>be me>interested in getting into magick>start doing the LBRP and Middle Pillar rituals every day for a few months>collect a bunch of occult books but don't do anything except the normal Golden Dawn neophyte daily stuff>ffw 2 months>wake up at 0900>start sitting up and get immediately startled by a voice behind my head>"I am [insert demon name here]. I'd like to make a deal.">freak the fuck out, the only thing I can say back is "I refuse to do evil!">don't know why it came out like that>"You won't be doing evil. Go to my page in the book. I'm sure you'll find my terms to be acceptable.">quickly turn around>nothing there>first thing I do is get my copy of the Goetia and look up the name>surely enough its one page, but what the demon does doesn't really interest me>start looking into Greek Orthodoxy after 10 years of being an agnostic atheist>never made a deal>never did any sort of demonic magick>that escalated quicklyThis was around a year ago at this point. I've spoken about it to my closest friends. I can't get the voice out of my head. It still gives me chills. Anyone have their own experiences to share?
>>42616561Yep. They're creeps. That's how I became a Christian as well. Played around with Goetia. Many such cases.
>>42616567What's weird is that what I was doing wasn't in anyway demonic. You are literally just calling upon Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel to protect you and then do some visualization exercises.What did you get up to?
>>42616561Can they not read minds? Then why call them gods. Can they not deduce a man's character after having all possible information on him? The demon should have known you are a scared cat and would turn to Christ immediately after realizing the metaphysical is real.
>>42616586Naive to assume Jewish angels are your allies
>>42616609Turning to Christ is one part of finding a path forward. There's a lot of Christian magic out there and still a lot in the way of finding the truth.
>>42616633Not really assuming that they are. I assumed that I'd like them to be.
>>42616586That is demonic. Angels aren't humans errand boys and aren't stupid enough to not understand that you're trying to summon and make deals with demons just because you're using them. >>42616657Stop doing this shit. Christian magic doesn't exist. It's all sorcery, which the Bible explicitly prohibits. I will reiterate, God and his angels aren't so stupid that they don't understand you're doing magic just because you put the word "Christian" in front of it.
>>42616712>It's all sorceryWitchcraft, sorcery, necromancy, warlockry, etc are way more specific historically than the way they are used in modern language. We have literal court records were the material used for charms was the deciding factor in the verdict.
>>42616561A demon gave you their name freely? That grants you power over them, why would they do that? I mean he'll in an exorcism the first goal is to learn the name of the demon.
aren't you supposed to do the LBRP for months before starting with the middle pillar to prevent this kinda stuff from happening
>>42616751>>42616758>>42616766I want to reply to you all in a way that is constructive and respectful.>That is demonic.I was raised Catholic. Asking for the intercession of Saints, angels, the dearly departed, and the virgin mother through prayer was required as a part of my day-to-day life. I used to do this until my entire family stopped being religious in my teens. I don't mean to give the wrong impression, as I have done my best to be reverent in my prayers and ritual practice.>Christian magic doesn't exist.When I say like "Christian Magic", I mean Christian Hermeticism / Kaballah. Everything that I've done has been to better understand God, creation, and my role within it. I've found most of the "occult" books seen are overwhelmingly Christian or Jewish. Christian rituals like the Roman Rite of Exorcism, the Divine Liturgy (w/ the Transubstantiation of the Eucharist) fit the criteria for what ceremonial magick is: connecting with God through words, movements, focus, senses (.e.g. incense, Gregorian chant).>It's all sorcery, which the Bible explicitly prohibits.The Bible explicitly condemns any practice that involves "foreign gods" and does not go through YHWH. There are several instances of acts of divination being permitted: such as the Urim and Thummim, casting lots, discerning dreams. Paul also makes references to being involved in some kind of "ascension" mysticism.Participating in Golden-Dawn style magick has only brought me closer to God; wanting to understand the scriptures, read the Church fathers, pray, attend Church, etc.>A demon gave you their name freely? That grants you power over them, why would they do that?I have no idea. This is not even the first time a demon has done this.>aren't you supposed to do the LBRP for months before starting with the middle pillar to prevent this kinda stuff from happeningIn the curriculum I was following, you do both rituals every day for 6 months before adding more and more stuff.
>>42616751It doesn't matter. God knows what you're trying to do.
>>42616586LBRP lights you up on the astral. That's how all the nasties can find you
>>42617010The Talmud and Kaballah are demonically inspired in service of Baal, they are not of the true God, the are Pharisees deceptions to recapture the bulk of the Isreali populace after thier betrayal of God to convince the sons of Abraham that they still were in communion with God, they aren't. Just a bunch of deceptions and Gnostic heresy, which is why miraculous events still happen within the greater Christendom, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Zeitoun, Fatima etc... even in the lesser protestants like the occurance at Hacksaw Ridge, but not amongst the Talmudics. Drawing from post-Torah Judiasm is no different from Gnosticism or outright Paganism.
>>42616561> mfw I just did the egyptian harmonic thing and I got harmonic truth vs this corrupted dog shit that was exporting through satan's helper moses/solomon and the retarded shasu apeps of the desert that have always worshipped satan.You picked the wrong doors retard. Good luck. I must say racism really did a number on europeans.. Even the China man has been doing this on the axis mundi for 1000s of years w/o the evil shit and can go deeper and higher than you hylics still trying to go through Satan's asshole. It's like you're cursed with hatred of truth + retardation mentally and spiritually and no space or time can fix that.. you've had 3000+ years collectively.. still chasing damnation through Satan's asshole .. 90% of the silly fucking posts on here are schizo hylic demon infested retards scratching around in the duat and their shitty subconscious.Sad at some point.
>>42616561are you not able to understand that was an imposter
>>42617666Torah is only 5 books. Writing off everything "post-Torah" is to write off the works of the Prophets, Psalms, Proverbs, etc.>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. - Matthew 5:16-18 (KJV)Religions evolve over time, kinda like the whole concept of "Satan" as an independent dualistic force of evil. The only one we should fear is God and God alone.Also funny how your post number got "666".
>>42617601Either it does or you're taking part in "sorcery" everytime you get a prescription from your doctor.
>>42617672This was never about whether the entity was legit or not. Just that it happened. I was never going to entertain it anyways.
>>42618046Making potions to make someone fall in love with you ≠ taking Advil. Jesus turns water into wine. God isn't an idiot.
>>42618058That being said, God would know the intentions for seeking him through the esoteric path. At the end of the day, I was banishing evil spirits by invoking his divine names.
>>42618083No, at the end of the day you were doing magic. You can pray for God to handle the situation on his own terms. You do not command his angels. How can you have witnessed first hand that this doesn't work, and not understand? God knows when you're doing something he told you not to. He doesn't want you to seek him through esoterica. God is the truth, and is meant to be readily available and understood by all. He is not occult.
>>42618058>pharmakeia is okay when I say soSpare us your hypocrisy
>>42618099Where do you draw the line for what is "occult"? What about Biblical Gematria and Numerology? Christology? Christian Mysticism?> But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? - Hebrews 1:13-14 (KJV)
>>42618139>I reject this nuance and substitute it with my rageOk man if you like>>42618141All of it is bunk. Angels go out to minister at the command of God, not your convenience.
>>42616561YOU LIKE EVERY HUMAN, ARE A RETARD….YOU KNOW NOTHING YET YOU TYPE A LOT OF SHIT!YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT LIFE OR DEATH AND YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DEMONS SO PLEASE STOP BEING RETARDED I TOLD YOU AND I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN THAT YOUR DEMONS ARE YOUR SINS THAT ARE YOUR EMOTIONS EVERY EMOTION IS A SIN AND A DEMON A PART OF YOU!I CAN SEE 10 WHEN THERE IS JUST 1 BECAUSE 1 COMES WITH EVERY OTHER DEMONAND WITH LIFE IS LIFE AND WHEN WE MOVE AND SEE HOW THE WORLD WORKS!I CAN SEE 10 AND I ALWAYS SEE 10 NOT 1 THIS IS THE ORDER OF LIFE AND DEATHYOD HEH VAV HEHYHVH
>>42618158>All of it is bunk.This I don't understand. I don't want to strawman your argument by picking apart your opposition to one of the things I explicitly listed. But what are your issues with those things? Wasn't Paul a mystic practicing mysticism?
>>42618187I am having a discussion with all of you so that I can learn. How else would I stop being retarded?
>>42618158>nuance only applies to the things I say You are a disgusting creature without even a shred of self awareness
>>42618201No. Paul was a Christian practicing Christianity. You were a sorcerer.>>42618222You are making up a position I never took but again you're just wrong. The bible doesn't prohibit medication. This is something you want to be true because you dislike Christianity.
>>42618201Strawman away, it's not like actually has a consistent position. This shit was a borderline hobby by and for the ordained ar the height of the medieval university system>>42618366>You are making up a position I never took It literally is your position, you demand nuance for one use of pharmakeia while hardlining about the term used in translation
>>42618420What? Are you saying that I'm unfairly describing medication as medicine and not abortion elixirs and vials of chicken blood? Where the duck is the nuance I'm missing? You're upset that Christians make a distinction between snake oil and wine?
>>42618366No, Paul was clearly involved in some form of Jewish mysticism. See 2 Corinthians. He meditated, he had visions, he reached ecstatic states.I don't know the technicalities of what constitutes a "sorcerer". I wore a robe, I wore a cross, I burned incense, I fasted, I meditated, I prayed, I spoke the names of God and drew stars in the air. Sounds more like some monk shit to me.The other anon you're replying to is picking on the Greek wording in the Septuagint for Exodus 22:18.
>>42616561Which one was it?
>>42618420Re: Strawman. Those specific fields of study I listed are all important to understanding the scriptures better, at least to me. For example, Jesus spoke in parables, intentionally used important numbers in Numerology (3, 7, 12, 72, etc.) to communicate spiritual truths to those "who have ears to hear". Studying the esoteric nature of Jesus helps us to better understand his sacrifice.My point is that I don't view Esotericism/Mysticism as evil because the intention is not evil. In Orthodoxy, salvation is attained through union with the divine. You have to seek out experiences for which you can connect with God.
>>42618484Meditation isn't mysticism. Monks meditate. I've had fucking visions, Christians have internal locutions all the time. You were trying to bind and control demons using God's angels. This is completely different and you are aware of this.
>>42618507No. 62.
>>42618544I didn't bind / control anything. Like I said before, I never did any demonic/goetic/solomonic magick. I am aware of the distinction.I had a random entity, appear at a random time (while I was waking up), and claim to be a certain demon with no intentional provocation.There was someone who posted something several hours back about "nasties" being alerted by doing the LBRP. This is the 4th time I've had someone offer that explanation.
>>42618544From what I've learned, meditation is the gateway to mysticism, .e.g. divine revelations. "Ask and it shall be given; seek and you shall find".
>>42618552That's a big nigger isn't it
>>42618606Tbh, I don't really know. I never really cared too much about their rank or office or legions.What I can tell you, is that when it spoke, it sounded like a heavily processed, goblin-like voice. Almost like its tongue was forked. I also forgot to mention that there was like a smoke in the room that I could see, but I didn't smell sulfur or anything.
>>42618587This isn't the goal. The goal is drawing near to God. If the experience is what you're after then you're doing it wrong.
>>42618776which god?
>>42618828The only one you hate
>>42618187Reptilian logic.
>>42618833but I hate all gods
>>42618848Pretending not to understand
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>>42616561Had you read the Goetia before this?
>>42616561why did you go out of your way to ask for demonic help if you didn't intend to participate? That's very gay on your part OP.
>>42618058Well look mother fucker if God would stop me from having high blood pressure and a fucked up digestive system I would stop taking pills, but until then stfu.
>>42620545I am saying the opposite you dumbass. You can take pills. Just don't try to drink an invisibility potion or stupid fake shit like that.
>>42619948>Had you read the Goetia before this?No, I hadn't. I bought the book at a local occult bookstore to be edgy but didn't really read it.>>42619953I keep telling everyone on this thread, I did not ask the demonic for help. I had no involvement in demonic magick. I never summoned any spirits.The point of Golden Dawn style magick is to make peace with your inner self.
>>42620860Why would I need a potion when the us has cloaking technology?
>>42618436>potions aren't potions if the result is positive>magic is always le bad regardless of intent or outcomeYou might actually be retarded.
>>42621206You can't do any magic for any reason, this is not negotiable. >>42621386Anon I wish I could beam into your brain the feeling of total indifference the text you type arouses within me
all entities in this place are just energy parasites(archons) larping brothe biblical god is the father of satan and father of demons in case you forgot
>>42616561I’m possessed. They talk to me. I’m in the same boat.
>>42623608What's that like?
