>>42622000
I had a lucid dream recently, I was gonna fly in the dream and realized it was a dream because there aint flying irl, so then I was excited screaming this is a dream, this is a dream, and i swear a bunch of people randomly appeared telling me it was NOT a dream, until I eventually got lost in the dream again. Actual agents of the matrix

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>>42622000
one question: can 'The One' you know like Neo or 'The Nobody' or whatever, can he astral project? or is that sort of thing off limits to him? asking for a friend

>>42622000
Yeah make a paste bin
I don't think this is the first general of its kind, if you check an /x/ archive for threads with similar subjects there are probably old OPs with other resources

>>42622000
Here’s a practical guide …

if you fall asleep in a chair while playing gamma wave binaural beats (with earphones of course) and then wake up part-way through and move to bed (without the binaural beats on)...you'll have trouble falling back asleep but you'll also get big astral projection symptoms

you might even separate

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Does anyone have knowledge on how to actually turn a Sleep Paralysis into a Lucid Dream? People give you the basic 'just think about things bro' but they fail to acknowledge the nigger in the woodpile: THE DEMON STANDING ON TOP OF YOU. How am I supposed to think or act calm when the amygdala is raping me in real time? And even if I do make it to the lucid world, wouldn't that demon just follow me there and rape me too? It sounds like a lose-lose situation!

>>42623553
Those anons are right, literally just ignore it. First you need to be brave and stop cowering to it before you can turn it lucid. It won't follow you and will be gone as soon as you turn away. It's only feeding into the fear that causes it to stick around and harass you. If you turn around to check if it's still there you already failed to ignore it.

>>42624526
I once thought this, but your amygdala is literally sending fear chemicals into your body. Your conscious may be rational and consider this to be a hallucination, but the chemicals that force you to artificially fear still exist. It doesn't scare me but at the same time it does.

Study what you perceive.
Examine what you are able to see in detail. Make effort to notice every detail.
If there appears to be a being of some sort examine it, examine whether it notices or reacts to you as you examine it.
If there is physical sensation study where you are and attempt to determine whether you are physically present or somehow out of body. If out of body determine where you are in relation to your body.

Scrutinize details especially those that you have the opportunity to examine when you are back to ordinary consciousness.
If you can become clearly oriented to where you are in relationship to your body this can be used to continue to remain fully conscious throughout the entire time you, your body, are sleeping.

There is much to discover.. enough to merit taking time to develop a mnemonic method of your own for the purpose of retaining long series of events that you are able to perceive in between setting your body to rest and returning to it to reenter it.
Once you are able to remain fully conscious through the entire time spent sleeping that is the condition that each series of events will begin and end with.

For me, when I first began, if I looked directly at my body I would immediately snap back into it fully awake.. but on one event returning abruptly from a Sioux family gathering of the family of a close friend.. I was suddenly stuck in the room my body and that of my cat were sleeping in.. and I was not able to reattach to the body.. just kept sliding off of it..
After several minutes of attempt I was just floating in the room off to the side of the bed as I began to wonder what next if I am permanently stuck outside of it?
Eventually some form of this wondering was distracting me enough to suddenly get back into it automatically.. without effort. It was a strong reminder that what you are doing with your consciousness is tangible and real.. even if common human technology is not examining this yet.

The government trained psychics use the current that runs between the head and toes.. take any common electrical tester and find that current.. and notice the polarity. When you are successful at getting out of body that current will have changed direction.

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>>42622000
Holy trips checked

I've been getting into pic related book lately,
very straight on, no bullshit start, most of the book is actually for after you already had first successes,
thus not sure if its the best if you're looking for more in depth literature on subject

that being said, it presented me with a interesting alternative method, that is, to separate right after waking up, as opposed to having to relax first before getting into phase

I'm not sure what it is but I still don't exactly know how to "separate", every time I try to I end up moving my body
mind you, I've had OBE experiences before, but still almost feels like out of my control, or non intentional

also for sure, having the neighboring house remodeling noise come up while I'm trying to go deep can't be helping.

>>42622000
>also I dont know if there is a formal policy for general subject thread creation
>>42622733
>there are probably old OPs with other resources
Sure and here you go,
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41754068/
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42085356/

I was one (the first link) who tried to create a OP for regular generals on the topic, been keeping the link to eventually to try to keep it going again
tho I think for the very nature of the topic, it should be natural that we have somewhat seasonal threads too

torrents should be fine, but let me know if you want some of the links reuped

>>42623553
>>42625069
>amygdala is literally sending fear chemicals into your body
I have do idea what you're on about, I only had a couple paralysis "demon" or fear in my whole life,
once I realized it was just sleep paralysis and keep calm, its easy as fuck to go dreaming or just go straight back to deep sleep

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While on the subject
supplements/deficiency of nutrients to consider?
habits to consider?

Personally I've noticed I tend to have more luck within some level of abstinence, like 1 to 3 weeks of nofap, ironically it will not help either if I start to get too horny
Seems like how much media, and what type of media you're consuming en mass to have great significance as well, we already know what you mass digest during your day can greatly affect what you dream on, this is just an extension of that

>>42628498
It's like a switch is flipped. Idk how to explain it but first I feel an artificial sensation of 'dread', then the fan stops turning, then a demon walks up to me. I'll keep trying to trick my fear chemicals to fuck off but that's the best I can do right now.

>>42628635
>>42628498
I once saw a shadow while waking up from a sleep paralysis, idk what you saw, but I personally prayed to god for help with the intent to fight it and some sort of beam of light/energy came out of me and the shadow evaporated, I know it sounds kinda dumb but that's how I dealt with it, I woke up immediately afterwards though.

Shit just make you kooky

>>42622000
Any tips for trying to do this stuff if I have sleep apnoa/ snoring? Lying on my back trying to super relax has a 50 - 50 chance I just wake myself up by my airways clogging up. I try to do this stuff on my side but then I can't use any tapes to help as the headphones fill gross if I'm on my wide. Do I have no choice but to buy one of those cpap thingies?

>>42622000
I would put The Phase by Michael Raduga as part of your “best literature” as it’s far more practical than some of the stuff you have put.
Robert Bruce uses techniques that you can pretty much get from earlier writers like Sylvan Muldoon (also a good choice) and he is extremely heavy in unsubstantiated theories about number of planes and stuff which is taken from Theosophy. It’s not really useful.

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>>42622000
Can you use sleep paralysis or astral projection or lucid dreaming to shift realities? If so, how?

I love lucid dreaming but the problem is that I'm the kind of person that wholly accepts it's reality even if it's absurd or stupid
So in my dreams I'm kinda the same and I never get the "Oh this is a dream!" eureka moment
Happened recently and was rad

OP Here, thank you everyone for your contribution, im relaxing for this 4th of July weekend right now but after that I'll be sure to formalize a pastebin, my only concern is that I really do want to find and aggregate legitimate sources for this stuff, cause I feel like there are some legit practices based off of my personal experience, like the mega I posted, which I trust as reliable based of the results I encountered utilizing it, anyways, catch yall on the astral/dream realm.

Also going to test digitally scanning some literature that i personally own about this stuff and trying to upload them to make my own mega link

MIND TREK by MacMoneagle
PSYCHIC WARRIOR by Morehouse

https://captain-of-my-ship.com/about-the-author/

>>42622000
I used to do this when I was a teen in like 2011.
considering doing it again but I'm kinda scared of it wrecking my brain but idk it might be ultimate relaxation. Never want to obe tho

>>42623553
I don't get a sleep paralysis demon. I just see black and am paralyzed. I'm awake but paralyzed. It's strange feeling that i fight sometimes. I'll shake out of it then go right back into it. Eventually you just let it happen and you'll enter a lucid dream state. The first time you experience a truly lucid dream is intense, at least it was for me. The best way i can describe it is that you're fully aware that you're dreaming and that you're asleep in your bed or wherever. The dream feels the most real a dream can feel. Like playing a VR sandbox game. It's not as real as real life, but it's the closest thing to it. You'll know when you first have one because it's amazing.

Bump, is anyone actually gonna give helpful inputs, so far aren't having the greatest of threads yet

>>42630520
Those almost completely about remote viewing. Not the same thing.
One of them even says that.

>>42636052
remote viewing is but one of the things you can do while phasing, hence same area as astral projecting

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>>42622000
>>42630453
In all honesty op, these generals die in like 3 to 5 days so this general should be combined with something that brings in the schizo's like the mall world thread. you could name it the MAD general
/MAD/ Mall world, Astral traveling, Dreaming

It's baffling that there's all those people in that Mall world thread and none of them have considered to go lucid or use the mall world to hop into other dimensions or any of the other things you can do in dreams.

instead they choose to talk about the shit filled toilets and the other bizarre garbage that happens in mall world. None of them realize it's just a location and that there are billions upon billions of other worlds you can go into.

Here's the audiobooks i shared last time, as well as the post i made about them if anybody is interested.
https://mega.nz/folder/GtIRQAAS#6RFgP-pe5Vkgn1BrIlqbbQ
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42541206/#q42562325

For anybody interested in this, Astral traveling is easier than lucid dreaming.
Lucid dreaming requires a lot of work and investment via Journaling

Astral Traveling isn't you popping out of your body, it's you Projecting your consciousness outside of your body.

Lucid dreaming is a misnomer. It relies heavily off of memory. It should be called lucid memory.

You can learn to astral travel within a few days. Lucid dreaming is a skill set and can take 2 to 5 years to master.

if you go into the mall world thread all those people are having issues because they don't bother to learn the basics of lucid dreaming which is grounding yourself and then experimenting with the dream world.

Those people are all "Experiencing" the mall world instead of "Experimenting" with it.
The dream world isn't for experience, it's meant for you to gain control and power. that way when you die you can stay conscious through death.

I don't suppose anyone will try this
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>>42639446
Here's a part of the Second batch of my Lucid dreaming Audiobooks.
https://mega.nz/folder/bspExZpY#i01bopQc4csl6Xd4GrJ0Fw

>Jennifer Dumpert - Liminal Dreaming
Jennifer teaches you how to go into a semi dream state. It's not lucid dreaming, but it's a stepping stone into it. This is the state that you go into when you go too Deep into Neville Goddards SATS. Think of it like Advanced Daydreaming.
Here's a vid so you can check her out before listening to the audiobook. I highly recommend this technique as a stepping stone into WILD (Wake-Initiated Lucid Dream)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIfsjQpIANk&t=24sjj

This asian bro explains her method better than she does.
https://youtu.be/z8kiPjEDxdE

>Robert Waggoner - Lucid Dreaming (This is his 1st book)
Robert is really cool, he cuts through the bullshit and tells you that lucid dreaming is all Belief based. You can start lucid dreaming tonight using his method since he views lucid dreaming as an advanced form of hypnosis rather than another mind state like dream yoga does.
You can check him out here, he does a live QA every month.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK4ibqq4xZE

>Robert Waggoner - Lucid Dreaming, Plain and Simple (this is book 2)
Turns out zoomer's are retards and he had to dumb his methodology down for them. This is an easier to understand version of his 1st book.

You'll learn to love Waggoner's method since it's belief based. If you're having an issue in your lucid dreams it's because you have a bad belief. change the Belief and you'll get rid of the problem. Sounds to good to be true, but it works. If you have a solid belief that you control your dreams than you will in fact start to control your dreams. It's that plain and simple

hope that helps
Good luck anon

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>>42635611
Fine, here's a step by step guide on my personal process for lucid dreaming.

>Set an alarm for 5 hours and go to sleep
>Get out of bed, get a drink of water and have a snack or something. The goal is to fully wake up
>Go back to bed after 20 minutes or so
>Find a comfy position because from here on out you're not allowed to move an inch.
>Clear your mind but keep your brain active by concentrating on some type of repetitive thought. What works for me is counting to 100 and back down to 0
It may take a few tries but this method will induce sleep paralysis. The first sign of sleep paralysis for most people are auditory hallucinations. Mine usually presents as a really loud and high pitched whistle but sometimes will be the incoherent mumbling of a crowd. After this the tingling starts. Your whole body will feel like TV static. Instructions continued
>Don't panic. Stay as calm as you possibly can and ignore the eldritch horrors on your walls
>Slowly attempt to move your hands and you'll quickly realize that you can't but you'll feel the presence of your hands seperate from your physical body. The static feeling will greatly intensify in your hands. I usually like to rub my hands together here as a form of grounding
>Now grip the edge of your bed as hard as you can and drag yourself out of your bed
If you made it this far, congrats. Go have fun in fantasy land or dive further into your own mind.

>>42638610
It is not.
Those books have people sitting down with pen and paper and a person called a monitor. They do not do it out of body.
You are a larper who does not know anything about remote viewing, astral projection, OOBE or “phasing”.
Read the actual books and sources and don’t make things up. We get enough larping on /x/.
>>42639446
>troll wants to kill the thread!
Yup.
>>42639768
This is good.

I’ve been trying the gateway tapes for sometime now and I’m stuck at achieving the ten state because every time I’m going to relax there’s a jump scare image that appears.
The strangest thing is that it’s not even images that I would find scary if I saw them while scrolling, yet my body has a reflex reaction of fear and that wakes me up out of the state.

I’ve also found I tend to get mild sleep paralysis the night after. In the sense that I will saw a figure or something but, I’m not paralyzed and my first physical reaction will be to cover or punch the thing. I feel like a caveman saying that but I’ve punched objects like that or shushed floating things with my hands like they were flies (or yelling at them to stfu)

>>42639937
Those books are relevant to the field of study. It's necessary to develop an understanding of the difference between your out of body consciousness and your physical body consciousness..
The out of body state is largely indifferent to the things that the body and self are aware of.. this is why they work in teams.. the person who is disassociated from their body is able to follow simple directives and motions but it requires a very different state of awareness to be out of body and to make evaluations and decisions. They use the electrical current passing between the forehead and between the toes as indicator; when the viewer is out of body that polarity reverses.

One person acting alone to fully get out of body view of a subject can be done but you have to be oriented to the context of the environment and the range of functions that the out of body consciousness is capable of interacting with.

The beings from the stars are extremely aware of the presence of conscious as opposed to the physical body that it inhabits. It can be disorienting to be fully conscious while they are engaging in activities that humans are affected by but barely conscious of. They do a lot of things that extend beyond the context of the physical body.

a book I recently read claimed that astral projections and lucid dreaming are the same, while out of body expierences are actually etheric body projections. and the best method to achieve that is though activating the energy body through pranayama, etc.

might explain why all my astral projections have been underwhelming so far and didnt feel like an OBE

>>42641920
>claimed that astral projections and lucid dreaming are the same
it's technically true cuz the astral plane is the collective human subconscious, i.e. where you go in sleep to have dreams/nightmares, the difference is the quality of consciousness you have between astral projection and merely lucid dreaming

>>42639768
>here's a step by step guide on my personal process for lucid dreaming
Ok, dunno whats the deal with me, just today attempted this
slept for around 6h, took a piss, drunk some water, WBTB
belly up position, relax, doesn't move at all, going deep,
I think I've must've stayed up to two hours like that, mind you it went by fairly fast, mostly I was imagining (or manifesting) some moments with my crush
and then lost of wondering, drifting and even engaging myself in deep thought
I could feel my body tingly and almost asleep, sometimes even floating, and vibrations even hitting at some points,
tho at no point I came to fully black out or reach paralysis at all, any time I would try to move, I would without effort (tho I'd stop before actually moving)

Finally I gave up a swtiched to the side, a brief snooze, about 20 minutes and weird dream with the afore mentioned crush

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>>42643142
You're letting your mind wander, don't do that. You dont want to think anything, the repetitive thought is simply to keep your brain active. Make up a completely nonsensical string of nonexistent words like "shum-too-lee" and pour all if your focus onto that. If you find your thoughts wandering to your crush or anything else, mentally slap yourself and turn your focus back to the word.
Also, don't focus on the tingling. The onset of sleep paralysis is incredibly obvious. It won't be a vauge, floaty feeling. It will be a sudden shift in your reality. To the uninitiated, it often feels like dying. Your mind enters fight or flight mode and starts projecting horrifying shit because you're scared, making a fear feedback loop. This is the source of most alien abduction stories you read about. It is at this point you have to fight every instinct in your body and stay calm. Once here, you may crawl out of your body.
A word of warning, many people understandably find sleep paralysis absolutely terrifying and the more you do this, the easier it is for you to enter SP. It can get to the point where you'll enter SP every single time you take a slightly out of schedule nap, whether you want to or not.

>>42641984
so you're saying we're astral projecting everytime we sleep/dream?
Everyone made it sound so hard

>>42643303
How much you are able to remember and how clearly you are able to perceive are factors that depend on you developing ability. This is what is hard. Everyone is already living an extention of their life in these subspace realms but they don't have conscious knowledge and understanding of their own existence in them.

You can learn to do and see much more than the common humans around you. Don't get too happy about anything that you think is somehow setting you ahead of the other humans.. there is always a humbling new step far beyond what you think you already know.
My suggestion was to study mnemonic devices and tactics for remembering long detailed strings of data.. you have large volumes of actives almost every time you sleep.

>>42643281
>To the uninitiated, it often feels like dying. Your mind enters fight or flight mode and starts projecting horrifying shit because you're scared, making a fear feedback loop.
>many people understandably find sleep paralysis absolutely terrifying and the more you do this, the easier it is for you to enter SP
See this is what I don't get, I only had like one or two terrifying sleep paralysis that I remember, and that was decades ago,
The last few ones I had (as rare as they are) weren't scary at all, and usually I can just snap out of it and move my body at will,
and that was even before I started getting into the Gateway tapes and shit, I really don't how I've came to be this way

Also worth noting I already had a few OOBEs, and what you described sound closer to it, like a sudden zap feeling, and not exactly terrifying but thrilling, as if my heart starts beating very fast

>You're letting your mind wander, don't do that. You dont want to think anything, the repetitive thought is simply to keep your brain active
That might be a big part of it, but to be honest, I was more interesting in manifesting the scene with my crush,
The way I see it too, these are all related stuff, all things that are achievable when you tap in that state of mind

>>42643303
essentially, but you'd never really call it an AP cuz the differences are too great
like watching a story done with shadow puppets when you're sedated, compared to living it on a star trek holodeck while you're coked out of your mind

>>42641675
>the beings from the stars
Ayy lmao now?
>>42641920
They are the same thing.

>>42639446
>>42639676
OP here again, thank you for these anon i appreciate them, will try to find the best way to put them into the pastebin, surprised the thread has gone on this long desu, to all the anons here who are skeptic dont knock it till you try it, your mind has more dimensions than you realize, and it does take work to tap into them, but trust me, it pays off. just be sure to record/document your findings in journals and then check the literature to make sure if you did it right

>>42644553
It's simply a matter of development of ability. You are already experiencing the effects of their technology that is preventing you from remembering. You are already in close intimate contact with the beings from the stars on a frequent and regular basis.

The key to memory of what you are doing during the night is in how you wake up. There is a moment in between your out of body state of consciousness and your ordinary daily, less conscious, awareness.

The imagery within your mind is of more than a single phase of intensity.. the comparison between your sleep phase imagery and your daily ordinary consciousness is like watching a movie in a dark theater that your eyes have adjusted to.. and then suddenly the light of a much brighter projection is put over the dim light and a much louder audio track is playing for the bright light movie.. even with both still running suddenly you are no longer able to see and hear the faint imagery of the dim projection.
This is the threshold of sleep. This is what you are achieving every time you calm yourself down to go to sleep. By calming down to go to sleep you are adjusting to the dim phase of imagery. It's not necessarily the reason for the need to sleep, there are chemical reasons for that, but this is the process happening every time you sleep.

You are fully conscious of only a small fraction of your own existence.. you are living in these extensions beyond the context of the physical material that you only access while you are sleeping.. but you don't have memory because of how you are waking up. You have to learn how to wake up into the threshold between the sleep phase and full physical material awakening and then stay in the zone between until you have found at least some part of your memory of what you were doing during the night or period of sleep. Once you find any memory you can begin to examine each scene looking into the edges of the beginning and ending of each event. It is continuous.

>>42645268
If you get really good at this you can remember everything.

Once you move a single muscle your entire nervous system adjusts to the bright high intensity of full physical awakening and then you suddenly can not access your memories from the dim imagery within your mind of the entire events during sleep.

Once you are able to remember everything you are in position to notice the beings from the stars when they visit. It is far more often than you realize. You simply don't remember.

They have technology that gives them the ability to cross the distance between stars and they have chosen not to disturb your conscious awareness. They are using technology to affect your mind, but it's still only technology, that is far more advanced than our own.

The world will be the same and yet will look entirely different though your own perspective once you have overcome this technology to take for yourself the ability to perceive despite the technology in use against you.

Most humans, even those who develop cognitive perception abilities, stop short of accessing their own experiences within the context of the technology of the beings from the stars. But it's really just a threshold that is decided largely by the appetite for knowledge of the individual.

Training yourself to be able to remain conscious during the entire time you sleep is a step towards overcoming the technology.

If you are capable, once you start with fully conscious interactions with the beings they will make it clear that they are physically present and present in several ways that are beyond the context of physical material as we are familiar with the concept. It's disorienting to be fully conscious without having knowledge and experience with the concept that you are perceiving an actual technology.

I'm getting back into lucid dreaming.
I've been unable to fall asleep during naps for over a decade, but maybe if I rebuild some WILD skills during the night I can fix it.

Browsing my book stash, I was reminded from Raduga about the intent trick of wanting to wake after every dream (after a WBTB), so you get many more chances to DEILD/WILD.
I managed to chain up to a dozen lucids per session back when I was good at it, all thanks to DEILD.

I've just started to awake at the right times, just need a little more work to remember to stay still and re-enter.

Wish I was a natural at this, but it will take me months to git gud again.
Dream Yoga was a well rounded practice,so I'll reuse that as a base.

>>42645270
Nope.
Aliens do not belong here you larping shit.

>>42639768
I've tried this method for a few weeks and it does work. Most of the time I feel fully separated from the physical body, I'm floating around the room trying to get myself upright on the floor but the moment I touch the floor I wake up or the static fades away. I've tried dragging myself out of bed but the tension ends up breaking the sleep paralysis. I did have 1 successful lucid experience after blacking out upon touching the floor then regained awareness after catching myself doing my morning routine but with most of my fingers missing.

Any tips on not waking up during the process or in the case of losing awareness, being able to consistently regain it a few moments later?

>>42645666
It's just a level of development.
You have had a technology applied to your inner subconscious concept that is the literal reason for your strong emotion in your response.
You are terrified within your subconscious of the consequences of your own mind suddenly having full recollection of your own experiences.

One of the most predictable responses is the strongly emotional negative attitude, not just a passive dismissal but a deeply charged negative emotion in rejection of this information.

The simple reality is that I am telling you like it is. Even I was similarly affected by this phenomenon until I was suddenly burdened by my own memories finally fully exposed to my conscious awareness.

You are in deep denial.. but not just casually.. the reason for the intense negative sentiment is your own deeply suppressed subconscious memory

One thing is certain; you have memory of the beings buried in your subconscious

>>42645666
It's comical how consistently the people who have suppressed memory use the concept of larp to hide behind.

The concept that anyone could do what they have available to themselves is deeply terrifying.. the memories are just barely beneath their conscious awareness.. waiting for them to have the intellectual courage to take these memories and view them directly before the fully conscious mind.

The idea that anyone could be sincerely relating their own actual experience is deeply threatening to the illusion of reality that they have been content with..

>>42645666
Notice that I am describing how to go about the process.. and the premise of this thread is a minimum requirement for begining the discovery that you have been in close contact with the beings from the early years of your own life.
Look at your own memories for the scenes and scenarios that you remember but never understood.. take another look at these memories.

I am not suggesting that you accept my own experiences as a replacement for your own memory. Belief is worthless either way.. if you have strong compulsive opinion without direct personal experience what exactly is going on to cause this?

It's not a subtle casual dismissal of the concept; it's a highly charged attack on the subject. This is not happening without a cause. If you are finding your efforts to look into your subconscious mind are met with a strong feeling urging you to quickly reject the notion that this is real..

Start wondering why..

It's a matter of appetite for knowledge.
Some of us are compelled towards knowledge no matter the consequence. Others just as deeply seek to reject it.

But it's not a larp no matter how deeply you wish for it to be.. your own memory holds the key

>>42643142
When you have images and ideas enter your mind consider the concept of attachment.. these images and impressions are entering your awareness due to your own attachment.
Notice these and let them go..
Continue the process.. notice and release..
Eventually ideas and images will enter your mind that is less easily identified and explained..
Consider again the concept of attachment. These images are due to some form of attachment..
Continue the process.

When you rest with the residue of deliberate focusing on your attachment you are setting the primer for your subconscious to follow up on..
You are literally setting up your target within your subconscious mind.. even if you are not able to comprehend what you see as a result.
There is much to discover about the mind.. it can deliver information that you are not prepared to digest.. and it can encrypt through symbolism what it knows you have difficulty with.
In native American heritage groups the concept of seeing a snake is typically considered to be the proximity of an enemy.. seen as if the enemy is a snake in the dream vision..

You can learn from shutting down the natural compulsion towards attachment

Or you can learn from indulging in the effects of directing your consciousness to focus on what you have attachment to.

Experience is the only real teacher

>>42645270
This sounds very interesting, how do you know you are conscious while sleeping and how do you go about getting to that state without getting bored? I've awoken from meditation to find myself snoring a few times but could only stay for 30 min at most before getting bored and returning to my meditation focus

>>42622614
if they have those powers, they would have to keep them hidden from the glowies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JavPI3Iw7LE&ra=m

>>42647489
>You can learn from shutting down the natural compulsion towards attachment
>Or you can learn from indulging in the effects of directing your consciousness to focus on what you have attachment to.
Very interesting anon, I guess in some form that attachment might be whats holding me back, I'd to follow up on that

>>42647559
nta but from what I understood, its not necessarily that you stay awake, but that you retain conscious while awaking
I've read something similar lately, its a method saying you should not move or do anything when you wake up and immediately look into yourself to see whats there
that being said, easier said than done, how to even realize you just woke up? but I guess it takes practice

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>>42646079
Ground yourself. It's very easy to get distracted and lose yourself to the experience, you have to actively keep yoir mind lucid the whole time. I find doing basic math in my head and examining my body for anomalies good for this.
Dont get discouraged from failure, this can take years to get down. Get into the habit of doing reality checks right after you fail and "wake up". When done properly, everything can look and feel extremely real and mundane, to the point where its all too easy to assume you're simlly awake and let yourself drift back to sleep. You experienced this with your hands by accident, this has most likely happened dozens of times and you never even realized it. This can help prevent or escape false awakening loops as well.

>>42625069
Super late reply, but I will share with you how I stopped having nightmares through lucid dreaming. When you are scared you will go into fight or flight mode. You have to stop choosing flight and instead fuck the sleep paralysis demon up. It might be hard at first because your body is paralyzed, but you can with enough willpower, leave your body and chase that little nuisance down. Get angry and pull yourself out. Rip it's arms off and beat it to a pulp with them.

Might not 100% work the first time, but if you do it enough you will start killing nightmares even when you aren't lucid. Eventually your brain will give up trying to scare you and you will never have a nightmare again. It will still be there from time to time, but it's presence will be more annoying then frightening. That's when it becomes trivial to ignore it.

You can use this same technique to get rid of other recurring dreams. The solution will probably not be violence for other dreams. Sometimes you have to forgive someone. Sometimes you have to man up and let go of something you clinge to. Give it a try.

>>42645524
Got four awakenings after the WBTB, still failed re-entry every time.

I guess I'm very rusty.

>>42647559
I grew up with much knowledge of military behaviors and tactics.. such as the idea that a good sniper candidate is a guy who can put his entire focus on whittling a stick.. single minded pursuit of the simple basic motion..

For me boredom is not a thing.
I am literally interested in everything and every waking moment is an opportunity to observe. There is detail in everything.

Take nothing for granted and nothing is boring ever again.

>>42649417
Could spend all day whittling on a stick.. simple concentrated focus on the moment with no other distraction was a common description of the potential good candidate.

>>42649008
I'm worse than rusty.. I deliberately shifted my consciousness away from the study of this capacity of conscious perception and deliberately focused on "the things of this world".
I deliberately quit extracting the full detail of my memory of what was going on during the sleep phase of consciousness. I had been remaining fully conscious during nearly the entire night on a regular basis for years.. and the things that I am reporting are from that time period when I was fully conscious during this. The beings from the stars had been deliberately putting their vehicles on display physically to reinforce the fact that they were not 'just' dream visions during the night. The other beings that I had been interacting with literally had a regional conflict of some kind and moved to another location.. with the cause of the conflict apparently being a significant technological division between entities at the level of their own existence..

They were not physical material beings but they were persistent and tangible material, apparently related to the stuff that gets called dark matter or dark energy.

I saw a lot during the time it was my primary focus.. but I didn't care about the other humans and their limitations.. I was simply operating far beyond those.

I can occasionally see parts of my experience during the night and I am in the unique position of knowing the rest of the scenes that are beyond my current conscious view.. because I used to literally work with the beings on the routine basis of their visits to attend to the human populations here on the surface of earth.
I saw that the humans are basically sleepwalking and unaware and the beings literally edit themselves out of the conscious awareness of imagery within the mind of the human subjects.
I sometimes still see scenes that I have understanding of the context of thanks to the time I had spent fully conscious..

But I shifted my focus to discover what exists behind the scenes in the world around us.

So i have lucid frequency mostly down

I struggle in mental clarity however, any idea's? probably trying to just be more aware day to day i believe

>>42652160
That is exactly it. You are establishing your own normal state of consciousness in your ordinary experience. The condition that is most familiar will tend to be the normal foundation for your perspective once out of body. You may notice your activities that are frequent and repetitive can show up in your visions. What you are familiar with you tend to frequent.. given a blank slate you return to what you know.

Even the minutiae of your inner perception is a part of this foundation. For example if you are doing a repetitive task that requires you to be visually attentive to detail then this is likely to be a feature of your cognitive imagery.. if you are engaged in a monotonous repetitive activity that is easier done without attention to detail then this is the likely way you will treat details in the cognitive vision.
If you are pushing yourself to heightened alertness on an ongoing basis this attitude is the likely process that you will exhibit in continuation once you find yourself awake while your body is asleep.

For me it was a challenge at first.. even once I was oriented and able to navigate under my own direction if I looked directly at the body I would immediately snap back into it fully alert and awake.
There were many experiences with aspects of this until I was able to leave it and return to it each night while the body was asleep.
I tried to pay attention to the substance of my out of body self.. in the context that I was frequenting it was an interesting blue hue immaterial substance with a dark base background tone.. but I was exploring a tangible persistent non physical context that is the stuff of an entire different thread.

>>42639768
I'm going to try this tomorrow.

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>>42652160
>I struggle in mental clarity however, any idea's?
that audiobook i shared "adventures beyond the body" by william buhlman explains what to do. When you go into the astral plane or into a lucid dream it functions like a holodeck from star trek. You give commands and you'll get results.

Buhlman's main commands are Clarity Now and Power Now. Clarity will make everything more life like and vivid. Power now will give you more energy to do stuff. He explains that you can have 3 to 5 hour astral journeys doing this. It'll work in lucid dreams as well. I can't get past an hour, but that's way too long for me anyways.

You can also command higher brain functions to kick in, you just ask for it. Like saying Logical thinking activate or whatever seems like a good command to you.

those other audiobooks by Waggoner will teach you that you need to go into the dream world with a game plan otherwise you'll get lost and drift off into a normal dream. This will also clear up any issues you might have with brain fog in dream time. Charlie morley also talks about dream plans as a solution for fixing a sluggish thinking in the dream world.

He also advises you to keep a journal. You can check him out on youtube and pirate his courses if you don't have the cash. I don't have any of his audiobooks since their purpose is to sell you on his online courses. Here's one of his youtube vids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk7QwsMRf4E

>>42653521
Oh i do keep a journal. In fact my DJ are honestly at times too detailed. I've been doing it for around 6-7 years now.

I do agree saying things outloud does tend to at least grease the wheels when you try to have stuff occur.

I guess one other question, does anyone else have problems with certain senses, usually my sense of taste isn't working (though i feel like that has been changing lately)

I will try the advice of saying things outloud more. I do seem to be getting down at least remembering certain things like trying to chain the lucid dreams by staying still when i wake

I struggle greatly with all this stuff. I find that if I intend to do something like OBE or Lucid Dream I can't fall asleep or get into any state. I just lie there for ages with nothing happening, my body doesn't even go to sleep either despite me ensuring I don't move. I could lie there for hours trying and I don't eve get into paralysis. But if I stop trying I just fall asleep instantly. If I try guided things usually I just finish the tap still awake.

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>>42625069
Oh Amygdala! Oh Amygdala! Have mercy on the poor bastard.

>>42653521
>>42652294
same anon as >>42652160

Does meditation help? and what type? Like what to do specifically?

>>42654011
It is helpful to know the concepts.. zazen.. munen muso.. etc
But it's really just a continuation of your ordinary state of consciousness. If you are able to walk into a room and absent mindedly turn on the light switch then you can move around in the dreamstate consciousness without even noticing the how and the why.. you are effectively in autopilot.. and will not be noticing things in wakeful consciousness nor in the out of body conditions that you may wake up to the reality of.

The biggest accomplishment is the discovery of the threshold between the liminal and subliminal and to be able to remain there deliberately while you extract the memories of what you have just left from. It is the boundary that you pass through as you re-enter your body.

Once you are able to stay clearly aware in this boundary you will need to develop memory methods such as mnemonic techniques to make the long series of details easier to remember. It doesn't have to be formalized method but you have a lot of details to keep track of.. if you are paying attention to them.

>>42654584
Simply staying alert and paying attention to details of your environment and situations on an ongoing basis will set your habits of behavior.. would not be out of line to do a check of some sort on a frequent basis until you find yourself doing it in sleep phase consciousness.. the spinning top in the movie inception was exactly this type of device. The people who were responsible for that movie and several others know much more than they can present to the public

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>MFW I have aphantasia and can't even make an energy conversion box

Seriously we need a aphantasia cure thread, how do I get my ability to see pictures in my head back? I used to be able to do it as a kid

>>42654777
If I can find time later I would be glad to get into a conversation with you about this subject.
Busy at the moment.
Can you go into detail describing what you are experiencing? In any sense of the meaning of the question.. the answer will probably have significant details that might suggest a path to solution

>>42654777
I don't think you need real vision for it to work, its more of the mentality of it.
You might benefit from skipping ahead a few chapters and looking at the NVC tapes, which are non verbal communication. They are the idea that you don't need to think literal things, instead the kind of feeling and energy behind things instead. So instead of literally imagining a box, just imagine all the unnecessary feelings you'd put into the box instead just being sucked way. You don't need to visualize it, just the feeling of them departing you.

>>42654794
I close my eyes, i get nothing
I say to myself, "show me a picture of an apple, I want a picture of an apple." Nothing
"How about a circle"
Nothing
"How about just a little dot"
Nothing

Also, i have no inner voice. Maybe I am just an NPC

>>42654891
Explain exactly what you mean when you say "say to yourself"

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>>42622000
I did one of the gateway VI sessions called "Non physical friends" and I ended up having a really interesting and exciting experience. Basically I was laying down with my headphones and blanket like a normally do. This was about an half hour or so after having woken up in the morning so i was still in a relaxed state mentally. But behind my closed eye what went from just darkness switched over to me standing in my room. I started to visualize myself laying down in my room and then it switched over to me being able to stand up and move around. Was this a full on OBE I just had?? I could move around my room and everything looked very realistic like it was IRL. I looked down at my bed and didn't see anything, i didn't see myself laying there. I was near my mirror but didnt look. Next time I do this i want to look at the mirror and see if i can see myself. People say that you should repeat your intent multiple times, so next time i will do this. That would be super trippy and im really curious to see what it is like. I imagine it will be like when i was on acid and looked in the mirror. Also during this experience, i found myself saying to myself to "just observe what's going on". Maybe subconsciously I knew not to try to analyze the experience too much or that would take me out of it, and that's what ended up happening. I read one time in a remote viewing book about being an observer rather than an analyzer and so it came back up to my conscious awareness.

Where is /ldg/?

>>42654951
>I started to visualize myself laying down in my room and then it switched over to me being able to stand up and move around. Was this a full on OBE I just had??
Very likely, personally I can feel a zap or a woosh, coming out of the body, but anyone's experience is different.
Not seeing yourself in bed I think is normal (I think I had it too sometime), as our perception of the environment can be very different from rl, looking into the mirror and trying to touch stuff is recommended though, as its a way to adapt and ground to that non-physical body.

>>42654891
muh visualization is almost exclusively an NPC ability
if you can't do it then you're probably not of them

>>42630068
The thing is, it really is hard to get used to having lucid dreams.
If you want to maximize your chances of having them, you have to:
1. Have a regular sleep routine: meaning you go to sleep at a similar time and for a long period, like 8 or 9 hours.
2. Keep a dream journal: to write down all your dreams so you can analyze them.
3. Train your mind: to remember to do a reality check whenever something recurring happens.
4. Use a technique like WBTB (Wake Back to Bed): You sleep for about 5 hours, wake up, write down what you were dreaming, and then imagine going back into that dream, but this time performing a reality check.
etc.

Then after gaining lucidity you need to stabilize the dream, rub your hands, spin around, touch the floor, touch anything and feel it.

>>42639768
I know you're telling the truth because I do pretty much the same thing. And I also feel like the transition from feeling what your external senses detect to "feeling" your senses inside the dream feels like static.
When I manage to transition consciously, I hear something like wind in my ears, and static like plugging and unplugging an analog cable on one of those old-school TVs.

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When I was younger, I used to have a lot of lucid dreams. But then I became a weed smoker, which suppresses REM sleep. A few weeks ago, though, I quit smoking, and now I’m taking this lucid dreaming thing super seriously.

Every day I write down my dreams, and I’ve already identified several dream signs and recurring themes. I also just bought a Xiaomi Smart Band 10 to connect it with the 'Sleep as Android' app. I hope this helps me have even more of them!

>>42654777
do magic eye exercises

>>42658973
how would that help, different anon but how or why?

>>42658990
I did cross-eyed meditation and it boosted vividness, rememberance and lucidity in dreams, it possibly also triggered a 'third eye' reaction that persists. When I don't sleep I can play out entire scenes and sounds up to hallucinatory levels.
'Magic eye' stereograms utilize the same technique. You learn to 'see' something 'hidden' merely through your eyes. They're also possibly more enjoyable for beginners than what I did.

>>42658500
Are you noticing anything significant with your dream recording? A recurring pattern? A relationship between the type of dreams you have and your mental state?

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When do you take dreams seriously or dismiss them ourtight? I had one about a month ago which has really stuck with me and it had details which mirrored infomation I was totally unaware of but found out to be relevant after the fact. Normally it would be pretty cool but I really really really don't like the context or subject matter if it was a significant dream to take seriously. I'm not really a paranormal or schizo guy but it has really done a number on me

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>>42622000
I recorded my dreams for about 3 weeks, but never found myself recognizing dream situations, or questioning if they were dreams.

Look in a mirror on a regular basis.
If you are dreaming this will usually seal the deal and cause it to be obvious to your conscious awareness that no way it's the ordinary reality.. suddenly it's clear that you are within a dream.

>>42659334
Yes, I've noticed a couple of recurring locations in my dreams, as well as a couple of dreamsigns. For example, a recurring dream is that I'm driving and I can't control the car very well. And another one is that my mouth is full of chewing gum, and no matter how hard I try to take it out, I can't, just slimy gum stuck to my teeth

Op Here once again, good discourse so far, nice links/resources, will get them all in the pastebin, gonna let this thread go for however long it has left before I make new one, as always critique my format of everything.

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I've managed to AP before through severe sleep deprivation (staying up until 5 am) so I could reach the fabled body asleep mind awake state, having my body involuntarily give out whether it likes it or not, then I imagined a wire-frame light body above me and transported an imagined light-ball of consciousness from my head up to the head of this light body, and I seamlessly woke up above my bed floating, it was as if I was normally awake.
I'd like an easier method that's also as reliable as this sleep deprivation one. The Monroe Tapes themselves are useful for getting into the mindset of AP, but they will never help you AP by themselves.

>>42658500
>the 'Sleep as Android' app
Care to tell what does the app do and how does it help?

>>42659487
I had a bunch of dreams, that felt more vivid and more marking (in times where I rarely remembered any dreams at all), that I now wonder if they where more of a experience in the astral
The thing is, its hard to distinguish when you're not used to either,
now I can tell dreams are rather mushy are they reflect your will whether conscious or not, "astral experiences" are way more real and impactful, how to interpret it is a whole different matter too

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On that topic, recently I've across of content correlating various related subjects, to my surprise, several which are from people of my country of origin (which is kinda of surprising as it feels like there's awakening wave that I never knew when I still lived there)
One particular lecturer seems to be following on Monroe's footsteps, actively conducting research on vibrational states, focusing on teaching about it
though weirdly I still haven't seen how to reliably achieve that vibrational state

At the same time began reading the book "Astral projection without tears", long time due since this was shared at least a few months back,
found particularly interesting that it mentions right off about astral blindness, something that I've experienced and seem to be rarely mentioned anywhere else

>>42662071
>The Monroe Tapes themselves are useful for getting into the mindset of AP, but they will never help you AP by themselves.
That seems to be my experience. I can lucid dream using a variation of going back to bed method but gateway doesn't work for me. I might try sleep deprivation.

>>42662071
Do you mean you just sat there without moving all the way until 5AM? I've maybe lasted an hour or so but after that I get frustrated. I don't get why its so easy for others.

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>>42662577
Just as a warner, don't let your eyes get dry, drink lots of water, avoid screens, keep anything you're reading at belly button level if standing in bed normally, and only begin the light body thing I've described after your body is literally giving out on you.
>>42662622
No. The point is getting your body so exhausted it gives out and goes to sleep whether your mind wants to or not, letting you AP without much effort as you don't have to focus on getting in the body asleep mind awake state by yourself, which is the hardest part. If you have any more questions or are confused, ask away.

>>42623553
>Does anyone have knowledge on how to actually turn a Sleep Paralysis into a Lucid Dream? People give you the basic 'just think about things bro' but they fail to acknowledge the nigger in the woodpile: THE DEMON STANDING ON TOP OF YOU. How am I supposed to think or act calm when the amygdala is raping me in real time?
I've seen a million sleep paralysis demons. Countless horrors of many types
>shadow people
>tons of greys
>xenomorphs
>a nazgul
>deccicated rotting looking angels flying around and screaming
>my own face floating inches away from me, that got angrier, angrier and angrier until it twisted far beyond human form and into the visage of a terrible demon
>invisible hands groping and grabbing me that I've succesfully willed into giving me a (very bad) handjob
>etc.
The answer is boring though. Just ignore them

>>42662071
>>42662639
>The point is getting your body so exhausted
I don't know how you did it, and this might be from person to person, but for me staying past my usual will only get me to sleep like a rock faster,
the key to have your body exhaust is true though, many people don't mention it, but having exercises can help, they tire the body but relax the mind, which is exactly the state we want
one recent lecturer I saw even mentions having good aerobic exercises is good get your energy "unstuck"

>>42662577
Its also worth noting, the Monroe books seem to contain a plethora of extra information that they never go deeply into the tapes (note that you should also read the booklets within the tapes)
tho I'll say in retrospect, I see how the tapes work like training wheels, the orientation, getting unstuck stuff, non verbal communication and compoint, particularly seem to be the breaking points

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>>42662696
>staying past my usual will only get me to sleep like a rock faster
This isn't about sleep, this is about avoiding sleep entirely as a barrier and just getting straight into AP. Your body will crave sleep, will cry for sleep, but you leverage this when it gets to the point that it literally doesn't care what your mind thinks anymore and just starts giving out while you're still awake. When in this state, you can easily AP with the light body method I've described.

>>42662720
>This isn't about sleep, this is about avoiding sleep
Yeah, and you seem to have missed my point, staying past till 5 am only gets my mind tired and craving rest, if I do that nowadays while just neeting doing crap on my own, I'll probably be dozing off at the spot

>>42662772
just stay awake bro

>>42662772
also water and eyedrops help with fatigue

I find myself in a state I'm not sure how to classify. I know its not Astral Projecting but it doesn't feel like a normal dream.

In this state my dreams are vivid. I have some control of my actions and how I react. I can't control the situation/environment/scene/scenario or whatever you call it but I can control my actions to a degree. The dreams are vivid enough to where I remember them when I wake up. This happens when I wake early and then return to bed. Am I lucid dreaming?

>>42662441
>Care to tell what does the app do and how does it help?

This app is supposed to detect when you're in REM sleep after a few hours. I set it up so that after 5 hours, meaning after passing the deep sleep cycles, the next time it detects I'm in REM, the band will start vibrating as a signal.

I'm just about to test it out tonight. It was a massive pain in the ass to get the damn Sleep as Android app to actually send the signals to the band. I had to delete the main app and install the app "Notify for xiaomi"

Now I just have to wait and see if it works.

>>42662487
what else do they say about it?

Before this thread I had a thread about astral projection troubleshooting makes me ponder if my thread inspired this little resurrection attempt of /apg/.

Honestly wanted to engage in a thread since long time but my vitality for focus is at the lowest of lows now so I apologize for not bumping the thread at least.

Nevertheless I've had a kinda half-assed mediation session right now (laying in bed but with beta waves) and I think I got to the next stage where my body despite fighting off sleep paralysis extremely (I know beta waves do not induce that but bear for the further info) I got to the state where my hands felt extremely uncomfortable as the sense of touch ceased for me and it felt like I was keeping my hands up in the air despite them resting.
Kinda shameful to still make it about myself but maybe some wizards here will give info for that that will also help others.

I also made some breathing techniques by myself if anyone interested in hearing them and perhaps evaluating.

How does one distinguish between a genuine entity and just a phantasm/image of my own mind in a lucid anyway

>>42657758
This is really cool. I want to try it again it was really fun... but it's like if you try really hard or expect it to happen then it doesn't work?

>>42665684
>but it's like if you try really hard or expect it to happen then it doesn't work?
not necessarily, because intention is big part of it, but it definitely be frustrating how infrequent it can be

>>42622000
Some time ago I tried using the technique in the books by Monroe, some time later I've also tried with the tapes, but I could never suceed in a big way, I could never really produce the other body and control it there for example.
Most often than not I would get to sleep and dream nothing.
Do you guys have some techniques or supplements (I kinda remember there being one) that you recommend?
Maybe there is a technique that doesn't require me to sleep, cause as far as I know 9/10 I will just sleep, plus as a wagie I can't really do strange things before going to sleep.

>>42658973
Dude I did hundreds of magic eye things in the 90s at the peak of their popularity. It never affected my inability to see pictures in my mind at all

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>>42663646
I mean about the research specifically?
Well in case the method they talk about is this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQV6EhpBxHk
mind you, technically this is just a method for moving your energy longitudinally through the body, activating chakras, healing, all that shit, but more importantly, achieving the Vibrational State from which we can OOBE
the problem is that in her videos she rarely goes into the actual method, her english accent is quite bad too, but there is fairly length lecture where they go into a lot of detail on it (but in Portuguese)

pic related is but a screen from this lecture, where they did research on people doing the method and reaching the Vibrational State,
I think that's a MRI(?), notably the very strong points lighting up, even outside the physical body

>>42667349
Not meaning to give credit to anon who completely missed the previous point, but >>42662821
>just stay awake bro
The point is not to go to sleep at all,
if by that you mean doing *at the time* you would go to sleep normally, then that's why most people (me including) prefer doing it after a full night of sleep, which we call WBTB (wake back to bed)
otherwise, it is quite normal to fall asleep to these exercises at first, the booklet specifically mentions that you should keep doing even if you fall asleep, that subconsciously you can still get used to the exercises,
and with time you learn how to maintain your conscious awake for longer, and/or which times are best for you to practice, being both relaxed but awake, where it fits best in your routine

>>42667680
Valid point.. in my own experience my first sudden shock of experience was when a native American heritage guy had attacked me.. it seemed so real that I didn't notice I was still sleeping.. he was trying to hurt me but only superficially.. he was a late teen/early 20s young guy who was jealous over a girl. He was basically just a minor part in her entourage of groupie friends while she had taken notice of me more as a peer. I didn't expect anything of her or them.. just made the acquaintance and went on my way. Sleeping in my own home I woke up with him on my back trying to harm me but ineffectual and eventually he gave up and tried to run away.. so I was running after him as quickly as I could turn around and get up.. high speed I didn't notice anything off until I got around the corner he had just run around to head towards my front door.. instead of going through the door he had gone into the ground.. there was even a spot lit up on the ground exactly with the colors it would be if it were metal that had been heated to white or even blue hot and then allowed to cool ..it went quickly through several colors as if it were cooling down rapidly.. and then fading back to normal colors of the flooring material. It suddenly dawned on me that he had not been physically present and had gone through the floor into the ground even though I had not noticed that I was not physically awake yet.. so my immediate reaction was to look back into the room where my body sleeping.. and there it was. Immediately when I had looked at my body I snapped back into it suddenly fully conscious and physically awake. I had just seamlessly gone from sleep state consciousness to full wakefulness without a blink or stutter of any kind..
It was my first fully conscious experience with the out of body presence of the native American heritage groups.

>>42668085
>in my own experience my first sudden shock of experience was when a native American heritage guy had attacked me..
Really cool story, most likely the shock that made you aware of the event, I wonder if what the guy did was intentional, or if that's something that's passed between those native cultures

>so my immediate reaction was to look back into the room where my body sleeping.. and there it was. Immediately when I had looked at my body I snapped back into it
I've also read that is a sort of newbie trap, either people can't see their own bodies or seeing it gives a sort of shock that brings you back, on the same book it says that looking into a mirror or touching things is a better way to acclimatize your self first

>>42667680
So instead of trying the various techniques at night I should do them in the morning after I'm well rested?
But from what I remember most of the time the technique would say "now go to sleep and do this" or "lay down and when you are about to sleep do this" etc

Which binaural beats frequency is the best to put one in a state optimal for an astral projection. Last hemi sync i listened to it was a low and slower one iirc. Does anyone also have any youtube recs for a binaural beats video?

>>42666370
You it is kinda frustrating but they say it is an art to master and so it takes time and dedication to get good at. Wagmi

>>42668651
Who are they?
When did they say that?
Why are we all going to make it?

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How do I make my experience to be real and vivid as in this music video? Is it necessary to take some drug?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6vXFcbwQJs

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>>42654011
>Does meditation help? and what type? Like what to do specifically?
The answer is not really. Astral travel is technique based. Thats why i tell people to focus on raduga method to learn the mirror technique as well as how to roll out of your body if it fails. Also why i tell people to listen to that william buhlman cd i shared that teaches the "target technique". Both these guys tell you to project yourself out of your body rather than hop out of it like Monroe does.

The secret is in knowing that you're not really in your body. you're a non local entity.

if you need to do some form of meditation, i shared the cd liminal dreaming by jennifer Dumpert. It'll teach you how to go into hypnogagia. the state between sleeping and dreaming. You can also practice Neville goddards SATS (state akin to sleep) which is one step before hypnogagia.

You can also do SSILD (Senses Initiated Lucid Dream) multiple times a day instead of meditation. It's self hypnosis.
Once you start slipping off into unconsciousness you do that target technique. if that fails you'll slip off either into a lucid dream or sometimes astral travel, while you're coming out of hypnosis you'll get a shot at doing raduga methods mirror technique and rolling out of body techniques.

Using raduga method, William buhlmans target technique and SSILD. You can get 2-8 times per day to either astral travel or lucid dream.
SSILD is fucking amazing once you get it down.

I did another hemi sync session and this time i could feel my body start to tingle, it felt really good and sort of like arousing idk how else to describe it, but i think i was focusing too much on these sensations and then i sort of got taken out of it and they went away. But when i started to affirm to myself that my vibration was increasing it started to which was interesting.

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>>42668774
>A brazillian music video about AP
what the fuck synchronicity is that, again how did I never notice this shit before

>experience to be real and vivid
Well obviously its a clip meant with some artistic liberties, but its quite obvious the references it makes to real experiences you could have
>drug
no, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you didn't have any experience as well

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>>42671900
No thanks.

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>>42625159
So last night I had my 3rd out of body/astral experience of my life. The first two were in a hotel room (those beds are just so comfy), I was napping and hit that in-between awake state, and decided to relax even harder without waking my relaxed brain up too much with conscious effort. It was as difficult as surfing a wave, very balancey kind of intention.

I eventually was able to get my entire body tingling with energy so hard that I felt like I was hooked up to a car battery, and actually feared that I would give myself a stroke or seizure. I backed off several times that day, but eventually mustered the courage to get lifted out and "stand up" in bed and peek down at my body. It blew my mind, because I had read a lot about astral travel before this, but this was way more "physical" and visceral than what I thought it would be like. After I traveled, my whole body felt like it was glowing and tingling for a good 20 mins afterwards, and it was a huge mood booster.

Second time I did the same thing, only I floated up to the hotel ceiling with my eyes closed and bumped off the ceiling, making contact with my nose and wrist, which felt cold upon contact with the ceiling like I had bumped into ice. Wasn't able to "open my eyes" though without actually opening my eyes and snapping back.

This 3rd time last night, I was able to get into the state very quickly, as my body now knows and trusts what it feels like. The tingling and electrical feeling felt more isolated to the groups of muscles surrounding my spine, and it took much less energy to make this weird inhaling/gulping move combined with a sideways roll to completely leave my body and roll out of my 2nd story window. From there, I actually could see with a weird dark vision. It was night time. It reminded me very much of The Lord of the Rings when Frodo puts on the ring and sees the world from the invisible realm. Very accurate feel. Was able to bounce around my back yard and then zip back.

>>42625159
>>42672492
The reason I replied to (you) with that is because I had the same reflection about the experience. I felt like in order to get more detail processing in that high-energy state, you need to develop a habit of intentional noticing and attention to detail. It's hard to nail down anything in that state, everything is painted in broad strokes like a Monet painting. It's also hard to simply relax the thoughts and focus on what you want to achieve, since your whole mind and body has this excited, distracted puppy energy.

>>42667360
The theory was that since the poster claimed to have had the ability in the past, the mere act of utilizing the same technique that boosted my visualization to 'remote viewing', would trigger some sort of resurgence.

>>42672492
Never happened

>>42672668
Okay bud

>>42639768
I'll try it this night. What to do these 20 minutes? Can you use your phone? Can you switch on the light to read a book?

>>42628453
Idk why everyone pushes this method, I mean in theory it should work waking up from sleep but in theory and practice (for me) it really does not work. The brain floods you with adrenaline when you wake up in order to kick start you. I don't feel relaxed, or I feel a sort of relaxation where my mind simply won't drift into liminal spaces. Either awake, or asleep. I personally find that afternoon naps are closest to what I need though

I'm gonna try an experiment tonight and see if this does anything. A completely dark bathroom, should be pretty absent of any sound too, might try earplugs or a stable sound like white noise another time, but I'm trying to reduce the distraction of adjusting them in my ears. First I'm going to stay awake, and when I get sleepy I'll close my eyes and doze off on the mattress. I'll set an alarm at 9 hours, kind of scared of leaving the phone outside of the room, but should do it so it does not emit light.

>>42673759
I don't know what I'm expecting, but I've tried it before for half an hour and I know it will be interesting.

>>42673759
One thing I thought about is forcing myself awake at the middle of the night with an alarm. But I think I will just get extremely paranoid.

I had a guy with a skull face hand me a skull. What does that mean?

>>42673862
>offered head
Blowjobs in your future

>>42674479
Oh would you get your mind out of the gutter?? That's sexually degenerate.

>>42622000
I get dreams that predict the future often (a certain symbol denotes a certain happening, I've mapped them out over the years.
But I have never, even after years of trying, managed to have an astral projection or a lucid dream no matter how many methods I tried.
Is this a tradeoff or something?

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>>42672492
>From there, I actually could see with a weird dark vision. It was night time. It reminded me very much of The Lord of the Rings when Frodo puts on the ring and sees the world from the invisible realm.
I can tell that, if felt exactly like one time I did too, except it was like I really couldn't see barely at all, but somehow I could feel the environment, I went out of my room's window, which at the time was in the 5th floor, felt a bit lost and blind and bounced right back.
Its whats mentioned on the book I've posted before here >>42662487

>>42673718
I agree with the nap thing, its also often said as prime time to attempt OOBEs, though Idk why, lately its been hard for me to attempt, the very few rest days I have, I end up being way too active on those times where I would take a nap.
The fore mentioned book also describes waking up as a possible point of exit, a sweet spot if you will.
>The brain floods you with adrenaline when you wake up in order to kick start you. I don't feel relaxed
I used to think that as well, now I kinda understand, I think we just don't normally remember the edge state when waking up, we're just drifting until the mind finally realizes "oh its fucking time" and kicks us out it.
The point is getting lucidity before that happens, which again, takes practice and much like lucidity in all those similar states.

>>42622000
Blessed op digits
Been fucking forever since we had a regular general on this

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>>42675779
Speaking of that book btw, yesterday I finally ended up reading it all, quite a quick read as well, nothing too hard either.
but the main point it brought that I didn't think of before is pic related, the fact that doing less may be more
Makes sense and honestly I don't think people that people can't do it otherwise, maybe its just that expectancy comes different to people.
Particularly all my experiences really did happen when I least expected them to.

Book name is "Astral Projection Without Tears" btw

>>42672492
>brain & spinal cord and the sperm cell
Its just me drawing parallels here? >>42625862
Its becoming more and more apparent to me, that all these sorts of events (and I mean, clarity/lucidity be it AP/LOA/LD), are correlated, on how much gooning you've done lately, that is, gooning leaves in you a sort numbed state, that much is obvious, the thing is that state making it hard for you?
Anyone else begun to take that as factor?

>>42669450
I just meant in general for like general mental lucidity/mental clarity

Im trying to be more aware in my day to day at this time

I can already get lucid, just need more mental clarity among just being able to get them more at will.

>>42676721
Sleep deprivation.. forces you to force yourself to stay aware. It's the exact same thing as when you are aware out of body.. especially at the far reaches of your ability to stay awake.
Helps if you are actually doing something that matters too.. and not just aimlessly propping yourself up to do nothing.
You have natural attachments to the people around you. You might be seeing them when out of body.. it's a big help to get the experience with two people who remember the same events in dream

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When I dream I cant twll that Im dreaming. Sometimes I dream and I remeber waking up from other dreams. Will learninf Lucid dreaming help stop this?

>>42676941
Learn to see clearly. Learn to focus on the details of a single object while staying clearly oriented to the environment and situation around you. Learn to look at your own presence.. your hands.. your torso.. how you contact with the ground.. your reflection.. pay attention to the details when you are in contact with things and other beings

If you are keeping continuous awareness you can see how the various scenes are joined together and see that you are moving around from place to place often in the company of other beings.
Just learn from what you are seeing and expand your continuously alert awareness to see the full scenes. If you are able to stay alert you can learn more than the other humans are capable of perceiving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9kVN5ke7s
Watching this right now, I wonder does it resonate with anyone else?
Probably not that much related, but couldn't think of a better thread to share it with

>>42675769
>I have never, even after years of trying, managed to have an astral projection or a lucid dream
That is because you tell yourself things like that. You have to repeatedly affirm and reprogram your mind that you CAN, and then when you eventually do you will know that this is something you can do. Which everyone can. You just have to believe and keep trying. Read the guides everyday.

There are few tricks that helps with lucid dreaming
1. Morning naps - they could help achieve lucidity
http://www.lucidity.com/NL63.RU.Naps.html
2. Programming dream via external stimuli - you coud use external stimuli to influence yours dreams
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320355030_Incorporation_of_External_Stimuli_into_Dream_Content
3. Hebb theory - Neurons that fire together wires together. That's mean if you are on the walk and you listening song, your brain make connection between those two, more times you do it, stronger is connection and then when you are listening this song in the other occasion on hear it in Yours dream brain could "recall" this memory

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I will actually disagree with a few posts in this thread. In my experience, astral projection and out OBE are different things. I've had both. I've experienced regular dreams, lucid dreams, astral projection, and OBE. The difference between OBE and AP is that an OBE is very intimately out of your body. I mean a separation, like you can see yourself and move very far away(I've been in space while my body was still on earth). An AP is more like your awareness being smushed up against a crystal ball or a screen and it's as if a "camera" is flying around as your perception (think of lakitu in sm64). But an AP is still localized in your body, if that makes sense. But you are still recieving information from the viewer location such as visual, temperature, sound, etc.

Also, every AP I've had has been like a normal human's visual perception, as in out of the front of your face, whereas an OBE is always a 360 degree awareness. As in, during an OBE, I can see in every direction at once, again because it's superate from your body.

If anyone is wanting to experience these states, I can upload the isochronic tones that I use. If you use them while doing semen retention(I know SR gets a lot of flak here, but I believe it helps you overcome the fear of having an OBE because the first frew times you do it are terrifying).
Isochronic are more powerful than the other kinds of beats, way more than the gateway tapes as well. I'll put them on cat box and give detailed instructions if someone is interested.

>>42678540
thank you

>>42623553
I didn't have the supernatural sleep paralysis. Instead of a demon, there was a shadowy figure with a rifle pointing at me. This looks 100% real. The barrel is inches away from my sternum and all I can do is look at it. Just try to imagine how completely terrifying that is.

I've been waiting for a thread like this to talk about my recent astral experiences. I tried talking to people on reddit. They accused me of different negative things or told me I was attracting bad karma.

I'll begin. I used The Gateway Tapes about a year ago. A female Pleiadian wearing something like white samurai armor appears in my room. I am extremely scared, but force myself to grab her foot. It mushes like its the consistency of toothpaste. She says, "Hmph!" like she's annoyed and disappears. Later that week, I see a purple blob on the ground while I am 100% awake. I wasn't like, "oh wow what's this?" I was very scared. Just complete terror. I didn't start at the beginning. I listened to "non-physical friends" first because it sounded cool. Didn't use them again for a year.

Saw some hippie life-improvement guy hyping them on YouTube and figured I would give them a second try. I started doing them from the beginning, but would always fall asleep at the beginning and wake up when Monroe is counting to bring you out of trance at the end. I would be having intense muscle spasms in my legs when I came out of this.

Finally, I was able to listen to the tapes all the way through and hear the narration without falling asleep. Nothing too weird, just intense guided meditations and I would see colorful rings or blotchy purple and green phosphene-type visuals. It was fun, so I set them up on my phone so I could listen for hours at a time. Sometimes I would listen for as long as 6 hours. This is when the really wild stuff began.

I started astral travelling on the regular and I'm always looking at everything from a 1st person point of view. I thought OBE was just floating up to the top of your bedroom and looking down at your body. It was much more intense than that for me. From a first person point of view, I am laying in a casket being lowered down into the earth. I am looking up and I can see two guys who are doing this. continued...

>>42680465
My POV shifts to being outside the grave watching these men go through the motions of burying my body. This was my first real OBE. I don't like to talk about this because its very disturbing. Many other travels happened. I had a friend who died in a car accident 15 years ago. She was far away when this happened. In a travel I saw her dying, gasping for air, pinned under a car. It's like time travelling to see this. I start thinking the past, present, and future are all happening at the same time.

Another time I projected into a dark space. It wasn't like outer space, because there was almost nothing in it, but there was some light from far, far away. This light was tons of glowing "soul bubbles". Little bubbles of human consciousness bubbling up and making this brighter mass. I am floating around in this dark area and I am not alone. There is what I can only describe as something like a large platform floating around in the darkness. At the front there is a female figure, toes pointed down, arms outstretched, hovering and rapidly changing colors. Behind her on the platform is a large pentagram. I think I was watching another traveller's astral body.

A time after that, I begin to see my past lives. The first past life I see, I am some kind of a female occultist and I am either the leader of a coven or some kind of small cult. We are totally decked out in black, in a black room, almost no light and eating animal organs. Pretty weird. The next image I have of myself is running down the sidewalk, looking back, I'm scared, there is a car following closely and the driver shoots me and the image ends abruptly.

The other past life I saw, was me as a soldier in WW2. I have been shot in the abdomen and I'm laying on my stomach bleeding out. I am in a city that has been totally destroyed. Almost nothing is left standing intact. The remains of some of the structures are on fire. There are no people or soldiers around. I have been left for dead. continued...

>>42679828
>If you use them while doing semen retention(I know SR gets a lot of flak here
>that pic obvious reference with christ oil stuff
Not really I just asked recently about it too >>42675871
But to me it seems to be more correlated clarity, as in I've become numb to these experiences, and periods of SR help me see it better.

>Isochronic are more powerful than the other kinds of beats, way more than the gateway tapes as well. I'll put them on cat box and give detailed instructions if someone is interested.
How so? I'd be interested to try at least, though if I understand it right, they are just meant to be the same thing without needing the use of headphones

>>42680648
In the far distance I can hear a baby crying. I am seeing all these images of myself from a third person perspective. I am never in the body of the woman or the soldier. It is third person, but I know they are me.

A few nights later, I had some very wild, intense dreams. In one, I was the bf of a female billionaire and we went around and had fun together. Sounds great, but at the same time the dream seemed very intense. Much more intense than usual. The next night I have another intense dream where I am a badass and everyone is afraid of me but I have a sensitive side and only one woman, a nerdy secretary, truly understands me. She gives me a bar of chocolate the size of a brick and I eat it. The next night I use the tapes, see the blotchy moving colors and roll over to go to sleep. When I roll over, BAM! I am suddenly in a small bedroom. There is a woman standing there. She is short and pretty ugly. She looks surprised and also excited. She starts communicating with me telepathically. She shows me the layout of the house we are in. It is a ranch-style house and there is a male relative of hers watching TV. She also shows me an image of an old photograph of herself. She is wearing heavy makeup, has a wig on, and is sitting in a pose that shows off her best side and she is smiling with her mouth closed. She actually doesn't look that bad in the photo. She smiles at me with her mouth open and her teeth appeared to have been badly rotten and then the cavities filled in by a lousy dentist. She points at her mouth and says in a kind voice, "I am Sweet Bones." I say something like yeah, yeah, it's ok meaning I am not scared of her appearance. She is pleased by this. I hear a male voice outside the room say, "Are you tricking boys into coming into your room again?" This is in Spanish, but I understand it, no problem. I look down and see she has some bandaged deformed hand that looks more like an animal claw. continued...

>>42680821
She starts puppeting me and making me do what she wants. She lays down on the bed which is a very small single bed. The window has no curtains and the moon is shining directly on the pillow area. I thought it would be vey hard to sleep with the moon shining directly on your face. Anyways, she lays down and I take her clothes off and begin massaging her breasts stomach, and legs. I see her pubes, but I don't touch her there. Against my will, I am saying sweet things to her and telling her I love her. I wake up abruptly, and I am crying and screaming, "I love you Sweet Bones!". People have told me this is a demon, this is a reflection of my bad karma, other things, but I think she is a real person, who is a powerful magic user. I just call her a witch, because she is close to the classic stereotype of a witch. A couple of nights later, this person appeared to me in a manicured English garden with two Air France tickets to Thailand. We are on the plane and I am cuddling and telling her I love her against my will. If I see her again, I will ask her to teach me her magic.

These experiences combined totally cemented my belief in what people call the supernatural. This shattered my entire belief system. Maybe this can all be explained by science at some point or is already well understood by some people. I still really don't know what to make of all this, but it is much more than a dream.

>>42622000
What does it mean If I recognize that I am in a dream while I am in a dream? I remember in Ophiel’s “The Art And Practice Of Astral Projection” he said that being aware you’re in a dream can lead you to conscious Astral travel.

I had a wild dream last night where I realized that I was dreaming half way through. I tried to change my form (Make my penis bigger), Create portals and all sorts of other crazy stuff.

Later on I was getting chased by some kind of demons or monsters and was parachuting down some kind of Missile silo or something with some girl on my back trying to rescue her from them. Eventually we made it down safe and she thanked me and unloaded a bunch of things really fast. She basically told me “Don’t Give up” I think she gave me instructions on how we could meet IRL? Something about talking to my uncle? I woke up right after like: “WHAT THE FUCK!?”

I don’t really want to try to AP during my sleeping hours and fuck up my day by not getting rest…. But does this mean I am not far off from being able to AP? Or just a weird ass dream?

>>42680751
There are 3 main types. Moneural, binaural, and isochronic. Mon isn't really worth much, binaural is the one that's used in the gateway tapes as far as I can tell, and isos can be used with speakers, but work much better with headphones. I suggest wired headphones as well since they will have perfectly synced up L and R. I'll upload the files I use if you want to check them out. Hold on.

>>42681007
I think it's best if you interpret the dream yourself since it's your life. We wouldn't know what that means for you.

If I had that dream I would probably attack her or directly reject her. Maybe you need to take control of yourself and find the strength to say no. It's a lesson to not let people control you and use you. Well that's how I would see it if I had that dream.

I wouldn't get too invested in it though. Definitely don't start thinking she is real. Face her in the dream and solve the problem only you know you have.

>>42682032
Catbox seems to be down for me, I'll try uploading tomorrow

>>42668645
From browsing the archives this one works best for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlHxwuzEcmo

But you can make your own like I am doing with audacity:
>https://www.344audio.com/post/article-how-to-make-binaural-beats
>https://www.instructables.com/Making-Binaural-Beats-in-Audacity/

It's somewhat unrecommend or so I am exploring but it works for me so I love combining them with music of my choosing.
One relaxing soundtrack I just love combining beats for relaxing meditation is:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dip4alT63U

But also what helped me a lot was Beta waves with Ratchet & Clank soundtrack:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zttt_rv87no

Even if you're not a vidya guy I really recommend just trying this music out, though when combining in audacity be sure the beat is clearly seperate and pronounced and music is just an addon and I guess focus anchor point.

I've managed to horizontally float out of my body several times but I literally float up to the ceiling, smack into it and wake up.

I've gotten to the point where I can get to a standing position but I just float into the wall instead. It's like being shoved into zero gravity with no way to stop. I can't get out of my room. Any tips on how to gain more control?

>>42658500
Your story really resonates with me. I also quit weed after one incredibly vivid dream, something I never thought I’d be willing to do. Now I’m taking this seriously too, slowly recovering my dreams and trying to go deeper. It feels like there’s something waiting for us in that world, something worth finding.

>>42682032
>>42682162
https://wormhole.app/
I appreciate anon you can try the above site

>>42682372
Cant you envision yourself going out the window before you hit the ceiling?

>>42682472
I'm also surprised that I decided to quit weed, I thought it would be a part of my life forever. Even though I am suffering a bit, I feel a huge void

---

Setting up the Xiaomi Smart Band 10 was a real headache I had to download another app just to connect it with the Sleep as Android app.

But at least I’ve been able to track my sleep cycles.

So, I’m using the Wake Back to Bed technique
I set a timer for 4 hours and 45 minutes right before going to sleep.

Then I go back to bed and have several dreams
I’ve been remembering them almost every day.
I think I’m close to having a lucid dream.

holy FUCK I am absolutely Gobsmacked at how long this thread has gone on, OP here im legitimately impressed with all the tips and tricks yall have suggested, im still procrastinating on the pastebin but i got a rough draft so far, here:

https://pastebin.com/v8dBCLhN

i can take critique tell me if every link is in working order and all that and if you also think the sources i posted are legit, im real particular about finding legitimate resources for this kind of stuff cause im convinced theres some real hard evidence/science behind this stuff. as always catch yall in the astral plane.

>>42684772
If you can remember them you should record them for analysis. I need to be better at this too.

>>42684948
>>42658500

what's a method that isn't "The Phase" or "WBTB"? I wanna AP tonight. My problem is that if I try to be aware *passively*, I can't fall asleep, and if I try to fall asleep, I need to doze off. Can't do the two at the same time. Simply can't.

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Weird, there was a website I had saved in a hidden tab for a few months, now I went to look at it and it simply wont load, and the root address takes me to a totally different website, I wonder what kind of weird reality shift happened for that to be the case
https://unhiden.com/knowledge/spiritual-awakening/8

pic related was still loaded on my browser tho

>>42683007
It happens before I can orient myself. I guess I need to focus on being more calm and less excited.

So I've trying the Velo method lately:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXO1i2r87wc&pp=ygUPdGhlIHZlbG8gbWV0aG9k
Namely, its just moving energy longitudinally throughout the body, I think I've heard it before and even the author of the video says its very old common technique known by many.
Personally though, I don't think any other AP related author described it. Also she goes much more into more esoteric subjective as if they were a given in modern science, for example energy cleansing and chakra talk, which I also find to be fairly uncommon in AP literature.

That being said, its an easy technique to do, hard to master. I've doing it lately I can positively says its been pretty good, and I'm getting constant tingles of vibrations every now and then, though haven't quite get to that full on VS yet.

I'm also open to keep trying on some other methods I've read on earlier, it is quite possible that something else was blocking me.
Feels to me like each of the books bring to light a new piece of the puzzle, like they work in unison instead of being their own isolated piece of knowledge.
I thinking of making a big summary later of what I've learned so far.

That being said, I'm also eager to see if anyone been able to get the VS consistently.

>>42684993
>I can't fall asleep, and if I try to fall asleep
First "the phase" isn't a method, and you're not supposed to fall asleep, quite the opposite.
The point is to wonder off, while retaining lucidity, eg, staying awake.

>>42685700
Disorientation is quite common, Monroe described quite well how he felt at first and how long it took to get used to it in his first book.
And on top of that, I believe there is a tape exclusively dedicated to that in the Gateway set, one of the most boring hard to understand tapes (if you're not experiencing it) for that matter.

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>>42623553
Stop hanging around your body after projecting. It attracks low level energy sucking entities. Fly away from your body.

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>>42622000
Literally bullshit.
Been trying the Gateway tapes on and off for 2 years now.
Not once have I managed to get to focus 10.
Now I can't even play the tapes. I've listened to the same fucking first few over and over that they're just boring and I zone out and fall asleep and it's getting earlier and earlier. Now I can't even make it past the energy conversion box shit before falling asleep. I do however always seem to wake up when that nigger Jung tells me to.

Anyway, since I cannot attain Focus 10 which is the crux of the entire thing I have no reason to believe it exists. That's my position on all things in life, it's the only way to weed out bullshit from the endless sea of lies.

I've never even come close to a sleep paralysis state. I've never not been able to move my body if I will to do so.

This earns its certified 'load of bollocks' award from me. You can't Astral Project. You can't leave your body. I've quizzed and tested people who claim they can, with a simple test, one that should be trivial to do if you can indeed separate from the body yet you can't do it, because it's all a lie and just like all lies its perpetuated by the same thing that all other lies on this board are perpetuated by. SUNK. COST.
Everybody besides me does not have the mental fortitude to put time into something and then just acknowledge that it doesn't work, no, their brain demands they get something out of it so they default to herd mentality to fit in places like this and then just make up a whole bunch of garbage so other anons can clap about their post. That's all these generals are, people just making up fiction, wishing it were real.
I wish it were real too but it isn't. That's just how it is.

I am not going to be uniquely designed to not have any magical/supernatural practice I read on here not work, yet nothing ever works, which tells me all this, all everything I read on this board is all bullshit. If it doesn't work, it's bullshit. Can't be simpler than that

>>42686538
do you like lucid dreams?

>>42684772
I feel you, the emptiness is unbearable.
Like the very fabric of your reality being ripped apart.
It’s hard, and it hurts, but it’s still worth trying. There might be some answers to find.

>>42686880
>There might be some answers to find.
I hope so
Everything feels so weird

>>42686708
Couldn't tell you, my dreams have never been lucid.

>>42686993
I'm talking about how I feel without the weed

Lucid dreams feel awesome

>>42686961
Like a missed opportunity.
A massive buildup of energy that was waiting to be unleashed, but wasn’t.
Now it feels like traveling in the wrong timeline.
Déjà vu.

>>42686538
>Now I can't even make it past the energy conversion box shit before falling asleep
I envy you. My issue is the opposite, if I'm listening to something I simply can't fall asleep or even relax at all. I could sleep deprive myself and it wouldn't help.

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>>42686538
Works for me
>t. Focus 15 enjoyer

My recommendation is that you start the tapes from the beginning. Once you understand that each of the preparation steps are up to you, you can approximate them at will:

Here’s how I use them:

Energy conversion box
>stop thinking of day to day chatter
Resonant tuning
>hum along to hear the binaural beats
Rebal
>gain an awareness of the energy field surrounding yourself

For the rebal, I imagine being surrounded by a force field, and then I imagine that this expands into the homes of ex gfs, coworkers, animals, electronic systems… all while focusing on the phrase “I am more than my physical body”.

Once that’s good to go, I wait for the Focus 15 state and this gets you to a state of manifesting, remote viewing, and so forth. I think if Focus 15 as having a heads up display (HUD) of reality.

Beyond this, the steps are the same and you’ll find the guided narration helpful or annoying. I prefer Honeycutt because he sounds less like Monroe’s chain-smoking daughter or a gay dude.

>arthoes are mine and the don’t know it yet

>>42662071
>I've managed to AP before through severe sleep deprivation
I don't think anyone and this anon in particular will be present in this short timeframe but this night I have just the condition in my home to try the sleep deprivation method as listed here by getting to the point my body is calling for sleep despite using the computer, I close the computer and whip out a notebook out to start doodling and hopefully this should avoid the flickering screens issue while actually getting me to the state where I will actually safely "pass out".

I guess if anything I'll try relaying my experience in the morning I suppose but in 4 hours I should get to the point where I'll be collapsing to sleep and try to keep myself away by doodling with pencil something.

>>42689584
yeah you'll want to be sure you're exhausted enough that any closing of one's eyes while laying down will lead to sleep, whether one tries to remain aware or not, and only then should you try the technique described

>>42689595
I actually have extensive experience staying aware since I am this >>42664982 fag although I know how annoyingly written that post is.

My biggest issue in all my attempts was my body never followed sleep paralysis no matter how many stages I got through.

Honestly it may be kinda dumb but I wanna experiment and see if perhaps I could combine the rather true and tested sleep paralysis and rope method or rather just simply getting out my body in astral body form before trying
>then I imagined a wire-frame light body above me and transported an imagined light-ball of consciousness from my head up to the head of this light body, and I seamlessly woke up above my bed floating, it was as if I was normally awake.

Unless you would say that would be bad and I would go to sleep otherwise.

>>42686538
you really expect to get ap with 30 minutes audio? lmao. not even 30min, he wakes you earlier than that. you need to train your body with the lessons he tells you. the fucking 30 min audio wont make you ap, you fucking retarded mongoloide.

>>42689716
yeah you'll basically want to consciously and aware-ly "transport your consciousness" as your body goes to sleep involuntarily. this doesn't not mean sleep paralysis: it means laying down while you are in a state in which you are going to basically collapse (go to sleep) while in a state of laying down, whether your conscious mind wants it or not, and doing the exercise. you will fall asleep naturally since your body is literally craving sleep and are going to wake up seamlessly above your bed if you did it right.

>>42653659
I've been there. The problem is that you're trying too hard. It's a very fine line you have to walk. Try too hard and you'll just sit there awake, don't try and all and you fall asleep.
Remember, the goal is to trick your brain and body into believing they're asleep. Over concentrating and stressing about something is a good way to never fall do that. Just relax, concentrate on a meaningless, repetitive phrase and KNOW that it'll come eventually.

>>42669450
I've been doing WILD for close to 20 years now and have never about this SSILD technique but it sounds really interesting. Care to elaborate a bit?

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>>42689584
>>42689716
I'm back but unsuccessful considering I got past the state where fatigue should overwhelm and I could keep going. Which was bad as I felt trying to be awake more would just be harmful to my health since I know my body best so I had to abort the attempt unfortunately.

I however discovered something myself when still attempting something else which is the reason this post is even present.
While trying to AP during high fatigue is unrecommended considering sleep will just take you.
I just discovered if you mix Corpse Pose (Savasana) combined with some principles and ironically the finger "ok" zing of Easy Pose (Sukhasana), resulting weirdly in mix of those two I would say if you've done mediating to actually notice how there's a difference from that just being the Corpse Pose (Savasana).
It actually kept me awake despite the fatigue I had for sleep already. I only went asleep because I was feeling uncomfortable in the position and rolled on my side.

>>42679828
I'm interested. Post them along with those instructions and I'll give it a whirl.

>>42679828
The only difference from a lucid dream is expectation.
Expectation and Intent are the key to all, but you never actually leave your body.

Any cool coincidence is the result of morphic resonance.
Basically similar structures (like a neuron with some data) have the probability of quantum interaction being influenced by similar ones.
Although no one has a model to explain this, it's a known effect, and the reason whu big pharma found about the disappearing polymers and how bad can it be when suddenly the crystallization you wanted stop happening, and you keep ending up with a less absorbable polymer, globally, as if the compound had some kind of memory.

People who say otherwise are low-lucidity scrubs who can't carry on awareness past one second to do actual dream work and experimentation. Which is 99% of the people who even try AP/OOBE/LD.

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>>42694822
so true

>>42692458
There are subtle stages of development in which you can secure your comprehension of your consciously aware perception while out of body.

First off there is the alertness to the moment.. to be able to be fully aware of an out of body engagement it is necessary to have adequate awareness to be able to pivot consciously within the context of the environment.. to make deliberate observations and not simply be subject to cascading external phenomena without any direct influence on the situation.

At some point lessons must be observed in understanding the foundation of your conscious awareness during these interactions; you are able to perceive from literally within the context of another being's consciousness.. direct viewing from the cognitive imagery within the mind of the subject creature being. You have to discover where your own consciousness is.. what your own consciousness is.
Seeing through the eyes of other beings has much to teach. You are able to perceive their visual limitations.. to literally see how they seeing through their own eyes. It is necessary to scrutinize the cognitive imagery very thoroughly in order to discover how to discern.. if "i" was riding within the mind of another creature, how? Why? Through much experience a gradual understanding of what actually does exist begins to emerge.

When you have seen enough to understand, reality will be the same and yet appear very differently. Understanding can not be easily shared, only earned.

>>42622000
I've had two lucid dreams in my life. I don't think I did anything in particular to trigger them. Both times, it started in an incredibly intense way: you know, that moment when you realize you’re dreaming and start to control the dream: I remember traveling vast distances in an instant just by thinking, I was also flying and controlling the matter around me; I remember warping the road, pulling matter toward me with a single gesture while demonstrating it to my friend in the dream... That feeling of power was so incredible… that it ended up scaring me both times: I panicked, I tried to wake up by repeating to myself that I was dreaming, and I woke up.

I guess I’m not ready to be infinitely powerful.

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>>42645268
> “Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.”
> - Ephesians 5:14
Anon speaks the truth, although the sleep that you need to wake up from is the difference between eternal life or death.
Pay close attention. What renders the math here?

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Had my first lucid dream in over a year last night. I used to be able to lucid dream regularly and I'd started to worry that I might have stopped being able to have them for some reason, but that isn't the case.
>not sleeping well, inadvertently did a wake-back-to-bed
>in real life there was a police siren, which translated into my dream when I eventually fell asleep again
>my dream decides the siren is coming from a visible police car with its lights on, parked at a small park a couple of houses away
>dream that I'm standing at my bedroom window looking across the street to get a better view of the police car
>"Hang on, I shouldn't be able to see to the park, my bedroom window view is nothing but leaves and ivy"
>"There's no park there either, it's meant to be four houses to the left"
>"That open field doesn't exist either"
>"I'm in a dream!"
At that point I did what I normally do when I become lucid, and took a look around to commit it to memory.
My room in the dream was not actually part of a house - it was suspended on a pillar about one storey high. In the direction I was looking from the window there were two 2-lane roads separated by grass (a common setup around here, but not in front of my house), followed by a row of large multi-storey houses.
Behind my room there wasn't a rear wall so I could see a large mansion. It looked vaguely like a way bigger version of my real house but didn't look interesting.
At the end of the roads they merged into a flat cul de sac with houses walling me off from whatever was beyond them. After telling myself I was in a dream a few times I got fed up by the noise of the traffic which hadn't existed a few moments ago and wished for it to be quieter, which removed about half the road's traffic volume. I tried to think of something fun to do, but was totally unprepared for this random LD so I couldn't think of anything. Eventually I lost my lucidity and the dream continued as normal. Probably got 40 seconds of lucidity.

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>>42690863
>https://www.reddit.com/r/SSILD/comments/1h2lvk0/the_official_ssild_guide/
>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ssild

SSILD is self hypnosis, you conk yourself out by shifting your awarenes and focus on eyesight, hearing and kinesthetic body sensations. You cycle through each and in about 3 to 5 minutes you'll go into Trance (hypnotic state)

while you're slipping off into that hypnotic state you can go into liminal dreaming, a WILD or do the target technique.

if you fuck up you'll go into trance anyways and while in trance, as long as you have the intention you'll go into a lucid dream or just take a nap.

While popping out of trance you'll have an opportunity to do the raduga method or target technique.

so you've got 2 to 3 chances every time you go into self hypnosis (SSILD).

I have to spread the sessions out, but i practiced day time SSILD by going to a walmart parking lot, put on a sleeping mask to blot out the sun. The walmart parking lot or a parking lot at a mall will give me a buch of stuff to listen to off in the distance, like cars on a distant highway or people shuffling by my car. There are no niggers in my town so i don't have to worry about getting robbed.

I also do SSILD at home, but i have to open a window to get distant sounds. Distant sounds act as a form or target technique for me and lets me project out into the distance and astral travel. You don't have to go to a walmart or anything you can turn on your phone to some music and set it like 10 feet away from you. that works as well.

anyways, i'll do SSILD and slip off into trance and either do astral travel or lucid dreaming. If i fuck up in the morning i'll do another session in the afternoon I don't do them at night as it interrupts my night time sleep.

also when i focus on my eyesight, since i'm wearing a sleeping mask i'll peer into the darkness of the mask, the mimicks distance and also lets me project out.

Isn't this mega link missing Wave VIII - Union?

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Still waiting for anon to share the Isochronic tunes, but meanwhile I think we can just use this
https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/isochronicBrainwaveGenerator.php

imo, doesn't seem that much different from binaural beats, the main advantage I think would be that you don't need headphones, but if you can doo them either way, not real different
also, the pulse of the beats I can see, could feel closer to what we feel when getting the vibrational state.

That speaking of which, still eludes me, I've been doing VELO, and I've get the vibrational starting off, but they never fully set in
still feels like I either sleep to fast or am unable to drift off no matter how much I wander

Worth noting I've ran off from my magnesium supplements, on one hand it definitely helped with anxiety, like I can feel the background anxiety noise creeping in right on my stomach
on another hand I kinda feel like that kept me from having greater clarity in these events, like I could have great restful sleep, but at the same being somewhat numb

Finally, yesterday got me searching for an old e-book I remembered reading, scouring my ebook folder I found a bunch of related relics, some books I had download way back in 2021 (the phase)
funny that I think I've only now came to actually read it

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Ugh, so i'm asking for help here. So, i had some projections over last few years all with different methods, but recently i have noticed one thing. And the thing is that all times when i projected it was through pain, methods didn't do shit.
Last time it happened, i strained my neck in sleep and vibrations pulled me out of body. I guess pain wakes me up right to the sweet spot.
Is there anyone else with similar shit? And how do you manage to project without pain?

>>42697575
>>42697695
Irrelevant translation of a book pieced together by idiots from oral testimonies centuries ago.
Nothing of value in it,
Not useful for this thread.

>>42682129
If you call it a dream, you haven't been there.

>>42700833
Why would I have been in your dream?
I haven’t been there.
Smells bad in there.

so what can sleep damaged/disabled people do in order to
get sleep cycles that lets one have dreams
so that one can start have dreams and remember them
have lucid dreams
have oob/rv skills
and finally astrally teleport to certain places of the aether dimension to solve their karmic entanglements and other tasks?
last time i woke up refreshed from my sleep was in 2018 probably, unironicly the last year i had a dream, too.
>t. disabled person, not taking any drugs or meds (anymore)

>>42654777
>>42654794
>>42654807
maybe its the heavy metals in your brains that accumulated via childhood injectables and the daily dose of chemicals from you know, breathing air, drinking water, eating food?
>t. could picture pretty well in childhood now its just empty. can simulate in mind but its like me running an emulator in my mind and inside that emulator simulating the apple. not directly simulating
idk if that makes sense

>>42702480
Personally I find lucid dreaming easier when I have shitty quality sleep. It's like there's a sliding scale of how asleep you are where it goes
>awake
>lucid dreaming
>regular dreaming
>oblivion

>>42702521
It doesn’t.

>>42700656
Weird. The closest I have read to something like that is soldiers who are able to AP after traumatic brain injury. I think one APd during a firefight.

OP here yet again I genuinely cant believe this i have never seen a thread go this long on /x/, anyways just checking in on what you guys think of the links I posted in the pastebin, do you feel as though they are good resources? Are all links working properly? Please let me know of any issues with anything, thank you.

>>42704897
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I've read the Phase a couple of weeks ago, unbeknownst that it was the fabled Raduga method.
I'll say its interesting, the most stand out thing is attempting to separate upon waking instead of the other methods.
Now I've must have fallen under the 20% of people that don't immediately start getting results, because so far, while it felt like it could work, I haven't been able to project just yet.

One thing that may not be helping me, upon WBTB, when I go back to sleep it tends to quite a another solid sleep, maybe 2 hours, leaving little space to do multiple attempts, and then I'll be too rested to actually doze off again.

Another thing that got me puzzled, and this is mentioned in the "if it doesn't work?" chapter:
>lack of an attempt to separate
It says it like this over and over again, but doesn't actually explain what it is to "attempt to separate".
I've had OOBE before, but it happened unintentionally, as surprise, when I least expected. Even I start to get the vibrations any effort on my part seems to push it off, so really, I have no idea how it is to intentionally separate.

>>42709133
Shortly after I also happened to read "AP without tears"
and ironically it went all against that concept of effort, it specifically mentions effort and expectation as form of tension that keeps you from detaching. Something I can somewhat relate too.
His method is basically just setting the intention, do it in a time where you wont simply sleep, and letting your mind wander as if you were actually going to sleep.

Something that should be quite easy to me, but again without success, whenever I get into that state and not asleep, I helplessly start imagine and picture things (ie manifesting).
I guess now I see that I was preoccupied too much with that situation and put achieving a OOBE in second plane.

But still, both methods must work, any advice is appreciated.

>>42709133
>>42709165
Controversial take but hear me out.
These are two of the better methods and they work - but some of them never work for a lot of people.
Assuming those like Raduga are correct (I think he is) and this is all lucid dreaming and you never leave your body there is a simple explanation,
This is an unnatural state. You are becoming conscious during a dream. This isn’t actually meant to happen. The conscious part of your brain is meant to be switched off during sleep.
So what you are finding is that you are too ‘healthy’ to enable this state. You are trying to force something that should not happen.

>>42645268
>It is continuous.
Can you elaborate on this? Can you give couple of examples of continuous dreams? How did you had them? How are you sure you are going to same place?

>>42709387
Yes, theyre just lucid dreaming, not same as NDE.

>>42709387
>Assuming those like Raduga are correct (I think he is) and this is all lucid dreaming and you never leave your body there is a simple explanation,
ie, I like Raduga explanation as "the phase", I don't think he ever explicitly said anything like "its all just a lucid dream", quite the contrary.
But its understood through many legit sources, that even though you project you never leave your body, the two can coexist, many also recognize the umbilical cord even if most don't notice it at first.

>So what you are finding is that you are too ‘healthy’ to enable this state. You are trying to force something that should not happen.
Also don't think that's true, its almost common knowledge that we all project and astral travel even if we don't remember, and its only a natural process that we go into this as our awareness grows.
The thing though is that I think we've grown numb to it, literally too attached (consciously) to our physical body. I particularly think my gooning habit is whats killing me (literally).

And I mean I already had a few experiences, I just never got to do intentionally, so there is at least assurance that I'm in the process. Guess its time to tackle this filthy habit of mine.

>>42709839
Once you are able to remain aware while asleep you can begin to gather direct observation. If you remain fully conscious while you are putting your body into a relaxed condition for sleep you can see the process happening every time you sleep.. after the body is numb and unaware you are no longer seeing through the senses.. but you can still be aware of yourself and the darkness around you.. and then there is a pause.. a blank moment.. for a few minutes.. somewhere between 5 and 15 minutes.. everything goes dark. Then a few moments later you are aware but not in your body.. it's nearby though and you can remain oriented to the physical phenomena around you. At this point you are free to travel.. this is assuming that you are doing this on a night when the beings from the stars are not actively visiting you.. if that's happening the process is less under your control. Go with the flow when they get involved. If you are able to remain fully conscious during the visits you will understand a lot more about what is happening here on earth.. assuming you take in the information and mentally process it to comprehend.

Seeing the same place over and over gives you many opportunities to discover and learn.. it matters to look closely and be prepared to make new discoveries. Out of body the world you are seeing has a lot more to it than you might imagine.

Make sure you are using perception and not imagination. You do this by examining the cognitive imagery within your mind.

You can see in your imagination a concept.. that is imagination.. but you can also view something that you saw.. actual memory is not imagination. You can look closely at these various forms of cognitive imagery.

Native American heritage groups often are preserving their heritage traditions of going out of body to interact with things.. other beings and creatures and places.
It's good to experience this with them. Once you know from direct experience you can be your own guide.

>>42647334
>>42647170
>>42645270
>>42645268
>>42710024
Based transcendent astral traveler.

This reminded me, my first experience of the sorts (at least in adult life), was some years back, I barely touched any of this stuff, I was in a regular dream (or maybe unawarely projecting to a familiar place), all I remember suddenly from that dream very strong warm vibrations and I suddenly felt a presence there.
It took a moment of wonder, then it suddenly came to my mind that this was not a human, I've became startled and sort shouting at the thing "you're not human". At the time I even thought I had warded off a demon or something.
Years later I figured out that this was just communication, whatever it was communicated that it was indeed not human to me, and I freaked out because of it.

Anyway, I'm the poster just before your last one. I guess its a gradual thing, but any advice on retaining conscious and memory on this state?

>>42710121
The events are occurring whether you are able to remain fully conscious and alert or not.. whether you are able to remember later is the result of several factors. First you have to be alert and observing in the first place.
The rest is the result of how you return to being awake. If you can become fully conscious before you have activated your nervous system to engage with the physical world you have access to your inner cognitive imagery within the dim fields of visual memory review.. so find any part of the events of the interactions of the sleep phase you are leaving and examine it in detail. By doing this you are bringing the images from your subconscious dreamstate memory into your day consciousness.. once you have one you can look at the beginning and ending of the scene. Follow each scene to the next before and after it.. all this before you move a muscle.
The process is gradual. You have to discover how to remain conscious during the transitions and continue to be fully observing of your environment.
You are going to think you understand things that you are seeing and then through additional exposure and experience you will discover that you were not seeing the full picture correctly.. more depths and complications will emerge in what had appeared to be coherent and stable.

Take time to observe things in detail.
Examine things closely.
Other beings exist. Other humans. Other creatures. Others beyond the linear physical context.
Consciousness is much more involved than our surface layer existence is exposing.
>>42695596
You can perceive much more than is being described by humans.. and you will have to chart your own territory and explorations.

Once you have confirmed that you are able to 'remote view' physical material reality you will have the ability to remain oriented in subspace realms. They, some of them, have tangible relationship to our physical existence.

I feel energy build up on my calves every night, has anyone felt something similar? If I move the energy up, the tension goes down, but I have to do right as I lie down.

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>>42709934
>I don't think he ever explicitly said anything like "its all just a lucid dream", quite the contrary.
He has many times.
>"I do not use the term 'astral projection' because it implies the existence of a non-physical body that leaves the physical one. From a scientific perspective, there is no proof of this. We are dealing with a state of mind, not a state of spirit."

>"The phase is a state where the brain is fully awake, but the sensory organs are turned off and replaced by the subconscious mind, which creates a flawless, 3D simulation of reality. You aren't entering another dimension; you are exploring the depth of your own mind."

>"The realism of the phase is not proof of a supernatural realm. It is only proof of how powerful the brain’s rendering capabilities are. When the brain shuts out external light and sound, its internal creations become your absolute reality."

In an incredibly based way this upsets the shit out of Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/10p6u0u/thoughts_on_michael_radugas_belief_that_ap_is/

>, its almost common knowledge that we all project and astral travel even if we don't remember
That is not common knowledge, it's claimed by some of the more larpy theorists. I get why you would like to believe that as it reduces the chances of a godless empty non-paranormal universe but you are not being open-minded here, you've just read that sometimes and accepted it. It's really not common knowledge at all. Most people don't have that common knowledge.

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Sorry if this is too out-there, but does anyone have experience with entering someone elses dream, or shared dreams in general?

>>42710607
You make it clear that you don't already have conscious experience in this subject.
It is common among those who have direct personal experience and observations.

>>42711037
Shared dream is relatively common among native American heritage groups and several other cultures around the world.

Any two or more people who have developed aptitude can usually easily achieve this.
It's more common to have only one person remember something that actually happened in the non physical but tangible reality that you are able to perceive in 'dream'.

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Greeting, maybe someone can help me out.

I lucid dream since I was young, however last few years i finally got the control of it, no more fear and actually gained insight. I even made contact to a dream entity who gave me it's name, it acts as a sort o guide. It often comes but sometimes not fully formed or not at all, however it did help me out gain personal insight. I am familiar with the fact that I need to ask exact questions and that my unconscious answers. Even contacted my shadow and integrated it (or at least i think so). However last night was different. Had multiple lucid dreams with false awakenings too. Nothing went well, summoning or controlling my will (expectation). Finally while walking (I was looking for something to do to make use of the lucidity) a jester showed up to my right, I asked hi if he is at fault for everything and he nodded. He never appeared before in my dreams. What does this mean? Was he disrupting my dreams? What part of me is he? How to handle this? He was a full on jester like nothing I ever saw but kinda like pic related.

>>42711263
No, done it a few times. Mostly when sick.
You don’t leave your body.
You can’t fly around spying on people.
It’s a lucid dream. It’s just in your head.
You make it clear you are a larper. Stop pretending to be a guru.
>American heritage groups
>several groups
Holy shit. I just vomited. You are like a shitty google.
You are a bad larper. Don’t make shit up, there’s enough of it on /x/.

>>42711372
it's your mind ways of saying that it thinks that acting afool causes you hurt and damage

>>42711374
It's not a lucid dream, I can assure you of that. There are larpers who equate astral projection with daydreaming while dismissing actual experiences. I've met plenty of those in 'esoteric' circles as well as actual charlatans and brainwashing cults.

>>42711374
Stupidity is it's own cage.
Those locked inside cannot be freed from outside.

Everyone is larping besides you.. and you have already measured the entire universe and are now in position to tell reality what is allowed to exist.

No human has seen more than you

>>42711374
remote viewing and telepathy have confirmed to be real by the government. The gate program was made specifically to find and utilize people with psychic abilities. This life is technically a lucid dream, silly fag. There is no such thing as real.

>>42710607
materialist drivel
Raduga may have developped a good newbie method, but he's an absolute retard otherwise as proved by his attempts to drill a hole in his own skull.

>>42712632
>I HAVE DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF THE UNIVERSE.
>I AM WISE
>N-NO I CANT POST ANY OF IT
you are larping.
>>42712730
They haven’t and that’s not astral projection anyway. The majority of the studies they did (even internally) said it didn’t work. They wasted a tiny budget on remote viewing just in case. Irrelevant to this thread.
>>42713236
The skull drilling is the only actual good argument so far. Well done anon, you are ok. However he’s still right,

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Sometime last spring I had started practicing lucid dreaming. I think I got lucky because it was about 20 days in when I had my first 2 second LD.
Then on my second or third month I got little batches of short LDs and little dream control.
at this point I was meditating, playing around with chaos magic and generally just exploring this stuff for fun. Listening to theta waves and talking to people in discords.
My dream recall was basically consistent every night, I would wake multiple times and could fill half a page in a physical dream journal.

Then after that it just sort of peaked, 2 lucid dreams a month, usually only a few seconds up to a minute or so. Some nights I don't dream or have difficulties remembering dreams. After a year I have a nearly full journal and I feel like I barely progressed at all.

I think I got sort of disillusioned after my early success. I knew what was possible, so the repeated normal dreams were boring. I got tired of seeing the same types of dreams over and over and for some reason not recognizing them to become lucid.

Tried doing techniques but i just fall asleep or can't concentrate at night anymore.
it's either insomnia or I just black out, no in between ever.

I'm just sad at how shitty it is.

>>42712056
I don’t though?

>>42714024
So you are saying
You are not a fool.
Can we be sure?

>>42713699
The skull drilling is the only argument I need, the man has had experiences he cannot explain with "b-but the b-brain" despite all his attempts. And the notion that somehow the brain becomes this perfect 3D environment generating machine but somehow you can only use it while asleep or in sleep-like states is laughable.

Anyway, he has no more proof about his arguments than we do here for ours, except that contemporary science still agrees with materialism out of sheer blindness and inertia.

>>42714472
It’s true he has no proof for it. He admits that.
But then no one does.
The issue though is that if you really were able to fly around the physical world and spy on anything that would be very easy to prove.
All anyone seems to ever see is a messed up version of the real world, doors in the wrong place, room has furniture it should not have. That points towards a dream state,

>>42713699
You are a comical example of being sealed inside of the ignorance bubble.
It is a stage of growth. Everyone with experience can look back at their own growth and recognize the condition.
You will eventually grow beyond your current limitations.
At present you don't even notice them.
You are unable to evaluate those who are beyond your current level of knowledge and understanding.

It is definitive Dunning Kruger
You are so certain only due to your current ignorance

I was in my early 20s when I grew past that stage. If you have atrophied into the stage of development you may possibly be stuck in it for the duration of your current incarnation.
There is nothing that can be done to assist you. You are the only voice you can hear.

>>42714486
https://captain-of-my-ship.com/

>>42714712
Shut up you dumb fuck.
You aren’t evaluating anything. Reincarnation is also bullshit. Meds.

>>42714720
Your point is what?

>>42714747
Were you also in the /ecg/ thread?

>>42714765
I don’t know what that is so no.

>>42714747
>>42714753

Malformed character is it's own punishment for its own existence.
You are not knowledgeable although you imagine yourself to be.

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>>42711037
That is my main terminal objective.
Imagine sharing a lucid dream with your QT delusional distant soulmate, that would be so cute.
It reminds me of that scene in Your Name, the best romance ever.

>>42714486
AP is not remote viewing and you cannot control whether you will be projecting in RTZ (real time zone) or not. And more to the point, in astral environments you cannot make changes to your surroundings as you can in a lucid dream.

>>42714889
>YOU ARE NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE LIKE ME
>I AM SOME SORT OF REINCARNATED MASTER
Ok bro. I look forward to your insights that are not generic trash.

>>42715079
>astral projection is not remote viewing
Yeah and?
>RTZ
Larp. Doesn’t exist. I guess you’ve been reading Robert Bruce, he came up with that one.
>And more to the point, in astral environments you cannot make changes to your surroundings as you can in a lucid dream.
Same thing. Lucid dream is astral projection.

>>42715135
>Lucid dream is astral projection
Yes and no, lucid dream is a personal playground in the astral, generally with lower lucidity than actual AP. Astral projection takes place in consensus reality, which is why willpower alone can't change your surroundings.

>>42714753
That you are an retard.

>>42711372
The thing about lucid dreaming is that expectations are the most powerful force within them. When you asked whether he was responsible, you probably already suspected he'd say yes, so he did.
Same goes with having poor control within your dream. It happens to me too, because as soon as your mindset changes from "This will work" to "I hope this works (because it didn't before)", you fall into a negative feedback loop.
Another symptom of this effect is lucid nightmares, where you get frightened in a dream, and being scared makes you expect more scary things, so they happen, so you get more scared and it spirals until you wake up.

>>42715135
I projected ONCE for barely a minute. I heard if you're too close to your body you get sucked back in so when I popped out I quickly walked into the hall without looking back. My vision was as if I were looking through thin straws so I said 'clarity now'. There was a weird glossy sheen over everything but beyond perfect eyesight. Stuck my hand through the ceiling. Was at a relative's house and everything was exactly the same. Never in a dream were any of my homes ever correct.
The front room has windows all over and windowed doors. In the astral outside of them were otherworldy blue incandescent fauna. It was beyond vivid and I don't think that color and glow can be replicated in a muddy dream even lucid. The AP then changed to another location quickly. Assumed it turned into a dream. I then opened my eyes immediately reacting to someone walking down the hall. It wasn't opening like you do when you wake up, it switched instantly like I was peering through another set of eyes before. Kept waking up that night to every little noise so I barely got sleep before it happened.

Kids can’t talk books outside the classroom

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Has anyone started vibrating, almost bobbing like an autistic person after "practicing" this too much?

I mean, I'll often get medium and brief vibrations when trying to get into phase, its become a habit even just going to sleep or waking up. And I find that it sometimes carries on in my day to day life.
Like I just need to take a breather, like in front of the PC, maybe seated in school or even standing at work, and suddenly I'm aware of this strong physical bobbing in my body, almost like I'm vibrating.

I wonder if its something natural, that you gain awareness of, or maybe I've become fully autistic indeed.

>>42718999
All I've been doing is trying to get better at mind asleep body awake state which is just laying down until you get to that state. I listen to brown noise every night playing from my speakers and I start to lightly vibrate with it. Listen to gateway or binaurals and start to vibrate with those. Vibrated when I tune in to the air unit in the hallway. I haven't tried to AP in a while only trying to get into a deeper state. Resonant tuning basically breathing and humming helps a lot.