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>>42623169
I agree
I wouldn’t want to bring children into this planet when greys and lizards are abducting children and probing butts
Arrest the guests on Epstein island and I’ll consider having kids

>>42623180
we can only hope anon!

>>42623226
LMAO

>>42623169
I have been fortunate to be born (1982) in a time when I could see what a good life for a man and woman is. my parents were wonderful people and certainly never deserved the grief I gave them. they gave myself and my siblings an excellent childhood in a good small town. I did well in school, became a zogbot, traveled the world, had all my adventures, got to meet and fuck women, got paid well, all that stuff.

I woke up one day sick of shitting blood from all the stress. a few close calls had happened and I had almost gotten blown up by an rpg in my sleep (slept through it), a mortar cutting me in half (had a feeling in my nuts), and all other situations where, looking back on it now, I would've rather just died in afg instead of live in this america.

what kept me from blowing my brains out during the end where I started hating it was the thought of starting a family when I get back stateside. after seeing the bare facts of the life my children would live, even if I could pull off a miracle and find a suitable mother in modern america, is simply untenable. if I could guarantee that my children had the same quality of life that my parents gave me, and theirs gave them going back who knows how many generations, I would have children.

but I didn't and I am glad. I hate being alive and the only thing keeping me from killing myself is religious prohibitions. for me, natalism is to spare my children having to live in the world where I saw the truth behind the curtain about how this world works. this world is evil, I make no apologies for anything I ever did, my parents deserved a better son, and my children deserve a better world.

does that answer your question?

>>42623235
yes. good input. if I could promise a good life for any children I would have them, but I cant. theres too many factors, and this world is constantly going to shit. no good in life. none at all.

>>42623169
Antinatalism is just a symptom of someone's depression. Take happy drugs and watch your "moral political view" disappear.

>>42623245
I have done a lot of happy drugs and only have come to the point that more life in this world is wrong.

>>42623250
It's a symptom of your depression no matter what. It's not a moral stance, that's an illusion.

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>>42623244
>no good in life.
disagree. for me, it is purely a quality of life issue. good audiobook here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clzt5XgwEkM

because the problem for me is purely genetic. not all whites are created equal, and for me it is a question of percent degeneration of the races. the blackies are around 80% degen now and were probably around 40% in the 1800s, just going off my reading. whites used to be better, but now we are getting into the 60% degen numbers with the whites such that my children would never find a suitable mate. sure, they can find any low birth sack of shit out there, but I want my children to grow up in the same world my ancestors did, built by and for them. in olden times, when the world became what it is now, the whites would all migrate away and leave the mongrels behind to cannibalize themselves down.

there is nowhere else to go. I also believe that we are mortal and eternal. our mortal bodies do not live on, and this place is only temporary in our totality of experience. it would be cruel to bring them here, and wherever the eternal part of what would've been my mortal children in this world is living somewhere else. could be better, could be worse, but at least they won't have to suffer the rotten future waiting for them here.

If somebody would really believe all that crap - life is only suffering, existence is meaningless, blah, blah - he should commit sudoku, it's the only logical choice.
If you are still breathing you are not antinatalist, you are just whiny faggot.

>>42623295
babbys first encounter with anti natalism. try again

>>42623295
read albert camus

most humans are spiritually animals, for most humans shitting out a brood like some dumb woodland beast is their biggest drive in life, a thousand times bigger than anything else they pretend to care about

gnosticism was right to call them hylics and personally I would use a stronger term, those fucking creatures are the engine powering this evil world, without their endless spawning the demiurge and his ilk would have no torture victims

aliens are no better, too... I don't care if they have a 5,000 IQ
everyone in the universe is just a rotten breeder normie keeping all this madness alive
>>42623254
shut up and die you second guessing little puke

>>42623381
I end this cycle with myself.

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>>42623381
>>42623393
You have no power to do anything you little shits. The multiverse and reincarnation laughs in your face.

>>42623169
It's just a bunch of propaganda by the elites so the vast majority dies off so they can slave the rest.

>>42623381
>everyone in the universe is just a rotten breeder normie keeping all this madness alive
you sure are going to like reading Ligotti if you haven't already. his take is similar to yours such that there exists a malevolent force in this universe to force life to continue under meaningless suffering. not the sort of suffering to cleanse the spirit or whatever, just empty meaningless suffering, toil, and misery. it doesn't have to be this way, the universe can easily support life in a dignified and just way in balance with each other. but it doesn't, and will not ever operate in that manner, at least in the realm of thought and behavior of animate creatures like ourselves and the wild animals. the mechanical physics of it all are detached from the malevolent evil which inhabits every corner of this reality.

typical horotic analysis to escape though some boundary, except for Liggoti, we aren't held here by anything more than a hateful entity which wants more than to kill, but to keep alive in the worst and most meaningless way possible.

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having children is objectively evil

don't force an innocent consciousness into this reality

all the hylics ITT seething

>>42623169
Retarded. Antinatalism as a philosophy defeats itself by suicide being readily available. Dumbass philosophy.

>>42623169
less people -> less worker -> value of labor rises -> power shifts from the owner to the worker -> revolution

viva la proletariat

>>42623423
the mechanics is the opposite. They need worker. That is where their wealth comes from. Why do you think they're obsessed with AI? Why do you think the musk keep blabbing about population crisis?

>>42623169
I spent most of my life as an antinatalist, then I met the right person, life became beautiful and I changed my mind. We had a kid and it's the greatest joy possible, I love my son so much, watching him grow is the best thing ever. I wish I could afford to have more, there is nothing better than having a family of your own and I pray every antinatalist comes to realise this.

>>42623612
We all chose to come here, if you're here, you wanted to be

pure waste of time. if you don't knock her up someone else will, end of the story
besides no one wants kids with an antinatalist, who fucking cares about their opinion on the topic? utterly self defeating

>>42624066
>power
If you still think in terms of power then you are still too far from reaching gnosis. The only way to save and rebirth the world is when the concept of power balance and power value, etc, completely ceases to exist.

>>42625222
and? doesn't mean you have to force someone else to exist now that you have experienced being here

retard

It's a belief popular amongst domesticated humans

>>42623369
>>42623362
>We should end all human life but definitely not start with me!
Cope. You're proposing something terrible but pushing it far enough it the future that you are divorced from the reality of it. Why would you do that? Because you're weak.

>>42625263
But I love being here, my partner loves being here, my family love being here and all of our friends love being here. Life can be really beautiful when you're surrounded by wonderful people. And my child is an aryan chad already, he got the highest possible scores on all of his aptitude tests, he's raised without phones or tablets more in line with an upbringing from the past, as are the other children in the extended family. He has every chance to be successful, his father is 6'4" and at 2 years old he's so tall he's in age 4-5 clothing. Not only is he intellectually capable he is also physically capable. My kid is growing up with all of the best chances in a predominantly white area in a first world country and he's not circumcised, he has every chance to live the best life possible. We have a large family and loads of friends with kids his age, he's so happy. Having him was the right choice.

>>42625300
yeah and in the next life you'll both be born in india. It's how you are tricked into coming back. but i dont expect someone as gullible and retarded as you to get it. Enjoy it while it lasts, faggot.

>>42625424
I'm not coming back and neither will be my son, we're done in this lifetime

>>42625428
and here i thought your first post was arrogant enough. Sure, you alone will overpower the demiurge after a wonderful life. That makes total sense.

>>42623169
It's incredibly gay, I understand if you don't want to reproduce but wanting humanity to go extinct is jewish.

>>42625428
"im 6'4 with an amazing son and amazing life, i love it here"
"I'm done with this timeline"

uhh, you're supposed to pick one, dumbass lmao

>>42623169
Antinatalism is antihumanism. Shrimple as. antinatalists are the enemy of humanity

>>42625441
I can appreciate this and want to be done, I've had everything I need out of this experience and I'm ready for the next plane. I'm going to ensure that my son gets a proper spiritual teaching so that he can pass along too. My ancestors had good lives and aren't reincarnating here. There's nothing conflicting about saying that this place is good but the next place is better. I believe I've reincarnated lots of times to get to the point where I've had a good life here that builds me up to take the next step of the journey and I want to help my son get there too.

Homosexuality and other forms of fetishized nonviable sex is another angle of functional antinatalism. You know who's behind pushing faggotry? Antihuman, antinatalists.

>>42625451
Yeah dude, its just a school full of retards that think they can just print their own diplomas and choose when theyve graduated by themselves based on how hard of a time they're immediately having. Wow

>>42623169
>>42623180
see
>>42623781

Just kill yourself if you're actually serious about antinatalism

>>42625460
I've had major spiritual experiences from the age of seven years old and interacted with the other side, I've been told from the next planes that I'm ready to go. You make a lot of assumptions based on very little information.

>>42625483
And yet here you are still. So whos mistake is it?

>>42625509
I'm here for many reasons, and I'm having a great time, this world can be amazing and I'm grateful I got to be me

>>42625518
Good. Enjoy your fun life I guess

>>42625534
I will, and if my plan works your life will become fun too

>>42625547
>implying my life isn't fun
Did you just assume my gender?

>>42623169
Already refuted this on /lit/ recently but here goes:
Good and bad are measurements. With no subject to measure, there is no good.
Good is a human concept, experienced only by us. No man? No good.

Suppose there is no God, no purpose, just chance. Why conclude non-existence is preferable? If existence has no predetermined purpose, then you don't know that existence has no unforeseen possibilities worth enduring for.
Cashing out without proper knowledge of the situation is dumb.

As far as suffering goes, how much of that can be attributed to nurture rather than nature?
How much of our suffering is truly unbearable, and what percentage of that suffering is self-inflicted?

Suicide is not the way out of the Black Iron Prison.

>>42623169
Anti natalism solely done from how harsh this world can be is silly. Because I think it should apply to all scenarios. Even in a heavenly paradise I see no purpose beyond your own selfish reasons to create more life. It just seems like the most pointless silliest thing to do. Life IS great, so why waste my time raising another when you could be enjoying it? People say shit like oh because its so great we we gotta have kids and share the greatness with them but to me that's just more selfish ego validation.

>>42625592
>trust me I know the universal plan and can credibly criticize it

>>42625574 (me)
To continue:
I fundamentally reject suffering as a universal bad.
Self-discipline hurts.
Rehabilitation, exercise, childbirth, telling the truth, administering justice, loving others, these cause suffering and are all worthwhile endeavors.
To claim non-existence is preferable to being subject to suffering while also acknowledging joy, love, etc. is weakness unbecoming.

It doesn't automatically follow that individual abstention meaningfully changes the broader trajectory of humanity anyway. Those in charge have our DNA and could just grow more of us.

Antinatalism fails at every turn.

>>42625592
You were allowed that joy by being gifted language and life from another?
You feel zero impulse to pay that forward?
These sounds like post-hoc rationalizations of a selfish person who doesn't view themselves as selfish.

>>42625608
If you believe gratitude for your own existence requires any kind of action or belief in order to 'prove' that gratitude, then its not actually gratitude its a burden.
Being alive should come at zero cost. Its awful that you think that because I am alive I must therefore spread life too. Even worse you structure it not as an actual physical cost or debt, but some kind of moral debt that I should desire from the start and by not doing so I'm somehow the worst person ever. I don't recall being asked if I accept this debt in order to be able to exist, so what right do you have to say I'm bad for not being interested in it?

>>42625634
>If you believe gratitude for your own existence requires any kind of action or belief in order to 'prove' that gratitude, then its not actually gratitude its a burden.
What a woefully lazy and self-pitying stance. By this logic ANYTHING requiring action from you is a 'burden'. Hell, the mere expectation of reciprocation has you taking your toaster to the tub from being 'overburdened'. Laughable that you think you aren't selfish or lazy.

>Being alive should come at zero cost.
Elaborate on that. You can't say 'should' and then not set terms. If biological spite is what drives you, and your argument for not subjecting another to your OWN PERSONAL fears is they can't consent to it, then demanding humanity opt out of existence on behalf of those that might seek to right the wrongs of your cowardice are owned a chance as well. You can't consent for them not to exist, that right ends at your own body.

>Even worse you structure it not as an actual physical cost or debt, but some kind of moral debt that I should desire from the start and by not doing so I'm somehow the worst person ever.
Taking to defending yourself from things I never said now, more dishonesty. Quote where I called you the worst person ever or repent. Bearing false witness doesn't make your argument stronger.

>I don't recall being asked if I accept this debt in order to be able to exist, so what right do you have to say I'm bad for not being interested in it?
What right do you have to judge those that will continue on in spite of their worry? Why can't you opt out alone? Need your hand held there as well? You curse our existence but require our participation to achieve your goals lol. Cosmic irony.

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>>42623169
I've agree with antinatalism, albeit not for all the same reasons that many dumber ones do (don't care about muh environment and such, for example, it's not about those things).
To put it simply: this world is garbade and life is inherently full of suffering, so why propagate it?
Also like how it causes immense asshurt in lots of normies. It's one of the main ideas I've been pushing into the collective subconscious for years and I think results are there to be seen already.

Also, on a personal level I can't stand children and find the entire process of copulation-pregnancy-childbirth-rearing extremely disgusting and repulsive. If there was a woman I cared about, I'd never subject her to such torture. But most women are barely conscious animals under complete control of their uteral urges, so this thought experiment is meaningless to begin with.

>>42623612
Based. Most people don't realize that the biggest spiritual damage one can inflict on themselves is by procreating. More so than even murder or betrayal. This is the most counter-intuitive thing to realize for most, and it's what keeps this meatgrinder of a world whirring.

>>42625449
Yes, cry about it.

>>42625471
I will kill myself once/when/if my personal existence here becomes completely unbearable and incompatible with maintaining my principles. But for now there are still some things to do and observe.

Anyway, "Blessed is the womb which has not
conceived and the breasts which have not given milk." (GoT)

>>42625809
>life is inherently full of suffering
No it isn't. Modern life is. You're upset at the servitude you were born in to, not the vessel you inhabit.

>so why propagate it?
Fair enough. No need to plant your seed. But if you're making the argument that others ought to opt out as well, you'll need more than "I'm having a bad time right now."

>>42625913
>Modern life is
Okay historylet. At most other points in time (You) would die from war, famine or disease, while suffering from malnutrition, with no agency over yourself or your own time because you would be serving someone more powerful than yourself to work most hours of the day. In many cases that powerful person would have his shit ransacked in a war and you would be enslaved or killed. Where the fuck normalfags get this idea that all people used to just sit around chilling having a good time is beyond me. Life has never been easier, especially for the retarded masses.

There are no imitators of Chronos we are all Chronos playing with itself.
This applies to other gods as well we host equally male and female fragments of them they gendered and envy humans uh so wise

>>42625960
You romanticize some horrific scenario and reduce their entire existence to that specific moment.
Even the people that actually suffered from those things would have a less bleak outlook than you.
I guarantee that most would choose to live again if they could. I'm willing to bet you'd agree, which makes it strange why you're campaigning for the inverse on their behalf.

You've decided to lay your own personal judgement on things, and spit at others rather than make the argument for why non-existence is preferable.
You're hurting, and posturing as above it all.
This is not the mindset of someone who has enough information or confidence to wipe out human existence via argument.

>>42625913
>Modern life is.
No, at the very least the entire recorded history has always been like that. If anything, suffering was marginally reduced in modernity due to various advances. Your idealistic pastoral landscape never existed - it's always smelled of shit and was smeared in blood and cruelty.

>But if you're making the argument that others ought to opt out as well
Oh, I don't care ultimately. Keep breeding, but don't complain when your spawn gets spawncamped in one way or another. Which is what you breedcucks always do whenever shit goes south.

Regardless, as statistics worldwide show, fewer and fewer people are opting into this whole (((family))) and breedcuck scam. Hell, even african nigger birthrates are dropping. The rest of the world is already below replacement level fertility. Even India fell below 2, kek.
Still wish it was faster ofc, but it is what it is, can't have it all at once.

I keep trying to manifest a pandemic that would cause mass infertility, so hopefully one day, one day.

those who trade comfort for freedom deserve neither

>>42626007
>Oh, I don't care ultimately
>Still wish it was faster
>I keep trying to manifest a pandemic

You're lying to yourself about your own position, and I'm supposed to take you seriously?

>>42626010
those who demand freedom from suffering while also demanding the fruits of its rewards are those in the wrong here

>>42626016
"I don't care" as in I don't care for convincing anyone. No convincing is necessary. Breedcucks are gonna be breedcucks. It's in their programming. You can't promote non-procreation via mere arguments.

>>42626020
what fruits come from suffering?
nothing worthy of the cost

If you forget you automatically sell this memory.

>>42625972
This message applies to fcked bots the real humans just living in the sky having this show is shite

>>42626029
Oh ye of little self-discipline.
I quit cigarettes after smoking a pack a day for 15 years. I suffered through the withdrawals to a happier and healthier existence.
During my bout with suffering, I gained a bunch of weight. I filled that void with snacks like an idiot.
I gained over 50 pounds, and lost it all by fasting intermittently. I once again, had to suffer to achieve my goals, and they were worth every second. I'm at my high school weight now, nice and lean. Suffering was the buy in.

When you definition of suffering is "me not getting what I want the second I want it" or "Something bad is eventually going to happen so I'm going to worry in the meantime too", this is not a fault of existence. You weren't born that way, thus ceasing births is not the answer.

>>42626042
you are engaging in false cause
if you think suffering is you not being able to stay skinny, uh buddy you are sheltered

>>42626064
No, you are moving the goalposts to continue to claim that suffering does not bear fruit.
We can up the stakes if you like.
Cancer-stricken patients or war casualties, they would overwhelmingly choose to live again, their suffering didn't define their existence.
You wish to override their wants and say no, it is too much for ME to know therefore we must ALL cease.

>>42626069
I'm not moving the goalpost
>When you definition of suffering is "me not getting what I want the second I want it" or "Something bad is eventually going to happen so I'm going to worry in the meantime too", this is not a fault of existence. You weren't born that way, thus ceasing births is not the answer.
you bitched about being quiting smoking and being fat, then put words in my mouth

>Cancer-stricken patients or war casualties, they would overwhelmingly choose to live again, their suffering didn't define their existence.
also try telling that to the dead

>>42626076
Is your position that suffering is a given thus ceasing to exist is preferable? I apologize if I'm misrepresenting your position. But if that is your position, then concession accepted because I've demonstrated how suffering of any kind isn't the sum total experience of life. This position is held by people that have suffered worse than you or I, who are we to reject their claims?

>>42626084
>also try telling that to the dead
If being dead retracts the validity of their living wishes, then why are you asking such things of others in the here and now?

>>42626091
>Is your position that suffering is a given thus ceasing to exist is preferable?
you keep building arguments against this position
no that's not my position retard, true suffering is needless and provides no fruits, to wish for freedom from that is logical no? I'm not out here arguing that cancer patients should off themselves, I think it's just you making that correlation

>>42626029
Have you never sacrificed something for the sake of another?
Maybe you're too selfish to derive pleasure from that, but yes. Suffering brings clarity, and clarity bears fruit.

>>42626112
sacrifice != suffering
sacrifice is usually done willing

>>42626111
>no that's not my position
You're wiggling. I'll show ya.
>true suffering is needless and provides no fruits, to wish for freedom from that is logical no? How does that differ from the position you rejected previously? It doesn't.

>true suffering is needless and provides no fruits
I've demonstrated how it can, in a rather mundane and simple way, and you pivoted to that isn't 'true' suffering.
So I pointed out that those that did truly suffer in yours eyes would largely choose to live again, yet you claim authority over their will by claiming your position would've been preferable.
You aren't saying "life isn't for me so I'm not going to reproduce." You're casting judgement on others for doing exactly that, which leaves you with more explaining than you're clearly capable of doing.

>>42626122
Sacrifice implies loss, it is not selfless.
It trades suffering for a greater good.

>>42626139 (me)
to continue this thought briefly, "true" suffering (the kind you will accept as framing) isn't even guaranteed so it weakens your argument the more you zoom out from suffering.
The mere CHANCE of war or cancer is enough for you to wipe the entire slate clean lol, even though people that suffered from those very things have given us guidance here.
This is cowardice and spite wrapped in compassion.

>>42626170
I got trips and you didn't that's all I need

>>42626144
and at that point it no longer becomes suffering

>>42626237
>Suffering is all in your mindset
I agree which is why nuking us from orbit is not the solution.

>>42626231
I won the argument and you rested on a silver prize of your own making. We are both at ease.

>>42626348
All i ever wanted to procraeate but now i am 57yrs old and virgin, bu t all these teens and nogs have so much kids! What the hell? I dont beleieve

>>42626357
suckle and fuckle old man

>>42625809
Agreed. Amazing to see how many normalfags are ITT larping about how life is beautiful and what not. You only see anyone on 4chan talking about how awesome life is in antinatalist threads, LMAO.
Larpers, all of them. I too have an amazing wife. We agree on not reproducing. Why?
>the bestial/subhuman demographics will surpass the civilized in demographics in a few decades, no matter how many kids you make
>the world will become an absolute hellscape after 2030
>economy is shit
>the world will necessarily get worse, because it was designed for that
>if you think logically most of life IS indeed suffering, even in the "goldest of times" (I like how americans were living the dream in the 50s and 80s and still ruined their peers lives with bullying, social status bullshit, violence, drama, drugs and pointless tormenting crap)
>she's terrified of the pregnancy process, which I understand, I also want her tight and perky

The fact that this makes exactly the most retarded normalfags I've ever met IRL seethe hard is one of the biggest indicators that I'm fucking right. But the best are the christians and """gnostics"""
>this world is evil
>you must put more babies on this planet because...well you just HAVE TO alright?

No. I won't be the responsible for another educated kid living among a gazillion normgroid creatures.

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>>42626558
You are literally a materialist normalfag

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>>42626558
Life IS great. There is mcdonalds and coke in it. This is just your emo circle jerk reddit thread. I can tell you are from reddit because you demand conformity.
Making people exist is BASED. Making people suffer is BASED. It's a reddit value to care about other people's rights. It's the multiverse's most elaborate clown show and you are the lolcow. I wouldn't change anything except to make it MORE chaotic.

>>42626558
Yes, pretty much this, nothing to add.

>I too have an amazing wife. We agree on not reproducing.
Congrats, sounds like you hit jackpot there. No idea where to even find such women. Usually it's either sluts or breeders everywhere.

>>42626708
Back to r/antinatalism you fucking gay ass

>>42626648
Life is indeed great for niggers like you, I have no doubt. Your ilk deserves to inherit this shithole.
>>42626720
Obviously not gay and never used plebbit.
Don't project your perversions onto me.

>>42626558
>The fact that this makes exactly the most retarded normalfags I've ever met IRL seethe hard
Bullshit. It's your contempt for those that do have kids that rightfully earns the protest. You're not content to make your own (dumb) decisions, you need validation and participation from others and pretend otherwise when you offer nothing but scorn towards those that don't share your perverse worldview.

Also people using 4chan vent their frustration, and while doing so pathologically isn't great it's better than reducing humanity to suffering you yourself haven't even experienced.
It's wasteful. You won the lottery and have survivor's guilt, that is not honor it's confusion.

>>42626708
Enjoy the kennel of puppies and misplaced anger.

>>42626786
Again, more projections. No, not everyone feels the drive/need to have children or substitutes thereof. I understand it's hard to grasp for you cos you think everyone has to be more or less like you, but it is what it is.
>inb4 you'll feel that way later trust me bro
I'm nearing 40 and if anything I enjoy solitude and glad I don't have to waste time, money and energy on dealing with spawnlings.

>>42626648
You too are a materialist normalfag

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>>42626755
I hope life bullies you more you little bitch.
>>42626831
Doesn't make sense. Liking mcdonalds and coke is soul.

>>42625999
>romanticize some horrific scenario
No retard that's just the reality of the situation and it gets annoying that recently people keep revising history to their own little headcanon that actually life was always a laid back paradise until the industrial revolution happened and now suddenly things are harder than ever just because you have to wash your ass and pay taxes. Your understanding of the world is completely fictitious and juvenile. Stop pretending to know what you're talking about.

>>42623169
Every form of life tries to avoid death, what better way is there then to not be born at all?

>>42627774
I think this accidentally gets at what you guys are trying to say.
You resent having to die, so you wish to prevent anyone else from taking your place.

>>42625256
The power that be is fucking your figurative ass right now. You can ignore and pretend you achieve a higher enlightenment but that dick is still in your ass.

Jew psyop. Shut up mossad.

>>42623169
200 years ago my pleb ancestors couldn't get 40 gram of protein per day
Now i can have all the protein i want
I guess some people think plebeians shouldn't have such luxuries and rather kill us all.

>>42623169
If this world were real, then anti natalism would be the bare minimum of being a good person on this Earth. As well as Veganism.

I wish there was some way to ban people who already had kids from these threads. All they do is waste your time, they can't ever back down and will do whatever they have to convince you and the world it was the right thing to do.
And its perfectly understandable why, its not like we want MORE suffering onto their kids and stuff yeah?

Like imagine I write some kind of amazing post, a huge 2000 paragraph that perfectly in all ways and manners flawlessly justified anti natalism and left no room for ever, would all the people with kids already go "oh wow he's right I guess there was no point having kids I'll just start hating mine now"

Its like the Japanese soldiers that keep fighting after the war, a (good) parent CANNOT allow any form of negativity enter their mind that may shift their attitude towards their child. We may disagree on whether having a child is good or bad, but we can all agree if you already got one then you must above all else maximize its joy and love even if you if you must live in a world of delusion and you loath your own existence having to do so.

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>>42628722
Depression and antinatalism mean the same thing. You're basically arguing for depression. Sure I guess you can do that. I can argue in favor of aids and cancer too and get mad when people don't take my position seriously.
I imagine you looking like pic related.

>>42623169
Isms are limitations and i consider them unwise. You are just looking for confirmation for your belief but not from 4chan as it may seem, but from God. You want to be forgiven for choosing to not have children.
THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT
Do you plan to have sex?
If yes, then if you get her pregnant will she abort? If yes, you re a murderer. If no, you re no longer antinatalist, congratulations.
If she doesn't get pregnant cause condoms or whatever, you choose to get the pleasure without the consequences. What does that say about you? I think it says you are immature, weak and not truly a man.
If you choose to not have sex at all then maybe there is a small chance you can do this without letting God know you re a weak loser.