The beautiful thing is you don’t have to believe me. You’re the retard who decided to waste your time reading this.When your body dies you travel either outward (reincarnation, new body, new life) or inward (a liminal dream like space you shape yourself). Neither path is wrong. Outward keeps the wheel turning and continues the cycle of growth. Inward is where you can build your own ideal world.> “In my restless dreams, I see that town. Silent Hill.”Silent Hill 2 nailed this better than most “spiritual” stuff. (Spoiler warning) The whole town is James Sunderland’s(and others) psyche made real, or it manifest whats in a person's Psyche. His guilt, his love, his denial, his monsters. It can be heaven or hell depending on what’s inside you. Some people actually want a hellscape. That’s more freeing than most beliefs. In other words, the spiritual and psychological are the same thing. Your mind shapes your afterlife. If you expect Christ, you’ll see Christ. Shiva, Satan, Odin, whatever, you get what’s in you.
I hope Anon I hope
Shattering. A copy of a copy of a copy.
>>42642796>When your body dies you travel either outward (reincarnation, new body, new life) or inward (a liminal dream like space you shape yourself). Neither path is wrong. Outward keeps the wheel turning and continues the cycle of growth. Inward is where you can build your own ideal world.i do like this, only i'm not a solipsist.i'd want to share it with my loved ones and not just perceived versions of them
>>42643583I can understand why you would want this and to be fairI don’t know everything, no one does.so that may be possible. But for me it’s the opposite but I’m also NOT a solipsistic person. I think the truth is that the psychological overlaps with the spiritual/metaphysical. I don’t assume this to be the truth just the incomplete one.
>>42642796It will be a wonderful date!
>>42645605Indeed!I guessing your aiming for something anime/fantasy themed?
>>42642796>he thinks a metaphor about processing grief was actually about his narrow world view ok, if you’re the only one here then why get so adversarial
>>42645632Read the comments retard, also don’t assume shit about people you don’t know. By now it’s been well over ehhhhhhh 20 times at least seeing anons just being over all retarded and assuming things. See,if you had not been a retard and read the comments you would know I’m not solipsistic as seen here —-> >>42645560. Literally do you just read the top and not anything else?Consciousness related beliefs do not = just solipsism, people formulate their own beliefs and the best thing one could do is create their own belief system.
>>42645622Yes good Sir!Something beautiful and good, full of cute anime girls and nice adventures, without filth, malice and stupidity of the planet of the apes!
>>42642796Perhaps you are right anon, but I want to wake up true reality. This world we live in is a lie. I want the truth.
>>42642796That would be pretty cool.If i can help someone look at life better and themselfs too, that means i am saving their after life too? Neat
>>42646545Benelovent Tulpa is helpful with that.
>>42646489I’m stuck between being a shape shifter in silent hill and living out a fantasy as a Rick Sanchez variant, trying to find the middle ground?
>>42646545You’ll know the truth in the end, I think the lie is only here.
>>42646545>>42647456fook'n saved
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>>42642796I get a similiar idea some time ago.I've figured out how to make everyone happy and no one suffer. Technology must be developed so that everyone can have their own simulated universe in which they would possess divine powers. All beings except the owner of this universe would be perfectly simulated so that the owner would think they were real. This way, everyone could do whatever they wanted, and no one would suffer.The beings in the simulation would be nothing more than highly advanced NPCs, simulated so well that to the owner, they would be indistinguishable from reality. It's crucial, however, that they truly feel nothing and be unreal, otherwise the entire concept would end in a tragedy even greater than on Our Planet of the Apes. The owners of universes would be able to safely visit the worlds of their loved ones and reside in shared worlds where their powers would be limited and all necessary safety measures would be in place.
>>42650226I don’t think tech is required, maybe if we wanted to explore this while alive, but even then you could do this through lucid dreaming, Paracosm/world building. I’ve experienced lucid dreams and I’m actively trying to do it again.
>>42642796same sorta feels-good misdirection like "stand perfectly still and ignore the holograms of your loved ones that spawn in front of you." first, you have to GET OUT. only in a secure location can you cocoon and sink into some dreamlike fantasy, otherwise they'll just recycle your dreaming vessel and you'll wake up from your anime adventures as yet another human infant, inheritor of very-late capital
>>42650610>first, you have to GET OUT.the blazing star, Sirius is the sign.
>>42642796You're kinda right. When you die you simply pop out of your body wherever you are. For some it may manifest into some kind of weird experience. Some may instinctively go straight into the tunnel back to our home dimension but for some they may linger around their body and the experience they were having if they were really connected to it or died with a lot of unfinished business or in a tragic, bad way. It's all free will. There are some souls who've been lingering around for hundreds and even thousands of years and have become so powerful that they appear as what we perceive or know of as demons. Those are the older, more advanced ghosts who've learned so much by being in ghost form that they can basically do anything. This is why it usually leads to a human who's brave enough to send it on the path back to our home dimension.
>>42650650I can see your point.
>>42642796>>42643529>>42643583From a scientific perspective, there is currently no compelling empirical evidence that reincarnation occurs. Neuroscience consistently shows that consciousness, memory, personality, and identity depend on the brain's structure and activity. Injuries, strokes, tumors, and neurodegenerative diseases can profoundly alter or erase memories, personality, and awareness, indicating that mental life is closely tied to brain function rather than existing independently of it. This view is supported by Anil Seth and Tim Bayne's peer-reviewed review, Theories of Consciousness (Nature Reviews Neuroscience, 2022), which surveys leading scientific theories and explains consciousness through neural processes without requiring an immaterial soul. Although researchers such as Ian Stevenson documented children claiming past-life memories, these reports are case studies rather than controlled experiments and have been criticized for methodological limitations, including suggestion, information leakage, confirmation bias, and memory distortion. Such criticisms are discussed by Champe Ransom in A Critique of Ian Stevenson's Rebirth Research (2015) and Leonard Angel in Is There Adequate Empirical Evidence for Reincarnation? (2015), both of whom conclude that the evidence falls short of scientific standards. Consequently, while reincarnation cannot be conclusively disproven, it has not met the burden of empirical proof required for scientific acceptance and remains a philosophical or religious belief rather than an established scientific fact.
>>42650753No one here is saying consciousness is fully solved or that reincarnation is proven science. The thread is about the idea that reality is consciousness first and that your mind shapes your afterlife experience.Science is great at what the brain does while you’re alive. It’s shit at telling us what happens when the brain stops. NDEs, OBE veridical cases, and the consistency across cultures aren’t “just anecdotes” when thousands of people report the same patterns. Dismissing all of it because it doesn’t fit current materialist models is exactly the closed mindedness /x/ exists to push back against.If you want strict empirical proof, cool, stay in the science threads retard. Here we’re exploring the possibility that consciousness is primary and the afterlife is shaped by what’s in you.The scientism tourist act is tired, retard.
>>42650809I’m not claiming consciousness is “fully solved,” nor am I saying people shouldn’t explore philosophical possibilities. I’m saying there’s an important difference between exploring a possibility and treating it as likely true. Near-death experiences, OBEs, and cross-cultural reports are interesting phenomena, but similarity of reports does not by itself establish that consciousness survives death. Humans across cultures also report similar dreams, hallucinations, religious experiences, and cognitive biases because we share similar brains and psychology. For a claim as extraordinary as consciousness existing independently of the brain, the key question is whether the evidence is independently verifiable, reproducible, and better explained by survival of consciousness than by neurological, psychological, or social factors. So far, the scientific consensus is that this standard has not been met. That isn’t “closed-minded”; it’s the same evidential standard used for any claim about reality. You’re free to explore consciousness-first metaphysics, idealism, or afterlife theories, but those remain philosophical interpretations until they produce evidence that can reliably distinguish them from competing explanations. Yes you're right I should stick to /sci/.
Sooooooo, meditation thread is gone.Will post here something i just got in a meditation session.Besides being in a line between conscious and sub conciousness withot letting myself sleep, i suddely felt wide awake(mentaly, not in body or opening my eyes. Pretty much didnt move a muscle)Then i saw the following.> White dot that was constatly absorbing static and moving white particles as it grew into a burning, like the sun, ball.>That is then consumed by a darkness.>The ball shows up again and it repeats 4 times.Then:>The blackness takes a form of a reverse shaped tear with the light spinning around it in 4 or 5 halos.>It stays like that for a while as finally the halos become bigger and spin more afar from each other and more wildly, like tornados.>The black tear is no more and in its place theres a black dot.>Lots of the tornado things that look kinda like moving white paper.>It finally starts to be focused on a single white point again with the tornado being split in two sides horizontaly, at the edges of the dot and still spinning but seemengly being absorbed by the dot.No idea what it meant, but it was extremely cool.
>>42645700> Literally do you just read the top and not anything else?without a tldr, absofuckinglutely. i read it again and i guess i agree but this whole ‘low effort posting a thread without any context whatsoever’ thing is fucking retarded, and you deserve all the retarded replies you get. your shower-thoughts-as-truths don’t really deserve a second look but i thought i’d give you some honest feedback since you seem genuinely confused. with all the solipsism psyops going you really don’t see all that shit you wrote as a long winded complaint, or like you’re talking to a goddam wall? why post at all? fuck outta here wasting my time with blog posts- if you want discussion you gotta try harder anon
>>42650833>>42650833You to be stuck on “the brain produces consciousness.” That’s not what we’re doing here.The point isn’t to prove survival in a lab. It’s that if consciousness comes first and the body/brain is second and the afterlife is shaped by what’s in you. NDEs, cultural phenomena, and the consistency of reports are data points suggesting the “brain first” model is incomplete.You’re welcome to stay in the scientific consensus camp. But bringing “neuroscience says so” to a consciousness first metaphysics thread is missing the entire discussion. We’re exploring what happens if the brain is not the source.If that doesn’t interest you, /sci/ is right there.>>42650867I’m not entirely sure what you described means either.>>42650871>ah yes smooth brain admits to being a smooth brain.Then why are you still here typing paragraphs?. If what I’m describing isn’t your thing, just ignore the thread. No one’s forcing you to read “shower thoughts.”>not shower thoughts btdubs I’m not confused, I’ve been piecing together this spiritual/metaphysical view for years, really this was me sharing my spiritual view knowing other anons would relate because they too have been on this journey. If you want spoon fed context and zero effort then go back to /tv/ or /pol/.
>>42650907>you seem to be-
>>42650907No idea too, but i was meditating with the concept of Apollo and Dionysius being the same singular god, just two facets of it.The mixture of them is the whole masculine divinity, i think i saw something quite fundamental in there.Overall!!! Nice experience.
>>42650867This could be a stretch but you could’ve seen your awareness expanding, then struggling with the dualities, and then incorporating both?
>>42650928Ah, yeah okay check—-> >>42650936
>>42650936I dont think it was struggling, more so understanding.See, part of this whole ideal is within the framework of zagreus(original Dionysius) death and Apollo is the who take his dismembered body to delphi(his temple) and lay his tomb there too.Apollo is the Logos and Zagreus the ZoeWithin his death apollo, by taking his original body back with him is also preserving the spark of life and infinity even after death.At dionysius rebirth, we never see apollo or dionysius met again directly which comes to my belif that they became one again(mind and body/spirit and infinity/one and all)Which is why delphi, Apollo's temple also worships dionysius in the 3 cold months and where his original body is at too.I think this whole journey in the vision is this path.First logos, Apollo, the first bornThen the zoe, zagreus who dies and comes back(the blackness taking the light again and again)Then they become one(the blackness and the halos)Finally becoming something a new and total at the very ending
>>42650941Also, its a good guess tooI can't be so sure of anything, buuuuut it was a pretty cool experience overall
>>42650962>>42650958You’re right anon, it’s your path so that would mean you’re right, sorry for misinterpreting!Sounds very intense and interesting, I can manage intense dreams and there was this one time I was lying down on my stomach but floating up and looking down at my own back. But it’s important to remember these intense visions are important to each individual’s path.
>>42650907> just ignore the thread.lol you good? i thought your analogy was bad, sue me. then you asked a question, so i answered. you’re right i didn’t have to come back, same way you didn’t have to post your whiny “believe me or don’t” bullshit. and don’t act like you’re not directly addressing personal ghosts - i simply pointed out you don’t need all that to make your point because whoever you’re calling a “retard” in OP isn’t listening anyway. now i said i agree with you, how are going to get what you want and STILL complain? lmao, learn to transcend or go to back to redd*t bitch
>>42650976Oh don't be like that, i am not debating you.I prefer discussing the idea to reach a deeper conclusion
>>42650976Also, yeah it was a pretty interessing experience overall and this whole Apollysian path has been extremely unique for me too.Best wishes for ya
>>42650982Sorry if i came off as hostile or something towards you, what got you started on this path? For me it was me breaking away from the abrahamic belief and just searching for the truth in general where ever i could desu.
>>42651010Not hostile at all, i am just poiting out that you don't need to be scared of saying something wrong, i want to see other peoples takes and visions on this.Also me? Curiosity, always been curious and i am curious in the abrahamic faith or outside itThough my focus has always been what is connected with my blood (so the mediterran vision and thing that happend there. Plus the north descendency they have too)Overall, it always worked for me, which is also why i like books from evola or guenon.
>>42651091Thank you, i wish other anons were as understanding.
>>42642796Goodbye jews!Goodbye planet of the apes!Good morning Emilia!Good morning Alfheim!
>>42652418Cheers to the future For me though, it would be:In my restless dreams, I see that town. Silent Hill.
Morning to y'allMinor the jews, they can explode themselfs
Id rather go to final fantasy universe or some anime realm than shitty abrahamist shit heaven filled w priests who do nothing but talk about and praise jewsus the dead jew on a stick and sing fucking annoying corny ass fucking stupid gospel songs and endlessly repeat worthless bible verses in an infinite iterating zombie loop like some kind of braindamaged robotAbrahamist shitheaven filled with worthless priests captivated by jewsus christs fucking ugly diapered body on a torture device, yeah thats "heaven" If thats your fucking "heaven" i would rather die and cease to exist
>>42654303Don't forget about eternal bowing to the narcistic jewish deity and eternal being in its presence in eternal light - well fire gives light so maybe they are all going to their favourite eternal flames in foreskin demon realm "tortures of love".Those tortured Jesuses on every tomb on cementary are fuking scary. You die and those fuckers put tool iof tortures with tortured man on your grave.Very bad luck dark shit.
>>42654471Yes they are detestable disgusting ugly filthy worthless vile worthless thingsWhen I die, I would like to melt down every goddamned crucifix
>>42654482"Tool of tortures is symbol of love!He died because of you goy!Tortures are love goy!Give us your money and soul!Remember about your debt!!!"Jews are terrifing creatures.
First thing I will se after death.Sweeeeet!
>>42654303>>42654471>>42654482>>42655113I want to say its the belief and the government thats the problem and not the people but in truth they are the issue for prolonging their Saturn cult and the creation of abrahamicism. Christianity started as a heretical side branch and islam started after Christianity. If this one religion didn’t exist, where would we be? Paradise! Maybe still dystopian but paradise still!>>42655861I’m working on something in my head.
>>42645700>the best thing one could do is create their own belief system. nta. my problems are my physical life. only gwtting enough money or dying will solve my problems. no belief system i create changes whats happening to me right here and now, and I'm too terrified to attempt suicide.
>>42656704Suicide should never be the solution, believe me I wanted to do it too. But formulating my own belief system helped me, that being said it may not help you, the current economy is hell…not sure what advice to give there. Usually the solution would be trying to go minimalistic and starting a garden but in today’s economy thats not really a option.>coming from a person with a gardenMaybe you can find hope in knowing societal collapse is coming soon and you wont have to pay bills?
>>42657278To give my own Path.I am trying to join the air force as a pilot and then do engineering later on the career or go to europe and serve there.I think you gotta consider what you "want" as a life and what you would think it is a "good" life rather than "this is stable" or related.Then, see HOW you can do it.Within that all your actions is based on that, see what you have, what you don't, what you can have and what is out of your scope completly.
>>42657410I see your point
>>42657278I have my own perfect moral system.Common sense and ligic is needed to use it in short version below:7 COMMANDMENTS OF THE MORALITY1. You shall not cause suffering or allow for suffering. You shall show compassion and care.2. You shall respect others freedom as long as they are respecting others freedom.3. You shall protect and popularize beauty and aesthetics.4. You shall popularize wisdom and try to be wise.5. You shall protect life.6. You shall protect innocence.7. You shall protect natural environment.Which can be shorten in Eternal Rule of Morality: "Be a good spirit and try to be the best version of yourself."If someone is looking fir moral system, this one is really good.
>>42657486It is indeed good anon
>>42657687Thank you! Thanks to those rules my life is much better and more spiritualy valuable. I can add that I don't care about money (dollar = dolor, which means suffering in latin) and I don't trust any beings delighted with gold. I am standing against suffering wherevere I am. There is good in this world and it is worth fighting for.
Good thread, bump
>You’re the retard who decided to waste your time reading thisno, i don't think i will.
>>42659855Thank you
>>42642796Nothing but delusions on this board.There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, life after death, demons, tulpas, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to live. Reality is both a giant playground for us to explore and progress in, but also an arena for us to fight in for our false ideologies. If you fail at life, you will never find anything to hold on to. No aliens, no haunted houses, no spirits, no demons to fight. You're only fighting with your own delusions, and desperately trying not to hit the absolute bottom. Now try to prove me wrong, if there really is anyone still treating this paranormal shit seriously.
>>42660670If it's not real why does it make you so mad?If we're all just retards who believe in fairytales, leave us be and go on about your business of nothingness. Faggot.
>>42660711The only one mad here is you that your retarded delusions and mysteries are a complete fabrication. Not only are you not a threat to the system due to obvious reasons, but you are actively helping it you retarded golem.
>>42660670Science proofs that you are wrong.Magic is just science we don't understand yet.Paranormal events are science from different time and space.Many things are bullshit but I expirienced enough supernatural events to know that some are real.But in the end your belief or disbelief counts only for you. I know.
>>42661680Prove me that anything expect me is real.Can you prove to yourself that anything expect you is real?Ups.
>>42661680Nta but You’re seething bud, your the retard here for coming in here and trying to argue in a thread discussing a belief system/idea you don’t like. If you don’t like something and disagree with it, simply don’t give it your time or energy you fucking retard.
>>42662008Same here anon, nta actually I’m OP. I’ve seen spirits before, but only a small handful of times and I have seen orbs but in ever a metallic craft, I’ve experienced a small amount of psychic phenomena, nothing substantial but it was enough for me. Aside from those events, I haven’t really experienced anything else and I try not to make large claims about certain phenomena and I’m open to anons giving me psychic readings to prove their point.
>>42662032“In ever>never
>>42661680>Not only are you not a threat to the system due to obvious reasons, That's a bad thing?>but you are actively helping it you retarded golem.And what are you doing? Chastising retards on the internet? Wow, you're a fucking hardcore rebel bro. The system is shaking in their boots at you. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
Afterlife has never looked better!
>>42642796Every kind of spiritual methodology or religion goes over these things in some way, its like an absolute fact because so many say the same thing in different wants. And because of that I can't help but wonder why am I even still here? Surely either path sounds so much better then here? I don't get it at all. I wish some angel would tell me why I can't go and why everyone says suicide is a big no no. I just don't get it.
>>42664340From what I’ve gathered, this life is like the tuto stage. The struggles, the connections, the love and pain…. Well all of it shapes what you take with you. Suicide is seen as a hard no because it’s like rage quitting the tutorial right before the game starts. You drop a massive atomic bomb of grief and guilt on the people who care about you, and on a spiritual level it can leave you carrying that unfinished business into the next phase
>>42664447This is very nice idea, I have similar believes.
>>42664554(A overly caffeinated)Thank you
>>42662008>trust the scienceopinion discarded
This has by far been one of my best threads since my time loop threads, it’s amazing to see how far one can come and develop their beliefs. I really have been working in this for years, it’s only been this past year that I was able to word things out and cement my beliefs. Of course all of that being said something big is still coming our way.
>>42665809Every 4chan cope boils down to the same tired fantasy: something *good* is always just over the horizon. Alien disclosure is coming to earth, Hitler 2.0 rising from the ashes, Jesus descending to smite their enemies, Trump and the globohomo awakening in two weeks, mass genocide solving all their problems, or the magical day when everyone suddenly agrees with their garbage takes.It’s all hopium for losers who can’t deal with the present. Instead of doing anything meaningful, they sit in their digital basements praying for a future that never comes. Every post is just another round of "just wait, you’ll see," while the rest of the world keeps living, laughing, and leaving them behind.The truth? Nothing’s coming. No savior, no reckoning, no mass awakening, no shift in opinions. It’s just endless cope for people too powerless to face reality. The only thing in their future is more disappointment and deep down, they know it.
>>42667512Anons would cancel Hitler and sell him out to the jews for 5 minutes of lol lmaosMossad would barely have to get out of bed to make it happen
>>42667512Ah yes this retarded copy pasta again.you really wrote all that just to seethe at people having a little hope? Some of us are just talking about ideas and possibilities while you’re in the replies crying “nothing ever happens” like a bitter retard.
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>>42642796tldr
>>42671314There isn’t one, learn to read.
>>42642796What is this Silent Hill spirituality lessons?
>>42669262No that's not what would happen. Hitler 2.0 would be mossad. Retarded tradcels would believe he is real.
>>42642796Theres a third option.
>>42642796I have literally been thinking about almost this exact same thing for a few years now. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that so many ITT were also thinking similar things. My version is slightly different in the details but pretty much exactly the same as OP. What do we call this belief? Heavenly Reincarnation?
>>42669271>Nothing ever happens>Then it all happens at onceEVERY, SINGLE, TIME.
>>42671878Interesting, I’d rather create something new put of my own potential rather than inherit something.
The truth is you can obtain this state here and now without dying if you will be a good spirit, try to be the best version of yourself and work on introspection, logic and morality of 7 Pillars: >>42657486
