1. The life review is something one person heard and now every single person repeats it because they think they have to. But if you really analyze it, none of it adds up. 2. All of them, God sounds an awful lot like their own inner voice.3. The afterlife is run by complete morons who are totally incompetent apparently. "Lets show this guy his life review even though he isn't even dead. We just revealed the secrets of the afterlife to him. But whoops. He's not dead."4. These "people" are never able to impart actual knowledge or insight, just vague 'god is love' platitudes5. The reincarnation trap is "our choice" because we "plan out our lives"6. No scientific discoveries brought back from infinity. No predicting the future. Nothing ever tangible.7. Never explore not going into the light
>>42664756I'm becoming more convinced that everything outside of the denser realms (like here) is a more fluid expression of collective conscious/unconscious beliefs and not so much a concrete process and structure like we would want to believe it is.If everything is one and all, it would make sense that "dharma" is inherently fluid in it of itself instead of "fact", right?I also find the contents of what NDEs present (and to a smaller extent, breakthrough drug trips) to be disconcerting as well. My only hope and belief is that it really is just a false sense of structure and order that can be broken by pushing through with the power of divine consciousness.
>>42664756> These "people" are never able to impart actual knowledge or insight, just vague 'god is love' platitudes4 and 7 ain't true. If you had really analyzed Jeff's videos, you'd know that many, many, many of his guests have shared incredibly elaborate stories. but def got infiltrated by glowies
>>42664756>griftOh yeah highly fucking profitable grift, there, arsehole
>>42664814Comforting stories about a love and light afterlife and reincarnating over and over to learn spiritual lessons is profitable, yes.Also consider that grifting isn't always about money, you're paying with your soul.
>>42664826But vaccines are safe and effective....
>>42664826Can we consider your religion a grift?
>>42664756~Jeff Mara~
>>42664756>Why yes, the afterlife as you see it now is totes real! Grandma and your dead dog are all here and all love u!!!>You will spend thousands of years learning all about how the universe really works! But you can't take any of that knowledge with you :^)>You're being sent back to tell others the truth about the all-loving afterlife! But we won't give you a method to prove the afterlife's existence in a replicatable, controlled experiment :^)>And this isn't universal, you only have a 10% chance of having this experience instead of having a complete blackout timeskip, for reasons we will NOT explain :^)>You HAVE to come back to fulfill your mission. What mission? I won't tell you :^)WHY are """""beings of light and love"""""" LIKE this?
NDE is just a bunch of delisional people telling themselves that it's all going to be ok despite them being terrible people, they are actually being too hard on themselves and they are pretty great actually and a great reward awaits them if they keep up being themselves (terrible people)
It's not actually a life review, it's part of the automated reincarnation cycle. It's in disuse and disrepair, I suspect the operators of the machinery have abandoned it some time in the past few decades, I am guessing around early 1980s. Why I don't know. This is why people are more awake then ever before, pretty soon we will all have past life recollection and more
The fact all NDE's are completely subjective and vary massively in content depending on the individuals conditioning is proof enough they are nothing more than dream-like hallucinations. I am most definitely not some materialist chud but NDE's are the worst kind of "proof" of an afterlife
>>42664756I think a lot of these are "you" trying to justify existence as a means of calming yourself down. Many have no clue what being non physical is really like so when they die they try to show themself things they want. Gods and angels and heavens, but at the end of the day because its still themself they can't really give some clear cut flawless answer. I think NDE's aren't proof of the overall substance of what the afterlife is, but that the transition to it from life to death is weird as fuck thing. Like trying to calm down a drug addict seeing shit that no one else around them can.
>>42664756I had a near death experience as a child (died after a bee sting allergic reaction, resuscitated at the hospital). I’ll try to address your points with my perspective!>The life review is something one person heard and now every single person repeats it because they think they have to. But if you really analyze it, none of it adds up.I experienced a “life review,” but an issue in communicating it is the atemporality. It wasn’t actually “flashing before my eyes,” but there’s really no better way to phrase how the experience felt. Perhaps these crass metaphors will communicate it more tangibly: it felt like a seizure, being electrocuted, or huffing petrol>All of them, God sounds an awful lot like their own inner voice.Most people have an inner voice. I don’t (>inb4 npc), so I would describe “God’s voice” as a reification of abstract concepts my mind already contained.>The afterlife is run by complete morons who are totally incompetent apparently. "Let’s show this guy his life review even though he isn't even dead. We just revealed the secrets of the afterlife to him. But whoops. He's not dead."You’re personifying things without reason. It felt more like every neuron was firing simultaneously, which is a very grounded explanation. It’s made me think of death as an infinitely asymptotic experience — approached, not reached.>These "people" are never able to impart actual knowledge or insight, just vague 'god is love' platitudesEffective communication itself requires knowledge that isn’t necessarily impacted by such an experience, obviously. I’ve tried to be accessible with my non-theistic word choices. >The reincarnation trap is "our choice" because we "plan out our lives"Don’t know what you mean by this. I don’t believe in reincarnation. Panpsychist dualism feels more right(Continued..)
>>42667741(Continuing..)>No scientific discoveries brought back from infinity. No predicting the future. Nothing ever tangible.Near death experiences actually have been explored scientifically, though. I’ve read some of the literature, which at one point implicated a massive release of the neurotransmitter serotonin.Also, science is limited to the material, observable world, so there’s no contradiction. Consciousness doesn’t have an explanation, and death is the end of consciousness, definitionally.>Never explore not going into the lightThe light was more like a setting than a location. Imagine the darkness you see when you close your eyes. The light was like an inverse of that. Pure, in its abstract form. Separately, I had a sensation of being “lifted.” In order to help you understand what I mean by that, imagine how you must change your throat to increase the pitch of your voice. Now imagine raising your voice beyond the highest pitch. It felt kind of like that, cerebrally.
>>42667601If we could capture the dreams of mice, would we learn nothing from them? Dismissing NDEs as dreams kind of misses the important fact that dreams are an incredibly interesting process that can be quantified, measured, and compared.>>42667739I’m a non-theist and found my near death experience very clarifying, even grounded in my pragmatic worldview. I think of divinity as abstraction itself: the structure of knowledge. It’s personally accessed, as you note, but the concepts aren’t material. From that non-theistic lens, “angels” are just like Platonic thoughtforms and “god” is just the unknowable highest abstraction in a tree. >>42667272Mine happened to me when I was 2, so I wasn’t really even all that aware of death when it occurred. Perhaps you could just call an NDE a “traumatic experience” in the way that it impacts the way you live, but trauma connotes a negative that isn’t there for me personally. It was an interesting and pleasant experience.
>>42667201Because only Jesus is truly immortal.
>>42667201sucks being on the spectrum innit
>>42667601What if the spirit realm is subjective and tuned to your belief systems and emotions
>>42667201>10% chancePerhaps cuz consciousness is filtered through different neurological and psychological structures. Or perhaps cuz only some personalities translate nonphysical experiences into memory.Or perhaps, and this is the uncomfortable possibility, statistics are incomplete because they come from human reports of extraordinary experiences, not from a census of consciousness.You see all this inconsistency because you assume their goal is to convince you
>even this thread has had multiple near-death experiencesWhat’s your excuse?
>mfw the ignorant ramblings of children who refuse to understand
