>>42676858
Have you considered these are legends passed down from humans who lived beside dinosaurs on a now lost civilization?

>>42676858
>'dinosaurs'
>'scientifically' dating them to "billions of years old"
Science says:
"Dinosaurs lived between 245 million and 66 million years ago. They dominated the Earth for about 165 to 180 million years during a geological era known as the Mesozoic Era."
/smartassmode

Humans back then knew very little about the world. Things could easily be misinterpreted during dark night, poor visibility, shadows, etc. I think this where from the monsters depicted in such paintings originate from - basic human fear of something unknown.

>>42676945
Yes you think this until you realize that even in the 1700s there are sources talking about dragons still being alive and they name specific locations and specific traits and illustrate them in a very detailed way alongside normal animals as if it's nothing.

>>42676934
More like retardassmode

>>42677097
I'm just quoting official sources.
Doesn't mean that I believe it, dumbanon.

>>42676945
You think you know more about the world now than people back in the day because now we have nerds in white coats looking att small things through microscopes and they didn't.

>>42676858
is that a trinoceros?

anyway a while back, some ponders on pachyderms hit me. whatif pachyderms and arguably also whales, correspond to particular reptiles.

elephant = tortoise (brontosaur)
whale = softshell turtle (plesiosaur)
rhinoceros (unicorn) = ceratopsids (chameleons)
hippopotamus = crocodiles

also frogs are apparently the actual literal fish people. and there's a way to forcibly tf them into salamanders. and salamanders are smarter than you'd expect.

>>42677115
I am not saying smarter but compared to now the world was a complete mystery, in all fairness it still is. The human brain is very creative at imagining things. When something is misinterpreted in the shadows it could aswell be thought of a big scary monster.

>>42677038
Do these sources share details. Like are the details consistent between the different sources. I am curious if you could refer me to any source to read for myself.

what if the dinosaurs were around when humans were but also magic and someone performed a cataclysmic spell to protect humanity from these creatures and it ended up causing some time-fractures that instead of banishing these creatures it fossilized them and turned them into million year old relics due to time magic.

I've also wondered if the same thing happened to Antarctica, like a ritual or spell that went wrong and froze the entire land/civilization there,


maybe thats why magic was taken from humans, like some higher beings saw how dangerous humans were using magic so they put some type of lock in our DNA to keep us from using it thats why deep down we all believe magic is real somehow even though theres no real proof

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>>42677205
Honestly, there are so many that it's kind of ridiculous how often you'll see it when you just simply look at any manuscript pre-1800s.
Pic related is a good one because it has a map full of 'dinosaurs' that are labeled and then give you names and descriptions for each
The "Here be Monsters" maps thing is literally just people describing where monstrous creatures (which at the time 'monsters' didn't mean fake) lived in the seas.

But I'll link you a different source in next reply

>>42677205
Here's a source that looks more like modern encyclopedias.
You can read what they have to say about them.

https://archive.org/details/historyoffourfoo00tops/page/701/mode/1up

https://archive.org/details/historyoffourfoo00tops/page/705/mode/1up

There are actually many, many, many more sources throughout all of history
And most of these people are very respectable religious people. the Aberdeen bestiary https://www.abdn.ac.uk/bestiary/
and tons of early travel documents
i've spent like a year on just looking at whtaever old sources I can and it really is like anything ESPECIALLY pre-1500s will consistently have a 'fantastical' creature just casually mentioned as there

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imagine how infuriated old civilizations would be if dragons were real (which I'm 99% certain they were) and a bunch of Redditorlike people today are like "askkchually this rock is 80 millionzz years olddd" and try to use that as proof that everyone of the past were retards and liars.

btw rhinos and tigers are going extinct today so we'll prob get the same treatment in 200 years

>>42677270
At this point I could honestly believe that.
I mean isn't that like sort of similar to the melted cities theory? Unfortunately I haven't read the Bible but isn't there something in the Bible about cities being scorched and people and animals being petrified?

Separately from that, in Ovid's Metamorphesis I believe it is written that "the gods" changed forms and could turn people into stone with their technology.

Also something off to me is how big Alchemy was at some point and like now we barely know/learn anything about it

>>42677270
Which episode of 'Ancient aliens' was this one??

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Another point I'll make is that there are so many weird creatures alive even today (luckily we haven't killed everything off yet) that the more you learn about what exists out there, the more you realize how not-crazy it is for something as simple as: a horse that had a horn on its head. A large flying lizard (we already have TODAY small flying lizards called draco lizards).
here is a mata mata turtle

here is a dragon but smol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewCCwMC46Pk

we killed the big ones and called them fake later.

>>42676858
Well, that might as well be a chimaera, too many predatory features and really, medieval artists knew how to depic beaks if that was a trike.
Yeah, hundreds of millions of years of 'rawr' without any intelligent dino species evolving seems a bit too much but such is life

>>42677122
>frogs are apparently the actual literal fish people.
elaborate?
for full disclosure I've seen enough stuff about hybrids in old books that even that is plausible lol but I don't know what you're drawing from here

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>>42677316
If you want something that IMO looks undeniably like something we call millions of years old, check out this terror bird (attached)
like come on
why would they draw that if it wasn't there
and why does it look so much like what we now know existed at one point in time.
why are we discrediting all of these old sources arrogantly and writing them off as dumb and silly

>>42676858
It doesn't matter what you believe, you are a crazy retard.
Believe the moon is cheese for all I care.
If you actually cared about anything instead of being a functional nihilist, then we could have a conversation.

>>42676858
>other large extinct animals
You mean like dinosaurs.

>>42677273
>baleen
>orca
So the "dinosaurs" are just cetaceans.
>"Here be Monsters"
Was a way to describe an area as unexplored.

So what island is that in your pic? You didnt give ANY detail, despite saying there is so much.

>>42677282
Interesting read but people were wrong about many things back then like tomatoes being poisonous. Topsell was a priest and the book is a compilation from earlier ancient legends.

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>>42677273
that's just a small crop from a much bigger picture. if you want the full picture version it has a full map and you can figure out where that island is and see the other whales he illustrated


here is another illustration of cetaceans. it's what you said, but unironically (that a lot of the big dinos are just cetaceans)
if you have specific questions I'll try to answer in time

>>42677349
oops I meant to reply to you. my reply is here >>42677390

I should specify that the full version of the pic you originally replied to is a totally different source from this >>42677390 Cetaceans pic.

So as for what YOU initially replied to, the full map is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carta_marina#/media/File:Carta_Marina.jpeg

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>>42677389
There's more than that
i'm considering making a video about it.

here is another source-
Mundus Subterranus, where a Jesuit scholar goes underground and describes and illustrates what he finds.
by the way, I would be worried about p r e ser /inving sources because I think info is being slowly tkn (stole Eenn). desu

>>42677390
>you can figure out where that island is
Okay so you've never done this and dont actually know if it's a real island or not.
You know map makers love putting fake islands on their map as a form of copywright, yes?
>a lot of the big dinos are just cetaceans
That's idiotic. Cetaecens have a vestigal hip bone that ISNT reversed. Most dinosaurs have very large hips that are reversed.

>>42677324

Birds do not have tails. Looks more like a massive cockatrice.

>>42677314

>a horse that had a horn on its head

Unicorns were not originally very equine. They had split hooves, a goat like beard, and a lionesque tail.

>>42676858
Things were mixed up. Scientists found dinosaur bones and supposed that they must have looked like giant lizards and dragons, and we kept picturing them like this, while actually they were giant birds.

>>42676945
This. It was swamp gas or weather balloons

>>42677506
1- they've found dinos that buck that trend
2- most dinos they find, they're not going to find the majority of their bones let alone put them together correctly anyway. so I'd rather trust the thousands of sources from the past describing the things in front of them vs some dude trying to keep his fake career

>>42677865
>1- they've found dinos that buck that trend
They always have. Reversed hips are primarily the theropods. Still doesnt equate a vestigal hip that doesnt attach to the spine like in cetaceans.
>I'd rather trust the thousands of sources from the past describing the things in front of them
But we arent looking at that.
We are looking at a drawing of land with some pictures and near them say "Here be beasts" or simply a name like "orca"
>some dude trying to keep his fake career
Hell of a lot easier to fake shit for your career back when you knew people werent ever going to follow your travels.

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>>42677930

>We are looking at a drawing of land with some pictures and near them say "Here be beasts" or simply a name like "orca"
The full map is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carta_marina#/media/File:Carta_Marina.jpeg
it's not a fictional land
the Wikipedia caption on that link says:
"Carta marina, a wallmap of w:Scandinavia. The caption reads : Marine map and Description of the Northern Lands and of their Marvels, most carefully drawn up at Venice in the year 1539 through the generous assistance of the Most Honourable Lord Hieronymo Quirino."

The full map... is from a book by Olaus Magnus that talks about the behaviors and ways of life of the "Northern peoples".
Olaus Magnus: A Description of the Northern Peoples, 1555
if you want to look it up.

And that is not the only source that illustrates and describes these whales.
See pic related


See also:
https://www.davidrumsey.com/blog/2017/11/26/largest-early-world-map-monte-s-10-ft-planisphere-of-1587

Once you start manually looking at old sources, you see repeated creatures throughout so many diff cultures that it really seems more likely that they simply existed and that we're in an ignorance and/or cover-up era.

>>42676858
Yo! Check this out >>>42671975

t, its jewish lies

>>42678174
>>you can figure out where that island is
>Okay so you've never done this and dont actually know if it's a real island or not.
>You know map makers love putting fake islands on their map as a form of copywright, yes?

>>42678436
Bruh
What is this seemingly petty line of argument?
The entire map has the dino looking creatures all around it. Are you going to argue every bit of the geographic portrayal is fake? Why are you fixated on that single island? It's a map of Scandinavia. The map is not thought to be fictional.
I've also posted like 12 sources and this has somehow become an argument about whether or not a single island is fake.

https://apps.lib.umn.edu/bell/map/OLAUS/TOUR/tourd4.html
the entire map is populated with the creatures, so here just on this one section of his map, among Tile you also have Faeroes Islands and thirty-three islands of the Orcades which are also drawn surrounded by the dino whales.

>>42678436
Here's what ChatGPT says specifically about Tile:
>"Tile" (also spelled Thule) appears on 16th-century maps (like the Carta Marina) representing the limits of the known world, often linked to the real-world Norwegian island of Smøla or Iceland.

>>42678220
Thanks, seems very relevant, checking it out.

>>42678644
>What is this seemingly petty line of argument?
Anon said you can look at all the detrails of old maps and they say exactly where these creatures were and what they were like.
So I asked what island it was that they posted - and they cant tell me.
So I am simply going to hound them until they admit their claim has not even been attempted or verified by themselves.
> Are you going to argue every bit of the geographic portrayal is fake?
No, just the fancy illustrations of the monsters, and a few of the islands to catch people trying to profit off his work.
>Why are you fixated on that single island? It's a map of Scandinavia.
Okay.
WHERE in Scandanavia?
WHICH island?
Why cant you answer simple questions like this?
If you cant - just admit that you cant, why try to pretend otherwise?

>>42678665
>representing
So it's a symbol, and not an actual island.
>often linked to the real-world Norwegian island of Smøla
"Often" means it isnnt meant to specifically BE this island.
Now - have YOU actually been there?
Have you checked to see if this map maker was being accurate, or just drawing what other people told him?

This whole thread was about "old depictions are more accurate to life"
How are you testing this without ever going - IN REAL LIFE - to see if its accurate?
you're just replacing one "this is what they told me" with another.

>>42676910
This is possible but much less likely than op’s take
Edgar Cayce talked about a time when humanity killed off giant beasts much bigger than we have today

>>42676945
Humans back then knew much more about their environment than you ever will
Keep typing away while you eat door dash and tells us about a time you never experienced because you read about it on Wikipedia
Kek

>>42681986
He was actually there and wrote his descriptions of his experiences.
The information is readily available for you to look into. I told you the creator of the map, the book it is from, and the name of his book.

>>42683121
>He was actually there
Says him. YOU werent and YOU have no basis for believing him.
You havent even checked to see if the island is real.
Which we now know it isnt.

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I find the explanation for cyclopes even more infuriating. Somehow we're supposed to believe that Greeks were so dumb they thought elephant skulls were cyclopes? The Greeks were in close contact with Egypt for thousands of years, they would have known what elephants were.

>>42684996
Sounds legit

>>42676858
Monsters off time being spawned by evil experiments of magus and ill entitys
Also possible shape shifters

Always carry a good blade on you, never know.

>>42677038
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve dug through some old old encyclopedias and natural histories and such and ones that do mention mythical creatures refer to them as living in some far off area like Asia or India, only for these creatures to never appear in any records from these regions.

I’ve also never seen dragons talked of as animals back in the Middle Ages. They’re almost always the subject of parables or folk stories where they’re treated more like demons made flesh than any actual animal.

If you have sources that refer to dragons as an actual animal from the 1700s or before I would be interested in seeing it.

>>42676858
you can't slay underworld shit btw...
Osiris reconstitutes them cyclical as they balance the underworld commanded by Set established across the universe by RA when he left in 1323 due to all the posts you made in here of whiteoids running amuck in the underworld and attempting to run up to the capstone. Sekhmet fucked the world so hard Ra' had to trick her so it wasn't full destruction.
Bronze/Iron age followed.. plagues and destruction.

Bragging about 1000s of years of isfet inversion has to be the wildest thing a conscious being has ever done.
End result of every post in here ? None of that shit went anyway.. earthquakes/volcanoes/destruction of earth and reconstitution.

The fail safe was always pole flips. So, pat yourselves on the back .. All of the dragons are back thus why its done the way it is in in house of dragons/etc. They can go dormant. they are cyclical. There's no need for them besides at the end of an age and beginning of a new (dragon->phoenix).

Really sucks to be on the wrong side looking back I could imagine.

>>42684996
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Ra
Rhamses 2nd/Set I fought their sorry asses. They simple inverted the story. They lost btw. Later on their lose the 2nd half of their soul (book of the heavenly cow). Gonna be cool crystalizing one of the dumbest attempts to go against the universal order

>>42686061
Huh?

>>42684268
>me when i enter a thread i don't believe anything about just to argue with people.
there HAS to be a better use of your time my guy. value it.

>>42676858
Man, I wish dragons were real (but extinct). I wouldn't want to live in an era they were alive and spotted quite often, using their fire breath on entire cities.
>inb4 some schizo says events like Pompeii were caused by dragons, not volcanoes

>>42676910
Have you considered that:
1. Humans never lived when dinosaurs were alive (no, birds and crocodiles don't count), our ancestors, big in size, would get massacred to extinction long before they developed sapience (Homo sapiens)
2. The dragon myths come from both the folk imagination of what lives in huge caves where sometimes some sounds were heard plus it's possible people were finding dinosaur bones around the world which gave rise to legends about dragons, giants, nephilim, etc.

>>42691688
Some are here to just wallow and entertain with fantasy.
Some of us are here for truth.
I dont like people trying to use "I has teh rael knowledge" as just a way for others to blindly accept some entertaining fantasy.
Either do the work or admit you just want to pretend.

>>42677115
They didn’t have carbon 14 dating. Radioactive decay is a thing that can be measured