Why do so many people claim to be Shinto and Buddhist at the same time? Shintoists believe that Izanagi and Izanami created the world and Buddhist believe that the world is uncreated and infinite.You can't believe both simultaneously. Am I missing sth?
>>42677538They try and larp as Japanese, that's all.
>>42677538Very few people online who claim to be Buddhist actually follow the teachings in any meaningful sense. It's all just vibes and platitudes. Personally, I just roll my eyes and ignore them most of the time.
>>42677538>Izanagi and Izanami created the worldwas it the world or just japan?
>>42677538The mistake people do with buddhism is thinking Buddhist don't believe this or that and miss the point of saying something doesn't have an unchanging independent existence. The world is in a deep sense an illusion, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that we're not experiencing it. Meaning, a tree doesn't spring out of nothing, it's dependent on earth to grow in, water, CO2, nutrients etc. The earth needs to exist in something, we call it space, the universe. The question is what is it that experience this thing we call reality and what is it?
>>42677538>Buddhist believe that the world is uncreated and infiniteThis is not quite correct. Buddhists believe that a beginning and an end cannot be found or observed. The totality of universes may be infinite or "merely" unobservably large. The Buddha only says that in practical and conventional terms it can be considered infinite and beginningless.Now, just like the city you live in was created by some group of people, this planet also can be considered created, and so can this galaxy and this physical universe. In fact all forms of Buddhism have all kinds of creator deities working on different levels of existence. Izanagi and Izanami creating this world we live in is not a problem as long as they themselves are not claimed to be eternal and uncaused. Buddhism does reject the concept of eternal beings as well as creators that are not themselves created by some form of causality.
>>42677550Probably all over the world all places have an adam and eve myth for their ethnicities.Play the game Illusion of time and you will see it's actually about spared villages two of diverse humans in each region surviving the tower of babel quintet expands upon it. izanagi is a town of men and izanami was a town of spared women.It's going to happen again very soon within this century.
>>42677794This. Picrel. (MN 63 cula malukya sutta) >>42677567>>42677549This too
>>42677538>Am I missing sth?Yeah, it's called religious syncretism. It's what humans do. Shinto is an artificial construct meant to remove foreign buddhist elements from the previous freestyle blend of buddhism and native cults that had developed naturally. It didn't work very well though and buddhism still has reign over death and dying.
>>42677567I've personally always wondered if Buddha meant that because the universe is infinite that reality and its consequences are of an illusary significance, that the waking world might as well be a dream as all things are temporal.
claim =! actionI claim to have godlike powers. No I will not prove it to you. I just have it and you have to believe.
>>42677933>claim =! action>I claim to have godlike powers. No I will not prove it to you. I just have it and you have to believe.Even in that scenario what you're claiming should be consistent. You can't claim that Judaism and Buddhism are correct at the same time, because both religion demand you to believe completely different things. Capisce?
>>42677954I can do whatever the fuck I want. I was born as sovereign entity and maintain a complete and total control over my views, beliefs and words. I may contradict myself either willingly or not for one reason or the other and it's perfectly acceptable. Because I'm that good.
>>42677538Shinto is a dead religion. Zen buddhism is the only jap religion with any "legitimacy". Even then, the entire conceit of zen is illigitimizing most of the metaphysics of buddhism so whatever.
>>42677538Gf is Japanese. She just says her religion is Shinto but it’s not something she knew until she learned the term in school. She thought it was just kami and shrines and stuff. Doesn’t know shit about the gods or myths except the most famous ones. Doesn’t know the mythological or historical origins of Japan because she doesn’t care about history. Just visits shrines because her family does on holidays and it feels nice to do it alone occasionally. She says it feels good for your soul, and admitted that it’s probably just a mental trick but doesn’t care because it works.With regards to Buddhism, she doesn’t call herself Buddhist because Buddhist means people like her crazy childhood neighbors who chanted mantras so loud she could hear them while walking past the house. Also doesn’t know shit about Buddhism, but says the Buddha showed up in her dreams multiple times when she was feeling stressed, so there’s a decent chance it’s legit. And she doesn’t care much about the afterlife but thinks it’s probably real because spirits exist. Her grandma’s spirit visits her mom and tells her to pray at her grave, which she takes very seriously. I have asked her how it makes sense that these things like ancestor spirits watching you and cycles of rebirth fit together, but she says she just doesn’t really think about it that much.I get the vibe that it’s like that for most Japanese people. They don’t think about it that hard and just go by feelings and tradition. You get Shinto priests to bless your house, and Buddhist monks to do funerals. Then there are some people who get really into it though, and they tend to believe one and not care so much about the other.
>>42678402So essentially just someone who grew up in a church and did their sacraments but hasn't gone to mass in eight years, kind of thing?
>>42678402This. In fact neither Shinto nor Buddhism are religions in the Western sense, and if you look hard enough, neither are the Western religions: the idea of a religious sect is barely 500 years old and determined primarily by the politics of the age in which it was conceived. Humanity naturally goes by feelings and tradition whether intensely devout or lukewarm.
>>42677538"Buddhism" is a vague umbrella term made up by western academics to describe the many ways in which Hindu ideas cross-pollinated with traditional spiritual practices in the far east.
>>42677538>Am I missing sth?Yes. Things like "relative truth vs absolute truth", and "context", and "not all buddhists believe the same thing", and "myths might contain elements of truth in them even if not absolutely true".So to put this in a practical context, a Japanese person can have personal experience praying to kami and seeing results, so he believes the spirits are real and take an active interest in his affairs, but doesn't take every mythological story as absolute truth. And the same mindset can be applied to buddhism, where you adopt some of it, and reject other parts.
>>42678485Can you go more in dept about that anon.
>>42679739literally none of those are correct.your gish gallop is as easily dismissed as it was shit out.
>>42677538I'm sad I wasn't born Japanese because animism just makes sense to me as a belief system. And I hate that I'm essentially a homeless animist because most animist systems require you to be born into the tradition
>>42681017NTA and I ain't Japanese but OP begins with a false premise and anyone who points it out so far has been ridiculed because there's most likely bad agents ITT who make these threads to shill against anything that's not (((Abrahamism))). It starts by running with:>Shintoists believe that Izanagi and Izanami created the worldWhich isn't true, Shinto is a varied belief system without any one creed or canon. That's one story among countless others who attributed various parts of cosmology to various local takes on phenomenon like rain or the sun.Shinto isn't a unified belief system and not all believers treat the kami as literal beings. Those that do make it look similar to the Greek's concept of daimones present in every part of nature. Kami weren't gods in the western sense but those who were equated with important parts of nature were seen as spirits which everyday humans, or royals, or certain groups should interact with (honor, and petition) to live in harmony with nature and prosper alongside the nature spirits. Buddhism and Shinto are compatible because just about anything's compatible with a passive servile religion (as shills of Abraham know lol.)
>>42681157modern japanese aren't even animist, the only thing they worship is cartoon pre-pubescent pussyif you were japanese your tradition would be filling your bedroom walls with moeshit posters
>>42677538Because buddhists are preachers and want to infect every other way of thinking with their own.
>>42677550>>42677837It’s explicitly written that they just made the landmass of Japan. Not even Hokkaido, just the southern part and some other islands. But also it’s written that the world didn’t have a definite shape before they shaped it, so the creation of other places is simply left ambiguous. At the time the myths were written in the imperial records Japan definitely knew about and had close contact with China and the Korean kingdoms so this was probably intentional. It defines the extent of the emperor’s authority. That sort of thing tends to happen with “canon” myths, which is why I don’t like taking them at face value. They’re always being manipulated by the guy writing them down.Also, Izanagi and Izanami aren’t even the oldest gods in Shinto. There’s a whole tree of gods before them dating back to the separation of primordial chaos into the physical universe (or darkness/light or yin/yang depending on which record you’re reading).
>>42681865okay but it's still embedded in their culture, just like most western atheists can't avoid making Abrahamic assumptionsI feel like an alien because my mind doesn't like working on western Abrahamic metaphysics even though I am white
>>42677538I have never once seen or heard of anyone who claims they're both. Where are you getting this info from?
>>42683111>just the southern part and some other islands. But also it’s written that the world didn’t have a definite shape before they shaped it, so the creation of other places is simply left ambiguousI love this so much. Its so shameless. "yeah the most powerful gods in our personal ethnic religion created our personal ethnic enclave but also everywhere else but it wasn't as cool when they made us"
>>42685791I think he might be referring to the combination of rituals and the overall synthesis of local Shinto belief with Buddhism. Truthfully most Japanese people are not religious, and can best be described as agnostic until performing local rituals.
>>42687814I think the official narrative was mostly about asserting the emperor’s legitimacy over Japan through divine lineage while leaving room for other countries they wanted good relations with (mainly China) to have their own national mythologies for their own lands without directly contradicting it. That’s why it’s weird.Anyway, here is a a map of the territories they gave birth to based on the nihon shoki version
>>42677538Because unlike in abrahamic religions, one does not exclude the other. Except maybe with priests and monks.
>>42681865>if you were japanese your tradition would be filling your bedroom walls with moeshit postersThis has to be a troll post. Why are you projecting so much?Most japs don't even watch anime. Sure, most people from the outside world assume they watch anime because it is one of the reasons they are popular, but most of them just know of it because japanese people love watching T.V. They are casual watchers at best and don't buy anime shit like what you are talking about.You are mistaking weebs with japanese people.Stop being racist.
>>42692330>Most japs don't even watch anime.Polls disagree with you. Even the lowest one has 1/3 (35-40%) of Japan's population regularly enjoying anime. Those polls have the US at around 27-30%, so slightly less.I can also find polls saying upwards of 75% of Japan watches anime, with the US below that at 70%.Can you show me ANY poll of percentage of population watching anime that has Japan LOWER than the US?
>>42678402Your gf sounds profoundly stupid
