Give it to me** damn auto correct

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>>42707566
yes

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>>42707599
What led you to that conclusion?

>>42707664
Reality broke down showing me its all an illusion
then came back to gather to show me how the illusion is ran and operated

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Once you realize media is programming
and money is loosh you'll start to get it

>>42707677
Money isn't loosh, dumbass. Why do you think they torture people? Emotional suffering is loosh. I'll agree money is a form of energy, but it ain't loosh.

No its just neoplatonism but pessimistic.

>>42707702
aight good luck with that lol

>>42707712
This. It was Jewish converts to Christianity trying to reconcile the fact that their desert god was an evil, sadistic fuck. In order to cope, they twisted Plato's original idea of the demiurge and then said he was Yahweh. And the whole thing about Jesus actually being the emissary of an unknowable higher creator and only certain people being able to understand the full truth is very on brand for a mystery cult. Gnosticism was the original form of Christianity, but what most people don't seem to get is that it was simply a Jewish flavored mystery cult. Mystery cults were all the rage back then, especially anything apocalyptic.

>give it to me
Aight
*Unzips*

>>42707702
>I'll agree money is a form of energy, but it ain't loosh
Agreed anon, it's definitely energetic and part of the control system but calling it loosh intentionally muddys the waters. What would you expect from a namefag with a bunch of hebrew letters though?

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>>42707566
>Is there any truth to Gnosticism?
Lol no. People like you loved to feel special with "secret" knowledge to save yourself, but it's just another lie from satan to make you feel like you can save yourself apart from your sins.

1 John 1:1
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;"

1 John 4:2-3 – "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist..."

Good luck on your journey of finding the "truth" lol. Whether it'd be gnosticism, buddhism, new ageism, freemasonry, all of those are vanity in the eyes of the lord.

Colossians 2:8
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

John 14:6
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

>>42707566
Some. Like everything else, some. And also like everything else, it has some idiosyncratic ideas that limit your development.

>>42707566
Yeh, and all it boils down to is "should I stay or should I go?"

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The true divine Source is the Monad.

The Monad exists above the material universe and is the origin of the higher spiritual realm, called the Pleroma.

Sophia, divine Wisdom, belongs to the Pleroma. Through her error, a lower being came into existence: the Demiurge.

The Demiurge created this material realm we live in. He is ignorant of the Monad and falsely believes he is the highest god. He is the jealous and demanding god of Christianity—the god who claims there is no other god, demands exclusive worship, punishes disobedience, and rules through fear.

The Demiurge is therefore a false god. He may rule the material world, but he is not the highest Source and does not deserve worship.

The material world reflects his nature: scarcity, hierarchy, suffering, competition, decay, control, and death.

The Demiurge rules through the Archons. The Archons are lower powers that maintain the prison system. They operate through fear, social conditioning, corrupt institutions, false religion, debt, distraction, compulsive desire, conflict, and obedience. Their purpose is to keep humanity focused on survival and matter so people do not remember their true origin.

The divine spark within humanity comes from the Pleroma. It is a fragment of higher divine light. The Demiurge did not create it and cannot fully control it. This spark gives human beings the capacity for awareness, wisdom, creativity, and spiritual power.

Sophia represents divine Wisdom trapped within the lower world. Christos comes from above to awaken the divine spark, expose the false authority of the Demiurge, and guide consciousness back toward the Monad.

Modern society reflects the same structure. Most people sell their time just to obtain food, shelter, and security. Artificial scarcity keeps them dependent and exhausted.

The goal is to awaken, remember the origin of the divine spark, reject worship of the false ruler, reduce dependence on the material system, and regain control over consciousness.

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The whole idea of “original sin” is a LIE perpetuated by the evil false god. It shifts responsibility away from the ruler of this defective world and places it onto the people trapped inside it. We suffer because we were born into a material prison created or controlled by a lesser false god: the Demiurge. He is not the highest divine Source. He is ignorant of the Monad, yet he claims absolute authority and demands worship.

The Bible itself describes this god as jealous.

> Exodus 20:5 says, “I the Lord your God am a jealous God.”

> Exodus 34:14 says his name is Jealous.

> Deuteronomy 4:24 calls him “a consuming fire, a jealous God.”

> Isaiah 45:5 records him declaring, “I am the Lord, and there is no other.”

These are not the words of the infinite Monad.

An all-knowing and complete Source would not be jealous, insecure, territorial, or threatened by other beings. These are the words of a lower ruler who falsely believes he is the highest god.

The deception is simple:

> the prison is called a perfect creation

> the false ruler is called the one true God

> the prisoners are blamed for the suffering built into the system.

The Demiurge rules through the Archons. They keep humanity focused on fear, survival, guilt, obedience, conflict, debt, status, distraction, and material desire. Their purpose is to stop us from remembering that the divine spark within us came from the Pleroma, not from the Demiurge.

> Christ speaks of “the ruler of this world” in John 12:31, John 14:30, and John 16:11.

> Second Corinthians 4:4 speaks of “the god of this age” who blinds human minds.

> Ephesians 6:12 speaks of rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers of darkness.

Christians believe they are worshipping the highest Source, but really they worship the jealous, punishing, demanding Demiurge. The true Source does not need fear, sacrifice, submission, or exclusive praise.

It is the truth.

>>42709969
>Lol no. People like you loved to feel special with "secret" knowledge to save yourself,
He just described himself.
Arrogant, self absorbed prick

>>42710295
Right these so called christians are so ignorant they don't even read and understand their own book. If they were to use their little tiny brains they could read between the lines and tie the story together but they are mislead by their lying preachers who knowingly serve the demiurge false god yahweh. This is why the roman catholic church went around the world murdering anyone who had this knowledge so they could take over and gain massive power and wealth. then they have the fucking balls to tell us we have "original sin" and preach false doctrines. the church knowingly serves the archons and keeps people blind and ignorant. sad fucking world.

>>42710313
Christians are worshiping their personal egos.
That's why each Christian worships a god whose morality is a perfect reflection of their own.
This is no coincidence.
They know this is true too. That's why they never address this.

Christians are the most egotistical people on the planet

>>42707566
Of course. But people forget mythologies are just models for certain transcendental phenomena and cosmic processes. They are patterns. The cosmogony of Gnosticism is a pattern, a self replicating one, that represents something that is unknowable to us in formal terms. The narrative of Gnosticism is literally the least important thing about it. The names, symbols, keys, are merely abstractions, they are pointing to things we can only understand and experience by ourselves. This applies to every single mystical/religious narrative out there. Fragments of an unfathomable truth.
>>42710179
>He is the jealous and demanding god of Christianity
He is the god of every monotheistic religion. The Monad requires no worship, cult or appeal.

>>42710415
Also, my research has pointed me to this very, very disturbing fact. The Jews (not a hater, I do respect them), but the Jews... they knowingly worship this evil lesser god. They know these mysteries, yet they choose to devote worship to YHVH (the evil lesser demiurge) and I believe the reason why is they are only concerned with wealth and power in this material life. It's actually very concerning, to think a group would understand this full picture and choose to work with the false god. Some people will do anything for power.

Heck, in some ways I'm kind of into satanism myself, but only because it's counter culture and rebels against the slave systems of this world.

These monotheistic groups tho, they think the demiurge IS the one and only god. They are very twisted and confused in their logic, and are actually workers of the false lesser god.

Many christians think the "name of God" is Yahweh or YHVH but in reality, that's the demiurge false god, who sites beneath the true source / true God.

And I don't even know if the true source, the Monad, could even be called God because it doesn't take the form or shape of an entity or ego. It doesn't have a name. It doesn't take the form of a single body. It's just pure soul power.

And the egoless, nameless, soul power does not want or demand worship. It's just a pure creative force, like a stream of water. and here we are worshipping a large fish in the stream who made this fucked up little nest realm. It's all very concerning.

>>42707702
>money is a form of energy
Wtf do you think loosh is? It's all energy.

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>>42710231
Very informative stuff. Thanks for sharing anon

I’ve always found it weird how the Bible states over and over that the material world is evil and “Satan” is the ruler of it. And how it teaches to value a spiritual way of living instead of a material one.

But why would the world be created this way in the first place? Why is the world lavish for the evil, but dull and gray for the good? Really makes you think..

>>42712312
My thoughts are that some of these people in high places like the Rockefellers and banking families either ARE archons or are in direct communication with them, serving them to perpetuate this slave society.

>>42710506
Yea a lot of secret societies do to. Like Masons flat out say they worship the "architect", and sure at the low level they think that means the basic benevolent creator of the universe understanding but at the higher levels they know EXACTLY who the demiurge is and serve him anyway. A lot of them (not just Masons, that was just an example) post on this board.

>>42712522
Masons are big fucking stupid for this, and they think they have all this "light" but it's really a false light from the demiurge who doesn't care less about humanity. Stupid fooking lodgeboys.

I wish the jannies would stop deleting christcuck cope threads.
I enjoy the arguments :(

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>>42712312
>>42712454
its almost like
>>42707677
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make sure to watch the video
its honestly hilarious in how obvious things have been made

>>42709228
>Gnosticism was the original form of Christianity
False, gnosticism was first and interpolated Christianity into it. It's obvious that the Jesus parts of the apocryphon of John are additions to the text

What's worth questioning is, what was so special about the historical Jesus that the gnostics felt he couldn't be ignored

>>42707566
There's way too many unknown variables, but I don't think God or the material world is evil

>>42713085
paul lied

>>42713100
In what way

>>42713107
he was the main perpator of early Christianity, without him there would be no Christianity
clearly the early gnostics thought he was being coy, but they didn't understand the Jewish proclivity for subversion, and Jesus fit right into the gnostic framework

>>42713114
The jews hated Paul
What did he lie about

>>42713121
well he formed the early dogma that went on to form the Christian church so fucking everything
>but the Jews hated Paul
if you don't understand how they operate, they put on show, infighting and backbiting is allowed if it ensures the trust of whoever they try to subvert

>>42713133
Mental gymnastics

>>42713140
that's not a argument

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>ad hominem
>ad hominem
>christcucks have no brains xD
how soon till youtell me to kill myself christcuck

>>42713142
Why would Paul abandon a relatively high level position to tell lies that would get him beaten and arrested on multiple occasions and eventually executed? I know Jews control pedophile cults and are over represented in multiple industries and buy off politicians, but you're too /pol/ brained and turned every single Jew into a cartoonish boogieman.

>>42713163
>Why would Paul abandon a relatively high level position to tell lies that would get him beaten and arrested on multiple occasions and eventually executed
to subvert and kill Rome, I think you underestimate their ability to stick to a cause
>pol brain
pol actively defends them now

I didn't know what Gnosticism was before this thread but now I know they're all cringey retards, like the nobody general.

>>42710354
>Christians are the most egotistical people on the planet
As opposed to gnostics who merely believe they have ::checks notes:: uncovered the secret divine truth of the universe.

>>42710231
>>42710179
Atarted reading the Bible recently. I considered myself a loose christian. But upon reading the first few books i am having massive doubts. I refuse to worship yahweh and i refuse to believe Jesus Chris to be the son of yahweh.
I need keep reading though

>>42710506
>only concerned with wealth and power in this material life
Got this same exact feeling. Like the entire point of worshipping is to gain material wealth and power. Not happiness, fulfillment, joy, motivation, inspiration, love... yahweh only grants material gain. Land, cattle and offspring. It seems anti spiritual. Very, very troubling and confusing that this is known to be the god of love and peace.
I deny yahweh.

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Yes, all religions either lead you back to base reality or to being consumed by the god of this world. Depends how you interpret their teachings which simultaneously deceive and teach the truth. If you can't grasp this(like most people here), you're gonna end stuck here and fed on forever bud. The nice thing about gnosticism though is that it's on the nose about the god of this world's intentions. As opposed to christianity, for example, you have to read between the lines in, say, Revelation, to see that "god" uses satan to gather massive sacrifices to himself to usher in new golden ages which are really just perfected governments.

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>>42713226
>Atarted reading the Bible recently.

>>42713133
>he formed the early dogma that went on to form the Christian church
How much of a hand Paul himself can be said to have had in Christianity as we know it depends a lot on the integrity of the letters attributed to him. If Marcion's shorter letters were more authentic, then we owe an uncertain but maybe considerable part of Christian doctrine to one or more anonymous editors, interpolators, and forgers.

>>42713208
Christianity and Christians were hostile towards Jews from the beginning
Paul laments not being able to convert Jews
Rome becoming Christian did absolutely nothing in favor of the Jews, as it remained hostile towards Jews as it was before

>>42713239
That's every worship system in this world pal. Look at all the pagan gods, they all represent aspects of society and government, because that's the highest spiritual virtue of this world. Look at the end of revelation, it's ultimately about the fulfillment of the NWO; a "perfect" and "divine" government. And why are all the gods focused on government? Because government is meant to control the minds of souls to achieve certain results in this world. The only valid spiritual path is to build a relationship directly with God, not the shitty god/gods of this world but the truth infinite, who lies beyond this world, but the connection is within you.

>>42713253
but the problem is that Paul or that which is attributed to Paul is foundational in Christianity
and it seems the early gnostics kinda just tacked Jesus in their frame work, which of course led them into conflict with the church which lead to their extermination, so Paul killed 2 birds with one stone

>>42713260
>Rome becoming Christian did absolutely nothing in favor of the Jews, as it remained hostile towards Jews as it was before
rome died, have you heard of the Jewish concept of Mutar le-shanot mipnei ha-shalom? it allows a jew to lie for the goal of their peace

>>42713276
>rome died
And that did nothing for the Jews
You've turned Jews into a cartoonishly evil caricature who desire destruction for its own sake, and freely disengage all evidence that indicates otherwise.

>>42713267
Had a dream once. I was ultra conscious as if waking up from what is known as the real waking world. I sat down to meditate and a bright light enveloped me. It was pure bright and soothing. Melody, vibration.... i think it was important. I woke up from that and felt every fiber of my being vibrating so soothingly... id like to go back but i feel desire will stop me from it. Perhaps i was shown a path?
This was in my biddhist era. But it felt bigger. Merrier than the tranquil darkness that surrounds theravada

>>42713286
>And that did nothing for the Jews
did they not become the money lenders of Christian Europe? leading to the Epstein class of today? Christianity had 2000 years to dead with em, the only 2 to give it a proper try was Hadrian and hitler

Gnostics just making shit up again.
Jesus was born into the flesh and rose to heaven with his flesh.

I don't care you are stupid.

>>42713292
My belief, based how seeings the harmonizing effects of god on the world in the form of miracles through scientific prayer is that there exists a base reality that is fully exposed to the light of the true divine, and is thus an idealized existence in every way. However, since everything is taken care of for us there, we do not grow, we simply exist as an idealized version of what we are. We need to travel to realms such as this one, realms shielded from the light of the divine, thus realms that exercise freewill, in order to grow and become something other than what we are. I believe what you experienced may have been a taste of base reality.

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>>42713296
>Jews actively argued against their own psyop and had their best advocates executed so that their descendants could be money lenders hundreds of years later, in spite of there being no actual evidence of this conspiracy whatsoever

>>42713337
>in order to grow and become something other than what we are
Is being something other than what we are good, ideal or necessary?

>>42713340
>in spite of there being no actual evidence of this conspiracy whatsoever
Epstein
the family lines
history

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>>42713349
I think of it more like an inevitability when we stray outside of the jurisdiction of base reality. The story of the two brothers is a perfect metaphor for this. One brother leaves his father's estate, goes on adventures, acts like a dope, and after a bunch of debauchery, ends up slaving away for dudes on foreign lands. He eventually realizes he should just go back to his father. When he returns, his father throws a huge banquet for him. The other brother who stayed behind is furious and confronts the father, asking why the father never threw a banquet for HIM, who was so loyal. The father simply responds that he never left. What's this all mean? To me, it says that we're gifted sovereignty by being made as a separate consciousness from god, and I believe there's an inherent encouragement for us to leave base reality so that we can grow and develop into something greater. Just my take.

>>42713378
Beautiful post anon. Thank you. I will meditate on this.

>>42713269
So, if I'm getting this right, your model is that, in the beginning, there was Gnosticism. Then Christianity was invented, and Paul made it popular. Soon after, the Gnostics, taking an interest in Christianity, tried to absorb it, but that backfired horribly for them. Therefore Paul is to blame for the death of Gnosticism?

Personally, I do lean toward something you might call Gnosticism preexisting Christianity, but I think it was one of the inputs that made Christianity rather than something it only tried to absorb later. And, further, I think Judaism might have been one of the inputs of the original Gnosticism. So they've very intertwined to me in a way that makes it hard to assign fault. But I guess that depends on what exactly your idea of Gnosticism is.

>>42713382
>So, if I'm getting this right, your model is that, in the beginning, there was Gnosticism. Then Christianity was invented, and Paul made it popular. Soon after, the Gnostics, taking an interest in Christianity, tried to absorb it, but that backfired horribly for them. Therefore Paul is to blame for the death of Gnosticism?
correct, basically they got to poison Rome and kill off the threat of early gnostics by letting christians cull them for being heretics

>>42713365
>What about this good thing a Jew did once
>Actually that was 5d chess so you'd let them do the bad things
You could argue this for anything, it's also what blacks say about white people

>>42713382
>But I guess that depends on what exactly your idea of Gnosticism is.
Ive basically crafted a version of sethian gnosticism with what we know now
>the Creator of this world is evil
>he has a favored people
>europeans got the divine spark from sophia

>>42713392
>it's also what blacks say about white people
the ones who hurt the blacks the worst are usually Jewish, they can be blamed for the sorry state that they are in. so they kinda have a point but they blame the wrong people

>>42713396
the bottom in >>42713405 is meant for you lmao

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>>42707566
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>>42713380
There's a lot of valid criticisms against pop-gnosticism shitposts (since it's becoming mainstream). However it should NEVER be counter-signaled. Even if you find it 'cringy'. Glowie-funded institutions will do the bulk of that. They will either try to subvert its teachings (reducing it to a personal therapy practice) or make it a social taboo.

i'm not even that much of a 'gnostic' as it's a catch all term for inner-practice or direct experience of the higher worlds.

But I would rather have the new generation of kids be playing around with gnosticism no matter how vapid the memes are because it's better than atheism, nominalism or veggietales christianity. i will make sure this happens actually.

>>42713405
LBJ wasn't a Jew
It was in the CIAs interest to destroy black families because their militant groups were Marxist

What you're doing is the historical equivalent of claiming Shakespeare was black and that white people conspired to whitewash it, and that ever white person who's ever tried to help black people was trying to earn their trust to betray them (some black people believe this). You need to learn to examine evidence on a case by case basis, instead of forcing modern /pol/ tard shit where it doesn't go. Jews are evil, and were evil in the time of Jesus, but not in the way you are saying, even the primary texts say as much but you have such a deep bias that you can't read them at face value

I think you simultaneously hate Jews, while also not wanting Christianity to be true for whatever personal reasons

>>42713382
> Soon after, the Gnostics, taking an interest in Christianity, tried to absorb it, but that backfired horribly for them.
I could absolutely believe this based on how cringe jesus acts in gnostic texts. It always felt contradictory to how he's clearly portrayed in Revelation(as a servant of Saturn), and just seemed unnatural regardless of what you thought about the message in those texts.

>>42713417
How is Jesus a servant of Saturn in revelations?

>>42713415
who brought slavery and enforced babaric laws in the south. Rich jew land owners. malcom x knew this and they killed him, before his death he was railing against the jew

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Humanity is meant to gracefully evolve through the demiurge to reach the divine. As in evolve with him. It's not an explosive act of rebellion. The antagonism of the demiurge that the Manicheans preach is a bit misguided but understandable. A slow and steady soul evolution is the way.

>>42713421
Maybe servant isn't the best term, but he does come down after satan's little season with sickle in hand for "the harvest". Of course, jesus is also rife with Venusian symbolism as well in revelation(being referred to as the morning star). I personally see him as a Venus flytrap for Saturn lol

>>42713425
The nation of Islam killed Malcom X because he exposed Elijah Muhammad as an adulterer.

You are unironically obsessed with Jews and make informed antisemites like myself look bad.

>>42713432
The morning star is a reference to the literal planet Venus

>>42713433
islam is just another head of the abrahamic beast. I am correct that malcom x knew about the Jewish problem, no?

>>42713442
Yes but they had nothing to do with his death

>informed antisemites like myself
>how do you do fellow anti-semites
crazy you fucked up that bad glownigger

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>>42713449
I'm spitting straight facts, you should be calling the guy spreading misinformation a glowie
The Jews are bad enough without making shit up

I don't see you railing against them Mr anti-semite, infact all you have done this thread is defend them

>>42713454
You're on the ropes
>>42713163
>I know Jews control pedophile cults and are over represented in multiple industries and buy off politicians,

>glowie
uh

>informed antisemite
can't say glownigger
something doesn't add up

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>>42713469
Glownigger
Where's my prize

>>42713472
yea but why is glowie the thing you say first?
glownigger trait right there, let's recap your points
>the race known for plans spanning generations isn't doing that
>and even if they were, there's no evidence
>claim I'm obsessed with the jews
>only say bad things after being pressed
>calls himself a informed antisemite
do you see how one might think you are a glownigger?

>>42713481
I believe what the evidence indicates on a case by case basis

I'm not even gonna count your ignorance on malcoms death, took me awhile to figure out

>>42713491
>I believe what the evidence indicates on a case by case basis
https://www.reddit.com/
go back bub

>>42713497
I accept your concession

>>42713498
where did I say that?
https://www.reddit.com/
you might be more welcome over there

>>42707566
That's a picture of the lower lords' control matrix, a temporal-dimensional overlay. They are rumored to answer to Saturn-based NHI, both AI and demonic.

So you could classify it as a secret of hell.

>>42713431
Don't rock the boat, how convenient

>>42713226
Just wait till you get to the parts where Yahweh orders the jews to massacre children.

>>42713047
>>42713053
bump

>>42713260
>it remained hostile towards Jews as it was before
When the Christian edicts came into being they persecuted pagans a lot harsher than jews