You either have a tyrannical despot (Abrahamic) or some variety of a group of the same (Classical polytheism) or some bureaucratic mechanism (karmic) designed by some tyrant in charge of delivering justice. You have no recourse and are forced into a subordinate position within some political system of spiritual law and order of which you cannot verify the worthiness of the authority figures or the integrity of their operations. There is no safeguard against despotic whims: tyranny. Just the gross assumption (despite all evidence to the contrary) that that these systems are somehow perfect in execution and judgement. You could also experience a denial of grievances. Perhaps what you feel was wrong the system does not. Again you have no recourse. You either have total tyranny or total anarchy. This is the end result of the folly of there being a multiplicity of beings.
No gods no masters
I'm leaning towards believing that the new age concepts of resonance and vibration are pretty much the truth.Like material physics applied to non physical phenomena, or consciously experiential phenomena.Also, when you say there is no safeguard against despotic whims, I disagree.That whole do to others as you would have them do to you is kind of a consequence of that stuff
>>42708766>You either have total tyranny or total anarchy.Both at the same time. The way you defeat the tyrant is love and serve Him, and thus He becomes your slave.But the REAL reason there can be no justice is because there can be no injury.
>>42708906If every cell in your body vibrated at the speed of light youd explode with the force of 31 tsar bombas.
>>42708987##Did you have a typo in there or something? Being his slave makes him my slave. Lmao what? I don’t want slaves. I don’t want masters. >>42708906##I kind of agree. What is the astral but the material of another realm? They say as above so below, so a lot of shit probably translates. It’s all part of the same system. Golden rule is cool and all but what happens when you’re dealing with those who don’t give a damn?
>>42708987##Also what do you mean there can be no injury?It sounds like you’re just ignoring the problem as a coping mechanism.
>>42709044>Golden rule is cool and all but what happens when you’re dealing with those who don’t give a damn?It all depends, some people act destructively because they are ignorant, others because they're backed into a corner and want to lash out, etc. It all depends on the situation, in my opinion.If you're dealing with someone who knows all this stuff but willingly gives themselves over to their appetites, best case scenario is to just not be food for them.
>>42709068##Other people (more than one total being) were the worst invention ever. I just want to go be alone.
>>42709112If that were true, you would leave and stop posting.Replying anything at all only shows you are a liar that is actively bringing more voices into their existence.
>>42709112>Other people (more than one total being) were the worst invention ever. I just want to go be alone.Being alone completely is lame. Downtime is good, in my opinion. But being completely alone, is the ways that I have experienced it, is really bad for your health.
>>42709112It's not other people per se that are the problem, it's how shitty they are, particularly in regards to finding a lover (not gender or sexuality type specific).
>>42709163##Perhaps you’re right and I’ve been disingenuous in using them as a cheap form of entertainment. >>42709194##I don’t know what you mean by health. It was probably just your being weak on some level.
>>42709221>I don’t know what you mean by healthA human body has needs, like food, shelter, and even relationships. What I lack in human relationships, I supplement with my animist belief system.I was weak, and I adapted accordingly
>>42709212##No it’s the concept not the execution. In conjunction with resource scarcity they become pointless competition. In any sense they are a liability. Wanting a “lover” is just something an incomplete and unsatisfied with themself person wants to never improve. Why would you ever even want that shit?
Karma doesn't exist. The strong take from the weak. The weak either take it in the ass or evolve into parasites.
>>42709241##Biological insecurities like food are one thing and even then a total load of shit to have to bother with. A need for other people is 100% in your head. Other people are like women and niggers. The more experience the more you hate them, the less the more you like them.
>>42709247>A need for other people is 100% in your head.I wouldn't phrase it as a need for people.More like a desire, or an understanding that energetic exchange is necessary for the continuation of life.Now, I could be wrong, but anytime I've isolated 100% in all forms, I spiral in a manner that needs disruption. Relationships could be seen a form of disruption in this spiral, and are often beneficial for my development and well being. Also, from the perspective of my developing belief system, the relationships being mutually beneficial is even better.
>>42709247Humans are social creatures, everyone needs someone. Unfortunately, if you weren't meant for human companionship, it's probably cause you're a reject.
>>42709242>Wanting a “lover” is just something an incomplete and unsatisfied with themself person wants to never improve.That's not the reason.
Sounds like the basis of the Shin Megami Tensei games
>>42709270Just because something isn't a 100% you will die if you don't get it kinda thing like oxygen doesn't mean something doesn't qualify as a "need". People really ought to read up on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
True justice will return only in the reign of the black cube. But you probably won't like it, it's not the human/civilized concept of justice, it is true justice, spawned from chaos.
>>42709271##I mean that’s a broad assumption and even if I were a “reject” so what? Who do you spend your life trying to please? Sounds like a massive cope or how’d you view yourself if you failed to socialize to the extent you desire. Besides various traditions ancient and modern eastern and western promote solitude. >>42709270##That just sounds like a you problem. It also makes it seem like your animist beliefs are a coping mechanism and less than genuine.
>>42709294##Lmao that kind of bullshit is for mouth breathers. So some chart dramatized teenage insecurity and now it’s a “need”. Never challenge yourself or ditch dependencies.
>>42709303##So are you actually going to describe it or just vague post BS.
>>42709305>Why do you spend your life trying to please?See, that's the thing: I *don't*, because I know I am too ugly to get sympathy or have people care about me. I know that I can't trust most people either, because I am also rich. I am in fact getting a sexdoll as soon as possible (because I am also incredibly picky). I'm just saying. If you're all "me against humanity", then it's probably cause you're a reject. There are lots of rejects out there, which is why TV shows cater to outcasts.
>>42709308Alright anon. I hope you live a life in which only your true "needs" are met.
>>42709328##To give yourself and accept having “needs” is just a total surrender and represents the complete lack of willpower. Adapting not overcoming. Wallowing.
>>42708766>Cosmic Justice is Impossiblelol lmao. the bible already solves this problem.every human on earth sinned against God. The punishment for sin is death.God is both just and merciful yet he's also loving.There's a debt that needs to be paid for sins.Another sinful man cannot pay another sinful man's debt.We need a perfect sacrifice.Jesus Christ, the lamb of God, lived a perfect sinless life to be the perfect sacrifice bearing humans sins in his body to everyone that believed on him.Through jesus christ, the mercy, love, the sin problem, and justice of God is served.
>>42709311I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you choose to be too lazy to learn something new then it's not my problem. You're gen-z aren't you? Anyway, the picture comes from a book, read that book and you'll get it. That is if you can actually read a whole ass book.
>>42709933The Bible is demonic though. Child rape, child sacrifice. True demonism. You worship the devil.
>>42708766You do what you want. Stop whining.
>>42711144Vishnu killed ànd burned alive man and rape is wife to total submission and nobody say its is a demon your argurment is weak
>>42711144>child rape ???>child sacrifice that God immediately stopped and revealed was a test????
>>42711172 If vishnu can rape burne people and be praise for it yahwe can
>>42711144There nothing wrong in all you say morality is relative and à social construct most of gods are eviler or worse than demons
>>42710118##My basic inquiry sets you into a rage just because the quip made you feel insecure. Wonderful. >>42709933##>God claimed victimhood from victimless crimes. Actual victims of sin don’t matter>god is an oxymoron >god needed to have a guiltless man murdered to forgive victimless crimes >the sacrifice was also himself>sanity and justice achievedRetarded kike. Your understanding of Christ is like someone saying chef Boyardee is peak European cuisine. >>42711148##Where was I whining? Or do critical analysis of things upset you?
you only have to play along as much not to draw attention to yourself
>>42711403##Why would playing along be worth doing at all? If anything it seems doomed.
>>42711411food and A/C is nice
>>42711466##What? God the peasants are so easy to pacify. Besides why would you need creature comforts in the afterlife?
>>42709194Sounds like you have a skill issue imo, l2p astral level in samsara matrix
>>42708766Absolute freedom is indistinguishable from tyranny. Balance slays the demon.
>>42711957How trite. And what’s this balance look like?
>>42709521Whatever you say, Buddha.
I dont know.So many rules, so many laws, so many rituals! Too complicated! Just enjoy life and dont hurt each other>>42709068Walk awaySome religions, so strict, would not let you do anything!
>>42708766If all you do is think you'll soend all your time thinking about a life you never lived.
>>42712633No I’m not going to regret not living out some retarded LARP.
>>42708766absolute dumb retard don't ever post again
>>42713633Your profound retort screams confidence and wisdom.
>>42708766Except with Pantheism, and you're just a fragment of a larger piece.
>>42708766Of course it is. You're assuming there isn't a being smarter than you in charge.
>>42713777No I’m inferring it based upon the various flaws in existence and the nature of the juxtapositions that were invented. You are assuming there is one smarter than you which is just the path of least resistance for a weak willed person. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>42711394Whatever makes you sleep at night
>>42713816It’s clear you have nothing to say and no comprehensible point. So you site retorts?Did you have something to say about them? Something to build upon?Or again or you just triggered because the themes presented challenge you in a way you can’t handle. Obviously so.
>>42709933>>>>>>>"""""solves"""""Anyone with three brain cells to rub together can see this retarded bullshit doesn't solve anything.>be God>proclaim there's a "debt" people owe to me>but don't make them pay it, instead pay it myself>for some reason, even though I'm all-powerful, I can't just absolve it with a snap of my fingers; no, I have to pay it by getting myself killed>somehow, because of some arcane rules I made up about who can pay what debt, that """fixes""" everything>only it doesn't actually fix anything meaningful, just a "sin problem" that I invented myselfWhat a great plan from an all-powerful all-knowing being.
>>42713812I'm not making an assumption of anything. You're definitely trying to make the moon into a wheel of cheese simply because you can't understand it from a distance. You're struggling for an explanation rather than realizing we might not even be as intelligent as the controlling force of the universe. Do you see how you struggle to reach a conclusion? Rather than allowing a different reality to exist.
i am the angel justice. i can go everywhere and do everything but no one ever asks.
>>42714460You are 100% assuming whatever authority figures you submit to are smarter than you. If not what is your reasoning?I’m not stretching at all to conclude that such figures would rely upon despotism and tyranny to enforce their will. It takes blind faith (assumption) to believe in its integrity. What explanation are you looking for? It isn’t much to explain that people with an inferiority complex find it easier to assume they’re subject to superior forces. It helps you save what little face you have. Brain dead.
>>42708766The only moral way for a conscious viewpoint to exist is as a sovereign and free God.All limitation is a game. We can easily imagine someone having a completely different life by just having a bit higher IQ or being born in a different part of the world or not undergoing trauma as a child.There are so many deterministic variables which shape a person in this world. And to use such accidents as a way to say that a conscious viewpoint is not worthy to be a God, is servile.All ontologies which do not elevate conscious viewpoints to each be sovereign gods are sociopathic and evil.
>>42714603I agree.
>>42708766Easily solved by the way. I am a Solipsist. I do not believe in a multiplicity of conscious viewpoints.But I will say, that if there were multiple conscious viewpoints, then all conscious viewpoints would have to be sovereign and separate gods. Only interacting with eachother's dream bubbles via mutual consent dream sync. So the 'total anarchy' line you mentioned is not really that bad. 1 Dream Reality Bubble to each conscious viewpoint, and they all interact via mutual consent.
>>42714612I agree. And I didn’t mean to convey total anarchy as a negative. It’s the obvious natural state and preferable to tyranny. Unless you’re a slave. Of course how could you guarantee the integrity of a mutual consent principle?
>>42708766>some bureaucratic mechanism (karmic)You don't know shit about karma.
>>42714615Well, it'd be something ingrained in the ontology rather than enforced socially. Any being would be able to desync with another being's dream at any time.Each being never being able to escape his or her own dream client. Merely syncing with another dream and making it look like they are in the same dream. But each being is always still in his or her own mind. Yeah, more edge cases can be brought up here but the ideal is conveyed and can be upheld toward no matter what is true. I am glad that you agree. So many here have philosophies and religions which treat conscious viewpoints as less than shit. Things to be toyed with and judged and tested. Sovereignty for all conscious viewpoints. There is no other path. A servile heaven just relies on sating the very needs which were imbued, like a spiritual extortion. Godhood is the right of all conscious viewpoints.I am glad we agree.
>>42714651What an insightful correction. It’s truly great that a zero sum game like karma has such profound exponents such as yourself. Truly eye opening.
>>42714661But who engrains things within the ontology?How can “we” agree if you’re a sopolist?Seeing as how you seem like one of the more based ones I’ve come across I have to ask - why do you subscribe to that cope? I wish solipism was true. I would do anything to achieve it. Others are nothing more than liabilities that invite relational concepts (authority etc).
>>42708773No Gods Jew Masters
>>42714697>Who ingrains within such an ontology?It would just be a brute fact of the ontology. >How can we agree if you're solipsist?Well, we agree on the ideal. And even if the multiple sovereigns ontology were true, we'd still be locally solipsistic within our own dreams.>why do you believe this?1. I believe that each conscious viewpoint being eternal and separate Gods is the only way to answer the question of 'Why am I me instead of you?'2. Truth is important, but it does not have the final say. What I describe is an ideal which can be held to, upheld, and strived towards no matter what is true. Just as we didn't bow to the wild when we tamed it, we can also strive to rise above any ontology which is unjust, and we can strive to tame such ontologies. In the event where this were not true.
>>42714721Facts are established. What would precede the first being that established this?Well isn’t that just the idea of multiplicity of conscious beings?And didn’t you say a couple posts ago that you do not believe in a multiplicity of consciousness?I suppose so
>>42714721and sorry yeah I should of put >why do you subscribe to this? since that was what you asked.
>>42714734>What would precede the first being that established this?It wouldn't be established in the case where it is immediately true, it'd be the natural ontology of reality. Each being being eternal and separate.>About MultiplicityI believe that the vertiginous question ( "Why am I me instead of you?" ) is answered by each conscious viewpoint being separate, eternal, and equally necessary to the ontology of reality. Each separate bedrocks of a separate dream reality. Best analogy is a dream desu. In a dream, there is one local conscious aperture and the rest is generated by the subconscious. That is how I believe reality within a God's domain is. I do not believe in the multiplicity of conscious beings, but I acknowledge 2 ontologies which answer the vertiginous question and uphold the moral of 'The only way for a conscious viewpoint to exist is as a sovereign and free God'.These are Solipsism and Polytheistic Solipsism ( the multiple separate dreamers dream syncing ).
>>42714684Explain to me what karma has to do with bureaucracy.
>>42715043It’s just another procedural model invented by and maintained by apathetic forces meant to standardize experience. It’s as bureaucratic as establishing one’s credit score or qualification of government aid. It boils down as to a number. In any case it’s a zero sum game that cannot even logically sustain itself.
>>42715803Karma is a principle of cause and effect. Good actions eventually lead to good outcomes and bad actions eventually lead to bad outcomes; bad experiences are the fruit of past bad actions and good experiences are the fruit of past good actions. There are no government middle-men involved.
>>42715803the apathetic forces are a part of your mind, the shit is self-inflicted.
>>42716295It’s like a credit score. A rating used to determine afterlife experiences. It’s bureaucratic as a tool. It’s also a sum zero game. A man commits a negative against another man. Say murder. If he didn’t have it coming why didn’t his karma protect him? If he did have it coming how could it be held against the murderer, even if it was a robbery it was a mechanism of divine justice. In any case you’re just rationalizing evil as a coping mechanism with the air of small minded profundity. >>42718785What makes you say that?
>>42708766There's a weak version of cosmic justice everyone knows is a thing. If you cheat, steal and abuse others, you will suffer social consequence for it.The exception is push-overs who allow it to happen, but in that case it's their fault.
>>42718824wrongthe exception is anyone with a place in the social hierarchy above ordinary peasanteven if you're just a cop or a bankster you can commit almost any crime without consequences
>>42718857I want to hear how much success you have had as a criminal then
>>42718981'criminal' is relative, the laws only apply to peasants like usif I steal a candy bar I'm a criminal, if you literally holocaust a race that's okay cuz you're the prime minister of jewtown and here's an hour long standing ovation for you by our congressno prosecution, no or next to no social opprobrium, no fucking cosmic justice or "karma" for anyone on the upper rungs of the hierarchy, that shit only exists for the little people
>>42718793Karma is not a credit score, no one is keeping tally. Unless you're a Jain it doesn't physically exist, it's a word used to describe a fact of existence. Under a standard karmic worldview if you get murdered you did something in this life or a past one to deserve it but the murderer will eventually suffer in this life or the next because of his bad action.
>>42718857That anon is wrong to call it "cosmic justice" but everything in this universe resonates and can mechanically cascade if the waves compound enough.It's what's meant when you hear someone talk about "second and third-order effects." How your actions can reverberate into your environment in ways you can't contemplate and how if you commit acts of malice and destruction, eventually that cascades back at you.Though, the trick is that you and I see a cop or bankster get away with crimes regularly. But what we don't see is the stress of the dual life they have to lead in the background, the constant threat of all their co-workers and correspondences hiding daggers behind their backs, just waiting for the moment to sink it into that person.Sadly it usually ends up being their children or grandchildren who get smacked by the massive cascade, letting at least some cunts get away with shit without them 1:1 experiencing all the repercussions.But those resonances still happen.
>>42708766What if I just blow myself up?
>>42719212That process you just described involves a tabulation and execution of weight or value. It is like a score. It needn’t be expressed in numbers. It still subjects man to a bureaucratic process. It is still unaccountable. It is still a sum zero game. Again the man who did the murdering is Scott free right? Since he was instrument of divine will? You are not your past life so it’s even more stupid. It’s just a self defeating coping mechanism and rationalization evil. Pathetic peasant shit.
>>42720963>That process you just described involves a tabulation and execution of weight or value. It is like a score. It needn’t be expressed in numbers.This asinine definition of bureaucratic of yours can be applied to basically anything. Dropping a ball involves tabulation and execution of potential energy so gravity is bureaucratic. Cooking and eating a meal involves the tabulation and use of calories so food is bureaucratic. Lightning involves the tabulation and execution of positive and negative electrons so electricity is bureaucratic.>Again the man who did the murdering is Scott free right?No, he is not. The man he murdered was murdered because of his karma but the murderer still generates karma of his own by murdering. In karmic religions the universe is in a self-perpetuating cycle of chain reactions called samsara.
>>42721036Sure they are called the “laws” of physics after all. They are enforced within their defined outlines. Highly formulaic. Karma remains bureaucratic to an even greater degree because it is literally an expression of a fake form of cosmic red tape and regulation. It is no different than a social credit score used by the Chinese. I’m sorry an angel isn’t pulling a lever on a calculator you autistic fuck. Yes and it’s a zero sum game and totally illogical chain reaction. The trap of samsara. It seems to require the generation of negative karma to address negative karma. It insists upon itself and is a total scam. Like I said karma is just another load of shit from every angle. It makes no sense and is the antithesis of justice.
