>GrimoiresAgrippa's Three Books are coreArbatel should be the first; afterward Heptameron, or Goetia, or Abramelin, Picatrix, etcThe PGM tend to be modularesotericarchives.com/>Golden DawnCicero's Self Initiation into the Golden Dawn, Lyam Thomas Christopher - Kabalah, Magic & the Great Work of Self TransformationFind a Temple: pansophers.com/golden-dawn-locations/>Aurum SolisMagical Philosophy (70s editions go from I-V, modern from I-III), then Planetary MagickThe Practical Guide series>Chaos MagicLiber Null & Psychonaut, Condensed Chaos, Liber Kaos, Hands-On Chaos Magic>Aspire to A∴A∴Have a basic understanding of the Golden Dawn system. Read Liber ABA, then go through this reading list:outercol.org/htmldoc/curriculum.htmlFocus on Liber Resh, E , RV, O, Astarte, and HHHFor a full curriculum, Mystical and Magical System of the A∴AIf someone has the up-to-date mega library link, please share.
Great thread anon, have a bump
/x/, suggest a good book to get started with cerimonial magic, please
>>42733450Franz Bardons is where to start, so>1. Initiation into HermeticsThen move to>2. The Practice of Magical EvocationYou can move to >3. The Key to the True KabbalahBut it’s not necessary
>>42732965>If someone has the up-to-date mega library link, please share.Do you mean this one?>Libraryhttps://controlc.com/f90157e6
>>42733587why was he fat
>>42733813nta, but one could expand to:> why did he die of pancreatitis at 48 while in police custody> why was he a heavy smokerit's important to discern the teaching from the teacher. They're still human, nobody's perfect. One could have the same approach towards Crowley> why didn't he manage to kick his drug addiction for so many years> why did he die with only 14 shillings to his name> etcif anything, this helps *not* sanctifying them. Learn whatever good there is to learn, maybe learn from their mistakes. They're not gods, they're humans. We're all flawed, in one way or another.
>>42732965Does reading all that shit actually helps
>>42734269what do you think
>>42735443Probably not.
>>42733450
>>42733919So for these larpers your argument is>d-do what they said not what they did!If it didn’t work for them then why listen to a fucking word of their lies?
>>42735662By your logic we can't learn from anyone, since everyone is a flawed human
>>42734269if you don't practice it won't help at allin fact reading all that stuff before starting might make things worse, because the more you read the less you know where to start
>>42735870How will practice help
>>42735809Nope.My logic is huge larpers like Crowley claimed they were the beast 666. He was the highest grade of wizard.But actually he did nothing. For such claims you just examine their lives and you can see that they had nothing to teach.Much the same with law of assumption teachers today. Grifters promise mighty reality altering powers on YouTube for money.They don’t do it themselves though.>>42735870>the more you read the less you know where to startNot true for virtually any subject. But because this one is larp max you are correct.
Here's my mega, grimoires and suchhttps://mega.nz/folder/Qw0yASKZ#OWO3WZ7vNIoMO4I1ILlj5A
>>42736391Substantial. That’s a lot.
>>42734269No.
>>42736391N.A-A.218 stuff if you need more stuff; Don't think you had those compiled: "Liber Falxifer 3: The Book of the 52 Stations of the Crosses of Nod":https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-iii-the-book-of-the-52-stations-of-the-crosses-of-nod/page/29/mode/2up LF2: https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-ii-the-book-of-anamlaqayin/page/n1/mode/2up LF1: https://archive.org/details/liber-falxifer-the-book-of-the-left-handed-reaper/page/n61/mode/2up "The Book of Sitra Achra: A Grimoire of the Dragons of the Other Side": https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfSitraAchra/page/n41/mode/2up LF3 'Akeldama Line' Cross Stations compiled in pic.
>>42732965>Occult GeneralIsn't this board having an occult general basically as redundant as /tv/ having a movie general?
>>42736348On Crowley; just posted this in another thread; >>42736691>>42736721>>42736763 On the subject of "Crowley being the esoteric source of 'Bane crashing this 'plane', with no survivors'"; he's been working with "Experimental Chaos Magic with very little Education". He's for real somehow stuck in some sort of "Logic Loop", of a type of "chess move in Spiritual Chess that neither has a legit starting position; nor a functioning end goal"; basically "hovering an experimental illegitimate chess piece he doesn't have any basics for at all; that therefore has neither a legit Starting Point; nor can logically land on the legit chess-board" basically. Some sort of "illogical homemade chess piece"; how he even managed to "start said move with no legit starting point; nor any functioning end-point" makes very little sense logically. Being why he's in the modern era reincarnated as "Chris-Chan"; radiating "Crowleys current Spiritual Essence"; highly confused and confusing being. Noone with a comprehension of said Spiritual Chess in Praxis has any clue what he's doing. His religion Thelema propagates being involved in said kinds of "experimental logic"; avoid said religion; just leads to your mind being full of "highly confusing nonsense".
>>42732965sup.I am complete newfag (if not counting one failed succubus letter ritual), dont know anything about magic and rituals, apart from long forgotten stuff from uniI have some resources and free time. I want power and knowledge, however stupid this may sound.Where do i start? What is the way to prove myself that it works so that I continue to work on it? I suppose there should be some way, like in arts, where you start practicing and notice chages and that gives you hints on where to go next?no trolling, genuine question. I am quite unsutisfied with where I am now.
Anyone have a recommendation about how race/genes inform one's optimalspiritual path? Without spergery, ideally. Not looking for crazy Serrano shit.
>>42736874Pick some stuff and run with it. To begin chaos magick or gallery of magick can be a good starting point. Dont do magic just to prove it working, do it out of genuine need/will.
>>42736798I think OP meant what usually is called /omg/
>>42735809And what magic have you learned from Bardon or Crowley that isn't just psychologized self-help or basic mediation and visualization? I mean actual magic that can't be just as easily credited to mundane processes?
>>42736908>actual magic that can't be just as easily credited to mundane processesBut anon, actual magic works within the mundane process. Crafting coincidences and all that. What are you even talking about?
>>42736798no because everything on this board is just Christians seething or some new conspiracy slop
>>42733813I don't think you appreciate how much of a flex that was in eastern Europe at the time
>>42736893>Chaos magickgot it>Dont do magic just to prove it workingsrry, didnt mean that. I meant that I will need a positive feedback to go on with it properlythanks anon.
>>42732965Change the title of the thread to "western occult general"or if you really want to be precise, change it to "neoplatonism general" since every single piece of horseshit you listed in your OP is the same shit and comes from the same tradition passed down from the grecro-roman hellenistic period by Iamblichus
>>42736874Try working with this for basics on the subject of "knowledge"; "Key Sigil of Wisdom"; Liber Falxifer 1. Deals in "increasing your comprehension of spiritual information and guidance; leading to higher insight". Very good "starting sigil" to work with; basic "wisdom/knowledge focus". spend time "staring" at the sigil until it makes sense; sigils overall are processed with the "Pineal Gland; Third Eye". Also try stuff like drawing it down on paper.
>>42732965>>42737296>>42737299>>42737303
>>42737326>comes from the same tradition passed down from the grecro-roman hellenistic period by Iamblichusand?
>>42736954literally this
>>42732965
>>42737348and there are other frameworks, such as shamanism, which rejects the sovreignity of the ego and the existence of a monotheistic "monad" from which all things emanatenot everything is fucking hermeticism and gnostic bullshit
>>42737341>>42736874This from Liber Falxifer 2: "The Seal of Spiritual Illumination" also has the same types of functionality (also using the key sigil of wisdom in its "keyed form" in the top left of the picture); also focusing on "knowledge/illumination" subjects. As the text mentions: "The Seal of Spiritual Illumination serves perfectly the seeker of the mysteries and is a point of focus for the powers of the sorcerous will to achieve initiation and insight."
>>42734269no, because you're just reading the same shit over and over repackaged into another flavor of ice cream for you, but it's all ice creamyou're just being led around in circles by retards who all think the same way about the same things and have their stupid nerd wars and fetishized arguments over their autism and egosif you want true power, true deliverance, put the books away, put away all this stupid logical rational bullshit, and just go download a shamanic drum track, find a good 240 bpm shamanic drum track that is just a pure drum and no special effects or bullshit added to it. Go find some place you can be alone and possibly scream if you have to scream without bothering anyone, like go out in the woods or something. If you live in a big city, then you might be fucked idk. But you need to just go into a trance, go inside yourself, and start communicating with the forces that exist all around you that speak to you through your unconsciousmake pacts and deals and alliances with these forces, they can be your friends or your enemies, it's up to youthis is how you awaken real power, not with fucking astrology or talismanic bullshit or whatever the fuck you will read about in these stupid books written by faggots trying to make money and control society
>>42737380ok, thank youShall I start with this after I learn to properly meditate? In general, what do I do - just scribe it? Sory for stupid questions, couldnt find the book you mention
>>42737415On that LF2 one; use it as a focal point to meditate upon; Lock your Eyes on the black dot focus points in the Triangles on the sides; then try to Lock your Third Eye (pineal gland) on the symbols at the Foot of the Cross (bottom one first); then try to follow said middle bottom symbols Upwards with your "Third eye middle visual point focus". (you'll also notice here that yor 'Pineal Gland' is literally the "Center-focus of your Eye-Sight; also involved in Depth-perception")
>>42737467>>42737380Here's a compilation of all "7 talismanic seals" from said chapter of Liber Falxifer 2 to look for similar functionality in. The Middle one with 7 keys is a "long-term Puzzle sigil" when working with LF2 (advanced Code/Puzzle-book btw). Compiled with "Qayin and Qalmanas 7 key sigils" for previous compilation use for "codecracking/puzzle-solving". When you read LF2 physically it sort of "starts opening up pages for you on its own after a while"; leading you along in Puzzles; sadly that sort of stuff doesn't work in PDF format; but PDF works fine as a substitute since the books tend to be very expensive to buy on the second hand market. Pdf links posted earlier in>>42736789
>>42737520Description text of the Key puzzle; "The seal of the unlocking of paths". On the text; note /x/ to be "a crossroads".
>>42736925This is a post-modernist chaote cop out. If it works within mundane processes then it's not magic. Say some godnames into water and show me a vision or something... so I take it you didn't actually learn anything from Bardon or Crowley that would knock anybody's socks off?
>>42738110Basado
>>42737924Another Key and Long term puzzle sigil from Liber Falxifer 2 here.
>>42737924Feel free to ask question on "Liber Falxifer/Book of Sitra Achra Praxis"; real world "TotBL+TFC" person here; ie "Temple of the Black Light + Templum Falxis Cruentis". My personal "Black in Green sigil" in picture; "Daemon of the Tobacco".
>>42737368>not everything is fucking hermeticism and gnostic bullshitfrom my point of of view you are wrong, it boils down to just that
Ah occultism, steaming piles of layered bullshit attractive to power-hungry nihilists too cowardly to embrace the truth of their degeneracy.
>>42740844>t. never read a book about or relating to occultism
>>42740844What are you even doing on "/x/-Paranormal"?
>>42740844Give me your soul and I grant a boon, no refunds. Mr atheist.
>>42737467ie use the described method in this post in order to "learn the basics of how to use any Sigil systems"; if you don't yet know "what you're looking for with your eyes when trying to Decypher Sigils". Said post and the mentioned "illumination sigil" is very good basics on "The methods used when decyphering sigils"; ie what kind of logic and functionality you're looking for when studying any sigil overall. Pictured is 'Akeldama Station 8' sigil from "Liber Falxifer 3".
>>42736994lmao
>>42741146These are relevant "Decyphering keys" for said sigil btw; "Emissaries of the qlipha 'Samael'; book of sitra achra".
>>42740834ok, there may be some stupid questions, but stillyou say that you belong to a particular temple - what does it mean? Can you use other schools'/dieties' powers?the first book is about a particular good of death and related rituals. Is it necessary to construct the altar and follow the described rituals for sigils from that book to work? In general, what are those and how do they relate to particular gods/demons?
>>42741633Constructing an Altar is very healthy praxis overall, teaches you "the metaphysical logic/constructs of an altar". For example "which metaphysical functionality different objects on the altar fulfils". When constructing an altar-space; note the metaphysical logic of "This Table-surface now 'Counts as an [Altar] in metaphysical logic'; study results". is the sort of logic that this tradition teaches; "Meta-logic of spiritual metaphysics"; "bare-bones stuff".
>>42741673ie overall; Liber Falxifer Praxis when put to 'direct actual use' involves a lot of "Okay, so how is how this works technically"; teaching you the "behind the scenes logic; 'metaphysical technical logic'"; is what you get out of Liber Falxifer books. Experiment with the stuff described in the books until you start noticing said kinds of mentioned guidance; of "something pointing out 'how stuff works technically, all the spiritual metaphysics'". "Q"/"Qayin" specializes in teaching "behind the scenes stuff".
>>42741673i seeso, its not like a commitment to particular school - just one of many ways to get in contact with whatever you reach out for?
>>42741706"Current 218/182" is "Spiritual Meta-Praxis"; ie "teaching you what everything is 'Behind the scenes'; and how stuff works Technically".
>>42732965This whole board is the occult general.
>>42741673>>>/lit/25426961>>>/lit/25426963>>>/lit/25426993
>>42741708>>42741690>>42741673ie in the mentioned kind of Praxis; Altar-wise; with "Q" you can for example use stuff like a "Drawn picture on paper as a stand-in Altar Fetish"; on a "fitting enought table space to [dedicate as an altar]; and heäll teach you all the basics of "what stuff does; what an altar fetish statue does/can do in praxis; etc"; to "Q" you can start with "Counts-as-logic" (see warhammer 40k praxis of 'counts-as'; playing with miniatures with a logical enough marker of 'this miniature counts as being equipped with X and Y even if it's not physically equipped with said items; out of budget/time constraints"). Constructing an altar with "Q" you can draw a "good enough image on a paper as a suitable enough starting-point for a central altar-fetish" in "base and place praxis". for example; "either print out or draw a self-made picture based on these pictured illustrations" to use as "functioning enough Altar-fetish" if you're looking to construct an altar-space by 'improv'; based on 'resources you have available here and now'.
>>42741718>picture -basically; 'Actual Direct Praxis' leads to plenty of information, and comprehension of Spiritual Subjects; through "personal actual practical direct experiences"; rather than just "theorizing from the outside" like a lot of people tend to do. For example; try out the logic mentioned in: >>42737467>>42737380 as a good starting point to get started with Liber Falxifer Praxis. overall; the key to "Comprehension Through Praxis" is "trying to figure out How Sigils work in praxis; ie 'which kinds of functionality Sigils present; understanding of 'Sigil metaphysical data' through studying them. Sigil-Data-languages makes more and more sense the more you sit around focusing on "staring at them trying to figure out what they do".
>>42741807ie a lot of students of the occult get stuck on "Studying only 'Written Words'"; while the actual praxis is understood through "focusing on Studying the presented Sigils"; ie "spend more time staring at sigils trying to figure out what they do; to start decyphering the metaphysical logic-language/logic-model that sigils are constructed through". Occult work needs to be put into Praxis; not just theorized about through reading text and "theorizing about what other practitioners have experienced in actual Praxis; instead of 'experiencing siad lifestyle themselves'". "Emissaries of the qlipha 'Aogiel'; 'book of sitra achra'" in picture; study for "actual real 'Logical Formulae'". Note sigils to be quite 'interactive'; if you try "asking the sigils what they do"; you might get more 'actually real direct supernatural responses than you'd think'.
>>42741834Text-less compiled version of Aogiel Emissaries for practical use.
>pagan revival>it's all a bunch of jewish crapwhy is everyone so obsessed with kabbalah and the tree of life crap? why are women so obsessed with a jewish baby eating demon lady?
>>42742099Spamming darque fluff never goes out of style eh faggot?
>>42736836>modern era reincarnated as "Chris-Chan"makes sense crowley wanted to fuck his mother and chris chan did it
>>42742189Crashing this PlaneWith Low Survivors
>>42742147>assimilated into judaism in 13th century Spain >this makes it 120% jewish Read a book bruh learn some history
>>42742361Didn't realize Mossad still wasted their time posting hereEat shit jew boy
>>42742361bruh stop worshiping desert demons
I have it on good authority that Ape has been killing native prostitutes on the res again
>>42742147Ignore all the jewish/christian nonsense in this thread.Embrace the new seidr instead: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhcbYEKRFjHVgwm34oKTgRxAt3huXHP3G&si=vhf5IaAJAxMQIZKk
>>42742513>basic bitch greek shit>desert demonsNo
>>42742890>Ignore all the jewish/christian nonsenseThat, along with mudslimes, make up only part of the problem. Then you've got commies and feminists shitting up the rest.
>>42742935>greekROFLMAO
>>42743073>13th century Spain >arab translations of lost greek texts get reintroduced >kabbalah "mysteriously" emerges It's a complete departure from the traditional merkabha mysticism but noo there can't possibly be any non-Jewish origins.
>>42736874state of occult literature in general is a dumpster fire few people realize that word means hidden for a reason and that aside from novices or fools who have yet to or failed to penetrate the deeper depths the good shit is all in catch 22s of needing the deeper understandings or being written in code.pic related is the few good books I've pieced out and they are hardly a get up and go selection but they are about as direct on the topic as you'll get.
>>42743636>THERE IS A DEEP SECRET>I HAVE PENETRATED THE DEPTHS>N-NO I WON’T TELL YOU IT THO>READ THIS STUFF INSTEAD, SORT OF OK BUT NOT REALLY.Lmao. What is the next stage of the lar? Something like you can’t be told it you have to discover it for yourself.I am already vomiting at your cringe, senpai.
>>42740844Extremely true and based.
>>42743636>or being written in code. Isn't decyphering codebooks; and seeing what that does to your daily life basically what Occult Praxis has always been? Occult work is about "exploration of the Occult; hidden tiers of reality"; stuff akin to "HP Lovecraft stories"; not about "magically manifesting a girlfriend".
>>42744144ie "the occult; the hidden", is not about "click a button, get free money"; but rather about exploration and adventuring towards "the other side". Seeing "behind the veil"; ie "the behind the scenes mechanisms of the universe"; and exploring more fun tiers of reality "outside of eden".
>>42737360Yellow hats are neoplatonists??….hahaha
why do anons rabidly defend Jewish systems of mysticism, when neoplatonism is free of such things
>>42742361I'm open to being redpilled by this, but no matter what I've read I've never failed to be convinced It just seems like an extension of the unfortunate jew-obsession in the west, thanks to christianity
>>42745710*unconvinced My bad
>>42736789Shachor Line Cross Stations from Liber Falxifer 3 here. Apply the practice mentioned in >>42737467about the sigil in: >>42737380on "how to decypher Sigils overall"; ie "look for things to focus on with the eyes"
>>42743045hello /pol/ thanks for the input, now go back
>>42745695But Jewish mysticism is basically Neoplatonism
>>42746778nice pilpul jewyou understand nothing about either if you think that way xD
>>42746778no shit jews have never created anything
>>42745710>christianitythe history of the occult in the west is just shedding anything european and doubling down on jewish shit it happened during christianity and will continue post christianity
>>42747255also this happened pre christianity with the greeks who couldn't stop sucking egyptian and easterner dicks
>>42747228xD
>>42745666idk I was just having a sperg out melty when I posted that because fuck neoplatonism and fuck everyone who believes in any form of monotheism or any kind of metaphysical singularity from which all things emanateI piss on all that centralized stupid shit, real ass niggas fuck with raw animism and shamanism, spirit gang gang gang motherfuckerWEW LOOK AT MY PRETTY FAGGOT SIGILS YOU MUST DECIPHER THEM GAZE DEEPLY INTO THEMfucking gay lmao
>>42747782cope and seethe new age faggot
>>42747794hypocritical as fuck for you to be saying that you fucking fraudif anything is "new aged" it's your fucking grimoire revivalist movement since that's the newest flavor of the month now. Before that it was fucking wicca in the 90s, but you're too young to actually know anything about this planet you didn't read onlinefurthermore, this stupid sigil crap is literally babbys first. Even the niggers that wrote the fucking book on modern contemporary occult practice like crowley, mathers, waite, dion fortune, eliphas levi, gerald gardner, peter j carroll, and thomas karlsson, all say that pure shamanism is the strongest and richest kind of magic you can do, but also the most primordial and dangerousenjoy your modern fucking jewish safe space nigger, there's nothing "new aged" about banging a fucking drum
>>42747816>there's nothing "new aged" about banging a fucking drumI agree with your post except this part new age faggots are always banging on drums
>>42748028fucking this
>>42748028>>42748034you're both fucking retarded if you form associations like that in your brain and it prevents you from thinking straightyou zoomers are fucking worthless and deserve what's coming
>>42748105have fun with your crystal and bongos grandma
>>42748174I fucking knew ityou're so FUCKING retarded broI said drums and I KNEW you're a fucking stupid nigger who would immediately jump to crystals and shityou're fucking stupid and useless and will never make more money than me
>>42748251hey chill out man your vibrations and aura are going to go way out of whack you better go shake maracas or something
>>42747816>this stupid sigil crap is literally babbys first. Sigils are a "magic-information-languague"; describing actual metaphysical formulae. ie how "magical metaphysical formulae" is described in Grimoires. Hard to describe a spell/metaphysical magical property/effect in just Text. Decypher them instead; ie start working on comprehending the basically universal "Data-types" of any sigil-based system. See it as "learning to read Technical Drawings/blueprints".
Why even bother with Neoplatonism when there is Platonism?
>>42749110you got it backwards
