"The Templars were organized as a monastic order similar to Bernard's Cistercian Order, which was considered the first effective international organization in Europe.[65] The organizational structure had a strong chain of authority. Each country with a major Templar presence (France, Poitou, Anjou, Jerusalem, England, Aragon, Portugal, Italy, Tripoli, Antioch, Hungary, and Croatia)[66] had a Master of the Order for the Templars in that region."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar#Organization

Both the Templars and Jesuits are therefore duel monastic-military orders practicing the ascetic mysticism characteristic of the monastic disciplines - the Jesuits namely with their Spiritual Exercises - while not withdrawing from society like the other monkish orders such as the Franciscans and Dominicans and Benedictines who totally isolate themselves from the outside world in the monasteries; rather the functional focus of the Templars and Jesuits has been to conduct practical, tangible, wordly actions.

Continuing, one of the goals of the Jesuits was to take Jerusalem from the Saracens, just as the Templars set out to do:

"Among the wonderful things shown to Ignatius Loyola by special revelation was a vision of two great camps. The centre of the one was placed at Babylon; and over it there floated the gloomy ensign of the prince of darkness. The Heavenly King had erected his standard on Mount Zion, and made Jerusalem his head-quarters. In the war of which these two camps were the symbols, and the issues of which were to be grand beyond all former precedent, Loyola was chosen, he believed, to be one of the chief captains. He longed to place himself at the centre of action. The way thither was long. Wide oceans and gloomy deserts had to be traversed, and hostile tribes passed through. But he had an iron will, a boundless enthusiasm, and what was more, a Divine call—for such it seemed to him in his delusion. He set out penniless (1523), and begging his bread by the way, he arrived at Barcelona. There he embarked in a ship which landed him on the shore of Italy. Thence, travelling on foot, after long months, and innumerable hardships, he entered in safety the gates of Jerusalem...Loyola thought of doing in his single person what the armies of the Crusaders had failed to do by their combined strength."

The history of Protestantism, Volume 2, pg 382 James Aitken Wylie

"The war in which Loyola and his nine companions enrolled themselves, when on the 15th of August, 1534, they made their vow in the Church of Montmartre, was to be waged against the Saracens of the East."

Ibid, pg 386

The next point is how, in addition to Loyola's military background, Loyola's handler, Francis Borja who later became the Superior General of the Jesuits, was a Knight Commander of the Templaristic Order of Santiago with Borja's half-brother having been the Grand Master of the Order of Montessa whose members considered themselves Templar Knights and which Order inherited all former Templar properties in the Kingdom of Valencia after the Templars were disbanded by the pope as can be read in Juan Garcia Atienza's The Knights Templar in the Golden Age of Spain pgs 237-238. So there is a strong connection of the early Jesuits to the surviving Templar factions in Spain.

Next, both the Jesuits and Knights Templar are and were respectively answerable to the pope alone; the former only in a nominal sense however, especially after their assassination of Clement XIV and post-1814 with the Jesuit restoration and the conquering of the traditional feudal church:

"They [veritas: the templars] were answerable only to the Pope.[7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_the_Knights_Templar#Humble_origins

"Thus the Jesuits, in accordance with the constitutions and prerogatives granted them by the Popes, consider themselves as independent of all civil power. On this ground the society has never presented its titles, laws, and privileges, with the papal bulls confirming them, to the government of any country in which it has been established, to obtain a legal sanction: they recognise no other authority than the Pope's; and constituted governments are, by their account, bound, not to authorise their existence, but simply to proteot their privileges and prerogatives, under pain of excommunication."

A History of Political and Religious Persecutions F. Garrido & C.B. Cayley, Vol 2, page 349

Other similarities include how both orders gained special concessions from the pope, how both became abundantly wealthy, and the influence which both Orders had over the monarchs of Europe:

"Throughout these years, the Templar Order became wealthy and powerful.[5] They received massive donations of money, manors, churches, even villages and the revenues thereof, from Kings and European nobles interested in helping with the fight for the Holy Land.[5] The Templars, by order of the Pope, were exempt from all taxes, tolls and tithes, their houses and churches were given the right to asylum and were exempt from feudal obligations.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_the_Knights_Templar#Humble_origins

"But what happened to their once powerful order which, at its peak, had a key influence within every major royal house and capital in Europe, with many significant sites in Jerusalem?"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/2011/jun/27/whatever-happened-to-the-knights-templar

The bull issued by Paul III. in 1549, declares the company and its members free and exempt from all superiority, jurisdiction, and correction of the ordinaries; no prelate can excommunicate a Jesuit, or suspend him, or place him under an interdict. The same privilege is extended to the external disciples, servants, and workmen of the company...

"...As if all these privileges had not been sufficient, the Jesuits obtained from Pope Pius V. a bull, declaring, "that all privileges, past, present, or future, obtained or to be obtained by other religious orders, and all prerogatives that might have been conceded to them, including those most specially noteworthy; all immunities, exemptions, faculties, concessions, privileges, graces spiritual and temporal, that might have been granted, or might be hereafter granted, to any congregations, monasteries, chapters, or individuals of either sex, or their monasteries, houses, hospitals, and other places, should be also conceded ipso facto to the Jesuits, without their needing any special concession." And the bull adds, that it forbids the derogation of any of these privileges; and that, if they were to be derogated, the general of the company might re-establish them by his own authority."

A History of Political and Religious Persecutions F. Garrido & C.B. Cayley, Vol 2, pgs 350-351

"By the middle of the 18th century the Jesuits worldwide consisted of 24 professed-houses, 369 colleges, 170 seminaries, 61 novitiate-houses, 335 residences, 273 missions in heathen and Protestant countries, and 22,589 members of all ranks, half of whom were ordained priests. There was not a country, no matter how remote, or difficult of access, where they were not at work. The society possessed immense wealth; it controlled to a large extent the education of rich and prominent youths in many countries, and its members were the confessors of kings and princes. It exerted a powerful political influence in the civil administration of Catholic countries. In fact, in Spain in 1765 some 80 per cent of people in public office, such as councillors and judges, were ex-students of the Jesuits. In Spanish America the Jesuits main activity involved educating elite criollos (American-born Spanish men), some of whom themselves became Jesuits. So the Jesuits had power, influence and money."

https://www.raabcollection.com/foreign-figures-autographs/charles-iii-1767

And finally, as was mentioned in the first quotation, which is well-known, is how both Orders were dissolved by the popes, only with the Jesuits having ultimately survived what was intended to be a deadly decree.

To conclude, it can be said that the Jesuits are the new Knights Templars operating under added Joachimite parameters, modified as Craik wrote to more frequently use covert and politcal means, harnessing their intellectual capabilities for achieving their ends over the temporal world, as opposed to the overt brute force that the Templars were known for.

>>42733866
Those damn Swissies!

>>42733426
Lol the Jesus people and the military don't believe in Jesus, they want you too though. Not as in Jesus being God or anything.

>>42733426
Freemasons aswell

>>42734184
Indeed, all for the club of rome

i fucking WISH a group of catholics secretly controlled the world from behind the scenes
things would be a lot better

>>42735065
Why are you even here dude

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>>42735065
Well you're in luck

>>42734084
do you happen to know the name from that yt channel? that guy went into some trouble when he was investigating some red house i think it was somewhere in belgium(i think?), some old fields where people are producing red wine. i think it was called perra-sol or something similar to that. dude has literally filmed everything with his camera and he was risking his life when two goons started to chase him with some iron rods.

>>42735205
No, sorry, this was a post from the RomeRules subreddit, someone archived the whole thing

>>42736065
hah!
after reading your reply, i started to browse yt and it took some time but i finally found what i was looking for.
https://www.youtube.com/@Giureh--G.I.U.R.E.H.
channel name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHa7DBbOxZg
the video i was mentioning but it is uploaded under different channel name due to the "reasons".

anyway, that dude might be to old to make expeditions with his camera but he is still uploading his stuff even to this day. . .
&list=PLnYwE-DDI56xmElvZGd_44D7jkBBbTmGt

>>42735205
nvm found it, believe this is the same guy
https://www.youtube.com/@Lonelysoul1177

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>>42733426

For the record, it is literally impossible for Jesus to be Satan; when one worships another deity, rejecting Jesus and the Holy Spirit, or when one worships the devil, or is excommunicated, one is, by definition, excluded from "privilege" of being part of the body of God, who is both Jesus and the Holy Spirit as well; meaning that one could not be separated from the body of God when worshiping satan the devil, by definition.

Ironically enough, this is fine with every other deity, since they want no part of Jesus or the so called "Holy Spirit".

Ironically, this also works for Jews, since it allows them to maintain that they worship Jehovah, Yaweh, or whomever else, without believing of being part of Jesus and the so called "holy spirit".

>>42736220
hmm, apparently that dude has several channels, yet, the last channel i am researching is currently up to date, you can still hear it is his voice, but naturally, he sounds older as it should be.

>>42736220
nope that isn't the guy i was looking for, that is some chick, but thanks anyway for that channel. she is exploring switzerland with cam recordings and is only stating her opinions.
here she sounds a little bit paranoid, lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4o-U1gsC4Y

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>>42736226
Jesus is Lucifer, not Satan

>>42736226
Lucifer/Christ/Satan = All archetypes/titles FYI. Just like Baphomet symbol

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>>42733426
>>42736266

>>42736323
This doesn't mean "satan" can't be a real entity. Since before he was "lucifer", fell and became "The Satan". Much like christ is "Lucifer" because he perfectly bears all titles as God naturally would. But others can receive this title too. In short, God is "lucifer" by definition but other entities can borrow the titles if permission is given by God according to their duties and nature. When lucifer felt so amuse carrying a light not his own and became conceited in pride, he became "the adversary" since his fall changed (corrupting) his nature. Although its certainly true titles can be used contextually, certain entities are named like that because it's the description of their nature. Mind you, mary is recognized as lucifer in tradition. A clear callback to genesis 3. But lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Murderers and pederasts

>>42736441
>This doesn't mean "satan" can't be a real entity.
Sure; it could also be an ET using a different avatar all throughout history :)

how baphomet fits in all this?

>>42733426
There does seem to be a connection yes but after being a student of history for a few decades you will see patterns.

The most likely output is that the jesuits created both freemasonry and rosicrucianism, better put would be that they are the original freemasons not the larp ones.

The most one study history the weirder they become because they are part of the russian dolls of secret societies aka one inside the other.

Most likely scenario is that around the time they were being founded feudalism was getting stronger again because more than a century had passed since the dark plague killed most of europe, once things were getting crowded again so would the order structures.

A lot of people must not have liked it so it would not be suprised if they founded the rosicrucians in germany and protestanism whose symbol is a ross and cross.

it makes sense because if you form protestanism while also forming an anti protestant group you have the perfect set up to weaken feudalism and it's better as a HQ secret society because you get the richfags you are working against you to fund you.

it's also shady af that the discovery of the americas caused the treaty of tordesillas and pushed britain out of catholicism, because basques were fishing in canada coast 5 minutes after colombus travel.

They also seemed to have incredibly high iq individuals you do not establish yourself at courts on the other side of the world in china or japan by being a retard and in those places instead of acting like anti protestant cringetards they actually tried to contain other catholics of acting too degenerate and shill catholicism as something like shinto and not an organized religion so local leaders tolerated or well they did until tokugawa leyasu in japan realized the danger this was.

Point being the real secret societies of the 1500-1900 seemed to be all ordered into larp or real one kind of if they did not liked you they sent you to reddit if they like you to 4chan

>>42738336
>it makes sense because if you form protestanism while also forming an anti protestant group you have the perfect set up to weaken feudalism and it's better as a HQ secret society because you get the richfags you are working against you to fund you.
exactly!

Bump!

>>42736226
The "privilege" of giving 10% of your income to a fraud who calls himself a priest.

>>42738336
So the Jesuits are satanists in disguise? How and when did that happen?

>>42738346
This, they fund or create both sides of the battle so that they control how the outcome or the balance the scales in their favor.

>>42740098
>>42740120
Feudalism is satanic, i would not say anti feudalists are bad, tough one could say supporting both sides on a religious conflict in europe is bad the reformation and antireformation put feudalism on the brink at the time it would have become stronger due to regaining pre black death population levels.

The three pilars of feudalism were religious control so serfs accepted their caste, militaristic lower level landowners and higher levels monarchies.

The kind of shit that happened after the discovery of the americas and the spawn of secret societies is more cloak and dagger than most would believe, the spanish and portuguese in sync kept the secret of the straits of magellan for almost a century that is batshit insane, it was so secret that when they organized the first japanese embassy to europe they took them via mexico were they encountered aztecs before entering a ship in the atlantic.

Imagine the level of cloak and dagger shit going on in the era that two states manage to do that, the jesuits were obviously one of the few players of the era that knew the strait existence it's very protoglowie but not really as their supposed loyalty was in theory to the catholic church which was like the globomo of the monarchy layer of feudalism like a proto UN.

>>42740120
it's hard to say how much is an organized plan or an organic emergence of the era, remember these type of groups emerged mostly at same time when europe was finally reaching pre dark death pop levels, suddenly you had a ton of educated seconds son that would not inherit shit, serfs with lower level conditions, superpowers like spain that would prefer to send their high testosterone soldiers away from the continent after they expelled the muslims.

They were a product of their time i am not sure if you can say the same about their modern counterparts seeing a catholic country like venezuela go to shit with catholicism barely acting does not give much impression of a strong poltics

>>42741432
That's what they want you to think, they are everywhere a lot of the Catholics Leonard Leo put in the Supreme Court are helping fund Israel and Zionism.

>>42733426
Jesuits knew about the America's and called America Atlantis; it's all confirmed

Why do you think those niggas were coming out to the America's pre 1492 or how Cristobal got the idea to go west
>jews
>phoenicians
>???
>profit

>>42742547
Catholics in politics in places like the usa can be a problem because in their catholic view they need to redeem themselves on earth thus may do shit that damages the nation long term, protestants also share that belief but they do not have someone to scare them into obeying it on earth as catholics do.

As for zionism it was not as political relevant as many would think yes israel is powerful in the world and has influence disproportionate in part due to how rich jewish diaspora is, but it never had a political goal besides survival.

Mid 2010s due to many reasons the international left made them their boogeyman for many reasons too long to enumerate but mostly venezuela going to total collapse, the syiran civil war using barrel bombing non stop, china becoming ultra capitalist, and eventually russian war in europe.

It backfired terribly because the wef and others had already poisoned the left to do progresive identity politics taking it away from defending the working class, turning it against israel was a masterful move a ton of rich leftists were diaspora jews funding a ton of their shit, russia also encouraged it to distract from the war in east europe and all this crap backfired hard as now zionism does has a political position on the west.

>>42742566
The vikings arrived into canada and it's possible some germans explorers & basques got early yes, and knowing spain and portugal kept the strait of magellan a state secret for a century it's not out of posibility spain & portugal conspired to make the discovery public at the time they had power in the church which acted as a proto UN.

The treaty of tordesillas is one of the most glowing events in human history.

>>42742879
>The treaty of tordesillas is one of the most glowing events in human history.

Also the spanish conquest of the aztecs and incas glows in the dark even stronger than the treaty of tordesillas.

Either those guys had god on their side for real, or they did some good glowie job before they moved against the aztecs and incas, kind of like what they were doing in japan before leyasu closed the country.

The entire history of the conquest of mexico is statistically impossible by the official story from the posibility of encountering translators by mistake, knowing the local politics, arriving at right times, exploiting the right alliances.

Too much synchronized to be an accident of history.

I honestly think Black Nobility is behind all this shit, the Massimos, Colonna, Medici's, Aldobrandini's, Pallavicini's and whatnot.

>>42740098
Mystery Bablyon. The society of Jesus-is-Lucifer etc.

You guys give too much credit to jesuits. Is this a jewish conspiracy theory?

>>42745146
No it's a Jesuit one.

>>42740098
You got a lot to learn, anon

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38026742/

>>42746609
Fake and gay