>Basedintist want me to believe that ancient people from all across the world many of them living in areas that witnessed regular floods, tsunamis, and hurricanes all mistook a bad flood as a Global Flood>they want me to ignore the ludicrous fact that all these Flood Myths originated around the same time period>they also want me to ignore how many of the specifically refer to an Ark of some kind and people riding the Ark>They really Want you to ignore that Hawaii's Symbol is a Rainbow because Hawaiians believe the gods showed a rainbow to them as proof it was over>they then want you to believe the Tower of Babel is just Hebrew Nonsense when Mesoamericans literally had the exact same story only they were building the tower out of fear of the previously stated Flood>they then want you to ignore the rapid end of the ice age and the devastation of the Ice Sheets Melting and entire land Masses like Doggerland and Sundaland being lostWhat else gets your noggin joggin.
flood is a myth because scientific facts debunk itit's likely a localized middle eastern flood>same time periodChina somehow had a civilization while your bible flood was going>ice agewas not even mentioned in the bible lol
>>42738324Actually there's a growing list of scientific facts that support it. It's actually dumber to just believe that there's never been a catastrophic globally disruptive event in the recent human past that exists as a shared oral tradition than to believe that they're all just stupid liars. You are stupider than they were. You are a giant fucking rat fuck retard asshat big fucking retarded assmonkey. Die in a fire, deboonker
>>42738334sediments debunk it lolalso every human has experienced a flood at some point lol there's your shared memory
>>42738324Are you talking about the Science that Freemasons use to create fabricated lies? like the moon landing?
>>42738377Have you seen these sediments?
>>42738285If these flood stories are all describing a singular event, why do they only ever describe local geography that then and their neighbors knew about but never mention these landmasses that vanished or existing landmasses that didn’t disappear under the waves? And why are they always dedicated to different deities and pantheons? And why do the sources of the flood waters vary between regions? >tower of babel equivalent in the Americas in societies that mastered agriculture and architecture and erected massive megalithic structures That begs the question as to why it was absent from hunter gatherer societies in Australia, Africa, Micronesia, Oceania, Polynesia that didn’t have large megalithic structures, and even some South American societies that even had megalithic buildings as well. It makes sense that contact with Catholic missionaries in Mesoamerica would influence oral traditions about how they built their megalithic buildings. We don’t have any way of knowing for sure without a Time Machine.
>>42738422If we didn’t land on the moon, why didn’t the Soviets debunk us landing on the moon? They had every reason to do so.
>>42738444Between your mom’s asscheeks, schlomo
>>42738765>If these flood stories are all describing a singular event, why do they only ever describe local geographyAre you assuming they had internet or some shit to know?>>42738285Based off the posts in this thread humanity is a majority too fucking stupid to make basic logical conclusions such as yours, OP. Further interesting research: every continent had civilizations that believe a rainbow water dragoness created the world. This is where the term 'Matrix' comes from. Either the deities were real or the world was vastly more connected back in the day. The people themselves literally say the deities were real and gave them technology and knowledge instead of global trade. Why not believe them.
>>42738857>can’t answer one question and feels the need to side step the rest Lmao, just admit that you can’t answer them and you can only justify this belief by pointing a broad pattern while ignoring the crucial details in these stories. They can’t all be based on the same event because, again, the reasons for the flood vary, the sources of the floodwaters vary, the descriptions of the landscapes vary, and they are almost always dedicated to different deities and pantheons of deities. I’m sure there exists some ancient social memory of the younger dryas impact, but that would’ve led to separate flooding and tsunami events in the regions affected by the blast and shockwave. Similarly, while the primordial past described in the Torah is likely a product of the Bronze Age collapse and the rise of the Iron Age, I’m sure the flood narrative in Genesis is partially rooted in a distant social memory of the Persian gulf growing over the course of generations following the younger dryas impact.
>>42738896Look how much you type while saying so little. You are *assuming* these were different pantheons. A bit odd EVERY SINGLE ONE of these religions started from deities descending from the sky onto a mountain. What a coincidence! They also departed knowledge in every single one of these religions... and all claim a water dragon associated with rainbows and chaos created the earth... and mention a rebellion of the creatrix's offspring... and mention a global flood... and had human sacrifices...all total fucking coincidences for internet dumbass #43572. Go write more moronic essays detailing your difficulty in explaining basic ideas.
>>42739124>>42738896Forgot one point that may be mentioned 'but what about christianity' the book of Genesis is taken from the Sumerian creation and flood mythos. Tiamat creating the world out of chaotic waters is mirrored from El creating the world out of Tehom (chaos). The exact flood myth of the bible is heavily copied from the Eridu Genesis (while flood myths across the world are a bit more different). So, no, it's not from the Jews having their corn fields flooded you fucking hylic, profane faggot.
>>42738324a large part of china is far above sea level, enough for their civilization to have been able to survive, wouldnt have been a fun time for the coastal ones thoalso gun-yu myth, a flood roughly 4k years ago that lasted for 2 generations>>42738857the watchers (its a cool story ok) did do all those things yeah, 'taught man magic' but magic in ancient historic context is just technology so we were taught industry (ma-chines that performed ma-gic, english is very esoteric), ofcourse it started smallIndustry also scaled up the severity of conflict because now you can field an army and supply it because of production, this also gave a sense of scarcity and fed into war so good (not really) thing it allowed us to field armies
>>42738768not OP but the same reason all nations use the nuke card, in case you have not noticed all nations on earth and under the control of the same child eating cabal
>>42738285The flood myth could be a genetic memory from a predecessor. It could’ve been from a non-hominid ancestor that was driven into the trees by a flood period for all we know.
>>42738285its weird how captain science whos trying so hard to debunk you dosnt mention any science.>younger dryas melt water pulse 1 a.
>>42739197>iran, Russia, and China are all under the thumb of the yids How I wish that were true. >>42739206Vaguely plausible. The Sahara was at one point an arid grassland. >>42739140>jews growing corn Lmao, this retard thinks ancient kikes grew corn. Everyone, point and laugh at the retard.
>>42738324Haha look at this gullible midwit
>>42739219It could be deeper in time than the Sahara. Some think dragons are genetic memories of dinosaurs and pterosaurs. What sort of mythological creatures are the floods associated with? Tiamat was the mother of dragons who ruled the waters.
>>42739213MWP-1A ended with the beginning of the younger dryas period and the younger dryas ends with MWP-1B. I mention that in posts ITT. The thing is those MWP’s took place over the course of centuries. What makes more sense is that as sea levels receded, populations were forced inland. But all of this happened long before people started putting flood myths to paper. Plus, there’s nowhere near enough water on the surface of the earth to cover the entire earth. Rising sea levels forcing mass migrations in the distant past being the source of the stories makes more sense than everyone getting drenched only a few thousand years ago despite most civilizations being just fine when everyone is supposed to have been underwater.
>>42739241>The thing is those MWP’s took place over the course of centuries.allegidly, keep playing with ocean sediment catalogues well ignoring catastrophic geology, youve already tipped your kippah.>was not even mentioned in the bible lol
>>42739241>Plus, there’s nowhere near enough water on the surface of the earth to cover the entire earth. you did the bible thing again here, you moved the goal post from floods everywhere to -the mountains are submerged-and as to your last sentance where you try to compare the distant past to afew thousand years ago when what were talking about is just afew thousand years ago so you can conflate a global flood with afew people getting drenched... what were you even trying to do there?ps the finger lakes you see in this image are the same effect you see in my previous image of - a cataract.
>>42738334>Basedintist want me to believe>there's a growing list of scientific factsOh, so they scoyence is just fine when you can cherrypick support for your idea
>>42739348the history of cataclysmic events in geology is hardly done and decided. its not a cannon you pick though to select arguments, its an ongoing science poisoned by generations of hyper gradualists who fail to recognize discrete events And whom were edgy atheists who intentionally decanonized anything even vaguly biblically adjacent.
>>42739225you believe in talking snakes and flying rabbis>>42739194the jewish book says everyone died except noah's family. it lied then
its almost like every corner or the earth had floods and every civilisation that ever existed witnessed floods and when the rain finally slows down theres a pretty high chance there will be a rainbow in the sky at some pointIm as schizo as they come but even im not retarded enough to not understand literally everyone has witnessed a flood at some point in their life and it's a pretty fucking memorable event seeing the land thats usually dry have a fuckton of raging rapid water destroying everything in its path, the water also seems to come out of no where with no warning so in times before news and weather warnings it probably did seem like some deity sent a big fuckton of water to wipe everyone out for being assholes and fuckwits
>>42738285The Younger Dryas impact hypothesis connects so many puzzle pieces in the human puzzle it's actually insane.And the main reason why it was slowed, and fought against so hard was all for complete control of energy prowess.The technologies are being tested and built now but I don't know that we'll see actual implementation of them for another few years.Or at all for some of the frequency related ones.
>>42739369True. Also if you're going to validate the flood myth then you should pick the earliest recorded one and not jewish plagiarism you call the bible
>>42739496>Be 10,000 years ago>Humans are no different than today>Still a bunch of self serving assholes, retards and normies reinforcing a corrupt society ruining everything that's good>Some natural dam 20 kms away that's held for hundreds of years breaks in a freak weather event>Out of no where a tower of water comes and washes away your civilisation killing almost everyone>Survivors are happy that the human filth all got wiped out >Believe it possible this cataclysmic event happened because some deity was watching them all be pieces of shit for centuries and finally decided enough is enough and kill everyone>Rain finally stops.. Oh look rainbow>Make up story about how deity killed everyone for being pieces of shit>Random act of nature ends up putting the fear of God into everyone with the threat that if they misbehave they'll be utterly wiped out again>100 years later people are back to acting like pieces of shit again>No floods happen again because they are random events that can go centuries without ever happening and/or the previous flood changes the landscape so that particular area no longer gets affected>Hmm maybe the rainbow thing we saw was God saying he was only going to kill us once and he wont do it anymoreFlood myths are the most easily explained myths to exist, how many of us secretly wish some cataclysmic event would wipe all the scum off the face of the earth so we can just live peaceful lives and be happy, so when some event happens that does wipe out a large portion of humans we just see it as divine punishment.The fear of divine punishment via naturals disasters like volcanos, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, lightning, disease etc probably kept humans in check for thousands of years, perhaps one of the reasons we are so fucked up now is because no one has this fear of God anymore
>>42739570how much did the water rise at the end of the ice age?
>>42739594probably enough to wipe out a few civilisations and start an atlantis myth
>>42739615donno if your the same guy i was responding too, but if its that large its not >>Some natural dam 20 kms away that's held for hundreds of years breaks in a freak weather eventand if your a different guy.. how much did some of the land sink at the end of the last ice age?
>>42739622retard doesn't know that the biggest floods in history didnt just happen because of lots of rain happened, the biggest most dangerous floods happen because lots of rain cause some kind of catchment to collapse and spill out decades/centuries of collected water in a split second.Lots of rain isnt even that dangerous, it's lots of rain causing catchments to spill over that is dangerous
>>42739730>Lots of rain isnt even that dangerousWhile i agree with most of your point, flash floods are a thing and kill lots of people.Lots of rain up in the mountains flows down the hard-packed soil that cant absorb it and ten miles away you get a wall of water that kills and destroys anything in its path.
>>42739394>The Younger Dryas impact hypothesis connects so many puzzle pieces in the human puzzle it's actually insane.You do realise why it's so resisted, right?YDIH + Black Sea deluge hypothesis (as the Great Flood) means we just identified where Noah (or whatever your religion calls this figure) physically came from - and therefore his ethnicity not being from the Middle East, but far further North. The Younger Dryas coincides with the spread into Western and Northern Europe (eventually) from the North of the Black Sea of several Y-chromosome groups. The potential implication that God's chosen people are the ancestors of modern Europeans (and their descendants in the New World) not Jews.That's why those two hypotheses are pushed back on so much in particular. Asians might even go along with it, because this group North of the Black Sea who are the ancestors of modern Europeans ... have distance ancestors who started out in modern day South East Asia. Over 40,000 years before Genghis Khan before anyone asks if there's a connection.
I'd file the flood myth under Pre-Agricultural Collective Memory. Anatomically Modern Humans have been around for 300,000 years. We have stories told reaching back to 10,000 years ago thanks to aborigines. It's within the realm of possibility that some major flood did take place when the human population was under 1 million that they kept talking about and passed along to their decedents.
>>42738324flood is 100% not a myth
>>42739213Okay but this is hardly meaningful in a world of weather control.
>>42738768America was always behind soviet russia. Look up Antony Sutton's work.
>>42740582why dose man kind controlling the weather mean the isostatic subsidence that occured in conjunction with younger dryas melt water pulse 1 a is hardly meaningful? i dont even see a connection between the topics?!>>42739730> just happen because of lots of rain happened,try asking this guy he seems to think there is one.
>>42738285>>Basedintist want me to believe that ancient people from all across the world many of them living in areas that witnessed regular floods, tsunamis, and hurricanes all mistook a bad flood as a Global Flood"hey, you know those floods we get? Wouldn't it be fucked up if there was like a really BIG one and the water went, you know, Everywhere?" is a pretty easy thought process>>they want me to ignore the ludicrous fact that all these Flood Myths originated around the same time periodDid they? or was it just that they were all written down within a couple thousand years of writing being invented?>>they also want me to ignore how many of the specifically refer to an Ark of some kind and people riding the Ark"A really big boat" is a pretty obvious solution to the question of how you survive a really big flood.>>They really Want you to ignore that Hawaii's Symbol is a Rainbow because Hawaiians believe the gods showed a rainbow to them as proof it was overThing that happens when the sun comes out is a sign that the rain's over. News at eleven.>>they then want you to believe the Tower of Babel is just Hebrew Nonsense when Mesoamericans literally had the exact same story only they were building the tower out of fear of the previously stated Flood'What if someone built a really tall building" is also a pretty easy idea to come up with.>>they then want you to ignore the rapid end of the ice age and the devastation of the Ice Sheets Melting and entire land Masses like Doggerland and Sundaland being lostYeah, there were regional floods- doggerland, sundaland, the black sea, the persian gulf, etc. And you know, maybe they did survive as folk-memories, and explain some of the flood myths. But these were coastal areas and inland basins. There was plenty of land that didn't flood, too, so it was hardly the global inundation that flood myths describe.
>>42738285Every time there has been an earthquake or volcano or meteorite causing a tsunami the surviving humans told stories about the flood for hundreds of years afterwards. From thousands of years later it looks like it's only one giant event. Most of the really giant events were long eons before humans even existed.
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>>42738285The world's flood myths are vastly different, though. For example, in China, their great flood does not destroy their civilization at all, and no boats are involved. They solve it through engineering. Doesn't that contradict the whole point of the Mesopotamian story?
>>42746323>Most of the really giant events were long eons before humans even existed.>long eons before humans even existed.most yes.... but a global flood did actually happen just 12,000 years ago.
>>42739394people have mentioned the frequency of flood myths in this thread already... seems a bunch of cultures have a day of the dead celebration in October too.. gee i wonder when dose earth pass though the torid meteor swarm?>impact hypothesis
>>42748603IMO the flood myth isn't "global", but it is found in: Ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Ancient Greece/Rome (Hellenism), and the Abrahamic religions. That to me points to this flood being specific to somewhere around the Black Sea (caused by the Black Sea deluge). It also fits with the Y-haplogroups we see in the modern world - it would have massive implications for the modern world's understanding of our histories and religions. It would however explain why King David had red hair, and Jesus (as described in Islam as Isa) is described as having pale skin and red hair. Also why India/Hinduism and to a lesser extent Buddhism privilege pale skin, they were literally created/ruled by Indo-Aryans with pale skin who were descendants of the survivors of the flood.This is of course assuming the flood myth is based on a true event, and not some creation of man to convey an idea. If/when time trave is possible, there's going to be so much we have to go back and see what the hell our ancestors were trying to record.
>>42748862>WE WUZ JEWS
>>42748894Nah, Judaism (and therefore the Old Testament) is just stolen and corrupted stories from older religions/myths. It's not about who is an "Israelite", it's about who is descended from those who survived the flood. Who has royal/divine blood in their veins, and where to look for ancient sites (under the Black Sea and the surrounding area). It's just a shame there's a hot war right where humans as we know ourselves today emerged. Because it certainly wasn't sub-Saharan Africa - they never even independently invented the wheel, and never developed beyond mud huts alone.
>>42748941royal blood doesn't mean anything you're still just a random shitting human"divine" blood only means you are a demonic mongrel in this realm. you stupid wannabe nephilim
>>42739140Abraham was a descendant of Noah and lived in the city of Ur. I think there was an assumption that it was the same myth. I'm not even going down that rabbit hole because we have yo talk about Melchizedek and so on.
>>42739369I understand that but you are doing a disservice to those people by assuming they wouldn't understand a flood. You'll have to excuse me I forgot to post this.>Meltwater Pulses: The warming wasn't a smooth process. As the massive glaciers over North America and Northwestern Europe thinned, they became unstable. This led to massive "meltwater pulses," where sea levels surged by up to 65 feet in just a few hundred years.The Younger>Dryas Catastrophe: Just as the world was warming, a massive influx of freshwater into the North Atlantic shut down ocean currents, causing a sudden and severe return to ice-age conditions. Temperatures in places like Greenland plummeted by up to 9°C in a matter of decades.>The 1st Sumerian King Aliulim is recorded to have lived 10,000 years before the Great Flood but archeologist think this is a myth because Civilization can't possibly be that old.>Trade Routes have been found across Europe dating back to 30,000 bc.>Native American tribes talk about literally watching the Great Lakes fill up it happened so fast>maps of the world before the ice sheets withdrew show that Indonesia was connected to the Mainland, England was Connected to the Mainland and there was a land Bridge at the Gates of Heracles at the mouth of the Mediterranean were much closer and allowed for fast travel between Africa and Europe>The Sahara transitioned from a lush, green savanna to an arid desert roughly 5,000 to 6,000 years ago. This rapid drying was caused by subtle shifts in the Earth's axis and orbit, which weakened monsoon rains and caused terminal ecosystem collapse.Before this transition, the region experienced the>"Green Sahara" (or African Humid Period) between 11,000 and 5,000 years ago. During this time, northern Africa was covered in grasslands, forests, and large lakes, supporting wildlife like hippos and crocodiles, as well as pastoral human communities who left behind rich rock art.
>>42748972>you're still just a random shitting humanIt has implications for the End Times and who can enter paradise. It's why the 3 Abrahamic faiths fight and in-fight. It's all about who is right about how to enter heaven (or word meaning good afterlife).All 3 of them have End Times prophecies which (depending how you read them) can not only all come "true", but are at various stages of unfolding today. If there start to be massive earthquakes across the Middle East, and the magnetic pole changes (causing the Sun to rise in the "West"), I'll honestly have to start believing in religion.
I'll hust start with Native Americans because they're so culturally connected to the Middle East.>Anishinaabe (Ojibwe / Cree): Features the cultural hero Waynaboozhoo (or Nanabozho). After a great serpent floods the earth, Waynaboozhoo escapes on a raft with various animals. He sends a muskrat to dive down and retrieve a handful of mud, which is placed on a turtle's back to expand into Turtle Island (North America).>Lakota Sioux: Attributes the great deluge to Unktehi, a massive primeval water monster. The Grandfather Spirit punished Unktehi by turning her to stone—creating the ridges of the modern-day Badlands. A single girl survived the waters by clinging to a high ridge, rescued by a spotted eagle; their descendants repopulated the earth.>Hopi: Details the destruction of the Third World due to corruption and a departure from spiritual paths. Righteous people were sealed inside hollow reeds by the Spider Woman and floated to the tops of the mountains, emerging into the current Fourth World.Klallam & Coast >Salish: Preserves oral histories of a sudden, catastrophic rising of the Pacific Ocean that forced villages to flee into their canoes. >Chickasaw: Recounts a great rain where people built rafts to escape. Giant white beavers cut the ropes binding the rafts, drowning the corrupt population except for one chosen family. As the waters receded, a raven returned with an ear of corn to signal that the land was ready for replanting.
The Pacific Islands.>The Flood of Ruahatu (Tahiti & Eimeo): In Tahitian mythology, the sea god Ruahatu fell asleep on a coral reef. A fisherman accidentally caught his hair with a fishhook, waking the angry deity. Ruahatu threatened to destroy the entire island as punishment. Feeling sympathy for the fisherman, the god instructed him and his wife to flee to a small, high islet. The rest of Tahiti was completely submerged by the ocean, wiping out all people and animals. After the waters subsided, the surviving couple repopulated the island.>The Deluge of Tawhaki (New Zealand Māori): In Māori traditions, the culture hero Tawhaki was a demigod who suffered a massive military defeat. Retreating with his surviving warriors to a heavily fortified village atop a high mountain, Tawhaki called upon the heavens for divine vengeance. The gods answered by releasing a catastrophic deluge that completely covered the earth. All of humanity perished in the flood except for Tawhaki and his companion, who successfully scaled the tallest peak to survive.>The Ocean of Hinalere / Kekaiakahinalii (Hawaii): This Hawaiian legend recounts a massive ocean rise caused by the sea entities Kahinalie and Hinakaauaumoana. They were searching the islands for their lost daughter, Kuula, who had left the ocean world to live on land. As the parents searched, the waters of the Pacific Ocean rose dramatically, swallowing the lowlands and driving the peace-loving people all the way up to the snow-capped peak of Mauna Kea before the waters finally retreated.>The Battle of Mangaia (Cook Islands): In the Cook Islands, a massive deluge occurred due to a violent cosmic conflict between two rival gods. The immense warfare caused the ocean to swell and breach the shores, threatening to sweep the entire population away. The very first King of Mangaia had to personally intercede, throwing himself before the great god Rongo to beg for the protection of his people and bring an end to the rising waters.
Indonesia >The Toraja Creation Myth (Sulawesi)According to Toraja folklore, a catastrophic flood once covered the entire earth, with the water level rising until it reached the summit of Mount Wawom Pebato (which they point out is evidenced by seashells found in the hills). Only a pregnant woman and a pregnant mouse managed to survive by escaping in a pig's trough and paddling with a pot-ladle. After the waters receded, the mouse secured a sheaf of rice for the woman in exchange for the promise that mice would forever be allowed to eat a portion of future harvests. The woman then gave birth to a son, whom she later married; together, they became the ancestors of humanity.>The Batak Deluge Legend (Sumatra)In Batak mythology, the supreme creator, Debata, sent a massive flood to cleanse the world when it grew old and dirty. A single pair of humans survived by taking refuge on the highest mountain as the water rose to their knees, effectively washing the world clean and allowing them to repopulate the earth.
Mesoamerican>The Aztec Story of Coxcox: In this account detailed in the Wikipedia Coxcox entry, the god of water (Tlaloc) or Tezcatlipoca warned a devout couple, Tata and Nena. They survived the worldwide deluge by taking refuge in a hollowed-out cypress trunk that landed on a mountain. Another variation from the Codex Chimalpopoca notes they were each given one ear of corn to survive.>The Maya Popol Vuh: In the Maya tradition, the flood was sent as a divine punishment against the "wooden people" (an early, imperfect creation of humanity) because they did not remember their creators. The great flood destroyed them, causing them to either drown or be turned into monkeys.>The Lacandon Tradition: Recorded among indigenous jungle groups in southeastern Mexico, this tale follows a deity who instructed a man to build a boat. The boat enclosed a man and woman of every lineage, as well as samples of animals and seeds, allowing them to repopulate the world after the deluge.
>>42749016>>42749032>>42749037>>42749045>>42749051I'd just be cautious in trying to claim a true global flood. Localised flooding can happen almost anywhere, and trying to tie all instances of major floods from all over the world will result in chronology issues.Trying to stay grounded in what we know about weather/climate, even global rainfall isn't possible, let along enough for global massive floods. It really has to be more localised if there was ever a Great Flood that wiped out an entire civilisation - it destroyed *their* world.The two candidates I like are either the Black Sea deluge dispersing the people South and East or the pre-Indus Valley Civilisation during a freak monsoon washing the survivors to the Middle East. Such events are very grounded in reality, and have other supporting evidence (genetics and culture spread).
when everyone lives near the water and you have half a planets worth of water (from the missing planet Tiamat between mars and Jupiter that makes up the asteroid belt) hit the earth as ice and it causes the sea levels to rise 2 miles overnight, it means we live in a drowned world.>>42740228>We have stories told reaching back to 10,000 years ago thanks to aboriginessounds like injuns with the liquor stories they tell gullible whites for booze and drug money.>>42741293no they werent. they had to steal tooling from us and germany till they collapsed.
