How do you know this? Is this from real world experience or from watching movies?
>>42740428tried selling my soul to marbas at one of my lowest points. started seeing figures in the house for a couple weeks but this went away. now im with Jesus fully.
>>42740428This should honestly be one of babbys first lessons and children should know this by age 7.
it's from christian bullshit is wheresame as everything else they pulled from their asses in their heyday to prejudice people against this or that and make out their stinky jewish cult as being the only legitimate game in town
>>42740464>muh christianZsatan guy pops right in on cue
>>42740450If you sell your soul for something what did you really get because you yourself are now the property of someone else so everything you have by extension is also theirs.Dumbest trick in the book and the 13th amendment says slavery is illegal
>>42740428Drawing the circle, signing in blood, stuff like that. Earth is like a prison, you do not want to be indebted to anyone, not God, not the devil. Never forget, that shit doesn't obligate them to your wishes; by following their convoluted steps, you are showing submission to them.They would be more likely to "help" you, since your submission is their goal, but they could rugpull or monkey paw you at any time, and they will ask a favor of you regardless.
>>42740450What did you get in return?>>42740529I'm at the point where I'd accept just about any terms.
>>42740428>>42740464Young's Literal Translation34 but I -- I say to you, not to swear at all; neither by the heaven, because it is the throne of God,35 nor by the earth, because it is His footstool, nor by Jerusalem, because it is a city of a great king,36 nor by thy head mayest thou swear, because thou art not able one hair to make white or black;37 but let your word be, Yes, Yes, No, No, and that which is more than these is of the evil.
5 Keep thy feet when thou goest unto a house of God, and draw near to hear rather than to give of fools the sacrifice, for they do not know they do evil.2 Cause not thy mouth to hasten, and let not thy heart hasten to bring out a word before God, for God is in the heavens, and thou on the earth, therefore let thy words be few.3 For the dream hath come by abundance of business, and the voice of a fool by abundance of words.4 When thou vowest a vow to God, delay not to complete it, for there is no pleasure in fools; that which thou vowest -- complete.5 Better that thou do not vow, than that thou dost vow and dost not complete.6 Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin, nor say before the messenger, that `it [is] an error,' why is God wroth because of thy voice, and hath destroyed the work of thy hands?7 For, in the abundance of dreams both vanities and words abound; but fear thou God.8 If oppression of the poor, and violent taking away of judgment and righteousness thou seest in a province, do not marvel at the matter, for a higher than the high is observing, and high ones [are] over them.9 And the abundance of a land is for all. A king for a field is served.10 Whoso is loving silver is not satisfied [with] silver, nor he who is in love with stores [with] increase. Even this [is] vanity.11 In the multiplying of good have its consumers been multiplied, and what benefit [is] to its possessor except the sight of his eyes?12 Sweet [is] the sleep of the labourer whether he eat little or much; and the sufficiency of the wealthy is not suffering him to sleep.
>>42740551>I'm at the point where I'd accept just about any terms.No, you aren't. The only reason you say that is because you don't quite believe it yet. They are real, and they hate you more than you have frame of reference for. The only reason they would do these things for you is if it allows them to someday vent that hate on you. They have been demanding my soul for 10 years, consistently. "This can all end, just give us your soul."I've seen enough to know it doesn't end, that would be giving away the last advantage I have against them, same for you. I implore you, wait it out. Do not rely on them. You have an eternity, do not sell it for one life.
>>42740486im of the impression that selling your soul isnt truly possible so im all good because i belong to Jesus.
>>42740428I wonder why supernaturals need deals or contracts at all, taking honey from the bees don't need their consent.I wonder
>>42740551asked for health. dont think i got anything. because it isnt really possible to sell your soul so for some people i guess it doesnt work. maybe it is possible though and Jesus just blocked me from being able to do it because He loves me too much.
>>42740602Maybe it suggests that the power dynamic between you and them isn't what you imagine it to be
>>42740593>they hate you more than you have frame of reference forWhy tho?Hatred of people who have never harmed you is ridiculous and usually a simplification of a more complex reality
>>42740605Man that sucks. Did Jesus give you health?
>>42740641nope still in heart failure.
>>42740636>Why tho?Can't really tell you, educated guess is It's just how they were designed. All is merely a manipulation. They both play for the same team.
>>42740672Typical Jesus.I'm sorry anon and I hope that you get your wish.
>>42740672yea your god would never save you xD
>>42740683That sucks. Reminds me of Demon Slayer, how the demons were just people forced to do evil things by blood they had no control over.Well, the worst that can happen is eternal torture. But at least I'd keep my mind.
>>42740428>>42740428>If you make a deal with a supernatural entity you'll regret itGod's a super natural entity though and erryone erryday trys to haggle with that one
>>42740695As someone who will in all likelihood be tortured for eternity, that is a very dumb train of thought. That would be a very dumb decision. >But at least I'd keep my mind.they put people in micro simulations and kill them in horrifying ways, over and over. They wipe their memories each time. These are the unseen battery cells that power the demiurge.
>>42740717Then I'm fucked either way so I might as well make a deal
>>42740736You do you
>>42740428Depends on the deal, for example, goetia is: you do stuff for a demon, the demon does stuff for u. Pay or be turned gay
>>42740736What do you need?
>>42740826Anon, I can do one of the following:a) Forward you to where magick (demonic or your own) is learntb) Try and grant your boon, but you'll owe me. (Fair warning, I'm not human).Clarification: I detest worship, but I may want something in return.
>>42740428Watch stories of Exorcist Father Dan Reehil on youtube.
>>42740428 Consecrate yourself to the Sacred heart to Jesus Christ. If you want help, ask him.
>>42740428Which is why you should reject any and all "covenants" even with seemingly benevolent beings.
Only negative 4D entities make deals. A real being of light would help you expecting nothing at all, is that simple.
>the vatican church>government psychiatric doctors>teachers in school hiding their cultist jobs (probably freemasons)I hate them all, the root of all my suffering
There is nothing to sell. Dont waste time listening to priests and gurus, they want your $$$ in exchange for no benefit
>>42740464demonic possession pacts and all that stuff predates christianity you dumb young faggot
>>42744261Do you have examples?
>>42744283https://scholar.umw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1557&context=student_research
Someone is bullshitting then. Along the years I've seen posts here and elsewhere with testimonies about Goetia practitioners having stable relationships with the entities the choose to make a pact with. If you decide to forge pacts with chaotic entities, well, expect chaos. Usually those are summoned by rotten people with bad intentions to cause death or disgrace so they are haunted by their actions later.The soul selling thing. That's something I've never heard from a practitioner. You can't sell your soul and honestly that always sounds like a fear mongering cliché. Don't these entities require a certain level of strong will depending on who you're invoking and gifts of material stuff? Usually metals and natural resources?I'm not a Goetia practicioner yet, but I am making sure I learn about it before I take the dive. So. Who is bullshitting? Honest question.
If you dont suffer the consequences in this earthly life you will suffer them after death
>>42740850My own magick? Not that anon but how is that possible? I'm not really familiar with this stuff but I thought magick was channelling something else through you, not creating it on your own. Where would you start?
>>42744261so? I wasn't disagreeing that "deals" with spirits or cases of "possession" occurred pre-christ insanitythe point is that your piece of shit CULT prejudicially calls alllllllll cases "demonic" (everything I hate is demons durrr) and says you'll regret it, and really just all-around ooga boogas everyone about any spiritual contact or experiences at all outside of Jesus Christ Inc.you have no real basis for calling everything "demons" and can't guarantee a bad outcome for everyone, this is all just christ-insanity propaganda, your own special brand of shit not pre-dated by anything
>>42740450Were the figures a problem or something? We all have house spirits maybe he just made them visible
>>42746250i kept seeing figures walking into me or right past me. they didnt bother me too much but i did start to want to stay in bed more just to avoid seeing them when walking around. nothing had much definition, they disappeared quickly.
>>42740450There's no such a thing as selling your soul to a demon in Ars Goetia. You're full of shit. You just want to push your christian scare tactics.
>>42746704full of shit? i didnt care what it said in that book. i made up my own contract and used my blood and attempted to do it anyways. spirits in the house were the result. simple as.
>>42740598If you couldn't sell your soul, then you wouldn't be able to sell your soul to Jesus, either.
>>42744942>The soul selling thing. That's something I've never heard from a practitioner.An insider thread once said it's not selling your soul it's selling your time and obligation into the next life and beyond. Usually to promote the entity's influence in whatever societal sphere you/they operate within. The Goetia itself is a flawed treaty, it's basically demonic fanfiction written by humans. The Goetic demons aren't even that demonic compared to others because everything written about them boxes them into a sham category. Servants of the host don't usually walk around telling people and it's not like the movies where possession is fantastically obvious.
>>42746869i believe my soul belonged to Jesus before i even tried to sell it.
>>42740850NTA, but how much does option (a) cost?Also, if you're not human, what are you?
>>42740428You might regret it, you might not.
>>42746869This is a fundamentally understanding of how the soul works. When Jesus paid the price for your sins, he paid for your salvation, but free will still exists. Ultimately, your soul is yours to do with as you choose, but is entirely based on your actions. If you "sell" your soul then, that is essentially meaning you do a thing or change your ways, which you can change at any time because of free will. People do not automatically belong to Christ even though he paid the price. They must still use their actions to show this transaction else the purchase was meaningless.
>>42746869This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the soul works and what it is. When Jesus paid the price for your sins, he paid for your salvation, but free will still exists. Ultimately, your soul is yours to do with as you choose and the ownership is entirely based on your actions.If you "sell" your soul then, that is essentially meaning you do something in perpetuity to match this alignment,. However, it can still be change at any time because of free will. Additionally, people do not automatically belong to Christ even though he paid the price. They must still use their actions to show this transaction else the purchase was meaningless.With all that said, God does allow possessions and a reprobate mind based on what YOU invite to you as component of free will. He, nonetheless, does not enforce contracts for selling your "soul", and God is the only one with the power to do so.
>>42740468I tried selling my soul to Satan in exchange for ultimate unholy powers.But turns out I actually signed a contract for basic financial services from Stan in accounting.
>>42748785Isn't that the guy that kidnapped his pregnant wife locked her in his trunk and drove off a bridge in a murder-suicide?How the fuck do you end up with a contract with that no-rizz low life? He must've drugged you or something because there is no way.
>>42745742>>42745742Chaos Magick, if trained, will take you places, learn kinesic stuff, and fo qigong. >>42748017Depends on your need to learn both and hoard. I'm a demon. Non abrahamic.
>>42746023but it is demons , and demons aren´t inherently evil , it´s what you call disembodied spirits.you really need to get off your christianity hate train.daemon comes from greek.calling spirits demons is completely fine and valid.you probably imagine some horned winged red hoofeed thing when i say demon.far from the truthyou also may have a daemon / fae , attached to YOU knowing or unknowingly.nothing wrong with that , a lot of us do on this board , 50/50 larping and real ones.
>>42740464Is punctuation also Christian bullshit? Dumb faggot.
