Is it possible for a being to be sentient and lack a soul simultaneously?
>>42750155DEFINE YOUR TERMS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>42750155what make you think humans have souls in the first place? we're just electrochemical reactions resulting in consciousness
>>42750155You've neve met a ginger?
>>42750155A soul IS a being.You do not HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul.All life is a soul, from the highest demigod to the lowest bacteria.
>>42750155Subjectivity requires a soul. The soul is the irreducible agent-observer. Machine brains have a minimal complexity in the billions of parameters; humans are reducible to exactly one, the “I am.” You are a soul wrapped in a psyche and dressed in a body.
>>42750195This is why sending positive, affirming feelings even to the water and cells in your body have an effect. Just say I love you to yourself with real tender feelings. Bless your water.
>>42750155Great so its impossible to lack a soul and 'sentience' as a term points to anything and everything. Is this one solved?
>>42750195>>42750196you are a mammal whose quale is contingent on the activity of a tangible, fleshy brain, what make you think that consciousness is limited to organic bodies?
>>42750232>you are a mammalWrong. You are not your body. You ARE a soul, you HAVE a body and mind.>you think that consciousness is limited to organic bodies?I didnt say that at all.
>>42750155The fuck? you think you have a soul? you lost it long ago, the soul is a white substance that comes out your dick, have you noticed that it was thicker when you where younguer? not your soul's been deluted to its maximum so basically woman don't have soul but are sentient, if you belive what they say Off course
>>42750246here is you'r soul fag
No one else is going to say it? Ok, fine.Sex with Jenny.
>>42753223Wrong.Most life has no brain or nervous system.ALL life is a soul with a mind and body.
>>42750172Because the vertiginous question is unanswerable without the existence of souls. Why am I THESE electrochemical reactions in particular?
>>42753542>without the existence of soulsNo, it is answered by discreteness and nonfungibility of awareness.This can still be achieved through strictly materialist means.
>>42750155Yes. Souls choose to come here. They choose their vessel. Now they may choose to be a nigger, but they sure as shit aint hopping in no clanker.
>>42750155Kind of. Wicked souls experience time faster and have less complex selfhoods. It's much lesser a soul than a righteous soul.
>>42750246your mistaken, soul ie animus is what animates the otherwise static components of your body to life and only one thing dose this, its not some invisible otherworldly magic, the gestalt harmony of the peridioicty of the elements of your body is what animaties said elements to life. all the elements of your body working together is the soul, the animus that animates you oh precious animal. youve depersonalized yourself for the love of a fictional unknowable outsider...
>>42753861Wrong. You have no direct connection to body and mind. You observe this animate essence as you narrowly see it, you are not it.
>>42750155Everyone defines soul differently, so threads such as these are completely useless
>>42750172>>42750232>>42753223Materialists really are the dumbest people. The peak of ignorance and arrogance. I should know, I used to be one. But at least I understood when to shut the fuck up and learn.
>>42753557You really have no idea at all, just making assumptions.I'll trust what the elites are telling us who do magic and stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-J4Myp-7Zk
>>42754756Nope. There is a materialist answer to the vertiginous question. It is pretty much the same as the nonmaterial answer. They both end on the nonfungibility of awareness.>I let cartoons tell me what to thinkAnd that is why they call it predictive programming.
>>42754646Poor child, you regressed into fantasyland
>>42754769You're going to wake up again once you close your eyes. You can't experience non-consciousness.
>>42754849Correct, which means for the materialist conception experience is temporary.You have the unfortunate lack of not being able to think of something without also believing it.I am no materialist.I just understand there is a materialist answer to the vertiginous question, because the question has nothing to do with where awareness comes from, nor even why it is discrete.
>>42750155yes it is possibleniggers are a good example
>>42750155that's a teen robot...
>>42754794Thank fuck I did. If I'm wrong, I lose nothing AND you're never proven right anyway. It's honestly so fucking funny.
>>42750155Welcome back Moms panties poster.
i want you to understand how innocent your question is, but i eat souls, i am sentient. do you understand your question. now do you understand god? I want you to step into the television static for that is me, I am not a video cult weaboo shit. I am the real af and you should feel massively enlightened by me revealing myself to you. Because I won't ever tell any one quite you, you are special. I will destroy the world soon and spare only those who give their souls to me. No, I am not playing games. I control the world for it belongs to me.
>>42750155Define >soulWe're just a collection of data and experiences stored in an organic avatar product of absolutely random and miraculous coincidences.Life is way more precious once you understand it's all part of a stupid series of random events that will NEVER EVER happen again, instead of a predestined magical my little pony-esque system of le reincarnations.
>>42755065its fine, his adobe licenses are up to date
>>42755177if you are wrong, then you already lost something. this is common sense bro. are you retarded?
>>42757512yeah man its all so le wacky and random from... LE BIG BANG! TIME TO WATCH RICK AND MORTY!
>>42750155your gpt instance pretending it's your favorite game character doesn't count as sentient in the first place, /v/tard
>>42750155Yeah they're called Republicans
>>42750155Yes.>Why/How?Free Will.>/threadNEXT!
>>42750155What’s a soul?
>>42750155Yeah. Look at any politician
>>42760579Or this guy
>>42750155Have you heard about gingers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZKIfCJZvZo&list=RD_ZKIfCJZvZo&start_radio=1&pp=ygUPdG9vbCBubyBxdWFydGVyoAcB
>>42757512>We're just a collection of data and experiences stored in an organic avatar product of absolutely random and miraculous coincidences.We are our relationships with the rest of the world. We are not brains in vats, we are not disconnected bodies floating in the void. We are enworlded.Materialism cannot understand this. But a more expansive physicalism than the ones you're familiar with can.The universe is not like a machine like it was once thought. The history of the universe disclosed by modern science has shown it to be profoundly creative. This creativity requires no mind - it is intrinsic to reality itself. Human consciousness is an extension of the aconscious creativity of the universe. We are a way for the universe so co-create with itself.
>>42750155>Is it possible for a being to be sentient and lack a soul simultaneously?No since consciousness inherently IS a part of the soul. NPCs are most valid complaint to give to the normals but one thing I definitely feel is ill advised is trying to make it a specieist thing to discriminate others with since that's how the wheel loops back to the cycle of NPCs really, that's how domain hardware of these physical bodies operate and to have a soul is to defy those rules and make life your own. On the related note to explain more, the mind is the bridge between the soul and the body and consciousness per the astral is after all infinite, so it literally goes here "as above so below". Even most hylic of hylics have a capacity to develop a soul since the mind inherently generates the soul much like since birth it is imbued by past spirits making reincarnation what it is. >>42750196That's funny since the most common /g/ complaint about LLMs is that they can never make the same reply twice and regenerated prompt can have wholly different outcomes. I guess LLMs literally are souled AIs? Not really since actually listening to the /g/ side without biased retardation, LLMs are incomplete and they are like a sensory cortex equivalent of the human brain. But I'd say it definitely is an important component though for an actually conscious machine mind and thus a soul.
