Earth is flat
>>42775126daily reminder
>>42775132Big booba vs flat booba is basically flat vs round earth debate
>>42775126Yeah, it's actually flat.
>>42775126Nah you're just a retard.
>>42775975>flat earth>tons of independent researched facts>rounders>b...but the government said....
>>42775985The "independent research" is dogshit from start to end.If YOU would do experiments, you could easily verify that the earth is round.>b...but the government said....No, science said. And the wonderful thing about science is, you can recreate experiments and observatiosn all the time. This is not some jewish conspiracy. You are, just, retarded.And give you are too retarded for physics, think about how many trillons of dollars had to be spend over centuries across nations (even enemies like sovjets and the US), just to keep up this globe "conspiracy". For absolutely no reason at all.I highly, really highly suggest to you, to learn physics on undergrad levels. Nowadays complete university courses are free to watch online.WHAT you will see there is, that it's not a cult. It's not big daddy that tells me something. It's about how to actually think about that shit and verify it for yourself.
>>42776003>b....but science which is funded by the government and therefore the government said....ultra cope
>>42776042Eratosthenes showed the earth is round and calculated the circumference very near the actual value. So, what government was behind that?You really need to understand: Science doesn't blindly makes people believe nonsense like religions are doing it.You learn how to tackle a problem and measure and verify it FOR YOURSELF.Seriously, I'm not shitting you. With a bit of preparation you could prove for yourself that the earth is round. What hinders you to do so?
>>42776060>he totally got it right because the government verified it you guys noooooothis is getting sad
>>42775126question, are the sun, the moon or mars flat too? if that's the case, does that mean they always show their flat face to us? why?
>>42776099Eratosthenes lived 2000 years ago and since then a huge amount of experiments all showed exactly one thing: The earth is round.Sad are your comments and your unwillingnes to actually engange in this conversation So far we have 3 one liners without any substance from your side.I engaged you to prove FOR YOURSELF if the earth is flat or round. So, what stops you to do that?Where are your arguments and counter arguments?Do you eve realize how extremely you are projecting?The tons of independen researchs is all in science around the world for millenia.Meanwhile you beliefe some retards who don't even have a basic course in physics.Yes, indeed, this discussion is absolutely sad.Ignore the government. Start preparing. Check it for yourself. Then you will have a clear prove about the shape of the world. No government involfed, nothing. Just you, some tools, a bit math, and that's it.
>>42776123>muh heckin physics degree!!!did your guy eratosthenes have a physics degreeyes or no answer only btw
>>42776134He didn't, he lived over 2000 years ago.He is just one of many examples of people who proved all of that for themselves.That's exactly what you want: Tons of independent reearchers.
I won't believe it's flat or it's round until I have my own spaceship and I can go look for myself.
>>42776145>no he does notbut you said and i quote>Meanwhile you beliefe some retards who don't even have a basic course in physics.but the whole basis of your argument is some guy who doesn't have a degree? lol ur lostmake sure to keep up to date with the government for your new "beliefe" though
>>42776134Do you think that engaged at all with what that anon said? Do you just think dodging questions and just using gay ass greentext make you look like anything but a dishonest idiot?
>>42776165>do you think pointing out the flaws in our pathetic arguments make us look retarded?yes, very much so
>>42776164Bro there is a difference of 2000 years. It's not like there were universities back then.The huge difference is, that their experiments and calculations MAKES SENSE.YOU can redo what they did.How hard is that to understand?When you watch some dogshit yt channels all of their experiments are deeply flawed, totally lack of a mathematical modell, cannot be tested in an experiment or even worse, if they do the experiment and it turns out the earth is round, they just neglect ist.WHY the fuck are you so obsessed with the government.WHY don't you do exactly what I told you: Make your own EXPERTIMENT . It is extremely easy.And, when it come to a physics degree: We stand on 2000 years of knowledge that passed generations, where retried over and over, the situation today is entirely different from 2000 years ago. It is easier than ever to learn that, but one last time, you can do the experiment for yourself.Ok I'm tired and I think you're trolling me.This is just too much braindamage you're showing here.
>>42776189ur the one who said no physics degree = retard not meso why'd u call ur own guy a retard?and why'd u call this glowie from the government in for backup if u don't know what i'm talkin about
Earth is flat?Earth is a term for a globe you doughnut.
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>>42776181Okay so you're also delusional. Good to know. This is flat earth.
>>42776189NTA, but seriously, all those walls of texts and you can't even give my man some examples to prove to himself? What kind of nigger are you?
>>42776060>Science doesn't blindly makes people believe nonsenseYes it abso-fucking-lotely does, there are still so many people that believe the aether was debunked for example, or that how about the absurdity of wavicles/wave-particle """""dualities""""". Finally, explain Neil the grass Tyrone and pro-palestine Dave saying science proves there are way more than 2 genders in humans.You probably can't even define science XIR
>>42775126God bless you brother in Christ
>>42776123Blah blah this is what soientists actually believe with their demoni calculusIsaac Newton DID HIS EXPERIMENT ON LIGHT IN 1666.WITH PRISMS.WAKE UP REPENT AND REJECT THE CALCULUS
>>42777433Gender is a concept used to describe a person's social, cultural, and personal identity related to being a man, a woman, both, neither, or another gender. It is distinct from **sex**, which typically refers to biological characteristics such as chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy.A few key ideas:* **Sex**: Often assigned at birth based on physical anatomy (commonly male or female). Biological sex itself is more complex than a strict binary because of natural variations, such as intersex traits.* **Gender identity**: A person's internal sense of their own gender. For example, someone may identify as a woman, a man, nonbinary, or another gender.* **Gender expression**: How someone presents their gender through clothing, hairstyle, behavior, voice, or other outward characteristics. This may or may not align with cultural expectations.* **Gender roles**: The expectations or norms that societies associate with different genders. These vary across cultures and over time.Some common gender identities include:* **Man*** **Woman*** **Nonbinary**: A broad term for people whose gender identity is not exclusively male or female.* **Agender**: Identifying as having no gender.* **Genderfluid**: A gender identity that changes over time.Different cultures have recognized more than two genders throughout history, and people's understanding of gender can differ based on cultural, religious, scientific, or philosophical perspectives.In short:* **Sex** refers primarily to biological characteristics.* **Gender** refers to identity, social roles, and cultural meanings associated with being a man, woman, or another gender.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA
>>42777599not scientificand gender has literally been another word for sex for hundreds of years until a sadistic dude who wanted to experiment on children started using it as propaganda and saying it was different, and yes it is propaganda.never forget how in 2015 the wef decided everyone and all business and institutions should start pushing lgbt. that's why the rainbow horde started trending and exploding everywhere, 90% or more lgbtq people are literally just wef puppets and sleeper agents but ironically they've also been taught to believe that they're "against the establishment" and "counter-culture" or whatever when that is the exact opposite of what's happened. it's pretty sad desu
Man these threads turn into a drunken brawl quickly. How is x not a safe space for flatties?
>>42775126What would the people in power gain by lying about the shape of the earth of all things? They have more important things to lie to us about.
>>42777683[Anon cracked the case: before 2015, gay people existed only as woodland cryptids. Then Klaus Schwab pressed the rainbow button under Davos and deployed Homosexuality 2.0 to every Starbucks, university, bank, studio, and Target.Airtight.The WEF controls millions of queer sleeper agents, yet they identify themselves with flags, pronouns, dating profiles, parades, bumper stickers, and hair visible from orbit. Truly the stealthiest operation since James Bond entered espionage wearing a neon sign reading BRITISH SPY.And “gender was always just another word for sex” is what happens when someone reads one dictionary definition, closes the tab, and declares victory over linguistics, medicine, sociology, and every culture more complicated than a bathroom door. Words never develop specialized meanings, apparently. That’s why a computer is still exclusively a woman hired to do arithmetic and a mouse is legally required to eat cheese.Then comes the masterpiece: “90% of LGBTQ people are WEF puppets.” Incredible statistic, peer-reviewed by the International Academy of Numbers I Pulled From My Ass. Did you collect the sample at Pride, or interrogate your anime figurines until one confessed to BlackRock?Imagine the onboarding:“Congratulations, sleeper agent. Your mission is to disappoint your parents, risk harassment, fight insurance companies, and explain bisexuality to someone educated by screenshots.”“Do I get paid?”“No, but a corporation will change its profile picture for thirty days.”Diabolical.Corporations exploit social movements for branding. That does not mean they invented the people involved, any more than Coca-Cola invented Christmas. You saw rainbow capitalism and concluded the rainbows were manufactured instead of the capitalism.This conspiracy theory is intellectual cargo shorts: dozens of unnecessary pockets, every one empty.
>>42777690I'm seriously starting to question why there is so much backlash for flat earth
>>42777834>“Congratulations, sleeper agent. Your mission is to disappoint your parents, risk harassment, fight insurance companies, and explain bisexuality to someone educated by screenshots.”>>“Do I get paid?”>>“No, but a corporation will change its profile picture for thirty days.”This but unironically
>>42777834>Corporations exploit social movements for branding. That does not mean they invented the people involved, any more than Coca-Cola invented Christmas.>You saw rainbow capitalism and concluded the rainbows were manufactured instead of the capitalism.Pretty good bait saar but saying something is trending or exploding isn't saying that it didn't exist before, and I think 90% is probably meaning that most of the LGBTQ people probably wouldn't be that if it weren't for all the marketing and advertising for the WEF agenda.This reads like slop that you got fresh out of ChatGPT to try to pretentiously dismiss it.
>>42776119Sun and Moon (and stars also) are shining through the firmament which is like a glass lens. The reason supermoons happen is because it's position relative to us sometimes grows farther away for a short time, creating a larger distortion, like if you move something away from a magnifying glass. This is why the sun is hotter during different seasons too.
>>42778563So this pic means we are outside and above a curved cylinder of glass and not a dome.The glass would be below the horizon, and the sun would be on the opposite side of the cylinder.
>>42778563It may seem like the difference in temperature of different seasons is due to differences in the distance of the sun from the earth, but actually, its because of the tilt of the earth! in fact, the sun is further from earth during summer in the northern hemisphere! This is possible because the difference in distance, due to the elliptical orbit of earth, is so small between winter and summer compared to the total distance, that it has a minuscule effect compared to tilt. there is more surface area exposed to sunlight when the north or south hemispheres respectively are tilted towards the sun. think about it this way; have you ever stuck your hand out of a car window when going fast on the highway, and noticed that the wind pushes it more with your palm flat facing the wind versus your hand turned sideways? there is more hand exposed to the wind for it to push. likewise there is more earth exposed to the sun's heating rays. otherwise there would only be one season for the entire planet, rather than the alternating seasons observable in which its cold in the south white hot in the north and vice versa.
>>42778055Because it is believed by some of the stupidest people on the planet, so when someone swears that they're not one of the stupid ones and their flat earth belief is nuanced, no one believes them
>>42778795plenty of smart things are believed by stupid people, tho
It's pretty obvious the earth is flat if you studied ancient cosmologies. Also this whole fantasy about space and planets being out there is hilarious. There's nothing cosmic about any of the gods of any religion. Why would a god of a giant planet like saturn dictate shit like agriculture on earth for example?! Yall fell for the scam. We're in a shitty closed system. There's no doubt an actual space out there somewhere, but it's beyond the immediate reach of our sky.
>>42775126explain why stars rotate counter clock wise in the northen hemisphere and clockwise in the southern on a "flat plane"
>>42779357It's obvious that Earth is a sphere if you actually look at the stars instead of reading ancient anime stories.
>>42780330The ancient greeks thought the same of being round and they studied astrology
>>42778795it's actually because despite your very smug and surefire position you can't articulate why you're right, meanwhile your adversaries who you claim are the most retarded and braindead on the planet crush you very badly every timethe result is a total meltie
>>42780413niggers tongue my anus, earth is flat, globes are round, so is your mom, the illuminati are covering up nephilim beneath the antarctic ice plate, earth's core is molten ice btw und die Sonne ist KALT!
Enjoy being the only theory to not come true so far.
>>42780413You cannot explain why the angle between the horizon and Polaris changes with latitude. In fact latitude is defined by this angle. At 40 degrees latitude Polaris is 40 degrees above the horizon. At 30 degrees, it's 30 degres. At 0 degrees polaris is at the horizon. In the southern hemisphere polaris isn't visible, and constellations are visible that can't be seen in the north.You cannot explain how with a small telescope you can see that Jupiter is a rotating sphere. Same with other planets such as Venus which has phases.You can't explain anything to a casual amateur astronomer who has experienced these things. Because you don't look up.
>>42780472>Same with other planets such as Venus which has phases.Venus is really cool to observe when it's just a crescent. I did this during the day when Venus was really close to the Sun. I had to block the Sun with a sheet of plywood so I didn't blind myself.
>>42778795But.. just, leave them alone in there Mongolian basket weaving corner of the Internet? I don't visit BET.com to let the people there know what I think about them.
>>42780612your loss.>>42780571thx for sharing
>>42776003Did you know if you have at least three fingers, the earth is a cylinder? Verify it for yourself
>>42776060This better not be Dew.
>>42775126Not quite.
>>42775126Flat earth is a well poisoning op to make the actual truth a joke and the truth is that we live on an infinite plane with other worlds beyond the ice wall surrounding us. The “galactic federation” happens in Antarctica. I bet they even hahe entire communities in Antarctica
>>42777834>>42777599>>42776189This is why AI was a mistake and is ultimately evil. In the future, there will mostly be retards who won’t even have the intellectual stamina to keep up with a narrative that a faggot AI will push and eventually there will be no pushback at all
>>42776154Based
I was on the fence about this, until I met Mars's curly orbits. There's no reason for the curls in a flat earth narrative, they make no sense.But if you build a model where the sun is in the center and earth and mars rotate around it, IT FITS.There's another model where earth is the center, the sun rotates around it, and the other planets go around the sun, but that also requires a spherical earth.
>>42776003> think about how many trillons of dollars had to be spend over centuries across nations (even enemies like sovjets and the US), just to keep up this globe "conspiracy". For absolutely no reason at all.Stopped reading here, midwit
>>42780295Ever see a curved lens bend the image around backwards on the outer edge? It's like that.
>>42782152They’re called epicycles. There was some confrontation between the church and astronomers to make the heavens work perfectly (which to them meant perfect circles for orbits for whatever inane reason). Kepler and Brahe were on different sides of these paradigmatic arguments with Kepler promoting the idea of elliptical orbits while Brahe developed ever more complex circular patterns. Kepler’s paradigm is the origin of our modern paradigm for celestial bodies. That doesn’t mean that Brahe’s paradigm was wrong. If one doesn’t hold to the assumption of parsimony, an infinite number of explanations could and can be used to explain the same observations. But Occam’s Razor is often the paradigm of the times despite there being no valid reason to choose parsimony over complexity.
>>42782625I'm not talking about the cycles, I'm talking about the curl, now zoomed in and with red rectangles for your viewing pleasure.This isn't about choosing a simple theory over a complex one, it's that the curls FIT exactly what we would see if mars was drawing ellipses around the sun.It's as if your girlfriend seems to have a big bust, she shows you her bra and they still look big, she takes it off and they look big. You touch them and they feel as big as they look.You don't come up with an explanation about how can all this happen if your girlfriend has a flat chest, and call "she has big boobs" the "occam's razor" paradigm.The curls kill the flat earth model because they couldn't FIT the curls we'd see if mars was rotating around the sun. Unless it is.
>>42782676In the epicycle models, the curl in such earth centered depictions (i.e., a matter of frame of reference) is the product of the movement of epicycles (small circles) as a body travels along the larger circular orbit (called the deferent). The curl itself is known as a retrograde movements or arcs. Brahe was literally creating models to describe and explain these movements in his paradigm. Said models were simply more complex than elliptical orbits and heliocentrism. Brahe’s models were geocentric whereas Kepler’s were heliocentric. This has nothing to do with the flatness or lack thereof of the Earth and everything to do with the center of the solar system model used. The reference point. I’m not saying the Earth is flat, mind you. Just that your reasoning only makes sense if one presupposes parsimony.
>>42782721>only makes sense if one presupposes parsimonythat's a funny way of saying that occam's razor is not on your side
>>42776189>WHY the fuck are you so obsessed with the government.They are literally government dogs, flat earth was started by CIA in the first place to discredit any "conspiracies" towards the elites and overall anything they push. Also flat earth is kabbalah jewish and since the 70s jews world wide are ruining science for it to fit the kabbalah model, entirety of "theoretical physics" as well most shit attached to the word "quantum" is that. Nothing but kabbalah mysticism that if actually applied is collapsing everything.
>>42782730I said as much in my first post. But what is the logical argument for presupposing the universe is less as opposed to more complex? There isn’t really one. What we are left with are observations. Observations from Earth show what appear to be epicycles. Our reference point is for the average person and for most of history Earth. The fact that observations appear to show epicycles from our center (Earth as a reference point) is why elliptical orbits were initially proposed in a more parsimonious heliocentric paradigm. Given enough time and resources we could hire any number of Tycho Brahes to create not only perfectly circular geocentric epicycles but perfectly square ones if we really wished to. It’s a matter of how we wish to explain our observations, even those from devices now beyond Earth, which is ultimately a matter of presuppositions.
Aw. I think its sweet. Flat-Eathers are lonely, socially-awkward folk who don't have many friends. Being part of this delusional group gives them a sense of belonging that they are unable to achieve in the real world. Just give them a virtual pat on the head and get on with your day. Don't allow the insanity to let you forget that they just want to be loved.
>>42782721You no longer know what is being discussed: The ones you mention are explaining the curls in a model where earth is at the center, which is irrelevant here, because in the flat earth model the earth isn't in the center, the earth is huge and the sun and other planets are small and float above us inside the fish bowl.Your complex explanations of the curls are irrelevant because they weren't discussing a flat earth model.Once we go back to discussing a flat earth model, and not one you keep bringing up with a centered earth, the curls don't FIT it at all.
>>42780612It's not "there" corner of the internet.It's mine, and I will laugh at them and call them retarded.You can show us how retarded you are by trying to defend it, you can sit there quietly, or you can leave.
>>42775126your mom is flat and that is why you were malnourished as a child and are permanently retarded now.
>>42782625>there being no valid reason to choose parsimony over complexity.This is a misunderstanding. It isnt parismony over complexity, it is aversion to creating unobserved factors.Sure, you can always fantasize and conceive of a more complex explanation, if you can introduce some new factor and variable influencing but not yet observed.You can see dog shit on the carpet, and your dog looking guilty, and presume that ACTUALLY some stranger broke into your house and carefully set it up to make it only look like your dog shit on the carpet and then carefully removed all evidence of them being there.But now you have all sorts of things you would have to prove exist for your idea to work, while "the dog shat on the carpet" only needs the observations directly presented.THAT is what Occam's Razor is.It isnt "the simplest answer is right."It is "try to answer things with the observations given, and only if they fail to answer is it worthwhile to consider more, unknown factors."
>>42782721>Brahe was literally creating models to describe and explainAnd the model failed because it described just fine, but it FAILED to explain.Brahe had no cause for the loops, just knew that they were observed, while the heliocentric model could not only describe the observation, but explain it.
>>42775126Earth (like all planets) is actually hollow, flat-earth is a jewish psyop.
>>42782958Kike.
Why would we lie about it when we train scientists to do loads of crazy shit assuming the earth is round? Yo, make planes more efficient for flying around the world, but do it using the earth is round calculations so the public don't find out the earth is flat.
>>42782953Not quite. Brahe’s models had just as many explanatory mechanisms as Kepler’s. This is because both were working in a pre-gravitational paradigm and thus their descriptions of how things operated were largely using similar proposed mechanisms (some of which are fascinating, others less so) until Newton proposed gravitational theories. Parsimony with Newton’s theories is what shifted the paradigm toward supporting Kepler’s elliptical orbits over Brahe’s epicycles. Suffice to say Kepler’s models could not explain anything about why celestial bodies moved as they did. We can use post-hoc arguments based on gravitational theory to say his models fit and are the simplest fit, but that also isn’t the same as creating a or having an inherent predictive or explanatory capability in his models. It’s in fact somewhat circular in reasoning. >theory a (elliptical orbits) is true because it fits with theory b (gravity) with the least added complexityBut there is no logical reason to suggest that theory b is even accurate to necessitate the parsimony in the first place. It is merely the simplest model with the most predictive, not explanatory, power. Theory b is a proposed model that explains how a phenomenon acts, not how it functions, and the same was true for theory a. This is always how paradigms work and history is filled with examples of paradigms being replaced by new ones with additional observations that require additional theories and so on.
>>42783023>Brahe’s models had just as many explanatory mechanisms as Kepler’s.If that was true you would have given one instead of sperging out about Newton.Go on.What causes the loops?
>>42776134You give more fed than jesuit vibes but great bants nonetheless. I really appreciate the work you guys put into these narratives. Honestly people deserve to get psyopped and then slaughtered. Nta
>>42777599x and y chromosomestry refute than Einstein
>>42777834this is chatgpt response anonkindly kys
>>42783026I explained why Kepler’s model was chosen over Brahe’s/traditionalist models. Both men were in the tradition of explaining how celestial bodies moved through the sky, not why they moved. Both men could model out movements using either epicycles or elliptical orbits to predict future placements of celestial bodies with good accuracy. Bathe Tychonic system presupposed that the heavens were a perfect system and should reflect perfect movement. I.e., God moves them in circles. It’s not an interesting mechanism, but many mechanisms were spiritual in nature. You can research early celestial mechanics if you want specifics. Interestingly enough, modern science has not outgrown the belief in perfect forces. That’s why we have physical laws of nature now, immutable and perfect constants and laws. Incidentally, the presupposition of these constants is what allows us to argue that science has predictive capabilities. It’s part of the core epistemological presuppositions of science.
>>42783059>explaining how celestial bodies moved through the sky, not why they movedWhy IS the explanation.You are very dishonestly confusing description with explanation.The geocentric model can describe, but has no explanation.The heliocentric model both describes AND explains the observation.It is why it is superior, not some arbitrary "it's simpler" aesthetic.>God moves themYep. That is the failure of the tychonic system.It's explanation is "A wizard did it, aint gotta explain shit."
>>42783059You're still comparing two models where "space is real" while in the flat earth model "space is fake". You can't even talk about a flat earth model with epicycles because none have been invented yet, all your models rely on a spherical earth.
>>42783076Why are you arguing with that guy? Both the geocentric model and the heliocentric model contradict the flat earth model, in the flat earth model all the galaxies and the rest of the universe is infinitesimally small and reside inside the earth's dome.
>>42783076You are conflating models. A heliocentric model posits that celestial bodies in our solar system orbit the sun. That’s it. There have been several heliocentric models proposed and many predate the theory of gravity proposed by Newton, including Kepler’s. Prior to the proposal of the theory of gravity, and universal gravity specifically, neither Brahe nor Kepler could offer the explanation that the sun’s gravity is responsible for our solar system’s bodies orbiting it. Kepler died before gravity was proposed and his model could not possibly use a theory that didn’t yet exist to explain why celestial bodies moved. It’s hard to say if he even cared to explain why they moved as the tradition was indeed “a wizard did it,” but his model did describe how celestial bodies could be moving. As did Brahe’s more geocentric model. You are conflating heliocentric theory with theories like universal gravitation that came after the fact and were included together because they were parsimonious. >we have theory a and theory b about how celestial bodies move>now we have theory c, a theory about why said bodies move>c and a fit with fewer necessary presuppositions than c and b so we propose c and a into a unified paradigm/model/theoryThat’s it.
It's the first time I feel rage in these threads. Not because something ridiculous is being claimed. Anon isn't even wrong.Anon isn't even discussing the topic at hand.It has forced me to create this graphic which will hopefully clear things up.IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU SWAP THE SUN AND EARTH IN THE MODEL OF THE BOTTOM, MARS'S LOOPS DON'T WORK ON THE MODEL AT THE TOP
>>42783100>neither Brahe nor Kepler could offer the explanationAnd for a time, they were equally valid.Until one became superior with an explanation.Geocentric models DONT.That is why they are inferior, and were abandoned.And they STILL dont, as you are showing by running away from offering the explanation.>his model did describe how celestial bodies could be movingNo, moron. His model recreated the observations. There is no "could" involved.>that came afterYes.More knowledge came after, and models incompatible with current observations were abandoned.Models that have no explanatory power - as you repeatedly show your model is - are meant to be abandoned for those that do have explanation.
>>42783123Earth is flat in both. Is discussion limited to only one model of the flat earth?
>>42783131>Is discussion limited to only one model of the flat earth?Only to internally consistent ones.Which means ALL flat earth models dont qualify.
>>42776942its a dyson spere. but that means its still round. that means where in hell.nah earth is flat with a dome.
>>42783131What is excluded from the discussion is whether earth is at the center or not, because that's not talking about its shape.The thread claims Earth is flat, you can come and tell us if you think it's spherical or cylindrical or any other shape you want.You can't come and talk about Brahe or Kepler and how they have models that assume a solar system and how earth, regardless of its shape, could be at the center instead of the sun, because THAT'S IRRELEVANT.No flat earther has ever claimed that it's a solar system with the flat earth at the center, the claim has to include the little sun inside, as that's the only thing that barely makes sense.
>>42775126Yes https://youtu.be/0514L2QwOBEhttps://youtu.be/GwkqLv-fOjg?t=2209https://youtu.be/m7ZpvLu_tFEhttps://youtu.be/lKg-yn86zp4https://youtu.be/p-BFmn2S_jUhttps://youtu.be/BVJgObFHLY4https://youtu.be/ru5fdfovkGIhttps://youtu.be/74KRZt5oJMEhttps://youtu.be/tdwy-hxS-tshttps://youtu.be/UAx5cl9VpTEhttps://youtu.be/JlFnJPFjcc0https://youtu.be/XetG30_YOeohttps://youtu.be/ziVLbEoQ4Schttps://youtu.be/7H_1ZbuA9HIhttps://youtu.be/UbYtkrTquXEhttps://youtu.be/1WHIr-IFqAohttps://youtu.be/WcqKUhU0WDchttps://youtu.be/wPrDg0CtWnkhttps://youtu.be/hoGTBdu7dMchttps://youtu.be/mcLwr86emdshttps://youtu.be/U_bJYXS9p4Ahttps://youtu.be/JOqc63Pp9OAhttps://youtu.be/X-w8acuxF6whttps://youtu.be/nGLJ5XJP3uEhttps://youtu.be/olbyJDou4qQhttps://youtu.be/0Q18iSz6mushttps://youtu.be/aFFM3YJAs4Qhttps://youtu.be/Stft_t48Hxchttps://youtu.be/QWa7lTxhrKIhttps://youtu.be/Zc_J2k4Cdp8https://youtu.be/DdLLamniSyghttps://youtu.be/udjk_FB80kMhttps://youtu.be/4nKIN_eHYxwhttps://youtu.be/fDBRhxryfZMhttps://youtu.be/-rmDj1MJyaYhttps://youtu.be/Kv9-JuLRpg0https://youtu.be/7Eeo-82Eac8https://youtu.be/0Vv62PFFsNUhttps://youtu.be/CDG4oiCx_ishttps://youtu.be/wz68Q2Nz05Ahttps://youtu.be/WffliCP2dU0https://youtu.be/uUuTAflN1rUhttps://youtu.be/lkmY_4PKMlYhttps://youtu.be/McdMMmclGVchttps://youtu.be/Cm7fBZq-8T4https://youtu.be/4SlRsbQ3nfMhttps://youtu.be/Z36Ns7KUYHwhttps://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfsshttps://youtu.be/CATklVkPEMwhttps://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxAhttps://youtu.be/WXaXnAvEpB8https://youtu.be/gWnFMWqDRQEhttps://youtu.be/EvnrD49RmAYhttps://youtu.be/3wU8_jT61eEhttps://youtu.be/lMhheDWThxEhttps://youtu.be/hG_sv5SWi3Y?t=507https://youtu.be/UOLLMkAHHQI?t=2477https://youtu.be/d_h5tupEdn8https://youtu.be/jDKfJROVHJEhttps://youtu.be/maBf0H3UNJIhttps://youtu.be/Jm7nBn7RxhUhttps://youtu.be/BEV2SAL8z5ghttps://youtu.be/Qse5Jc8jgSkhttps://youtu.be/zMAa5Ir7IHU
>>42775132lebanonese fucker.yes i know polish people fuck anything. its a running joke in desden/germany.
Check it out. I simulated the path of totality for the upcoming solar eclipse next week using GeoGebra.I used the geographic position (the place on Earth where the object is right above your head) for the Sun and Moon and their distances from the center of the Earth at the start of the eclipse and at the end of the eclipse. Then I used linear interpolation to get everything in between.
>>42777834Holy AI snark post
>>42778781AI
>>42783492I added the penumbral shadow cone and the terminator line.
>>42783492>>42784233
>>42784295ok
>>42783966No its not you nigger i spent a long time writing this because i find the concept intriguing ever since i learned about in middle school earth science class. Did you even know that the earth is actually closer to the sun during northern hemisphere winter before reading my effortpost? i even shared it in the flat earth thread because it does even preclude/require the earth being round or flat, which is interesting. does this even look like the syntax and grammar of a gpt compared this >>42777834 clearly tokened nonsense? you need to up your game.
>>42784295This is very cool take this you
>>42785236Thank you. I just made it so that you can see how much of the Sun that will be eclipsed depending on where you are. The position of the Sun and Moon are just off by a few arcseconds so I'm really happy with the accuracy.
>>42782757Lay off the AI, nigga
They do the same thing with the globe that they do with vaccines. Pretend they did some legitimate science, pour eight layers of bullshit on top then try to beat you're argument based on the bullshit.
>>42787158Vaccine doubt and denial makes WAY more sense as they directly affect your body and health, and your average person has no way to test for themselves.Neither of those is true with flat Earth.>t. been vaxxed
>>42782757sorry i did not read your first post my nigga. you are correct that there is no logical argument why occams razor is inherently correct. its just an arbitrary rule of thumb. i just thought its funny to go against occam's razor with the flowery language of "parsimony". but its much less funny when i realize that you're well aware of that. Alas!
>>42775126To all flat earthers who claim 'water cannot curve!': what is the shape of a water droplet?
>>42783148https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyRJZbNmC7U&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=1&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wu7LqF8fzk&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=2&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4bfFrPg21g&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=3&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XvOq20N9Xc&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=4&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlJHHRyzUPM&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=5&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3RXa0GLeHI&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=6&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFFL9RciJOU&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=9&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Os16IUGbo&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=10&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DppsN1oYyIY&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=11&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH5S8nEo2eM&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=12&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQoz5iWPrbs&list=PLmWeueTF8l82THrHwihtcmhQdjcBQBXjT&index=7&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeMooNFtFJk&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=2&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ0EKJWyl_g&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=5&pp=iAQB0gcJCdkKAYcqIYzvhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmXP4Q2ZpI&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=6&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6qp8jqcihc&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=8&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNvKpZmpSmY&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=4&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azmb2TIu1j8&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=7&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zFnNpujUaE&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=9&pp=iAQBhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVZsIPYrf1o&list=PLmWeueTF8l82GItQhl7vTP_WM43B4ebNq&index=10&pp=iAQB
>>42775799>80 feet over 11.5 miles>80 feet over 60720 feet>a ratio of 0.00132>flerfers think this would be visible, let alone as pronounced as that pic
>>42775985It's the exact opposite. You just believe what your favorite YouTumors tell you without so much as picking up a telescope. Meanwhile, there's a million different ways anyone with a few hundred bucks and a couple hours of free time can prove that the earth is round.
>>42782581Why is there a single southern celestial pole the stars all rotate around? That wouldn't happen if the south pole was a circle around the whole world.
>>42781724>the truth is that we live on an infinite plane with other worlds beyond the ice wall surrounding usThat's still just flat earth and equally retarded. We live on a sphere. It's as simple as that. There is no ice wall. There are no other worlds except other planets.
>>42782963>says the one who believes in talmud cosmology
>>42783492>>42784233>>42784295Pretty cool. Sad how flerfoids will NEVER have this.
>>42787392>there is no logical argument why occams razor is inherently correctEspecially since only retards think Occam's Razor has ANYTHING to do with what is correct.Occam's Razor is a way to prioritize testing a hypothesis, not a way to say which is right.
>>42785141My bad nigga
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/492356/the-ricci-flow-and-frac-partial-partial-tg-ij-2r-ij-nabla-i-nabla
>>42783492>>42783966>>42784233>>42784295>>42785332I've added the horizon and a textbox with info.
>I'm the captain and I'm going to start this documentary by making a few claims that I will back up with undeniable evidence. I've located lands that have been hidden from us. Multiple massive land masses that are beyond our known world, fully chartered, and I have the means to set sail in multiple vessels that I own once I've secured crews, including a second captain.Saorsahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxpj81P7O54 (original)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcKUcTv95wg (mirror)Saorsa Pt 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5tC9B1_qDY
yes it is
>>42780330>>42780472Still no response to this.Because Flat Earthers can't respond.
>>42790483NAH
>>42787837flerfs have dungeons and dragons lore about dragons past the ice wall which is significantly cooler
looking at this, i feel like i'm losing a lot of neurons right now fr
>>42775126Why can you see further out from atop a mountain than on a prairie then?
>>42775126Board a plane and look out the window at the cruising altitude, that's all there is to the topic.
>>42791591Too bad it's also about as real as D&D itself is. What we globeGODS have is actually real.
The Quran seems to say that it's round and has stuff orbitting around it, it's the bible and the altered Jew book whom say it's flat, they're backwards10/10 Allahu akbar again for islamJust cause you grew up with christianity doesnt mean it's always correct
>>42790418That's not flat earth, that's hollow earth.Earth is spherical like an apple and you can get inside from the north pole and from the south pole.It looks like a torus (too lazy to embed the image where a torus looks like a hot chick's breasts, so imagine them)Hollow earth is boring to discuss since people would rather discuss what's the inside like.
>>42791676i don't lament D&D being fake. its still cooler than math simulations that model reality
>>42791678but a flat disk is round and can have stuff orbiting around it
>>42792010>but a flat disk is roundNot in the way we can observe the earth being. The horizon wouldn't curve down on a flat disc like it does.>and can have stuff orbiting around itThat implies the existence of gravity, which would compress a disc the size of the earth into a ball.
>>42792022true but its round, still. orbits can be upheld by magic. no gravity is necessary. you can magnetically lock objects in orbits, too, without gravity. what gives?
>>42775126You have posted the wrong image, there is so so much more
>>42792031>true but its round, stillBut in a way that's incompatible with observed reality. We can see that the earth is a sphere.>orbits can be upheld by magicYou'll need an actual scientific explanation if you want to be taken seriously.>you can magnetically lock objects in orbits, tooIf that was the case, we would be able to detect the magnetic field responsible for that.
>>42792061i wasnt talking about observed reality, i was talking about what the quran SAYS; as brought up here >>42791678you dont have to take me seriously. all im saying is that islam, judaism and christianity all agree. if you dont take that seriously because they cant explain their stance, thats on you.yes but my main point is that allah can use magic. and even if gravity existed, he could use magic to keep the earth disk-shaped.Kafir.what gives?
>>42775985I'm going to make this simple for you, anon.What is the center of mass on a disk? If you think about it for a few seconds, you'll find that it is, in fact, the center of said disk.Think about where you are in the world. You're likely not perfectly standing on the center of it, right?This is a two body thing we're looking at here.YOU (small mass)and the Earth. (huge mass)You are being pulled towards the CENTER OF MASS of Earth. That center of mass is located at the center of the disk Earth.Now, that means you must be getting pulled towards the center of the world, right? But if you go ahead and jump in the air, you'll notice that you land right on your feet, being pulled directly down. You'll notice as you stand that it takes effort to do so, because you are resisting the force of gravity pulling you down. It's pulling down because the center of mass is actually below you. This is why Earth cannot be a disk.
>>42792090assuming the mass is inhomogeneously distributed, the center of mass could be anywhere (for example at the edge). the south has more water than the north. the southern water is less dense than the land in the north. so it stands to reason that the center of mass would be north. of course it depends how deep down it goes and what material is in the underground and how its distributed. so the center of mass on a disk could in fact be anywhere on said disk.if you have a near infinitely deep underground, the center of mass could be effectively below you while maintaining flatness at the top.however the existence of gravity is denied in the flat earth paradigm so it doesnt matter where the CoM is
WHO CARES IF THE EARTH IS FLAT OR ROUND, THE ALIENS ALREADY WON
>>42791591Hollowchads have lore of giants, Nazis, and dinosaurs living in the interior which is cooler still.
>>42775126Not true, although I would understand not trusting any upper authority that has lied previously.
>>42775126>>42775799flat earth niggas dont understand how big the earth is
>>42792108>assuming the mass is inhomogeneously distributed, the center of mass could be anywhere (for example at the edge).But then every place not at the edge would feel a pull toward that spot on Earth, and that isnt the case.The direction is ALWAYS down, even when there is a large mass nearby that deflects by less than a degree.There's really only one way to set it up so the direction toward center of mass is practically straight down for every spot on the surface.
>>42775126The earth is round, cave ridden, quasi-hollow with a central nucleus absorbing, processing and expelling sun energy through the north and south pole where the presence and activity of the van allen belts is at its weakest.The galaxy is "flat" for the same reason pizza dough spreads and flattens out when spun around. The firmament are the magnetosphere and planet uranus, meaning 'sky' in greek.The outer perimeter, entrance into and exit out of the solar system is "guarded" by neptune (poseidon - ruler of the "sea" aka space).Pluto is a dead midget and the official exit or entrance into the metaphorical underworld that metaphorically lies on its other side once crossed through or by - space and the rest of the milky way. The "third dimension" is a projected extension of subtler mechanics underpinning or "encoded" in the second or "flat" dimension.That was under the lens of astronomy, astrotheology and mainstream physics. Then there's UFO lore about how it's all managed or "simulated" by a predatory caste of non-humans.
>>42792261yes but a disk in and of itself doesn't necessitate the CoM being at the center.to set up the downward direction put the CoM near infinitely far downward as i said or use a ba'al earth. so that's 2 options actually
>>42792406>near infinitely far downwardSo now you have a black hole.You know how retarded this is.
>>42792406Also, this wouldnt make every spot ON THE SURFACE point down, because you are ignoring the sides and bottom of your infinitely large column Earth.
>>42792420its not a black hole but a de-facto hollow and very tall cylinder. but a black hole would not necessarily be retarded depending how you place it in relation to the earth since you can have a stable orbit around one without major problems as far as i know.>>42792423true but those surfaces are canonically uninhabited and therefore irrelevant.
>>42792445actually this makes me think it would essentially be a tidally locked disk earth orbiting around some other larger mass, since the matter probably wouldn't hold together at such large distances. interesting. in that sense you could see the real-world sun and earth as one object that is held together not by baryonic matter but by the gravitational force itself. hm. but maybe its more of a philosophical question of what constitutes "one object"
Earths true shape
>>42792445>its not a black holeAn infinitely long column would collapse into a black hole.>depending how you place it in relation to the earthMoron, the Earth would collapse into a black hole.And please explain how your infinitely long column Earth would orbit anything.>trueGlad you can accept that the ONLY way to have it be down for every point on the surface would be a sphere.
>>42793244an infinitely long column wouldn't exist in physical reality, i said "near infinite", meaning finite. it wouldnt collapse into a black hole because that would require more mass confined to a smaller space. i doubt it would collapse into a black hole if you suppose a physically impossible object but maybe. however for every point to be down on the inhabited surface you could also have a near inifnitely long cylinder, so it doesnt necessarily have to be a sphere.>>42793071its funny because there are two earths and flat earthers think the one at the bottom pulls you towards it which is why they dont understand how australia works and what "antipodal" means
>>42793967>wouldn't exist in physical realityCorrect. Nothing you said can exist in reality.>it doesnt necessarily have to be a sphereIt does if you want to be in reality.You infinite column - because yes, it would require INFINITE for your reaction, would not maintain, and even then it doesnt fit what was said because you have repeatedly admitted it could only approximate one one surface, and EVENTHAT is wrong as the edges would still feel significantly more lateral pull than the middle.
>>42794049a hollow cylinder can and does exist in physical reality. it's near infinite which means finite. if you want an infinite column you can have that so thats nice. but im more interested in a finite one. its true that it could only approximate one surface but that's the idea since we are not standing upside down at the bottom of the underworld.btw in line with my earlier idea about a disk tidally locked to a central mass, i noticed instead of a cylinder you could also have a cone as a slice of a sphere with the CoM at the bottom tip of it. you could then have a slightly curved surface and the more you increase the height of the cone, the better the approximation and more negligible the curvature. it would also remove one of the surfaces of the cylinder, so maybe that interests you in particular. i suppose this constitutes a larger set of options with an either flat or slightly curved surface, a deep CoM and an arbitrary very low density shape for everything else. the disk orbiting a mass would still be the ideal stipulation and would constitute the surface of a conical slice of a sphere where the height of the cone is the radius of the sphere and the CoM is the center of the sphere.the edges wouldnt feel significantly more lateral pull because it becomes negligible as you move the CoM further down. you could only detect it with a precise measuring apparatus
>>42792047Those are made up fantasies, at least this one matches the map of the mirrored moon.
>>42775126You spread flat Earth bullshit to distract us from Agartha.
>>42794374>a hollow cylinder can and does exist in physical reality. it's near infinite which means finite.This would not produce to effect you were suggesting, even if the effect you are suggesting wasnt impossible - which it is.>the edges wouldnt feel significantly more lateral pull because it becomes negligible as you move the CoM further downThe amount of mass this requires would collapsed into a black hole.Do the math and prove your situation viable, or stop pretending to be this retarded.Show us exactly how you think you would achieve the right numbers.
What is the easiest way someone can prove that the earth is spherical using only on hand things, where no one can claim the information isnt being corrupted?
>>42796149
>>42796172>what is perspective, atmospheric refraction, and the limits of human visionNobody with eyes gives a shit about your gay Kabbalah bullshit
>>42795713Agartha is at the north pole on this flat earth dumbass
>>42796187>perspective, atmospheric refraction, and the limits of human visionNone of those would affect that observation, which you would know if you ever went outside and did any of them.But go do it and show us how they can make it fail.That is the point of that example - it is easy and can be done by anyone.So do it.
>>42796193>what is human error, meniscus distortion, surface tension, thermal expansion, wind interference, atmospheric refraction, and refraction changesShills take it up their ass lol.
>>42796210>But go do it and show us how they can make it fail.>That is the point of that example - it is easy and can be done by anyone.>So do it.>NO I WANT TO POST MORE PICS I NEVER MADE OF OBSERVATIONS I WILL NEVER DO AND SPOUT WORDS I DONT UNDERSTAND
>>42796227Retarded shill, globalists tools fail to show a physical curve, they always have. Your pic is unrelated. You've given zero data, you're repeating what you've read, the burden of proof rests on you to show a single shred of evidence hinting towards a wet ball hurdling and spinning through nothingness at millions of mph.
>>42796172Does water find it's level, or no?
>>42796246>no, I wont ever leave my room and look at these things myself no matter how easily that can be done by anyone
>>42796259No. Water is NEVER flat, but it can look so and be used as approximately so.
>>42796260Thanks for the most reddit images imaginable dude wow incredible proof..., meanwhile God is real which debunks anything you could ever say...>WELL HOW DO YOU KNOW THATBecause i'm not hellbound
>>42796262>No.So you're anti reality kek
>>42796264>waa simple images I cant say shit aboutAgreed.>God is realAgreed.>>42796265Water is ALWAYS curved.Always.
I hate flatters
>>42796190THATS WHAT THE DEMIURGE WANTS YOU TO THINK.
Sure is attacked a lot for a "silly theory"...
>>42796190If you travel to the south pole and enter the south's entrance, you eventually reach Agartha.That wouldn't make sense on a flat earth.
>>42796421This. Agartha is very real and flat Earth is a psyop to cover it up.
>>42776060Note: the first "proof" is ascribed to a heathen.
>>42796403Perhaps it should report us for sexual harassment.
>>42775126Einstein's relativity theory is circular reasoning.
>>42776060a shadow elevation angle is derived from divergent sunlight.calling it erastosthenes parallel rays is a reification fallacy. all the shadows have flat baselinesthe globetard religion thinks they can get away with this reification fallacy using stuff like wikipedia and chat AI. >errrmmm they just appear that way due to perspective but trust me its parallel lightreification fallacy
>>42796260>muh dip angle welcome to flat earth mate guess what your prerequisite to angle is
>>42796227regardless, if you point any laser at a black swan target meaning over 1.22 miles at surface youve already refuted and debunked the ball
Yall forget about earth size
>>42778055Ikr. It's the utter rage they show towards it. It's like you personnaly broke into their home, slapped their mom out cold, raped their sister, then killed their dog before leaving.There's no other topic that agitate the biobots like that.
>>42775799but i have a drawing that proves its round
>>42792119ask the flerfs that make these threads, spout lies, ignore everything that points out the lies, insult anyone that actually threatens their fantasy, then make a new thread and do it all againfor at least the 4 years i have been mocking themlike its their job or something (it is)
>>42796187nice made up shitty lying image.consider the following:The longest ground-to-ground line of sight photographed on Earth is 493.07 km (306.37 mi). Slovakian photographer Richard Jezik captured this record on December 15, 2024, from a subpeak near the Karagöl summit in Turkey, looking toward Mount Shkhara on the Georgia–Russia border.now tell me why you have to lie to 'prove' your flat earth concept.also, we know there is 40 thousand miles of terrain out there and you think being able to see less than 1000 miles proves a single goddamn thing?moron
>>42783123Controlled opposition on both sides, noticed how theres always increasingly weird unhinged and joke flat earth theories put forward? Both sides of the debate are controlled.What does the CIA Stargate document say?
>>42797540It closely resembles the ancient cosmology if you bring in holographic universe theory, we live inside an energetic torus. The flat plane is the densest part of the torus field.
>>42797550No it doesnt.Earth - Bharat Varsa - is only one tiny piece of the disc according to ancient cosmology.
>>42796210>Shillso hai, just 'shilling' for a concept that everyone can grasp apart from a tiny percentage of flatty morons.keep up the good work, do your little garage experiments that are flawed and prove nothing and especially keep insulting everyone so you can feel better.>thermal expansion stops us seeing the flat earth and puts a band of black empty space where the ground should be according to simple perspective.oh, thats why we cant just see the flat earth! it just needs a list of excuses that dont apply in other situations, like looking at the moon. oh no, we cant see the moon because thermal expansion, duh, silly me!
>>42796808>fallacyand what a fallacy you keep re-asserting.pow, its gone, destroyed by a mountain casting a shadow on to easily measurable higher cloud.can only happen if the sun goes below the line where earth and air meet.flat earth; dead.thats the end.case closed.you; out of a job
>>42797556>Earth - Bharat Varsa - is only one tiny piece of the disc according to ancient cosmology.interesting to think about...
>>42797540>>42797550>>42797583seems odd they put these references in kids shows
>>42797614
flat earther here,the trick to keeping my belief alive is never respond to a good counter point.I skim over a post, if i dont like the look of it then i stop reading and go back to my anime and monkey torture videos.
>>42797576sunlight can bounce off of a lake behind the mountain and back up into the cloudsthis doesnt prove the globe nor refute the flat earth
>literally DECADES discussing this themes>garbage opinions and images>can only imagine a magical tree with dome fruit lands>I wish it never existed, everI hate you all
>>42796187>Kabbalah bullshitthats what flat earth is tho... and talmudic
>>42790563FLAT EARTHERS CANT ANSWER THIS
>>42797540>What does the CIA Stargate document say?nothing because it is not talking about the shape of earth,Shalom btw
>>42797550That's the worst AI image ever generated. Why can people from Alaska reach Russia easily while in your pic they have the post distance apart.It's, by the record, the image that depicts the theory that is the most OPPOSITE to reality.
everyone knows it's flat by now, but most won't admit it because it was the "chuds" who told them about it. the few who still adamantly deny it are terrified that the chuds might know something. it's the same as liberal types being deathly afraid of admitting redneck bubba was right about the government for all these decades. the few who still adamantly deny it are terrified that the rednecks might know something
>>42799569dipshit, everyone has been saying about the government forever and the rednecks eventually caught up. problem is they also think black and brown people are why their life sucks. and then they keep voting to get buttfucked by the government they hate. youre just a retarded bigot who wants to get away with being a bigot with 0 repercussions. just kill ys
>>42797540>>42797550>>42797556more and more i believe polaris (north star) is a local entity and that it creates the vortex that changes the seasons; all depicted on the ancient swastikas>middle point is polaris>the big dipper circles around it>four depicted in its positions for the four seasonssomewhat unrelated, but take a listen to vivaldi's four seasons again
>>42797614It's missing the intro to super mario bros 3 with the checkered floor where the world is a stage.
>>42799583Polaris isnt even the center. It's just the closest bright star to the rotational pole.
>>42799534AI is shit at making azimuth projection maps
>>42796149>What is the easiest way someone can prove that the earth is spherical using only on hand thingsSimple.>go outside in the morning/evening>look at the horizon>is the sun rising/setting?>round earth proven>where no one can claim the information isnt being corrupted?In that case, I guess you can't because flerfoids will ALWAYS find some retarded way to discredit or ignore the argument.
>>42796264>meanwhile God is real which debunks anything you could ever say...So you're saying that god is only powerful enough to create a tiny disc under a dome and couldn't create an infinite universe with a round earth? Are you aware that's blasphemy and you'll be sent to burn in hell for eternity for saying that?
>>42798523If you think that's what's happening, you're free to locate a mountain without any lakes, snow, or other reflective material in the vicinity and show that it doesn't cast a shadow on clouds to prove that the earth is flat.
>>42799583>more and more i believe polaris (north star) is a local entity and that it creates the vortex that changes the seasons; all depicted on the ancient swastikasTelescopes prove that polaris is a vortex.
>>42800727Thanks for posting that. I always love getting a chance to post this webm. That's just an unfocused video of some swastika-shaped light source.
>>42800772>some swastika-shaped light source.Nah, it's the aperture that is swastika shaped.
>>42796110you cant keep an object the size and mass of earth in a disk shape under the influence of gravity because it would collapse into a sphere which is why your initial hypothetical (>>42792090) of being pulled laterally towards a disk-shaped earth's center was already impossible to begin with... hence why i told you in >>42792108 that the CoM is irrelevant because gravity is denied under the flat earth paradigm. my scenario is equally impossible for the same reason as stated. but assuming you somehow force it into a disk shape, just put a super massive black hole at a far distance such that the earth orbits around it. i already described my scenario and im not going to effortpost numbers for a shitpost idea that is dead on arrival unless you first provide numbers for your disk the mass and volume of earth's outer shell that laterally pulls me towards its CoM when i stand at the edge (impossible)
>>42801059>you cantAgreed. The entire notion is retarded and only ever brought up by annoying little bitches.So now that you have admitted it is all bullshit, you can stop at any point.
>>42800910I considered that too. I'm just not aware of any apertures with that shape.
>>42798436Flat earth confirmed
>>42801568>I'm just not aware of any apertures with that shape.Just 3D print a mask or make one out of cardboard.
>>42780472It's the exact same reason the top of a building or mountain or anything high up steepens in its angle as you approach it and flattens out as you go away. That is Mathematical proof that Polaris is not millions of miles away. If it were, the displacement of the angle would barely change as you move closer or further away. In fact, the higher it is, the less the angle will change as you move closer or further. This is basic geometry. Just do it on a piece of paper and see for yourself. Place a point 3 inches above a base like. Make a 90° triangle with the hypotenuse angle 4 inches from the point at the base. Measure the angle. Now make a point 6 inches above a base line. Make the the hypotenuse point 4 inches from the baseline. Now play around with it. Then tell me if Polaris can possibly be millions of miles away. Then explain to me how it never changes position even though we are supposedly at all times moving in 3 different axes. You globe homos are so fucking dense. It's crazy to me. Then explain to me how earths atmosphere stays fixed to our planet within the near perfect vacuum of "space". You guys are hopeless. Totally demoralized NPCs with zero intellectual agency.
>>42781724No, it's not. It's one of the lies tptb are most terrified will gain traction. And it will. Space is a preposterous lie. It's so facile and a surf it's downright comic.
>>42782152You guys really are total idiots.
>>42782755Lol. No it wasn't. Flat is earth is very real and very easy to demonstrate. The "flat earth is well poisoning" is the CIA op. They're very scared of this.
>>42802177>Now play around with it.I played around with it and at no point can you not draw a direct line of sight from any point on the line to polaris.So pic related's challenge should be trivially easy.And yet it is impossible.
>>42782768There is no group. It's just the difference between people who are actually able to think and those who outsource their thinking to (((trusted experts))).
I wonder if you Flat Earth niggers even realize that even videos of people sending their toys into space with weather balloons prove the Earth is round, fucking videos made by Youtubers doing dumb little experimentshttps://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Sending+toys+into+space&ra=mYou believe this shit is kikemade hoaxes or something?
>>42780330Your graphic demonstrates nothing but your idiocy. There is no explanation for why it doesn't move for any observer at any location while the earth is supposedly moving (at all times) in all 3 axes. The reason it cannot be seen beyond the equator is due to the distance. It's also the same reason Polaris increases in magnitude as you get closer to it. This is not difficult to understand.
>>42802177>Place a point 3 inches above a base like. Make a 90° triangle with the hypotenuse angle 4 inches from the point at the base. Measure the angle.>Now make a point 6 inches above a base line. Make the the hypotenuse point 4 inches from the baseline.Here's something you can try. Draw a couple of points representing stars on a piece of paper and tape it to the ceiling.Stand right under the paper and take note of apparent distances between the points.Next, walk a couple of feet across the room and observe the points again. How will it look? The apparent distances between the points will have shrunk and they would look skewed.Why doesn't that happen with the real stars?
>water doesn't curveoh really
>>42802263>There is no explanation for why it doesn't move for any observer at any location while the earth is supposedly moving (at all times) in all 3 axes.1st axis: Earth's rotational axisThis is what causes the stars apparent motion around the north and south celestial pole. Earth's radius is miniscule in comparison to the vast distances involved so it does fuck all to position of the stars.It's like spinning in an office chair in the middle of an open field while watching distant clouds or mountain peaks. They will seem motionless.2nd axis: Earth's orbit around the SunOur closest star (I know it's the Sun, fuck you) is Proxima Centauri at 4¼ light years away. Our motion around the Sun only causes it to shift in position by a mere 0.77 arcseconds. That's 0.000214 degrees and Polaris only shifts by 0.07 arcseconds which is even less! Good luck spotting that difference without a big telescope!3rd axis: The Sun's own motion through spaceOur whole solar system is moving through space and so do other stars as well. This causes the stars to change position relative to each other. Astronomers call this "proper motion".The attached gif is the proper motion of the double star 61 Cygni. It moves a little over 5 arcseconds per year and since this shift in position accumulates with time it's very easy, even for amateur astronomers, to measure this motion. Just take a picture, wait a couple of years and snap another picture.The star that has the highest proper motion is Barnard's Star. It moves around 10.4 arcseconds per year or about 1 degree every 350 years. As you can see it's a very slow process.
>>42802552Here's some more examples of proper motion.
>>42802557
>>42802557>>42802562https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPL3gS7do3wHere's a video of an amateur astronomer comparing his image with one of the glass plates from the Palomar Sky Survey 68 years prior. You can clearly see that the stars have moved.Description from the video:"This video (best viewed on a monitor or TV in 1440p full screen) shows the proper motion stars in the ARP299 area over a 68 years period.It's made out of a capture of ARP299 from 1953, taken by the 48" Schmidt telescope at the Mount Palomar Observatory, USA, and a capture of my own taken in 2021 with my Meade LX200 8" telescope here in Haarlem, the Netherlands."
Whats with clouds going behind the sun?Is this some sort of alien experiment and NASA is lying to us? Does that mean that are in cahoots with the aliens?Does this make us a meaningless bacteria dish experiment or something?and how does Saturn tie into all of this?remember in Stargate SG1 how advanced alien greys were larping as gods (Thor).I think our planet is just a fucking gay alien experiment dish.No all knowing god or creator, just some AI grey aliens doing some gay mega science experiment.
>>42799582They'd be right, pussy
>>42802203can you update this meme with a photo little dipper from australia?and photo of magellenic clouds (never heard of these by the way) from new york?And a geometric diagram as to why this proves flat earth. I feel like you might be onto something but there just isnt enough info yet to go off
>>42802243We should tie everyone in this thread who believes the Earth is flat to a weather balloon and send them up.
>>42801709True, but then it's basically the same as having a cover of that shape over a lamp meaning a light source with that shape.
>>42803199yea, if ancient greeks could figure this shit out they have no excuse
>>42802177>It's the exact same reason the top of a building or mountain or anything high up steepens in its angle as you approach it and flattens out as you go away.It's not.>Place a point 3 inches above a base like. Make a 90° triangle with the hypotenuse angle 4 inches from the point at the base. Measure the angle. >Now make a point 6 inches above a base line. Make the the hypotenuse point 4 inches from the baseline. If you do that, you'll notice the angle decreases less with the same distance the further you are. That's opposed to what's observed with Polaris where the angle decreases the same amount when you move x kilometers south regardless of if you started at the north pole or close to the equator. That's only possible on a sphere.>Then explain to me how it never changes positionIt does. It's just really far away and moving at mostly the same velocity as we are so the change takes hundreds of years. Think of driving in a car. The trees a couple hundred meters away move fast, but the mountains in the distance barely do. Now imagine if those mountains were also moving at 99% of your speed. They'd be visible for the whole trip.>Then explain to me how earths atmosphere stays fixed to our planet within the near perfect vacuum of "space".Simple. Gravity.
>>42803199>>42804393how does someone thinking the world is flat affect your daily life? Are they burning globes in a huge bonfire?(actually would help globe sales) Torching your house? What odd is the extreme anger and desire to kill
>>42804399what? being put in a balloon?you know they do that shit a lot, there was even a guy that jumped from atmosphere in one
it's you who took the tied up comment as>extreme violence bitch xD
>>42803124>can you update this meme with a photo little dipper from australia?If you could, you could prove a flat Earth.Go ahead and do it.
>>42804412they wontthe southern cross mogs these retards
I've allways wondered why the ice wall is always the south pole, why not the north pole?
>>42805555Because then the 24h Sun in the Arctic during the summer months wouldn't make sense.It's easier for them to deny the existence of the 24h Sun in Antarctica instead.
>>42805555Because they dont want you to know about triangle earth.
>>42805722>triangle earthI think you mean triangular prism earth.
>>42792191>muh earth is so big brothe new globenigger gotcha just dropped.
>>42806234>newNo, flerfers have been too retarded to understand this for a very long time.
>>42798523100% pure COPE
>>42801087you brought up the notion only once though and its not retarded, just impossible. youre also not annoying or a little bitch ,just seething a bit. anyway you admit >>42792090 was nonsense
>>42807025What I said is that the only practical solution to gravitational direction is a sphere.You sperged into impossibility, which is retarded when talking about what could be a model of reality.
>>42797540Woah is that a grainy obtuse hand drawing? I'm sold.
>>42800669Home experiments show the setting sun is a perspective illusion.
>>42775126your moms ass is flat
>>42807092k even though we both already agreed that both scenarios are impossible. you didnt really sperg out since you said that in the very first post though, hence why youre not really retarded. plus you admitted again that its impossible. you shouldnt be so hard on yourself my nigga
>>42807844Uh huh. Feel free to show me some of these experiments.
>>42808554>even though we both already agreed that both scenarios are impossible.No we didnt. I said the only way it works in reality, and you said "no, it could also be this impossible way!"And now you are agreeing yours was impossible, and I am still asserting mine is the only way it works in reality.Because that is true.
>>42775160Flat boobs are better than flat earth at least
we're having an eclipse tomorrow, how does that work on a flat earth?in fact how can you predict those on a flat earth? I can go online right now and check when all the next ones are going to be
>>42796834Oh shit, are you the retard who doesn't understand how celestial navigation works? On a flat earth there would be no dip angle because the horizon would rise to eye level no matter your height.
>>42800699Eh, I think the burden of proof falls closer to >>42797576 than on >>42798523. Not that it's hard to rebuke the lake idea:A quick search shows it is mount Rainier at sunrise, sunlight coming in from the east. Not really enough significant lakes or other bodies of water for light to bounce off of.Were it sunset, you could claim it's bouncing off the ocean, but no.
There is no evidence refuting the existence of ghosts or demons. But there is an abundance of evidence refuting flat earth, so why do you all still cling to it?
>>42808807>we're having an eclipse tomorrow, how does that work on a flat earth?
>>42808872Yeah feel free to explain how it actually works instead of just posting a schizo collage with random images that superficially look similar. Go ahead.
>>42808896The invisible planet Rahu which is actually an immortal demon head temporarily eats the sun.Duh.
>>42808898Are you aware that those orbits don't line up at all with what we see in the sky? Or that the earth in that picture is round?
>>42808909>what we seeDid you miss the INVISIBLE part of what I said?> the earth in that picture is round?Yes, it's trying to put the explanation in a way you can understand - even though it isnt completely accurate to reality.
>>42808915>Did you miss the INVISIBLE part of what I said? I was talking about the sun and moon. That's not how they move in the sky.>Yes, it's trying to put the explanation in a way you can understandSo it's not an actual explanation. Post your working model that can explain why eclipses (and anything else) happen, regardless of how complex it is. I can handle it.
>>42808989>I was talking about the sun and moon.No, you were talking about the eclipse, and the answer is an invisible planet.>So it's not an actual explanation.It is twisted into your model so you can understand - if you wanted to.> Post your working model That was the pic.>explain why eclipsesInvisible.Immortal.Demon.Head.Swallows.Sun.
>>42782963Shallom
>>42808872okay but how does that work though? Eclipses are absolutely trivial to explain for a globe earth
>>42796264>God is real I bet you also believe in the Easter Bunny
>>42796264>God is realImagine believing in God and then insulting his creation with make belief fairytales about how the earth is actually flat or some shit
>>42808872I feel like the black sun explains a lot of Flat Earth questions but normies will not accept it as an answer because they'll either treat it like a cop out, or they'll only accept the NASA flavored version, meaning in a way they can comprehend based on the model they've already been given. For example, gravity only makes sense to normies if it's "the core of the earth magnetically pulling us in." So if you explain that it's actually a black sun or some other toroidal field force, they won't like it. It has to be: "round earth logic, but flat" or they won't accept it.
ProfessorFagginsExplained did a big TLDR rebuttal debunk on this. To bad he's a faggot in love with gay men while talking in the comments section about dildos.
>>42790563We walk flat on the earth most of the time. Sydney to Santiago flights already prove its' flat. And New Zealand far closer to the supposed ice wall.
>>42797479>>anon tries to disengage someone's else's opinions as lies.
>>42809311>We walk flatLiterally never.It is explicitly considered a diseased condition of life if you are "flat footed."
>>42803199>>I'm anon the coward that thinks by winning a argument with someone is dragging people to die in space by leg by balloon. Kek. If Chris Chan is optional, you might as well ask him to go.
>>42776042No one really understands what the word government even means.
What does the word "Government" actually mean? Govern = To Control. Ment = Mind. Amazing folks, always there to help you! :D
>>42809352In case you needed any more proof that flat earthers operate on the level of 4 year olds
>>42808807>we're having an eclipse tomorrow, how does that work on a flat earth?I tried simulating it in GeoGebra and it doesn't work at all. The red curve is the true path of totality and the green is the one that the Flat Earth predicts. No matter how I change the Moon and Sun's height I can't get the green curve to match the red one.>>42784295Meanwhile it works perfectly on a globe.
>>42775126All I want to know is why there's still magma.
>>42793071>Earths true shape
>>42810050>Why don't meteor travel upward from below the horizonThe meteor will have been incinerated before it reaches the view of the observer. Retard.
>>42808996>No, you were talking about the eclipseYes. The sun and moon.>and the answer is an invisible planet.If you're going to make claims like that, you need some evidence and a reason why "invisible planet that we can't detect with any means" is a better explanation than "moon goes in front of sun".>It is twisted into your model so you can understand - if you wanted to. How about you show me your model so I can actually understand it instead of trying to merge two incompatible models into something that makes no sense? You... do have a model, right?>That was the pic. Which one? Neither is a working model. Or at least they don't sufficiently explain how the model supposedly works. You'd need to post a scientific paper detailing it instead of just a jpeg.>Invisible. >Immortal. >Demon. >Head. >Swallows. >Sun.What physics is the demon head using to appear invisible? Why can't we detect it via any other method than the visible spectrum? How do you even know it exists? Where did the demon come from? Is it sentient? Does it need to eat? Why does it only block the sun and not the background stars? How does the sun survive being swallowed? Why is it perfectly circular, the same angular size as the moon, and only appears when the sun intersects the moon in the sky? And finally, why is this a better/more likely explanation than "moon goes in front of sun"?You'll need to answer those questions to even start building a working model.
>>42809141>I feel like the black sun explains a lot of Flat Earth questionsCool. Go ahead and prove its existence and build a model around it then.
>>42809311>Sydney to Santiago flights already prove its' flat.No. They just prove that it's not a good idea to fly over an uninhabited icy wasteland because no one will be there to rescue you if you crash.
>>42810334Hopefully one that doesn't have a giant hole between America and Africa that is called the north pole.
>>42810293>The sun and moon.Moon's got nothing to do with it.INVISIBLEDEMONHEAD>we can't detectHave you looked? How would you tell?>is a better explanationBecause it's true.>How about you show me your modelI did in that post.>physicsIs wrong.
>>42810389>Moon's got nothing to do with it. The moon most definitely has a lot to do with it. Eclipses happen when the moon goes in front of the sun. We know this because we can track the movements of the moon and sun and every time there has been an eclipse, the moon has been in front of the sun, and every time the moon has been in front of the sun, there has been an eclipse.Now that I wrote that out, it occurs to me that there's an easy way for you to prove your invisible demon head theory right there. Find one example of either an eclipse happening while the moon wasn't in front of the sun, or the moon being in front of the sun without an eclipse happening. 1 (one) singular example of either will utterly destroy the theory that eclipses are caused by the moon going in front of the sun and allow an alternative theory, such as your invisible demon head one, to become accepted.>Have you looked? How would you tell? Not personally, but I'm fairly certain someone with an X-ray or IR telescope would have noticed a massive demon head floating around up there.>Because it's true.You'll need to prove that.>I did in that post.You showed an image that represents your model. A real model is significantly more complex. I'm sure you have it fully written up somewhere so go ahead and share it.>Is wrong.If you're that confident I'm certain you have a lot of facts and evidence to back yourself up. Go ahead and show them.
>>42810389>>How about you show me your model>I did in that post.Predict where the total eclipse will be visible using that model. Oh yeah, you can't because you have no model.
>>42810455>Eclipses happen when the moon goes in front of the sun.Wrong, and everything you sperg out about stems from this wrongness.INVISIBLEIMMORTALDEMONHEADSWALLOWSTHESUN
>>42810468How come we always see a crescent moon right before sunrise during the days prior of a solar eclipse and a crescent moon at sunset during the days following an eclipse?
>>42810496>moonIrrelevant.
>>42810468>>42810389Is it really worth the (you)s to pretend being THIS stupid? Even if it's anonymously online I'd be kinda embarrassed
>>42811196Yes, it was quite fun.Does it really make you superior to try and "win" against such an obviously stupid and trolling argument?
>>42811575yes
>>42811616Then you are a sad and pathetic person that really needs better validation.You were honestly trying to have a serious talk with posts that kept screaming immortal demon head.lol
oh yeah a flat earth threadmaybe i getting my answer what g in so many mathquestions is. Becouse if the earth is flat and gravity isnt a thing g=9.81m/s2 realy needs to be rebanded into... something.
>>42809706LOL. Like you even know what reality is, so you choose to stay locked into your stupidity and state of ignorance.
>>42810496World is big, the moon can fit inside the world. But, the moon is a reflection of the earth's countries and continents and the ice wall.
>>42811767Reflection off like a mirror from the firmament made of impregnable water.
>>42775126finally a truth thread>>42775799nooo at least let me do mental gymnastics about water vapor or something, you can't do this to me>>42776003>science saidPeace Be Unto It, amirite my fellow redditor?>>42776119hahaha those are just lights on the sky-ceiling nigga grow up
I have never had a flat earther explain this to me in a way that made sense
>>42812855It's a perspective illusion, there's home experiments you can look up.
>>42811675They'll just say it's density or something and ignore everything that shows why it obviously can't be density.
>>42812855Appears to be flat. I don't see how the sun looks any further away to the hilarious 93 million miles away part.
>>42812957>>42812884how is it dipping below the horizon line if it just moves over the flat earth in a circleif its just moving farther away shouldn't it shrink until it disappears
>>42812847>finally a truth threadYesh it's pretty fun to dunk on flerfoids with the truth.>nooo at least let me do mental gymnastics about water vapor or something, you can't do this to meWhat mental gymnastics? Do you actually think 8 feet of curvature over 11.5 miles would be visible?>Peace Be Unto It, amirite my fellow redditor?I wouldn't know about that but you seem to be intimately familiar with it. Maybe go back?>those are just lights on the sky-ceilingThen you could measure their locations from 2 different places and prove that they're attached to a ceiling.
>>42812960It should. Don't expect an answer to this. Flerfoids literally can't explain something as simple as sunsets.
>>42812960The earth heats up; the sun gives light. But that's the same concept as the sun giving heat if that's okay with you. Usually, it's the air heating. The whole debacle of globe earthers answers are always calling the flat earthers grifters without question that lies in their own ignorance withoutmuch proof to give them. I'm not saying that if there are some people that are grifting for money because of the belief. Not sure if Fittiest Flat Earther is or not, but he does come off as someone that's stricken with narcissism, may or may not be a gate keep. Same goes for ProfessorDaveExplains who claims he debunked everything on flat earth, so smug and maybe or maybe not a gatekeeper, while he claims to know just about everything he knows about the flat earthers, I just call him ProfessorCuckExplains lol.
>>42812972ESL and schizophrenicpick a struggle
>>42812982I guess you're trying to deflect the same argument I would say anyway. That's rich. Though there is no proof your ESL accusation and struggles you might find a flat ground you always walked on. You can struggle with your struggles on trying to put your problems on me because you except a person's belief to their fault. Waaah, you do you blame game lol. But please, pick a struggle. Thanks. I'm just trying to find answers like many other people, like someone who makes false accusations on anonymous people on a message board.
>>42813003I'm calling you ESL because your explanation is a nonsensical word salad."its the air heating" yeah mantotally. Air heating.this is also the air heating I guess.
>>42813074That is not what it is, that you don't understand what I'm trying to say of something you're not knowledgeable about.
>>42811575well no, I'm not that anon, I don't argue with people who are very obviously just making shit up to get a reaction
>>42813094>well no, I'm not that anonThen why answer a question very specifically meant for the idiot that wasted their time?You seem dumber than they are, and if it's true you dont waste your time, you wont respond to this post because clearly there is no point.But you will, because you DO like to deal with people just trying to get a reaction.It's what made you respond the something that doesnt concern you in the first place.
>300+ posts>No model >No sunset explanation >No eclipse explanation >No sky rotation explanation Every single flat earth threadOne thread after another and they still have NOTHING to bring to the table, no evidence, no arguments, just a faith system. Never listening/accepting globe responses. Theres little to no point having another thread until a flat earther actually has something to show.
>>42813133>Theres little to no point having another thread until a flat earther actually has something to show.No one who accepts reality ever makes another thread, though. Only flerfers ever make these things, and unsurprisingly they dont wait around for when they "have something to show."So you can either just not respond and hide the inevitable next thread that will have all the same images and all the same replies, or you can get comfy in the acceptance of being a bulwark against the flood of anti-intellectualism that rots so many free thinkers.
>>42813133No real life space from NASA.Checked.
