Does anyone have proof that it's possible to create a manchurian candidate and sex slave that doesn't remember because he compartmentalizes the mind to handle trauma and these alters can be programmed and turned on with triggers. We know dissasociation is real but can humans actually be successfuly programmed into zombies like this?
>>42799138Lee Harvey OswaldAndrew TateArnold SchwarzeneggerJohn LennonKanye WestChristopher PooleGeorge FarmerJustin Trudeau
http://whale.to/b/patton.htmlhttp://www.whale.to/b/greenbaum.htmlhttps://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38760909/https://archive.org/details/RAandMChttp://whale.to/b/sp/for1.htmlhttp://whale.to/b/sp/springmeier.htmlhttps://fightingmonarch.files.wordpress.com/2019/08/unshackled-by-kathleen-sullivan-.pdfhttps://cathyfox.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/fionaeyesewo_june2020_lockdownedition.pdfhttps://mormonmonarch.com/http://www.whale.to/b/obrien_b1.htmlhttp://whale.to/x/ThanksfortheMemoriesbyBriceTaylor.htmlhttps://archive.org/details/RAandMChttps://ia800901.us.archive.org/12/items/RadioInterviewWithCiscoWheelerIlluminatiMindControl_201903/Radio%20Interview%20with%20Cisco%20Wheeler%20Illuminati%20Mind%20Control.pdfmembers.tranquility.net/~rwinkel/CKLN/HTML2/transc17.htmhttps://ia902801.us.archive.org/16/items/never-give-up-svali/Never%20Give%20Up%20-%20Svali.pdfhttps://archive.org/details/svali-never-give-up-2/page/n1/mode/1uphttps://deprogramwiki.com/deprogramwiki-data/uploads/ChainlessSlaves.pdfhttps://cdn.deprogramwiki.com/deprogramwiki-data/uploads/They-Know-Not-What-They-Do.pdfhttps://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/welcome/child-page/https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PMGjpm7KiV_nuaX0Oa4Aqy63rhMIJ3Mw/viewhttps://ia904703.us.archive.org/13/items/OperationMindControlResearchersEdition/Operation%20Mind%20Control%20-%20Researcher%27s%20Edition.pdfhttps://prepareforchange.net/2018/09/21/child-trafficking-ritual-sex-abuse-mk-ultra-are-a-single-worldwide-operation-run-by-the-u-s-u-k-and-aus-secret-services/
>>42799138Dunno how you think you can evaluate this from the outsiders perspective but yes, it's not a perfect system but it does work. What I mean by not a perfect system is that you do retain some memories they just don't make sense when you don't have a reasonable understanding of what took place. The methods used generally keep the subject distracted with constant short term problems so that they don't have time to sort out what they have been involved with. It's actually pretty surprising to see how much you can almost know while remaining complete distracted and not paying attention. Even when the memories really deserve more attention the conscious mind just fails to focus on the truth. It requires someone to point blank inquire about the memories to make it happen.. even when you are fully aware of the context of other people who have experience with this. For me, I was 33 when I finally understood what I had been involved in since age 5.. even after managing to activate an alternate identity structure when I was 18 and literally watching my body walking away.. lot more detail to the full description.. I had known several other kids who had been involved.. I even understood that some of them were but I didn't understand that I also had been. A single post is obviously too brief to really get into the details.. but yeah it's a real thing. The Zombie drug is a component of one of the compounds used.. but the terminology is not really appropriate otherwise. It's literally a deliberately cultivated form of multiple personality disorder. The intelligence community has much better understanding than civilian medical pretense. >>42799243Far more than you would guess have been subjected to conditioning programs
>>42799138"Proof" is a strong word, but if you're looking for a formal academic type perspective with facts then look for writings and interviews with Dr. Colin Ross..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfGN5vbs-DA&"This episode features Dr. Colin Ross, an internationally renowned psychiatrist, researcher, and author in the field of trauma-related disorders, including Dissociative Identity Disorder. He is the founder and President of The Colin A. Ross Institute for Psychological Trauma. He is also the author of The CIA Doctors. In this episode of The Nick Bryant Podcast, Dr. Ross discusses MK ULTRA, Dissociative Identity Disorder, The False Memory Syndrome Foundation and the treatment of patients with Dissociative Identity Disorder."
>>42799300>Far more than you would guess have been subjected to conditioning programsA lot of the conditioning done on the public through culture is actually designed to move actual targets into correct positioning. For example, if the goal is to get a popular podcaster to talk about a certain topic, news items are fabricated to influence their fans into demanding it from them, influencing the game by changing the playing board.Unfortunately, many conspiracy theories are created by intelligence agencies for this purpose. Right now there’s a massive new age Christian op running.
>>42799243Mr. BeastJake PaulLogan PaulJames Dumoulin Abdul El-SayedJeremy CorbellBob LazarZohran MamdaniAOCMark RubioElon MuskMark ZuckerbergDavid GruschAriana GrandeTR/ST
>>42799645>Mr. BeastBest example yet
>>42799300>Far more than you would guess have been subjected to conditioning programsThe public as a whole?
Modern mind control is usually Monarch programming. https://archive.org/stream/project-monarch/Project%20Monarch_djvu.txt
>>42800619https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQzL28F9Mg0
Derren Brown is a hypnotist who uses NLP (Neuro-linguistic programming) who hypnotised and programmed a regular guy into becoming a sleeper cell assassin. You can watch the entire program here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owootTAuxic
>>42799300> I was 33 when I finally understood what I had been involved in since age 5.. even after managing to activate an alternate identity structure when I was 18Can you tell me more about your experience and background. Trying to figure out my own shit. From whay I read, it sounds like it starts earlier for people like age 3. Like you, my memories start more around 5 or 6.
>>42800619>Egyptian Book of the Dead, a compilation of rituals explicitly describing methods of torture and intimidation (to create trauma), the use of potions (drugs) and the casting of spells (hypnotism), ultimately resulting in the total enslavement of the initiateThere is no such thing in the book of the dead. Also I have no idea where people are getting the idea that nazis were specifically doing research into trauma based mind control. Same with occult orders through the ages. I can't find any source that would make that connection. I think Fritz mentiones Mengela as the father of mk ultra but mengela was into eugenics and there is no proof we have that he was researching mind control.
>>42800720>There is no such thing in the book of the dead.Not in the 'public' version, no.
>>42799300This is the darkest secret of the world and I am sorry you went through this
>>42800730Sounds like an ass pull to me.
>>42799138greyareamonarch on twitter. Went through it and is an expert. 1994 ACHRE hearings are a good place to start
>>42799138Yeah it's called a wife
>>42799138Anon, we see this shit everyday with political activists memory wiping themselves to push whatever narrative their authority figure tells them to push. We are seeing MK ULTRA in real time, in all of our faces. People with no history are easy to control.>>42799243Wow, you actually nailed the hammer on the head with this list.
>>42800740That's the thing I wish people understood, I don't see it as a negative. Not everyone qualifies to even be considered. Not everyone survives evaluation. It's not so much that they deliberately destroy the potential subject.. but they put the subject in situations that are perilous if incorrect decisions and evaluations are made. They don't want to waste time and resources on individuals who are just going to drop the ball in the first moment things get real.By the time videos such as this one are being used much has gone into consideration of the entire environment of the potential future operative. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVfxiT448wThis leaked one is pretty mild and modern.In addition to the powerful psychoactive chemicals of Sydney Gottlieb many of the scenes within the video would be presented in the daily life of the individual subject so that if the video is visually remembered there will be a different time in which it will have been present. Several of the scenes would have been presented prior to the conditioning session and several after to create a general haze over the concept of remembering exactly when and where the imagery was seen. There is more in the video than you will notice at this resolution.. flashed on the screen for a fraction of a second are images of iconic characters and concepts that are key components in various aspects of the partitioning of the identity structure of the subject. These are associated with the numbers shown in conjunction.. and these serve as trigger for accessing the various components of programmed behavioral characteristics.It's not a custom video made for a single individual. It's almost comparable to the concept of replicants in the fictional movie blade runner.. they have many people who have the alter personalities embedded in their subconscious. I wonder if it would be possible to trigger mine again.. it probably can be done. I only did it once on my own.. literally 40 years ago.
>>42799300>It requires someone to point blank inquire about the memories to make it happenI don't want to come off as an autistic nerd saying this but it explains that one scene in Lain when she had a freak out over being asked basic questions about her life before falling back onto a different personality to cope with it.
>>42801305Lain has been described by oblockheedtn on Twitter as programming
>>42799645How do you see the UFO fiasco playing out
>>42801362The only other moment I recall hearing about with MK ULTRA and lain is the part where the sister used a napkin she got from the boy and proceeded to lose herself. Apparently the CIA did the same thing by soaking public napkins with LSD and giving them to people. A lot of subtle things in that show that you would only catch on if you know.Make me wonder about his other stuff he worked on like Texhnolyze and Malice@Doll.
>>42800720Very undereducated on the topic or a cult shill.https://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/tag/mengele/Ex-Jesuit programmer directly under Mengelehttps://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/2017/06/04/infant-programming/https://foxyfox.substack.com/p/cabala-eastern-star-and-mk-ultrahttps://www.scribd.com/document/335088420/Carol-Rutz-a-Nation-Betrayed-Secret-Cold-War-Experiments-2001Mengele MKULTRA victimhttps://www.lunamoth1.blogspot.com/2011/06/dr-mengele-comes-to-quebec-1949.htmlSighting in Canadahttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1lEWaV2qU8_jd0llLDyuk-LEHBU5swvS_/view?usp=drive_openMengele 'Loves-me/loves-me-not' daisy programminghttps://cathyfox.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/fionaeyesewo_june2020_lockdownedition.pdfMengele victim (See especially 'Josef Mengele in Australia' around page 400)http://whale.to/b/sp/for1.html#Components_Of_The_Controls__Mengele programming scriptshttps://archive.org/details/never-give-up-svaliDetailed Mengele information, first-handhttps://www.henrymakow.com/mk-ultra_slave_recalls_torture.htmlhttps://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htmDeathbed information from Otto Skorzeny, rare post-WWII Mengele in the US photos. "Bush" is Scherff.
>>42801488Josef Mengele is considered “the father of modern programming” due to the information and methods that he developed during his infamous end-point experiments on infants, young children and adults inside the Nazi death camps. These experiments were funded in part by the Vatican, as well as other organizations, because they were highly interested in improving their methodologies. Before Mengele, most serious programming was begun between birth to two years old (the age at which programming was initiated varied between groups), since behaviorists believed that the infant brain was too immature to hold much programming. Mengele proved with his well-kept records based upon unutterably cruel research done on infants that the most effective programming was done prenatally; that prenatal programming automatically enters into the subconscious and deeper brain, and that the most effective time to create the core personality splits is during the first five months of life after conception.
>>42801493...After the second world war, Mengele was often flown to Europe to programinfants. He left his personal stamp on many infants and young children programmed by during this time. He was also hired out at times (for an exorbitant fee) to other organizations, but his primary post-war work was continuing his research and programming international occultic agents from infancy.Mengele ran an infamous (within the occultic world) research center (“the institute”) where he employed the top trainers within the 12 societies, who continued his research under his (brutal) supervision on end point trauma (trauma that takes the subject to physical or psychological death) and other traumas, and the effect on the human psyche. The volumes and volumes of carefully documented research data are still held within occultic training libraries, and have been replicated and shared throughout the world. The research that he began is still ongoing, as the search for better, “unbreakable” methods of programming continues. One of the largest research centers for experimental programming is on the West Coast of the United States; the large research facility is underground, and is combined with sophisticated milab (military laboratory) research.
>>42801493Where do you think the origins of programming knowledge comes from? Inter-dimensional entities? I doubt this was something people stumbled on
>>42801305I literally found the book "secret weapons" and was very excited about it. Found it in a bookstore and read it standing at the shelf.. speed reading and scanning the pages doesn't take too long. Found that I had been in conversations in my teen years that were either identical or related to information from the information in the book.Didn't buy it at first.. was cautious about being associated with information items by purchasing them.. after a few days of reflecting on my memories I returned to purchase the book.. was expensive hardback version. Was carrying it around showing it to people as if I expected them to be equally irrationally excited by the information in the book. I had taken it to a martial arts training group that I was revisiting after several years of being away from the area.. and was showing the book to one of the higher ranked students of the then modern era.. and he point blank asked me "is this what you are?"I had intended to casually dismiss the notion by saying " I don't see how I could be. "Simple..But the way I said it was " I don't see how.. "Longer than intended awkward pause.." I could be "Just that strange pause started the process of me actually looking directly at my own memories.
>>42801622Cont.Another thing happened at the same time. An aunt had gotten into my grandmother's house and messed with her photographs.. and had left her own picture in a frame on the piano.. it was a newspaper photo of her and her husband in the early 70s with a caption below it..I could see the details of the hair and faces.In Germany when I was 5 and living on an army post my family had a visit by a couple who I had vaguely remembered as being told they were my father's youngest sister and her husband.This was them.. and I could remember the details not quite the same. Close. Very close.. but not quite right.Within a few weeks I had solved the puzzle..I went and asked my dad who was that family member that visited us in Germany?He had served more than 35 years in the army.. had been stationed in Germany three times in the 60s 70s and early 80s. Without pause he knew who I had to be asking about because we only had visitors stay with us once. He answered immediately with " that was no family member. He was a friend of mine "I had not specified gender.. so I said " well he was probably cia "He tried to dismiss this without even mentally processing why I might be saying this about someone I had only been around for a week more than 25 years earlier. He said "he wasn't cia.. he was a journalist.."But then he started to say outloud his thoughts as he began to figure it out.. "well the Russians said he was cia when they captured him in Afghanistan.. but nah.. he was a journalist."..yeah a journalist.. that was why he had found him plausibly deniable employment opportunities inside of a combat zone..He eventually figured it out a few days later and very seriously debriefed me as to who the guy was and the secretary traveling with him. The Pentagon had sent the guy to take photos of some maps my dad had found in Vietnam.
>>42801631From what I understand about what I remember I was told they were my aunt and her husband so if he got pulled over by the German police they would have her, a responsible family member, come take custody of the child. Anyway yeah the drugs wore off on a few occasions and I was able to form memories. I remember the facility I was taken to and that he transferred me over to another group of people who I have no clear memory of.. I don't recall seeing them but I remember that he had to enter the facility and wait for them to open the door. I was experiencing the effects of a hallucinogen as it wore off. Saw the roadway.. trees.. and the small road leaving the highway.. when I was 7 I had once attempted to ask one of my older brothers if "they" had ever taken him to that warehouse or toystore up in the mountains..I remember when the drugs were flushed out of my body after I had earned water. I don't remember the previous scene of how I earned it i just know from what I remember what must have been the scenario. I was face down on an epoxy grout tile floor, expensive and uncommon outside of butcher shops and morgues, and I was unable to move my body as a thick dark yellow liquid ran from me pooling around my body.. it's the only reasonable deductive explanation for the circumstances that I have memory of.. judging from the details of the personal accounts of others who have undergone hypnosis for the purpose. It's not the kind of thing that the average meddling amateur medical practitioners are particularly helpful with.. having been trained to hammer they see only nails.I have lots of other memories.. this is just focusing on one which is out of context otherwise
>>42801235>literally 40 years ago.How long have they been doing this?
>>42801559I was shown, in 1980 in the Rathaus of badWindsheim Germany, (and I quote) " how secret societies have controlled Europe throughout the last 600 years. "A relatively simple system of watermarks were used. Every region of Europe had a network node of a system of secret societies. Each regional area had two symbols, one meaning that they support the item marked by the symbol and the other to indicate that they oppose it. The symbols had not changed in the passing of centuries. Probably because they were already established long before they arrived in notheren Europe.
>>42801720Ancient times anon, literally. The difference is more and more people are waking up, more survivors are talking.https://foxyfox.substack.com/p/how-many-mind-controlled-slaves-are
>>42801651>>42801622>>42801631>I don't remember the previous scene of how I earned itThat is interesting. "You" may forget but the the deeper part of your brain doesn't. Just like how if you do something over and over again it become habit forming and you end up doing it without realizing it. A basic reward such as water is even more telling as it implies you were deprived of even the most basic things as food and rest so that can be used as a reward system.I watched Blade runner 2047 a week ago. The artificial human detective had to go through a test to test his emotional baseline to make sure he is under control. The test included painting emotional scenes with words with the detective having to repeat things back. The words however started to get more abstract where it was more symbolic then practical. I wonder if certain symbolic phrases or pictures like "a white fountain flowing with water" would trigger certain things. I remember Twin Peaks the return also having a strange "poem" like that with a white horse.That these symbolic poems that mean nothing to an outsider could trigger a strong emotional response. And that if the victim could repress that strong emotional response he is still good to use. Add on top of the fact that people today are bombarded with noise and distractions with a hint of strong constant pain where they are forced to repress it without possible meditations or introspection...
>>42801720You can see the early American program in process with the development of Norma Jean into Marylin.Musicians and athletes and celebrities of any kind are often able to access individuals or locations that others would find difficult or impossible.Egyptian literature seems to have accounts of conditioning processes.. for slightly different purposes but potentially related.My guess is that some form of it has been around for thousands of years. Maybe it was improved upon or enhanced over the last two centuries.On occasion it is the other way around.. and a relative nobody can be ignored as they access what would be impossible to anyone noteworthy.Not all operatives are created equal..Teams are required.The people who are thinking that mass psychology operations are comparable to the individual conditioning programs have no clue.
>>42801720The original voodoo zombies my man.
>>42800720>>42800730This reminds me when I was showing my friends the movie "Jacobs Ladder". I told them that it involved glowies before the movie started. I didn't realize that they focused so hard on the "glowie" aspect of the movie they thought the whole thing was about mind control and killing off the soul of a person to mind control them. Jacobs Ladder is also based off the Tibetan book of the dead.What is also interesting is that throughout history, 40 days of the flood, 40 days of Jesus in the desert, taking 40 days for the soul to move on after death....
>>42801498I was 5 in 1973 so my early experience with this was in 73 74.>>42801385In October of 1978 for a Halloween themed field trip my 5th grade class went to a German theater (American military brats have English school inside the army post) and in the parking lot there were a few trailers with the Halloween themed stuff in them so we walked through these before going into the theater. There was a box with something inside.. spaghetti with food coloring.. but it was the delivery mechanism for the hallucinogen.. I think they had already learned their lesson about pumping the stuff in through the ventilation system. Not having any context to understand the situation the memories are easily forgotten as if they were just a dream If you are making a point to remember everything, even and especially your dreams, then you don't simply throw the strange memories completely away.. and they are there when you are able to sort them out many years later
>>42801778Scopolamine is used in various combinations with others.Literally the original zombie drug
>>42799282do you have more sources on other conspiracy topics like this
>>42801832>Halloween, when the veil is thinnest as darker nights come and the weather cools you into a soft, comfortable lull >The Halloween decorations adds to the surreal atmosphere where you can accept the impossible easier with blood and threats are just "fun">Don't touch the fey food or else you are stuck in fairyland >An open theater for the world of illusions to be sucked into and lose yourself in>The world is but a dream; the memories fade but the emotions make it real and the mark on your soul is made>Unable to tell the difference between reality and fiction from a memory, one is always stuck in fairyland.
>>42801721Implying there are two main factions of the hidden occult world?
>>42799138They already are. They used early humans to build pyramids all over the world. Connect the dots. These pyramids were built by monarchs. Hence the term Monarch MKUltra. It's how they control the population. Bread and circus is nothing new. And neither is human trafficking.
>>42799138>>42801958Also, OP. You should start using Gematria.MONARCH = 72ULTRA = 72
>>42799138>Does anyone have proof that it's possible to create a manchurian candidate and sex slave that doesn't remember because he compartmentalizes the mind to handle trauma and these alters can be programmed and turned on with triggers. We know dissasociation is real but can humans actually be successfuly programmed into zombies like this?Why are you so retarded? The proof is in the overt symbolism, just watch this music videohttps://youtu.be/ACOYFsDZ7-U?si=eFRNlNuJrhiBbXq2signs you should look for in society to identify sex monarchs: feline print, shattered glass, masks, butterflies, cat imagery, cages/chains/leashes/collars, mirrors, black gooOP maybe you should wake the fuck and stop being obsessed with the government pysops like "le epstein and le eyes wide shut" before you burn in hell
>>42801972yes, and numerology.
>>42799138>]Monsters INC was a soft analogy
>>42801977Tell me about the shattered glass and black goo. I always had a weird draw towards those concepts even before I realized they have occult origins.> stop being obsessed with the government pysops like "le epstein and le eyes wide shut"I think you and me are going to get along well.
>>42802015Shattered glass represents the fractured mind of the victim, the black goo (when it specifically comes to monarch victims) represents the void in their minds and that they are under complete control and their birth self which God created is dead, aswell as nanotechnology, and if they're crying it it means the body is naturally trying to reject the programming they're under
>>42802015also, look out for rabbits, and an excessive amount of kids animal plushies and dressing up like a child in animal clothing
>>42802052Those are the conclusions I also came up with myself as well. The small exception would be the black goo is nihilism and entropy itself looking to consume all, however if one has enough willpower they to can control and shape it themselves.
>>42801944Constructive and deconstructive activities of the same unified covert self enforcement process. The factions are unified, occasionally with infighting. There are several centuries long ongoing disputes. The networks are subordinate to an organizational power overseeing their presence. If one faction goes rogue the others will be united against it.
>>42802074Speaking of white rabbits I just thought of something and I would like some feedback. We both know of the Alice. Is the Alice the main character of the play or is she a part of the play that is meant to draw us the viewer/participant in deeper in the world, possibly guiding us to a chosen destination?
>>42802109Thank you. What is the ultimate purpose, just total control and enslavement? It really is comically evil as sophisticated as it is
>>42801977>feline print, shattered glass, masks, butterflies, cat imagery, cages/chains/leashes/collars, mirrors, black goo Also checkerboard print, alice in wonderland, wizard of oz, one eye imagery, bathtubs
>>42802120>What is the ultimate purposeYou ever have a boring Sunday with nothing to do?
>>42802189NTA but c'mon. Boredom is just a symptom of the issue. This is about good and evil. Good being life and existence itself. Evil wanting to bring it all down to the void and into nothing. The devil is jealous of existence. The void is not to be confused with destruction. With destruction you at least have the left overs, the ashes, to use to try and build again. The void destroys the very being to the point that not even memory remains.
>>42802114yes, alice's journey represents the illusion of free will the blind masses have (in reality it's all controlled), it would not be farfetched to consider 99.99% of the population to be under total hypnosis, and the destination is the wonderland which is the masonic utopia where truth and goodness is inverted>>42802142the 1st, 4th, and 5th things i didnt mention because those aren't mostly restricted to monarch symbolism, but yes all of those are signs and symbolism of the cult, there are many others, too many
>>42802220I dunno man, I find it infinitely perplexing how any creature in existence could find this interested over ANY activity life provides.Good and evil? Well sure, I do call it evil, but I don't fool myself into believing its anything but God playing a great game.I'm more concerned with how an animal could get this estranged from the natural world and CONTINUE to estrange itself each generation, passing on the trauma to its kin.A strange species indeed. I don't think I'll ever understand it.
>>42802120The current owners have been organized together for more than 18000 years. The process is self perpetuating for the system itself. Those at the top are isolated in their positions. In recent decades they have seen actual rivals for their positions emerge from the herds of humanity they have been unopposed owners of for more than 12000 years. They are not the famous names and faces.. you could walk past them in public and never know. Controlling the historical narrative has been a priority for the purpose of maintaining the narratives provided to the various tiers of their minions.At one point they were indulging in unopposed security. The path forward is not as certain.Technology that is capable of exposing their presence is now common.If you collect information for long enough maybe you can get lucky and find extraordinary sources.
>>42802266>The current owners have been organized together for more than 18000 years.I don't believe that. The human race does not reproduce with such high fidelity. People and organizations flat out randomly die and their children dont always follow in their lead. How is an organization supposed to survive 18,000 years if people can't even organize themselves in a functioning nation for 250?
>>42802266When you talk about actual rivals are you referring to factions of the MIC that have the technology to supplant them?
>>42802265In order to get back to nature you can begin with throwing away all the concepts that you have not discovered for yourself.If you are using a word or concept and you didn't discover it yourself then it came to you from somewhere.. someone.. else.Cut away all illusionary notions that have been supplied to you as fictional narrative.Reality is that which you yourself can perceive, so develop every aspect of your perception and explore the boundaries of it.Knowledge is that which you yourself have earned through experience.. belief is not knowledge. Identity belief and examine it.. where did it come from? What do you really know?Other humans are offering to you the opportunity to follow mindlessly just as they are doing.Ignore them and find your own way Recognize deception and follow it back to the source
dr greenbaum
>>42801972Gonna remake this one of these days.
>>42801488I genuinely want to know the truth. Just because abuse happened doesn't mean every memory the survivor recalls is correct. There is no declassified CIA documents that confirm existance of project monarch and publically MK ultra was unsuccessful and never done after 70s but we clearly have reason to believe project monarch is real and it's still going on. But personally I can't accept wild claims concerning the details of these projects and their history without strong evidence. I have no problem when people make connections between these mind control projects and nazi scientists coming to America through operation paperclip. But claiming Mengele as a "father" of mk ultra, to my limited knowledge, can't be supported by historic evidence. Main source for this is Fritz Springmeier. If I remember well, people probably also assume dr greenbaum, that some survivors mention, is dr Mengele. Specifically in greenbaum speach is revealed use of kabbalistic symbolism to program the mind. Why would a German physician and anthropologist who conducted research in heredity and Nazi racial biology turn to study of mind control and use ideas from jewish mysticism in his practice? Fiona barnett claims that Mengele that was followed by CIA in south america was a body double and the real one was a fat guy in Australia that molested her and after uncovering the memory she identified him. Correct me if I am missing something but she is just making an unsupported claim based on her recovered memories and saying this guy in the photo is maybe Mengele. There is no second opinion or documentation that would back up her claim.
>>42799138There's a lot of information out there, but it's very hard to prove. Even if you, by the act of reading it, begin to wonder if something happened to you.
>>42802408It's easy to confuse a memory if the emotion of it "feels" right but truly isn't correct. As for the Kaballah, it runs deeper and longer then you could possibly imagine. It's the building blocks of reality itself and how we interact with it.
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>>42802303Belief ain't worth much.>>42802312Technology has been responsible for an actual transfer of power. Contested for the moment it will be clear in the case of one faction taking singular control. We are probably better off while the competition is regulating them all against each other.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GKobdb-tZM
>>42802526I’ve wondered for years what groups Pawlec and as referring to as the four horseman. Would make sense that there are groups that are subservient to the NHI at the top of the occult systems and those that want purely humans to be in control technologically. Then maybe occult groups with varying agendas idkWatching his testimony about the microchips is especially disturbing post Covid jab
>>42801882Yeah I have a research collection.https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1TfZqPVSWRXCi_a3mM73W7HHfASRcadJq
>>42802490I know what kaballah is. I am saying it makes no sense for Mengele as a German scientist concerned with improvement of the aryan genes to utilize jewish mysticism. It doesn't even fit his profile to be interested in any kind of mysticism considering his life and education.
>>42802579>It doesn't even fit his profile to be interested in any kind of mysticism considering his life and education.Why are you even on this board? go somewhere else.
>>42799138No, this has never happened in the recorded history of humanity, and to even think it is a crime.Sounds like you may be suffering from False Memory Syndrome and may need medication and reeducation. Do not fear, agents have been dispatched to your predicted next destination and will facilitate your reintegration into society as a happy and productive unquestioning citizen.
https://youtu.be/1wc4AcaKw-4These networks have their ways of maintaining control. Depending on the times the methods change for the occasion.>>42802543Even from the perspective of the modern intelligence community these are difficult to identify. When you started before everyone else arrived it is possible to sit quietly and appear to be a natural part of the background. They have infiltrated everywhere..Where did epstiens plane fly to? Remember that unusual long flight? Why did they leave the transponder on? There are many clues that are not easily resolved.
>>42802596>Critical thinking asking questions and active research not allowed>just accept blindly everyhtingThe one that should go somewhere else is you
>>42802638No, it's you. What you said is retarded noise that shouldn't clutter up the thread or waste people's time. You don't even understand the basics and everything you said shows you have this occultist vs scientist dichotomy. There's nothing this place can do for you, go somewhere else.
>>42802643You are shitting up the thread. Instead of giving information to a genuine seeker you are wasting space instead of staying silent when you probably don't know and possibly feel threatened by someone asking questions you are unable to answer. Give me proof that Mengela even knew anything about the kabbalah.
>>42802704>possibly feel threatened by someone asking questions you are unable to answerYep, there's another reason for you to go. Dumbest thought process imagineable.
>>42800746HashtagBoomerHumor
>>42802490Than.The correct word is than.It has a completely different meaning than the word "then".When did they quit teaching the meaning of these words?
>>42802711I leave as soon as you elaborate on mengeles connection with the kabbalah. But the fact you are ignoring the main point only proves you don't know.
>>42802408You want the truth? Message me on Discord.Too much to dump here. og.thundernuts
>>42802789I'm trying to get you to think on your own and realize you're asking the wrong question. Stop with the infantile "why why why why why" and instead ask the obvious question, "why not?" I led you to that from the getgo. Can you tell me, why not? If you can't maybe you aren't even at the stage of asking why.
>>42799138Butterfly wallpaper was in disclosure day
>>42802329>Identify belief and examine it.. where did it come from?Damn auto spellwrecker
>>42800685Background?My dad served 35 plus years of active duty in the US army.. most of the time as an officer. I grew up in motion.. a few years here a few years there for the first two decades of my life. Made it easier to keep the memories clear in my mind where and when each event was. I began forming memories that I was deliberately retaining during my second year of life.. I have many memories from before my 3rd birthday which I also have visual memory of.Most of my childhood was in Germany and I would have been born in Heidelberg if my dad had not had to return to Vietnam for his second year there. He brought the family back to Texas and then returned from there around the time the public was being told about the trip to the moon. (My research indicates that they actually -probably- went one month prior and concealed something that was on the surface)Back and forth between Germany and Louisiana until the family returned from Germany to Texas to stay as my dad retired from the military in the early 80sWhat use the programs got out of me was in Europe between 73 and 80 and then I was in contact with other kids involved in stateside operations on several occasions throughout my teen years.. into my early adult life. Freak luck or whatever I managed to find people and make acquaintances with several people who had unusual involvement in operations and programs and was well connected before the Clinton administration began to exterminate the people who Kennedy had set up to covertly protect the American people. Then I stayed low profile and kept to myself as I began to explore within the subspace realms by means of cognitive perception.. which had begun to be my most serious concern around the time I was turning 21 as by then I had discovered the reality of actual perception and interaction with native American heritage individuals in particular. I posted in another thread some related information >>42768736Several other posts in the thread are me
>>42804408Cont.At 23 I became fully conscious of the beings from the stars and began remaining fully conscious during the routine visits At 33 I became aware of my previous involvement in the mk ultra type programs There were several other things that were similarly a big deal along the way
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>>42805085You could be listing names and you'd be here for hours, there's millions and millions of these people. Every mayor and chief of police and pastor is a mason. Like one in 50 people in every city in this country is a freemason. 100 years ago 40% of men in this country were part of a secret society (all ultimately part of the same cult) Their lodges are everywhere they have tunnels under every city where they smuggle children, one of my bosses was a freemason, if you do genealogy of your family you'll find a public 33rd degree freemason, keep in mind a lot were privately freemasons too so u wont find records, also had a masonic magician in my family, the school i attended was named after a mason
>>42805222I'm so curious how some of these literalwhos get selected for 33rd degree. My grandfather was one of them, and was basically a worthless retard who acted like trailer trash his whole life. Career military, but never became an officer. Zero percent chance he had the intellectual curiosity to make heads or tails of any of the esoterica, and from what I've been given to understand about the Royal Secret, I can't really picture him making the cut, and if he did, it certainly made no discernible impact on his life, interests, or personality. Can't wrap my head around the fact that a man of FDR's caliber stalled out at 32nd while this dipshit was somehow seen as made of the right stuff to outrank him.I guess we're descended from nobility you can trace back a good eight centuries or so, if for some embarrassing and retarded reason that actually counted for something in their eyes.
>>42805858I believe some free mason lodges are just dummy houses to filter those with real potential. It's why you hear about boomer men bragging about being freemasons all the time, because if you were a true freemason you would keep that under wraps in case you say something you shouldn't.
BumpCan some tell me about the ritual abuse aspect specifically
>>42805222Freemasons are a boomer mutual aid society not an evil shadowy cult. Theyre not even the richest societies, the richest societies are:BilderbergYale SocietiesOpus Dei (Catholics)Bohemians
>>42807433The exact metaphysical mechanics are a mystery to me but I assume perpetrators of abuse are using rituals because traditionally in magic and psychology it's a way of connecting to the unconscious mind. Satanism is just an easthetic often used but the main idea, I believe, is the torture and blood sacfirice that causes trauma. They want to scare the victim with aliens/demons/reptilians and to confuse their memory with bullshit that makes them seem crazy and to the victim the perpetrators seem supernatural and powerful.
>>42807483>boomers>not shadowy>not evil
>>42807483Why yes I'm also a traveling man... please shut up mason
>>42802114"In Jesuit programming, when presenters are not ‘out’ in the body, they are living in ‘Wonderland’ inside. In the Order, Alice in Wonderland programming is used to ensure that presenters: never communicate with or be aware of other parts inside; completely believe that their memories of an ordinary life is the only life that that person is living; stay completely amnesic to any cult activity; and stay completely unaware of any loss of time when they are not ‘out’ in the body. Key characters in Wonderland, such as the White Rabbit, remind presenters of these tasks, and reward and punish for compliance or disobedience as needed. As these memories relate, Alice in Wonderland programming begins at very early age."Svali" HUMPTY DUMPTY'S evil speech to ALICE about how she can remain at her age - just under 8 years old forever...'two can'...this is TOUCAN programming which ANTONY RADCLIFFE speciallised in - the creation of 'child alters' frozen in time, through extreme torture. "One can't, perhaps,' said Humpty Dumpty; 'but two can. With the proper assistance you might have left off (growing up) at seven.' "Ex MI6Alice is amnesia programming. The 'white rabbit' is the child's programmer. "Follow the white rabbit" is a trigger phrase. The book was written as a mind control script for pedophiles, by one. Guess what the actual meaning of 'rabbit hole' is. Child abuse and mind control slavery are intertwined, mind control ensures the child never consciously (in their 'front' alter personality) recalls their abuse. The white house events that were 'alice/rabbit' themed. The bust of 'the wonderland club' pedo ring. The rabbit statues outside trafficking daycares found by /pol/. The white rabbit 'art' found during pizzagate investigations. The constant alice imagery in media. Many of these "going to a magical fantasy world" stories are about pedo cults (Oz, peter pan, etc.). Many fairytales are retellings of ancient Luciferian programming scripts.
>>42807532https://mymkultra.wordpress.com/2020/05/07/internal-world-symbolism-alice-in-wonderland/https://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/2024/08/08/podcast-about-alice-in-wonderland-programming/https://allreligionsareone.org/Alice%20in%20Wonderland.htmlhttps://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/2024/06/28/new-interview-discusses-alice-in-wonderland/http://www.whale.to/b/obrien_b1.htmlhttps://theopenscroll.blogspot.com/2013/01/part-76-sodomite-gateway-alice-in.htmlhttps://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/2018/06/30/alice-in-wonderland-programming-part-1-white-alice-programming/https://svalispeaksagain.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/alice-in-wonderland-programming-part-2-crazy-alice-and-black-alice-programming/http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for1.html#Alice%20In%20Wonderland%20Programming%20as%20it%20Pertains%20to%20an%20Alter%20Going%20Down%20in%20Trance%20for%20Internalhttps://textbin.xyz/?afa6f1bae070c613#6CusCHXyrs9gc4xRSY9tLYgLbXUNX2bD2E4di6Gh9Fm6http://johnscarlett.blogspot.com/2006/12/john-scarlett-eggman.htmlhttps://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2018/11/08/alice-in-wonderland-and-wizard-of-oz-mk-ultra-programming-unpacked/"To mind control children, perpetrators use ancient programming scripts passed down through Luciferian dynasties. Scripts employed traditional nursery rhymes and fairy tales, modern cartoons based on ancient mythologies, and children's books series specifically written for programming purposes. Programming scripts included: The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe, Peter Pan, Lord of the Rings, Alice in Wonder land, and The Wonderf ul Wizard of Oz. Note the word 'wonder' in the last two titles. Oz is Osiris, and mind control was developed in Ancient Egypt."Fiona Barnett
>>42807532>>42807533You were *this* close. You got some things right but then other things drive off the road. I can't blame you, one reason why they do symbolism is so you go crazy trying to figure out what things mean and get lead astray by other signs that don't mean anything.
>>42807544>got some things right but then other things drive offEnlighten us anon
>>42807607Trying to connect different works to mind control, particularly lord of the rings and Narnia. LotR is a long book and using the excuse "the author is Christian" is a weak one it is still a reason I am going to uphold. The book has a good sense of good and evil and so does Narnia. It feels like just because it's in the fantasy genre it automatically gets marked as "mind control scripts". And while I am not going to outright deny white rabbit symbolism white rabbits are common enough that normies would use it.
>>42799138Psych anon with long history of working in treatment centers. Lately it's kinda crystallized for me that the truly sadistic could use abuse to make the most feral sex fiends and most ruthlessly violent criminals possible. All you'd need then is a group of handlers. Set them in the right place at the right time and hope you get some good results. And if it goes awry they dont have the wherewithal or credibility to come at you. Fits with the breeding program, too. In order to get untraceable money you need to create an untraceable source like selling the drugs you captured. After that, your dark money can self perpetuate. You can do a similar thing with people. You dont need to disappear enough for all your purposes. You actually dont want the risk associated. You want a small group that can be made (through force) to reproduce and self-perpetuate. And yes I'm a GATE kid, too.
>>42799138Read Trace Formation of America by Cathy O'Brien. You will understand politics and our world better than 99% of people.
>>42808299also you can hear directly from the victims and programmers themselveshttps://www.youtube.com/@imaginationpodcastofficial
>>42807533Fiona Barnett strikes me as a nut. If anyone is interested in a survivor that doesn't mix false memories or indulges in overarching schizo connections I recommend Cathy O'Brien. Claiming that fairy tales or books like Alice in wonderland were originally made for the purpose of mk ultra is retarded. They were clearly just innocent stories that kids and adults could enjoy and their themes were used for programming. I welcome anyone that can provide proof for the claim that mind control came from egypt or that you can find mk ultra type technology before CIA started researching it.
>>42808299I plan to read her book in the future. Just finished Mind-Controlled Sex slaves and the CIA by Tracy Twyman. In it she has interviews with Cathy, Ted Gunderson and John DeCamp among others. Gives a nice overview.
>>42807805No, she stated they are *used* as scripts; not written PURPOSELY AS scripts like alice, oz.>>42808361You are wrong on both counts. Anons who are unaware:Eyes Wide Openhttps://cathyfox.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/fionaeyesewo_june2020_lockdownedition.pdfChild Trafficking, Ritual Sex Abuse & MK-ULTRA Are A Single Worldwide Operation, Run by the U.S., U.K. and AUS Secret Serviceshttps://web.archive.org/web/20190803062451/https://prepareforchange.net/2018/09/21/child-trafficking-ritual-sex-abuse-mk-ultra-are-a-single-worldwide-operation-run-by-the-u-s-u-k-and-aus-secret-services/Witness Statement by Fiona Barnetthttps://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2018/07/28/witness-statement-by-fiona-barnett/Fiona Barnett Links Summary Pagehttps://foxyfox.substack.com/p/fiona-barnett-links-summary"Fiona Barnett’s 2019 Evidenced Rebuttal of Hit Piece"https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2022/07/09/fionas-2019-rebuttal-of-hit-piece-with-evidence/
>>42808384Juliette Engel is also a good person to check out
>>42805085any more insight on Etika? ever since his death i am thinking about what caused his psychosis. he was in the party scene so maybe drugs and sleep deficiency. yet he would also hang with shady people, i read on a youtube video of his livestream arrest
>>42807532That’s really dumb lol
Father Ignatius, deploy the White Rabbit protocol
Anyone have opinions on Cheryl Rainfield or Carrie Olaje?
>>42808450>No, she stated they are *used* as scripts; not written PURPOSELY AS scripts like alice, ozOk, thanks for clearing that up. That is much more believable.
>>42809563It is possible that the institutions involved have made suggestions to established writers for ideas and concepts that they might embed into their fictional narratives and characters. At least in more modern era times this would seem not only plausible but likely.The book " a wrinkle in time " is also used with mind control operatives. This is probably an example of what they produce under these circumstances.
>>42809648They would not even have to make the suggestion from any official positions, it could be coming from just a random acquaintance as far as the author knows.. or perhaps through someone in a position of influence over the literally world.. perhaps involved in the awards and accolades of reviews.
>>42809543Carrie extremely intelligent and legit
>>42807805As real as all this shit is, it is unfortunate when people start saying things completely unsubstantiated ie LOTR or DBZ being mind control scripts and then simply not elaborating or explaining
>>42809648Now that you mentioned it, was it Jeffery Dahmer or some other serial killer who was literally programed to do killings from the movie "Exorcist 3"?
>>42809661>Literary world.. auto-incorrect So the awards could be rigged and the author told the ideas that they were looking for.. and the agencies would never appear to be involved.It was Cheryl and Lynn Herscha that had reported the use of " a wrinkle in time "It has concepts that relate to several aspects of the program type scenarios.. basically a solid structure to present the concepts to the conscious mind of the operative.There were certain comic books that had concepts in the 70s and 80s that got my full attention.. remember Erie magazine and the others like it? I even remember one that must have been very limited distribution titled Sargent No "Sgt No"I am very nearly certain that was on the cover of at least a small number of issues but haven't been able to find any trace of it on the internet.At the time, after two tours in Vietnam, my father was in armour.. was teaching armored tactics in Germany.. the mk program was probably interested in me because of my father's performance in combat.It had also been speculated that he may have been psychic in that context.. and later in the 1970s he came home from work at ft polk louisiana with the idea to test us all for psychic abilities similar to the euri geller crap.. attempting to bend metal flatware with the mind.. and do the cards.And it was Louisiana.. one time a presence entered that house.. everyone could feel it but there was nothing to see . It just entered through the wall and was high in the room as clearly present as an open oven door.. my father spoke to it and told it to leave.. and no one ever mentioned it again.
>>42809752Those people who dahmer was working for and with are the fringe edges of the alternative religion of the elites.
>>42809699Without the specific context it is not even enough to bade the assertion on. It's far too much literature to just make a general claim. What specific aspects?The wrinkle in time has many The concept of exclusive secrecy The concept of alternative states of consciousness that can transport a person from one place to another.. in a manner that would help make the missing time make sense to the ordinary consciousness of the target subject The concept of teamwork on mission operations There are numerous others in the book if you are looking for them. Sure it can be enjoyed as just an ordinary book.. but to the initiated there's a collection of concepts concentrated in one dense narrative focused on a life experience comparable to the disorienting reality experienced by the operative that doesn't even remember that they are an operative.
>>42809689>legitHow do you know . Nathan Reynolds and That organizing safety guy grey are intelligent but set off my alarm bells
>>42810003why do they set off your alarm bells? Grey is green flags only to me. Nathan says a lot but his heart is in the right place.Both Carrie and Grey don't wander into speculation or even the more wild aspects of things they have seen, just try and stay practical and grounded
>>42810624My own memories are only of a few events of training and conditioning, maybe somewhere between a dozen or 20, and a single event of apparent deployment. I was around several other people, kids, who were obviously much further involved upon looking back at the memories. At the time they were what passed for normal although I was highly aware of the potential for danger in the presence of these types once I was in high-school. My subconscious awareness of the truth kept me on high alert and ready for extreme circumstance. My conscious awareness thought of this as excessive and irrational but played along anyway by being completely ready for anything. Just for perspective, to those who don't understand, they can literally train your alternative identity to fly a helicopter and your ordinary life conscious awareness have no idea. You might retain some of the concepts in your ordinary conscious awareness but just dismiss it as ordinary information that you somehow overheard somewhere.. any aspect of military training may be behind you without your conscious awareness. And in a moment of reminding you of the extreme effects you endured in the conditioning process they suddenly have that trained person waiting for their operational commands.
>>42810624Fair enough. Thanks btw. It's hard to discern the disinformation independently. And yeah what's nice about Carrie and Grey is that they arent turbo religious tards. The thing that disturbed me about carrie was the boldfaced mispronounciation of Hecate lol.
>>42811348Their round table discussion on Emma Katherine’s podcast is very good can’t recommend enough. There are two of those
>>42811430Emm is and has been doing fucking amazing work. One thing I've noticed recently though; she has guests/survivors on who are increasingly speaking about straight up bullshit nonsense like "time travel", "aliens", and the like. I have to wonder if the cults are throwing disinfo people at her, or if these people are still semi-programmed and they truly believe what they are saying.
>>42811684Without the context of direct personal experience it can be very difficult to evaluate. I have years of direct experience with things that others find completely impossible to digest.. and even i have to draw the line on the claims of some people.. however, my own direct personal experience is of such a nature that I am prepared to listen closely to the claims of others. With my own direct observations in question by those who are less experienced i can see clearly that I do not have authority to tell reality what is allowed to exist. I can only define my own appetite for knowledge of truth, I don't get to control reality through belief. Belief by definition is incomplete knowledge at absolute best and is more typically simply fully in error. Wrong either due to error or deception. Examine the emotional state of the person making extraordinary reports of experience. The reality is that maybe they have seen something that even they do not comprehend.. their best efforts to share sincerely the information are limited to their own interpretation of what they think they understand about it. They may indeed have seen something 'real' in the sense that the mental imagery of their memory was truly formed by something tangible and beyond the realms of imagination.. but that does not guarantee that they have correctly comprehended their own perception. The key to this is to be very very extremely specific about the details of the cognitive imagery memory and when and how these images arrived within the mind Gather data without judgement as a first stage They appear to be attempting to sincerely report
>>42799138Lee Harvey Oswald Jack RubyTimothy McVeighThe Manson FamilyLance RentzelJimmy Shaver All of these men that I listed (except for Oswald, he had an MKUltra therapist named something Hartogs) were patients of a man named Jolly West and they all experienced kind of split personalities and forgetfulness after seeing him. Jimmy Shaver was a soldier who was probably programmed into killing a little girl at a military base, and was shocked and disturbed at what he did when he was executed. rentzel was a football player and close associate of west who inexplicably exposed himself to underage girls and was bailed out by west, again, doesn't add up, very likely programmed.What's tragic about the Kennedy assasination is many forget that Ruby was as much a victim of the govt as Oswald was. Shortly after he went to prison for killing Oswald he was assigned to West as a patient and quickly lost his mind. the Warren Commission couldn't reach him for comment because he was constantly raving about a holocaust in america and died like a year after the assassination from stress.look into jolly west if you haven't, he once drugged an elephant with lsd for amusement.
>>42811684>>42811799The cia has an operative status that is considered to be a "qualified witness".These are individuals who would be able to report to congress with their own statements accepted as established facts. What would you make of it if one of these were to make similar report?If the issue is with the credibility and reliability of the individual reporting this would be significant. I suspect that such an individual would be extremely detailed in describing exactly how the imagery arrived in the mind.. and would include orientation to details of physical(or non physical)reality at numerous points along the way during the narrative. There are several people who have made extraordinary claims.. but I think the main problem is with their understanding of the process by which the cognitive imagery has arrived within their minds. Just because they have a memory doesn't guarantee that they correctly comprehend it.And otherwise.. reality has many features that humanity has yet to encounter. We don't get to decide what we will tolerate to exist. If there is something more than humans are expecting to find it may be centuries or more before the observations are made by those who are able to comprehend. Much of my own direct experience would be dismissed as ridiculous by those who have no means to evaluate what the truth actually is.
>>42811845The Oswald that was in the Marines had his height measured. The Oswald who returned from two and a half years living in Russia had his height measured upon arrest. Four inches difference. Tattoo also significantly different. Russia would not have made such a mistake, but someone intent on blaming Russia if they got caught would. Jack Rubinstein said who he had acted to protect.
>>42811799>They may indeed have seen something 'real' in the sense that the mental imagery of their memory was truly formed by something tangible and beyond the realms of imagination.. but that does not guarantee that they have correctly comprehended their own perception. Agreed. I mean a foundational aspect of the abuse is confusion. Like wearing masks to discredit toddlers claims. Why wouldn't they have more elaborate scenarios for adults too? Im pretty sure my old fwb who came from a military family was subject to the milabs program, for example. He swore on his life that aliens would visit him all the time. But he also exhibited regular symptoms of tbmc.
>>42811910The majority of the humans are unable to look directly at their own memories of interactions with the beings. The technology of communication is largely responsible. Consider our telephone and television and image devices vr and augmented reality etc. They are easily tens of thousands of years ahead of us in this type of thing. It is bewilderingly disorienting. Some of it is just ordinary tangible physical material and most of it is otherwise absolutely incomprehensible. With years of experience a human can manage a modicum of comprehension. The beings can make a deliberate display of their presence if they have reason to choose to. They are certainly a reality.. but they will destroy your notions of what "reality" means
>>42811845>>42811875Zapruder was on assignment in exactly the same capacity as the "dancing Israelis" His office building has been converted into a holocaust memorial
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>>42811958Can you answer why these "beings" are so evil and selfish and why there is no force for good that ever pushes back against them?
>>42813639If I may present my theory of interpretation of the type of being that gets evaluated as being "evil";There are essential root concepts that emerge from existence. As a conscious sentient being we have an innate ability to perceive. What we make of this is a point of division. We may evaluate our environment and our existence. As we take account of what exists beyond our own immediate existence we encounter a concept of others and elsewhere.. interpretation of what we are perceiving becomes the foundation of our interpretation of what we are composed of and what we exist within. As humans our existence is entirely dependent upon the actions of others. In our initial formation and in our sustainability in living we are completely dependent on our biological parents and the process of reproduction. We are heavily predisposed to a world view in which other humans have significance and are established as authority and providers of sustenance and guidance. In the presence of a sufficiently advanced technology that foundation is not the basis for existence. Literally from the stages prior to the inception of consciousness or even of the fundamental biological processes of life the roots of an existing being become a fluctuation within the subspace realms of quantum fields.. the concept of enabling independent self directed abilities from this stage of existence is not a feasible feature of human existence. To a sufficiently advanced technology this is within the realm of tangible influence. To have the quantum properties of existence measured and controlled from before inception of physical biological processes is for those living in such conditions a natural feature of their existence. From the perspective of their individual beings each of these appears to be a very significant center of focus to the entire universe.
>>42813639>>42813794The knowledge of physics beyond human conception is the key. From the moment of their inception they are concentrated on their destination in the far distant future.. the point of destination of their own existence.. measured with the tangible properties of the faster than light field effects and their respective apparently tangible particles. They literally know their future from the moment they choose to exist. In the concept of self or other they see only self. This inverts their conceptualization of the idea of service to self or service to other.Their entire encounter with reality is disorientingly inverted. They know the future. They question the reliability of the past. More than one path could have produced the current circumstances. They are speculative of the fields that we consider resolved as past circumstance. Their motives and concerns are the result of this foundational inversion. They are not too very different from ourselves once you have an understanding of how this contextual bias destroys their relationship with the natural human notions of linear progression. And then too, they do demonstrate that they are not incorrect in their approach to reality.. putting the native human linear concepts into question not through theory but through demonstrative experience with example. I have years of experience with the beings. From time to time these types would show up and run the show.. as if they were officer status. I cannot guarantee that this is an accurate assessment. It has served as a working guideline, a hypothesis. It is a description that accounts for the full range scope and depths of my various direct personal observations and experiences.
I know quite a bit on this.Island boys. They either don't remember or they are acting but they are dumb as fuck but they were on Epsteins island.Manchurian candidate - to a certain extent yes.Sex slave - yes very possible but its dark and different secret societies do different things in this regard.Yes - just kissing your girls neck can turn a no for sex into a yes and the average person can be conditioned.People have been trying to get me to commit suicide and jump off and in front of things and occasionally when standing near say... a moving train or I'm at a height, then I will hear the word jump in my head over and over again. I kinda block it out. People are much stronger than the people who do this to people think and thoughts in your head do not always have to be acted on. But there are people who can be made to do this stuff because their minds aren't as conditioned and they have been put through years worth of trauma and then the suicide is the clean up operation.Suicide is the ultimate clean up operation for a mind controlled person as no one questions it, unless it's one of those two gun shots to the back of the head and the CIA have officially commented saying nothing suspicious here guys.
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>>42813794>>42813811As always anon, thank you for sharing your perspective. I did want to ask though, would you apply your assessment to all the "beings" (i.e. Reptoids, Pleaidians, Insectoids, Grays) or does this account only apply to one group?
>>42816339The vast majority of my experience was with the beings doing the grunt work.. the direct contact involved in maintaining the human biological presence here on the surface of earth. Typically these are the group that gets called greys. I mentioned, in this thread or the other, the one time that circumstances caused me to be absolutely certain about height and weight.. many of the same collective group were slightly taller. Seemed like at least three height ranges from 3ft to 4ft to 5ft approximately. I didn't focus on it often but there were different body coverings that may have been related to the type of activity or rank of the individual being.On one occasion the little guys took me to the tall whites when I had noticed the equipment they were required to maintain onboard by the tall whites. The only time I saw Nordic type beings i saw the vehicle attempt to conceal itself by turning on the same equipment and they were completely out of sorts and concerned by the fact that I was not affected by it. I can't even say with certainty what format of existence I was in.. I saw the scene.. maybe I was out of body. They didn't act like I was out of body.. and at the moment I was under the impression that they were the little guys with the illusion shield running.
>>42816339>>42816600If you watched the video that guy made onboard a vehicle that thing that looks like a lot of small faces is that illusion shield thing.. I was familiar with it.. expected it.. and assumed I was seeing the effects of it because I had never seen Nordic types prior to. Anyway, they had dropped down into a parking lot not many miles south of my house and I had simply suddenly become conscious of the scene at some point during the night, presumably while sleeping.. fully aware as I saw the ship sitting in the dark before turning on the equipment.. same thing I had seen flash on the ship of the little guys that had resulted in them taking me immediately to the tall whites when I was trying to get them to allow me to continue fully conscious when it was turned on..
>>42816339>>42816607The ship suddenly looked like a small restaurant building with a few neon lights.. like quietly trying to be ignored disguised in that parking lot.. and I had simply gone up to it and stuck my head into the wheel well shaped compartment that had the field projector in it. Was trying to figure out if I could see details of how it works or writing etc but it was largely featureless. A taller blonde and slightly normal human size dark haired Nordic presumably both male or ugly female. Stocky but both looking at me very concerned.. as I asked about the equipment they were trying to pull their equivalent of mind trick to get me distracted away from it. Soothing words saying there will be time for that later.. with no clear specification of when.. just basically a brush off. At the time I had not been seeing the beings with full conscious for several years.. still fully understanding how it works.. I had worked with them for years before I turned away from deliberately being fully aware. I had seen how they do their work without disturbing the trance of the human subjects.. I notice on occasion when I am only seeing the field of view they leave open for the human. I recognize how it works.. even when I am not fully conscious I see when I am with them doing that routine maintenence I mentioned. They see to our connections to others.. are looking at our consciousness and its attachments to other humans. Even to the point of managing visits with the people you have attachment to after they are fully transferred into their next body. Obvious that the full account would require considerable writing, literally a book or more.
>>42816339To answer your question the only ones I have direct observation of behavior that might be evaluated as of evil demeanor and attitude were the slightly taller grey types around 4ft tall. Typically the teams are assigned activities by the slightly taller beings and they remain in oversight function.. saw them with touchscreen tablets on occasion which was not a thing in earth technology as of 1993 and 1995.Lots of long detailed stories.. my understanding is from years worth of experience.
>>42816339>>42816618When encountering the taller types, did you ever get any sensation of terror? I've seen a couple accounts mentioning a primal fear either triggered by these taller greys or perhaps projected by them. It was described as a sort of "hopeless" kind of oppression, as though they (the people in the accounts) were faced with a natural predator that a human could not overcome or escape.
>>42813908Yes, I definitely experience non stop pressure and gaslighting and games to coax me into killing myself. A lot of people seem obsessed with the prospect of me killing myself. It's a shit world. It's hard to even take a break from the pressure to off myself.
