I can now manage to OBE but I still can't manage to get out of my room reliably or transport myself to any point in space or to imagined spaces. any help?

>>42834119
>>42836931
When you OBE, are you inhabiting your astral self in the actual world or in the wiremesh-geometry DMTscape version of the world?

>>42836962
the world you see in OBEs is a sketch of the real world, but your brain doesn't fucking like sketches and wants a complete picture, so it fills it up with bullshit which is often inaccurate. this is why you might get the layout of a room right, but the colors of the walls might be messed up ETC. you can think of OBEs as interacting with the world through a non-physical perception organ. is this useless? no. it can still be used for non-physical communication between projectors (telepathy) and other cool stuff. you can ask more if you wish, but this is a good baseline explanation of the phenomenon

>>42836973
So it's sort of like taking the minds eye out of its relay station and its doing its best to make sense of it, but it becomes scrambled? I'm just trying to visualize how that would even be perspectively. For instance, say you saw a radio while in the astral domain; could you see the wave lengths coming into the signal, could you push your hand if you had one into the dial to turn the music up?

>>42836987
if you didn't know a radio was there in the real world, you would see a black box or whatever there. if you knew there was a radio there, it would just be the radio as you saw it in the real world. as for turning up the dial, I don't think you'd hear any music unless you prime your subconscious to generate its own music after doing that action.

>>42837015
But interactivity exists?

>>42837037
interactivity with real world objects? I don't know, probably very very limited-to-inexistent. you can't turn a dial or flip over an object and expect it to be found like that in the real world. interactivity with PEOPLE in the real world? YES! people can feel when you touch them with your 'astral body', they KNOW (subconsciously) when you are looking at them when projecting etc. we know this through monroe's work and through CIA experiments proving the psychogalvanic skin reflex happens when someone is specifically looked at by a projector (even if they do not know it's happening).

>>42837053
Would the same be true of a Remote Viewing? If you remote viewed someone (Assuming it's actual RV and not day dreaming), would they know in the same way that they'd know if you visited them astrally?

>>42837079
I don't know anything about remote viewing. I have not interested myself in the subject, and as such cannot comment on it. I also just think OBEs have more merit.

>>42837086
Just seems risky to mechanistically induce yourself into an OBE, what if you got lost?

>>42837095
what does mechanistically mean in this context? there's no danger. there's no demons that'll crawl up your bumhole, nor will you get lost in the 'astral seas' and die in the real world. you just either voluntarily return to where your body is in the real world to wake up, or involuntarily start feeling your real body during the projection and wake up. all the risks are in your head.

>>42837103
I mean you're sort of artificially inducing it by engaging with these mechanisms. Frequencies in the ear playing in synchronicity while other senses are deprived, that sort of mechanism.

So it is just psychological in nature? There's no sort of exteriorized consciousnesses akin to the DMT babble that are lurking around in that plane? (Many of these topics to observers have a lot of overlap and tend to get synchronized in odd fashions)

>>42837115
if you had read my first explanation better you'd have known that I described as perceiving and interacting with the world through a non-physical perception organ. no, you do not actually 'leave', all the processing of the environment you see still happens in that noggin of yours. every time you think of something logical while projecting, it's your prefrontal cortex working ETC. does this mean it's useless or just meaningless psychological phenomena? no! again, it isn't! you are actually viewing things OUT OF YOUR BODY that your body cannot see and can even interact and transmit information with other projectors in conversational form THROUGH NON-PHYSICAL MEANS! aka TELEPATHY!

>>42837130
described it*

>>42837130
How do you distinguish that from imagination?
For example if I mentally visualize a street light that I know is there at this time of night, is that imagination or OBE? If I'm visualizing while laying down my mindseye journeying down the street with the current settings set(it's night and in my mindseye it's also night), is that an OBE or imagination?

>>42837161
do you know what an OBE is? you're describing remote viewing. visualizing is not an OBE. a good rule of thumb when projecting is to assume most things outside the environment are mind-generated unless proven otherwise. you can trust the general layout of a location you are seeing through OBE, if you haven't been there before, but the actual detailing of the place? that's generated by your mind to fill in the sketch, because your brain wants a complete picture, and not just a sketch. also, you should also assume most beings in OBE are mind generated unless they can give information that you couldn't possibly have known and is true. if it's unverifiable or very emotionally charged, it's likely just mind-generated. just be cautious, generally. any other questions?

>>42837169
It's very easy for the layman to conflate a lot of these things inadvertently and form a false impression or outright faux synergism on the topics.

So a physical out of body experience does physically feel out of body, you are viewing things from a 1st person perspective despite not actually being in "person" albeit the "view" is scrambled and discombobulated because you're not actually "Viewing" with eyes you're experiencing as a self and this perception is happening entirely within your consciousness.

forgive me for overcomplicating this and throwing around a load of word salad, just trying to parse it out.

>>42837182
yes it does physically feel out of body and you are viewing things from a 1st person perspective and it feels just like waking life. the view is not just happening in your consciousness, you are actually viewing things out of body with what I described as a "non-physical perception organ", but the information that the "organ" receives is just a 'sketch' of things, but your mind doesn't like incomplete pictures so it fills it with whatever it feels like in order to get a complete picture. thusly you can trust the general layout of a location is accurate for example, but not the details like the colors of the walls or things like that.
in this state, you can interact with other projectors and exchange information with them non-physically through conversation. people in the real world will subconsciously feel like they are being 'looked at' when being perceived by the "organ" and can even feel like they've felt contact when being touched by someone projecting. do we understand now?

>>42837206
Thank you for that. So what do other operators look like in this mode? Communication is purely telepathic between operators?

>>42837211
like their real selves, but it's also mind-influenced. communication can either be verbal or concept-driven ('telepathic') as there are accounts of both, but the most popular experiment on the subject had the projectors 'talking verbally' while exchanging information in the state.

>>42834119
i can OBE but the room is never exactly the same I'm a detailed person so i check for things that dont match my reality and i find countless things, this means either OBE is bullshit or theres a higher reality coordinating multiple dimensions so when you OBE you dont inhabit the self where your body resides but you're out of the multidimensional universe and sent into another dimension

i think the soul is a timeless entity separated by mirrors and each reflection is a different dimension when you OBE you almost never land in your own dimension

>>42837257
>the room is never exactly the same
gee I wonder if a post explained why that it is in this very thread!

>>42837206
Anon stop writing fiction.
You are not doing any of this. You are not floating around and interacting with other people and spying on everyone,
Why are you writing this? What do you seek to gain from this? It’s the most distasteful form of larping. Worse than glowies.

>>42837274
i refuse to believe that post and i ignored it on purpos your mind filling up the gaps makes as much sense as the scientific explanation saying that you're memories are only partially accessible during dreams which leads you to make up nonsense, you faggots get so defensive when your theories have plotholes and when a better explanation comes you get defensive just like science fags

>>42837297
It’s just a dream therefore the room changes constantly.

>>42837300
during OBE it does feel very real but the room is definitely not mine and the interaction with people are also different the memories they have of me are different and i am different to them and i slowly start to download the memories of the current interaction so it is an already formed life of SOMEONE else that isnt the same self or ego we may share the soul which is why i land in another me life but is definitely not my own , I'm gonna go with my own qualia on this and reject your nonsense theory of my mind filling gaps, mind filling gaps does happen during normal dreams not during OBE

>>42837281
God forbid someone actually practice something useful on /x/ that could advance research and have an impact on the world. we just need a thousand more manifestation and succubus summoning threads and then the board'll be fixed! oh, and don't forget the nobody general! we need more of those too! don't you just hate shit with legitimate research surrounding it?

>>42837333
He’s (assuming it’s not you) is simply making it up. Not even the people who write up the books on this claim this sort of thing can be reliably done to that level. Even Robert Bruce who gets shilled here a lot only claimed to be able to get into his real time zone (RTZ) for minutes.
That post is at the exact same level as the Succ threads because it’s one anon pretending he can communicate with anyone and spy on anyone. He isn’t doing that.

>>42837391
but I wasn't claiming to do all those things all at once. I was citing experiments. I am able to project, but as you can read here, I am limited >>42836931
please expand your reading comprehension, and do have hope in more research, for only science can truly map out the unknown.

>>42837430
Sure whatever.
Then don’t state it as if it is fact then.
It would be great if it did do all this stuff but no point making grandiose claims when so far there is none of your mighty science mapping out your unknown butthole.

>>42834119
OP here damn forgot to include previous thread an actual title of the thread, ok atleast people are using the stuff. anyways could really use some feedback on alternative to pastebin if anyone has ideas.

>>42837827
>>42837827
Just stick it in the Akashic library.
Lmao.
lol.
But seriously pastebin is fine.

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>>42837257
>i can OBE but the room is never exactly the same
Hello anon, You have to understand that your consciousness is non local. It occupies multiple dimensions and different times and different spaces. You have past lives, future lives and parallel lives all going on at the same time.

In this physical dimension it covers vast areas of space as well. Literally expanding beyond this solar system. That's why you can "project out of your body" into another place instantaneously ala the "raduga phase method" or the "Target Technique".

I'll explain it like this. Right now you're in your physical body and you're "seeing" out of your physical eyes so you see your physical room.

Once you go into another energetic "body" like the Astral body, Etheric body, Dream body, Death body, or Elemental body you're consciousness views your room from the Eyes of that different body. So you will see the room from a different vantage point as well as different entities and objects. Such as the Guardian of the threshold, Demons, angels, ghosts, God, aliens etc.

What you "see" depends on what body your Consciousness is inhabiting. It's like changing the channel on your tv or on youtube. Change the body type and you change the reality you view. These other energy bodies also allow you to change POV so you can see yourself in 1st person or 3rd person if you want.

Your brain has nothing to do with any of this like the other anon said. Astral Travel and Lucid dreaming is purely energetic in nature. Not physical.

Some anon posted a bunch of AI slop that explained a lot of this so i'll go ahead and re-post it for you guys.

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this one's pretty neat, explains that the astral has levels and that it changes the more you go into it.

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this covers robert bruce's concept of the double being a copy that must be integrated back into the main body.

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this is the last one i have. there may be more, but it'll give everyone a simple understanding of astral travel while you develop your own understanding of it.

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Some anon had a big collection of astral books and lucid dreaming books you guys might want to check out.

I've got the audiobooks from andrew holocek (dreams of light + dream yoga) as well as the Tibeten yoga's of dream and sleep by tenzin wangyal rinpoche. i'll share those later for those of you that want to do this stuff as a spiritual route instead of for cooming.

I highly recommend those 3 books if you want to go pirate them from the slums or anna archive.

those AI pictures differ from what i talk about in my posts mainly because i personally follow the anthroposophic method of astral travel and these AI slop pics come from reddit i believe.

>>42840673
thanks, i read all the ai images is very close to what I suspected by observation, you answered many questions but i still got alot to say about it

for me OBE isn't difficult to achieve i remember most of my dreams and or projections, the paralysis happened a lot to me but i stopped fearing it and accepted it and now it doesn't happen often and never sleeping on your back helps a lot

now what remains is a question on how to choose where you will be projected seems to be based on your emotions for example if i sleep missing someone i end up in a place where that person is death which intensifies my feelings for that person, is like the emotional toll is the driver.

I've been projected as different animals different gender a gas like being different ages, i just dont seem to have consciouss control on where i end up sometimes is an exact replica of my own room with small differences like an out of place wardrobe sometimes is a completel different bizarre universe where i dont even have a physical form and i have powers

I think the next step is to be able to control where you land and I'm sure there must be a way because in near death experiences people dont end up being projected in random places, all NDE have in common that they are projected in the same place they're about to die but how

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>>42837281
>Worse than glowies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JavPI3Iw7LE&ra=m

>>42840966
Retards with the reading comprehension of a failing third grader are in fact worse than glories.
Ready to fight for what they think they just read.. while still needing someone to read it to them and explain.

The threads becomes a shit throwing match because they don't think anyone has any more ability than them.. and they have none.

Makes it pointless to contribute.

>>42841246
>reading comprehension
>retards

>glories
Glories lmao. Do you have reading and writing problems? Retarded perhaps?
Stop describing yourself. Stop causing fights that don’t exist becuase your made up version of things gets challenged. It’s easy.

>>42841465
Your only victories are those handed to you by autocorrect. You're probably actually dumb enough to feel like that's a genuine win.

You have a fixation, if not an assignment, to prevent disclosure of the capabilities that are natural to develop.

You have become vigilant retard, defender of normalized ineptitude.

If you are sitting at a desk at Eglin have your CO consider adding that to the patch on your arm.

>>42843013
What the fuck are you raving about,
Talk about the thread subject and stop ranting.
How many posts of this now? Stop looking for enemies.

>>42843013
See it’s like this

One anon may ask
>why when I project is the room always different?

One anon may answer
>it’s because it’s just a dream state and unstable. >Lucid dreams are like that. It’s just in your head, a dream.

Another anon may answer
>its because the extra dimensional entities in the plane above have changed things
Or maybe
>you project into a different place each time.

That sort of thing has happened in this thread. Now what happens is they then can discuss these viewpoints.

But not you,
No. You scream and screech and go crazy and try to shut down anytthing else with your terrible posts if anyone says your view (which is wrong by the way) is wrong.

So basically don’t be you. You should be someone else. Anyone else.

>>42843148
>>42843071
These are the shills that are present in every single thread on this subject. They are here to gatekeep the information.

If any real information is posted here they begin to rapidly post attacks from various random perspectives and arguments until the focus is difficult to establish for anyone who is reading.

Only the novice questions are tolerated and responded to as if they are helping.

Any effort to call them out and they join together for the attack.

They are here to prevent real information from reaching the public.

>>42843148
Suggests discussing the subject
>>42843190
Suggests not discussing the subject

Make it make sense. Why are you trying to shut discussion down?

Have you guys experienced encountering someone you were pretty close with in the past?
I just had something like that this morning, it felt like I was in a dream waiting for something, worried about something but dream like. Then suddenly I realized this person was like that, my exgf from 10+ years ago, and probably the one I was closest with.
In a moment I fell into her embrace and felt a huge relief, and immediately followed into making love, but then it didn't feel like a dream anymore, like we were melding together.
And then I woke obviously with all these overwhelming emotions.

is there a brute force way to experience this? only at the beginning of listening to binaurals i managed twice to get into the vibrational stage but i no longer can even reach that.

Aside from drugs, anyone can tell a surefire method to experience that? i give up trying to get the body sleep, mind awake, its just not gonna work because some cosmic nigger is mad at me and wants to make sure i dont gain understanding

>>42834119
>OOBPG
what is the "P"? Practice?

>>42848622
I was curious too, but had the previous thread pinned still, its "Phenomena"

>>42850054 #
>Steve Burk

Hmmmm

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>>42850157

>>42850170
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Burke_%28businessman%29

Oh here's still alive.

I thought he was some old dead boomer

Been getting lots of dreams lately, I wonder whats triggering it. Still didn't get much lucidity, tho I've been getting strong lingering vibrations.

>>42848569
>cosmic nigger

Isnt this the 'higher self'? I'm the same though. Looking for a surefire method. Ive been at this for years and nothing works. I still click out every time I try the gateway tapes. The Monroe Institute had an article on it saying its the higher self deciding we're not ready. Just seems a bit retarded for the higher self to let us find this shit but then decide we aren't ready for it

>>42850175
>>42850170
>Steve Burk
>Steve BurkE

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>>42850170
>>42850175

>>42852432
>>42850170
>>42850175
The legend knew so much about the county jail using OOB methods, they had to make a poster about it.

>>42845019
>Have you guys experienced encountering someone you were pretty close with in the past?
Yes, a few days ago, we were close friends for a couple years, haven't seen him in about a decade, we started a business together and went separate ways in anger. I was walking through a busy downtown area and he walked out of a building and headed in the direction I was going, parallel with me. I don't think he noticed me but I sped up and acted like I didn't see him and never looked back

>>42852490
I meant in the Astral, but good on you for being literal.

>>42852490
Why didn't you speak or interact with him? Was the angry breakup warranted after so long? Not trying to be combative; just curious.

>>42852167
>>42848569
Stop focusing on external bullshit. You don't need those tapes for anything.
There are countless of guides, start with Robert Bruce's Treatise on Astral Projection for example. You could probably pick up a random link and even that would be more helpful than your whining and kid like guessing about "higher self" which you don't seem to understand at all.