>>42836484
He's a complete joke.
Now he's pretty much in hiding unless some fellow fraud gives him at least 5 grand to speak

>>42836484
>he's a disinfo agent

No. He's just a lifetime long petty criminal. This was all for profit.

Is there anyone in the UFO disclosure community that you find credible? I can't think of one person.

>>42836880
>Is there anyone in the UFO disclosure community that you find credible?
Garry Nolan

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>>42836484
>About to get fired for having made up entire academic history
>LARP as a persecuted flying saucer researcher
>Da gubbermint erased muh school records
>Profit and obfuscate your otherwise humiliating downfall

This is probably closer to the truth

>>42837725
I know.

>>42837454
L. o. L. LaughinG. oUt. louD.

>>42836880
Nope, all a psyop.

>>42837742
>all a psyop.
To what end, do you figure? Is it just to distract from Epstein or is Epstein somehow connected and related?

>>42837750
dudes been active since like the 80s, so i dont think hes that kind of distraction.
hes literally just some guy

>>42836880
The ones who disappeared after disclosing, like Amy Eskridge. Anyone who's still living comfortably after supposedly sharing government secrets is full of shit.

>>42837750
flying saucers have been sighted at least since world war two. UFOs of various types have been sighted for all of recorded history. Epstein was born in 1953. Anyone who thinks the whole UFO phenomenon is a distraction from Epstein is a retard.

>>42837802
>Amy Eskridge
I'll give you that one. She had an interesting take on the P47s and P52s (greys are humans from the future).

>>42837802
You seem to overlook the fact that he is jewish.
This was why he got hired for the job and why he didn't get killed after it. His wife figured that he was probably cheating after he was not able to tell her what he was involved in that was taking so much time.. so naturally she started doing what women do. And then the surveillance of his job found out what she was doing and put restrictions on his security clearance until it was resolved.

They didn't tell him why so he started becoming concerned for his life and did what jews do; turned to his list of private jewish contacts to get a favor from a well positioned jewish friend. So he was able to network with other jews to take action behind the scenes and was able to make a public interview anonymously in an effort to create a public interest in case he was killed. He probably would have been anonymously whacked if he had not done this.

He later did the other thing that jews do and marketed his knowledge in various ways, a plastic model, interviews, merchandise.

The hell of all this is that he is the real deal as far as outsiders go towards getting access to the alien technology equipment.
You all seem to be unable to identify the truth, if you are not being paid to conceal it.

>>42836484
I think small minds discuss people

>>42836484
He looks like a character from Half-Life 2. Anyway, the answer isn't any technology. The UAP phenomenon is the most anti-scientific thing to exist because it deals with matters we can't measure, therefore sciencists will always dismiss it, and UAP proponents like Lazar who frame it as technology will look like lying fools. The real answer lies in spirituality. The ultraterrestrial theory gets it 99% right. We are dealing with dimension hoppers that try to pierce through the veil. They will never make sense physically or mathematically.

>>42836484
I don't care what you think te be H

>>42836484
Kurt Jaimongl ran rings around him asking him for physics specifics, it was hilarious.
Guy is a blatant grifter fraud.

I don't know why Knapp and Corbell trust him do much.

>>42838291
That's enough Dave, we know you're a fed glownegro

>>42836880
I think several of the investigative reporters are pretty trustworthy. Unfortunately they're not 1st hand source.

In a similar vein I don't think Tom Delonge has any malicious agenda, I just think he's being used by 1/2-2/3rds of the spooks he's in contact with.
Like one of them legitimately tried to feed him Atlantis as disinfo, like what the fuck.

>>42838291

from what i understand, kurts basic premise is that, what bob described, defies the known laws of physics. how is that running circles?

>>42838072
You seem to be unable to detect a real engineer from a larper. You can tell just by the way he speaks.

>>42838178
ok jaden smith lol

>>42838370
>Fed
>That many misspellings
They've really laxed the entrance exams

>>42839697
Because he asked for an explanation, Bob would go ooooooh well I don't want to bore your audience with highly technical theoretical physics (because he did zero research about the podcast before agreeing to the interview), Kurt very politely would go "no no please, bleeding edge fringe theoretical physics is the entire point of this podcast, by all means do go into all the nitty gritty details, we beg you." And then Lazar would double down, or deflect to a different topic, or otherwise try to dodge the question, and then Kurt wouldn't get shook by the distraction and pursue it again because it was literally the whole points he was invited on, basically for the entire back hour and a half of the two hour podcast until Lazar started getting aggressively defensive and accusative, still refusing to actually answer a single question with specifics in front of a chat of experts that could immediately call him out if he started trying to bullshit.

If he actually knew anything, anything at all, all he had to do was put out. As it turns out, he was completely unable to put his money where his mouth was.

i really dont understand how people can read about how snowden literally had to escape the USA and still believe grifters like lazar

>>42839977
>>42838291
>>42837725
My point about him being Jewish still stands.
If you have ever worked anywhere that you were in the presence of a mixture of competent and incompetent people you begin to see how the incompetent are propped up by the competent people and the incompetent outsiders can't tell the difference.
Teller got him in because he had received public awards for building a jet car propulsion system, and HE WAS JEWISH. The key is jews helping jews.
The fact that he was incompetent to be in the position would only have been observed by those who were actually competent themselves. Teller apparently didn't get into the specifics and left the evaluation to others. The internet was not what it is now. Not many people were going to catch a well presented bluff. He got in and was over his head but moderately useful as an assistant. Listen to him refer to the other person who he was working with. He just floated along like any other incompetent government employee until his wife screwed up his security clearance.
Incompetence in the workplace is what shapes corporate culture.
It is entirely plausible that he was involved even though not actually qualified. This kind of thing is actually useful towards keeping secrets. It is bill Murray eating your frys.. no one is going to believe you.

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>>42837809
I'm sorry, are you acting like mainstream media has been reporting on UFOs in earnest all this fucking time since 1953 and that I'm retarded for thinking they're using it as a dangling set of keys now in 2026? One being true doesn't make the other one false, windowlicker.

>>42839977

do you have a specific example? like, im curious. im not asking you to type a paragraph, although its appreciated. but a few simple words, to describe your specific example, will make it easier to search. id like to see, myself. keywords, would be good, for a search.

>>42840007
If you understand the various agencies it makes more sense.
Some of them are attempting to disappear from every trace of accountability. Some of them are themselves the mechanisms of accountability.
You can not directly compare them as if they are one size fits all.
If an agency is attempting erase every trace of their own existence they can't leave a bloody trail leading to nowhere. It's counterproductive to the cause.
In some agencies and departments they literally(figuratively)remain perched on your shoulder until you are dead.
I had a conversation with a woman in the va who was complaining about the team of three dark suited officials who literally stood between her and her husband at all times until he suddenly went into a coma and they abruptly left even before he was pronounced brain dead.
In other households the family member involved had kept his complete silence about his employment for decades until he was sick and near death.. and then he had quietly said to a family member that he had quote "worked on ufo's".

You are judging from what you know. I am judging from what I know.

In the location I am now sitting I had a conversation with a family member.. now deceased.. who was wearing his bdu's back in easter of 94.. and I had got him comfortable enough to talk about the deployment he had just returned from.
On his sleeve was a patch showing crossing rockets.. and he had just returned from installing a system of rockets around a single building in the new Mexico desert.
Blew his mind how much more defense was installed around the one facility.. more than 3 times the amount in place protecting the dfw metroplex with the military and defense industry facilities present in this area.

He said they had debriefed him by saying that the building had live alien beings inside. He hadn't seen anything for himself and said " if they were going to make something up they could have picked something easier to believe. "

There are many people experience

>>42840108
..with experience

>>42836484
he's the new well poisoning method since flat earth is no longer doing the trick.
once aliens became the hot topic a few years ago, he suddenly is everywhere, giving contrarian view points "it's not X but actually Y!" tier "info"
and then the average midwit who thinks he's the smartest man in the world on UFOs jerks off to him.
anyone who thinks that the government will EVER disclose possibly the largest information set that would change society as we know it, is a blithering retard.

>>42840108
>He said they had debriefed him by saying that the building had live alien beings inside. He hadn't seen anything for himself
so they told him there were aliens... even though he never saw them himself.
right, they would just freely disclose that information to someone who doesnt need to know that kind of stuff to do his job.
are you always this gullible?

>>42840108
The individuals involved in gathering the surveillance of the conversation would have been under more scrutiny than the guy sitting there in uniform blabbing his circumstances as if he never had heard the old ww2 slogans about loose lips and sinking ships.
Why? Because they are aware of exactly how and that the surveillance is being done. They know who has access, where stored, etc.

I'm not guessing. I've had several people mention this or that detail about the subjects across several decades now. People who were in position to not be guessing. I forget sometimes how disorienting it is for those who don't have a clue. It's not arrogance on my part. I fully understand that you have no idea who or what to believe.

My advice is that the concept of belief is a flawed concept. If you believe anything that is something that you do not know.
Keep investigating and exploring until you have certain knowledge and then keep digging trying to upend it. Real knowledge comes only after you have destroyed everything that you thought you knew over and over again with further discovery of truth. Real knowledge is the understanding that everything you currently think you know is subject to further revision. Knowing through experience what the process consists of as everything you thought you knew was destroyed gives you the readiness to ride the wave of destruction as the moment arrives again.
Life is learning.
Some people have cauterized their mind and are at no risk of ever suffering from new discovery.

>>42836484
He's a larger that likely got picked up by the disinfo people in order to keep on their agenda. I don't believe him for a second, and that faggot millenial area 52 sucks his cock more than Joe Rogan does, no pushback at all, just believing and hanging on every word. Having him in the same room as Travis Walton was a disgrace

>>42840183
See, from your perspective it's just a second hand story that you get to twist and malform within your imagination to fit into your preconceived notion of the world that you imagine to exist around you.

From my perspective it is one out of hundreds of encounters with individuals who had unusual events involving exclusive information. I am not in the same position as you. I got him talking because he had the same question.. Why would they do that?

You have your own imagination to rely on.
I have extensive experience with various aspects of this, much of which due to your own lack of experience will naturally seem absolutely incredible..

They did this because the beings are able to perceive thoughts.. even those of personnel standing thousands of meters away. This is probably not as obvious to someone who has no experience with remaining fully conscious while in the presence of the beings.. and their technology. Supposedly the ones in captivity would not have had access to any tools from their vehicle etc.
But what if they could interact with the consciousness of biological organisms in their vicinity?
There was a reason why they were told this. You not knowing what that reason could be has you assuming that no reason could exist.

Much of the details of the lazar account hold up in context of comparison with first person reports of others.
Time period matters. Much has changed in the governmental structures overseeing this over the decades.
You have to know the behind the scenes narrative of many major non public events to be able to follow along with the timeline.
People do fall through cracks on occasion.. outliers are everywhere

>>42840242
Tha Stupid people are gonna win, ain't they? They already know everything so it's a done deal.

>>42840268
https://youtu.be/Jl2356IOTrY

>>42837802
General McCasland in the same vein.

>>42838072
>>42840035
Who the fuck are you responding to?

Is this GPT4chan spitting gibberish to muddy up the thread? Are we getting too close to the truth again, had to rev up the clankers and get them spewing unrelated nonsense?

>>42840107
Hell I was going to link the entire ass "Theories of Everything" podcast episode on YouTube, but I can't even find it now.

>>42840309
Bob Lazar was never on Theories of Everything, you're thinking of Steven Greer that had a melty. Probably why you can't find the episode, you're searching the wrong name.

>>42840309
Obviously not trying to get through to a retard such as yourself ..who is limited to the concept that all intelligence must necessarily be artificial because you yourself have none.

>>42837730
Good evidence

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>>42836484
>>42836593
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>>42836484
The same old debunked obvious frauds from my childhood keep getting rolled out every decade or so for n00bs to bite on

Same with anti-vaxxer scumbags like "Dr." Tenpenny et al

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>>42836484
John Leer tried to use Ol Knappsack o crap to psyop normies first, but anyone with half a brain or has dealt with a pathological liar could see he was full of shit and only the "true believers" ate it up. So he (or his employers) found the lazer, a nerdy looking dude that had enough engineering backround to build a rocket car and no actual ties (that we know of) to the government and who was getting a divorce and down on his luck. They gave him a cool story, enough small incidental details to seem almost credible, took him to Knapp and they even took him out to area 51 to shoot a videotape with Leer. They let him run wild and sell tapes and as a psyop its strong enough people can still somehow watch a documentry by fecal waste incarnite Corbellend narrated by a bored or drunk Micky Rourke and still think hes legit. Cant say I blame him when hes just a normie that can sell drawings of a ufo he didnt even make up himself to supliment his income.

>>42840172
>he's the new

He did his first interview THIRTY SEVEN years ago.

Just as the intelligence community is a thing, so is the anti intelligence community.

Some of Y'all have yer heads irretrievably inserted. Nothing to be done. Situation terminal.

Not only wouldn't recognize truth, would fight against it.
Only other possible explanation is malicious disinformation.. but that would imply someone with a clue set you in motion

If life ever demands that you be useful your information handling skills will make you anti useful. Threat to self and others

>>42836484
Jeremy Corbell says Lazar is legit and completely dismissed aliens being demons on the GoyFiles. He's a jew, suspiciously successful artist and landlord so I believe him.

>>42841255
Only if you have fallen for jew lies are the concept of demons a reality.. and then only because the indoctrination is more important to you than reality.
They have installed fiction in your head as a joke, and as a harness.
If you can't escape from it the joke is all the more hilarious.

They don't share their history with outsiders because they don't want them to know how long they have been laughing

>>42836484
Why doesn’t he ever mention this again? Even Bigelow mentioned it on Rogan.
https://youtu.be/gqE10TWp61o

>>42838072
His backruptcy would have prevented him from getting a clearance for the job.

Love you, Bobby
keep your head up

>>42836880
Frank Scully
Arthur Luis Joquel II
George Van Tassel
George Adamski
Truman Betherum
John Otto
Harding Walsh
George Williamson
Alfred Bailey

>>42842119
Yeah because rules set up by jews to contain and control goyim would have prevented a high ranking jew from appointing another jew into a position most goyim would never know about. You really are not cut out for digging into truths not openly divulged.
As an involved jew since before the Manhattan project Teller was in a position of authority and he was responsible for the hire. He was in position to bend the rules that jews use against goyim.
[ How did the Rosenbergs get the atomic bomb technology and who exactly did they hand it over to? Stalin died under suspicious circumstances immediately after they transferred the technology. ]
Epstien was not qualified to be hired as a high-school teacher when the father of Bill Barr hired him as a high-school teacher. Before Donald Barr could be held accountable for the non qualified hire he had retired. He also wrote a book titled "space relations" about interplanetary child sex slavery. Yeah that's normal.
For a jew at least.. it is.

>>42841553
Consciousness is a bosonic field.

It's not just container of the biological materials but of the structure of the "empty" material space that that the biologics exist within.. and the energetic informational data of consciousness itself
The 65 adjustments of the collective bosonic field array of humanity are relevant to the effects you are perceiving at the physical level as crop circles.
The crop imagery is actually being projected to the bosonic field foundations of the entire apparently physical universe though the relationship of the Higgs value to the resonating value in the DNA of the plants.
There's a lot more to it.

he's controlled disclosure, by that i mean the very narrative he pushes will be tainted by lies and fearmongering.

>>42836484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zopCyWOhvYM

watch this video from 8:27
dude was just a con who saw a new opportunity

>>42843001
How do you know?
If you can't give a clear tangible answer then your own post is a narrative tainted by lies and fear mongering.

>>42843142
grey aliens are the host of heaven, they are the ones with whom god lamented how human has become more like them when adam and eve were expelled from paradise. and yes, this also means that god is real, bible is real and christianity is the only true religion.

>>42843160
So you have second hand dogmatic rhetoric and nothing else?

>>42841219

while this is a little harsh, i agree. these boards have severely degraded.

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>>42838205
>therefore sciencists will always dismiss it
Why? If it is inconvenient for science, then such science must be reformed. If it's inconvenient for the status quo, then it should be reimagined.
>We are dealing with dimension hoppers that try to pierce through the veil
Yeah, I figured. All the more reason to take it all seriously since they're piercing the veil successfully.

>>42836484
Has he ever given a detailed explanation about how the flying discs work? Other than "it distorts gravity" Okay, how?

>aliens are real!
>great,lets stay building houses,water pumps,food farms and hospitals on africa,lets make the ayy lmaos real happy!

thread reminder that the alien belief doenst survive the africa test

>>42836880
there are traces of truth, but most of it is obfuscation. You should disregard them all.
The truth is that there are aliens out there and they can be contacted.
People have been doing this for milennia.
Experiencers are forgotten while glowniggers prowl the Internet feeding us lies

>>42841219

i cant tell if you a lazar shill or hater because both fit on your post kek

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller

Truth is available to those who have adequate insight to access it.

>>42840007
Good point, I think there are a few differences. First would be the time period in the 80's. It's easier to cover up a disclosure before the internet, so they probably just went the discredit route instead of the imprison and silence route. Second was Snowden needed to deliver the documents to the Chinese and Russians personally. Lazar's was an act of disclosure to the American public. Snowden's act was straight up treason and espionage. Also, for Snowden, the documents were full disclosure and you can't really discredit Snowden or try to bury the story. With Lazar, no one really took him seriously until the last 10 years or so. He was basically a fringe quack until the Nimitz tapes were released and the Pentagon began declassifying videos that supported his story. Also, the fact that he alerted the media probably kept him alive. Murdering a dude that talked to the media would have probably made the story more credible at the time.

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>>42844290
Yeah. But he doesn't think it's "gravity" that makes the thing work, he suspects it's something else entirely. tl;dr: two configurations, delta and omicron? I can't remember. Delta configuration is all three emitters engaged and triangulating on a specific destination for the craft. This is what he suspects is used for deep space movement. Omicron or Omega or whatever the other configuration is called is when only a single emitter is engaged to facilitate "local" movement. Essentially it's not "propulsion" so much as it's warping space so that the craft gets "sucked into it." I can't remember if it was him or someone else, but supposedly the glowing that occurs for many UFO sightings is caused by our atmosphere getting sucked into the craft's field.

>>42845221

lazar probably has something they want, or some sort of deadman switch they dont want going off. joy is probably his handler.

like you said, the latest ufo videos can be deciphered, using the logic brought forth by lazar, in the past. so many little details that have been proven right. hes never tried to monetize it, or become famous from it. his account, even fits within the woo-woo canon. most attacks on him, or anyone related dont try to deny the facts, but try to attack their character. its an old technique. like, im sure youll find things wrong with him, hes probably far from perfect, but hes just a guy, trying to speak up. became targeted individual, then victim to gangstalking. but time has been kind to him, as more things get inadvertently proven.

>>42845265
You got the stages wrong but the concept right. Omicron was the space travel stage and I would presume that came from the aliens themselves in their info exchanges. That part is the weakest part of his story, imo. And the glowing around the craft comes from high voltage DC. I'd explain how I think it works but I don't want to help the glowniggers datamining this thread. I'm pretty sure we've figured out the three anti-gravity emitter thing and this is used on the TR3B, but I doubt we've figured out the small wormhole thing.

>>42845293
>lazar probably has something they want, or some sort of deadman switch
The truth is almost always weirder than we realize. I kind of think Lazar is an alien troll. I'm split on him. Some of the shit he says makes sense and some of his details don't add up. Stuff like stable, non-radioactive element 115 or the government trying to kill him but somehow didn't? It seems to be pretty easy to just whack him and shut him up. The government flights to Area 51, existence of S4, and flight schedule and videos are hard to make up and he seems sincere, but my spidey sense tells me there is some bullshit afoot. Only thing that sort of explains it to me is that our government wanted him dead but couldn't, for some reason, kill him. In my mind, it's the aliens dumping a bunch of technical shit on our doorstep and laughing at us because we can't figure it out and then putting on a skin suit and trolling us with Lazar.

>>42843211
the grey contacted by aleister crowley already said that they used to be known as angels and demons.

>>42843503
>then such science must be reformed.
They won't. Governments aren't going to start funding mystics and spiritual movements. There is no money to be made in something that cannot be easily converted to material gains here on Earth. They love those autistic scientist types who are all about empiricism. That's why they dominate the discussion and gatekeep anybody who doesn't pass their standards.

I read an interesting theory about this guy, but I lost the website. It shouldn't be hard to find, though, for anyone who's interested.
It has to do with plasma that, under certain conditions in the upper atmosphere or in space, can maintain its physical integrity and, from there, respond to magnetic fields in a way that makes it seem as if it were alive, moving in response to stimuli like bacteria. These plasmas can easily be mistaken for flying saucers. For more information, look for:
>Extraterrestrial Life in the Thermosphere:
Plasmas, UAP, Pre-Life, Fourth State of Matter

I won't go into detail here because I don't remember the specifics, but basically, Lazar had limited access to an area where the government was conducting tests with technologies that, as a side effect, might end up attracting these "plasmas", which, to onlookers, looked as if they were summoning UFOs from space or something like that.
Lazar was fascinated by this and called friends over, telling them they would see UFOs, but in the process, he ended up bringing outsiders in to witness secret experiments.
That's when he made up the stories about UFOs and conspiracies, and the website explained in detail why this would keep him out of prison.

>>42837809
>since world war two
Huh i wonder who took over global media companies right around that time

>>42845221

brother if you are leaking real stuff either you end on a high security prison or on a ditch kek theres no playing around with the USA secrets
if you believe this guy you are actually daft

>>42836484
>Bob Lazar
He's jewish and being deceitful larpers is part of their culture.

>>42845293
>>42845221
Because he was jewish he had a friend who was a lawyer who had a friend in media.

Jews have a thing that they do after graduation; they travel to every other section of the geographical area that has jews to meet with the other jews who just graduated. They fill in their own private little black book of personal contacts. For the rest of their lives they will turn to these other jews to network together for power over outsiders. They start well connected and already organized against the non jew outsiders.

How quickly could you get into the public domain with an anonymous video interview telling you own story? He did it in secret and quicker than the surveillance teams could respond to. They aired the video of the interview before the surveillance operation had a chance to react to it, then suddenly it went on live television and it was clear that if he suddenly died it would strongly support the public story.

If the 9 disc vehicles were still being stored at area s4 then they would have wanted to keep it as quiet as possible until at least after the vehicles had been relocated.
His death at the time after he first went public would have brought large amounts of attention towards the facilities he had claimed to work at.

What is interesting is that they left him alone to live out his life. They do that sometimes even when it's a shock to the person they are leaving alive. They could have killed him easily but there's several reasons why they might not.
He had been in direct contact with the material technology of the beings. How would you know what that equipment is capable of? Maybe functions of the equipment were still being investigated that made it relevant to keep him alive, either because of his previous participation in the research or perhaps due to effects that the equipment may have had on him. How can you assume to know what the policies and reasons are for an agency that is responsible for investigation of alien tech?

>>42845535
I feel like if we figured out the interstellar/wormhole bit the black projects would be losing their shit sending out missions to exploit it, so I find that credible.

Also good point about glowies, I'd forgotten they exist for a moment because they're so good at being compromised and apparently useless.

>>42836484
>he's a larper

Whitley Strieber started this whole "non-fiction science fiction" genre with his book about aliens. Bob is just utilizing the same genre/method. Despite me being a hater of liars, I actually don't hate this. It's pretty clever you see. It gives science/science fiction lovers like Bob a unique method of exploring ideas. By presenting science fiction as non-fiction, people take it more seriously, get more engaged, think more about it. It is an idea that is plausible to begin with. So it's sort of a fire drill type deal.

By the way I think most people actually use the same tactic, but I've never heard anyone else say it. For example with religion: People understand (without admitting it) that let's say God isn't a part of this world. They'll make claims about what God wants, they'll read it as a story, and understand it's different from reality, but they won't say that, because they non-fictioned it.

>>42849033
>>42847480

People like to pretend that they have knowledge when all they really have is belief.
Belief is not knowledge.
At best it is an incomplete guess, more typically it is completely inaccurate.. due to error or deception.
Knowledge exists but those who don't have it don't recognize it.

It becomes a frustration if you have expectations or hopes that those who do not have knowledge will ever seek for it.
They are usually fighting against part or all of the foundations of the truth that will overturn their currently held beliefs.

Belief is a flawed concept.
It is best to be avoided entirely.

They will say " I think " when in reality they have entirely failed to.

>>42836597
one day people will realize that about our president

>>42849287
You epitomize the point here
>>42849266
It is as if you think you understand, as if you have a clue, and are well informed.
You have no clue how much information you are lacking, so you imagine that there is nothing that you don't already know.
Makes the world appear to be very simple.
>>42843409
Not harsh enough.. by far
>>42844457
Can't find the truth to give you guidance and bias?

>>42836484
>He never explains things in depth
I don't believe him. He is a grifter but if he explains things - in case he wasn't a grifter - you won't get it anyway. Reddit and debunkers will say it's fake because MUH LE SCIENCE. And you will believe that explanation because Saint Scientists say it.

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>>42837994
>>42840309
>trusting women with anything

LOL she was an alcoholic and mentally unstable and she sucked

>>42849440
The expectation that he would be able to explain is a preconceived notion.
How would he have a clue? He was not a team leader. He was just a lucky jew with a secret high paying job.. that he got because he was a jew.
They were trying to reverse engineer the technology before he got there. An explosion killed some people and created the job opening. He has limited knowledge but that doesn't mean he was not working with them involved in the effort.
They told him everything he knows about. He didn't figure it out himself. It's stupid to get hung up on asking him highly technical questions that he would only be able to recite what they told him about.

>>42849033

arthur c clarke started writing alien/ufo stories right after WW2
that dude was so shady and was glowing so much he even became kubrick friend
believing in aliens is believing in tales of the cold war

>>42845976 Aren't they using their psionic assets to summon UAPs though? If that's true then they won't get a choice.

>>42849688
Waking up with alien beings in your house is the definitive version of the disclosure question.
You suddenly no longer have to wonder.
And then when they deliberately put the ship in plain view the following day it drives the point home.
Suddenly you see what the other humans are not able to.
You see how defeated and incapable the humans are.
They imagine they have a clue while they remain in trance during their own routine visits with the beings

>>42836880
I don’t trust anyone who talk about having secret government info, and can’t share it cause “non disclosure agreement”

>>42845976
>They won't. Governments aren't going to start funding mystics and spiritual movements
They did during Project Stargate. But generally speaking, you are talking about a bunch of math teacher like personalities trying to embrace the esoteric, and that isn't happening.

>>42849957
The problem with this statement is that everyone that would ostensibly work on UFOs would have to sign an NDA, so then you wouldn't trust any kind of disclosure in any form.

>>42849266
>People like to pretend that they have knowledge when all they really have is belief.
It's embedded into the English language as well. People say things like "You're afraid", like they know for a fact what others are feeling. Some languages make that kind of thing ungrammatical.

>>42849957

because is all bullshit
the fact lazar was never silenced is proof what he is saying is so whimsical and far away from the truth they never bothered
why would they?
people talk about area 51 like a alien base,not like a military complex base,thats the best case scenario

>>42852086
Playing Devil's Advocate, why would you need to silence him? At the time in the laye 80's, no one believed him. This was before the internet and before the declassified UAP videos. And a lot of his info checked out a few decades later. He had access to some kind of info, somehow.

>>42852213

so you are saying him having a "accident"would be easier back then before he became known worldwide?kek
is almost like the inteligence agencies saw a looney saying dumb shit for attention

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>>42836880
I personally think Richard Doty has dropped a few nuggets of truth along the way. Hard to tell exactly what though because he has also told heaps of lies.

he was duped
what he saw in his mind was real, but it was all kabuki theater. the black ops mutts made a whole set with le ayy lmao craft and whatnot for this faggot to buy and then spread to the world. this would make chinkoids and russtards think twice about invading le america if they had some secret ayy lmao tech

>>42839449
Tom "I can't talk about that " Delonge
Lul

>>42852289
>so you are saying him having a "accident"would be easier back then before he became known worldwide
No, I'm saying it would have been unnecessary to kill him because everyone thought he was a lunatic anyway. And he was talking to the press, you have two options: (1) kill him and the story becomes bigger and more legit or (2) just let people think he's a nutjob. Personally, I think he was part of a Mossad intelligence ring that used prostitutes to gather info from people that worked at S4 and Area 51 (he was literally convicted of this) and everything he revealed was second-hand info gathered from the prostitutes, but the fact he wasn't killed isn't really proof of anything.

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>>42852877
Sequence of events in correct order makes more sense. He was probably not approached by mossad, to do epstiens type of work, until after he had been forced by his situation to go public.
He would have known where go and who they could approach only after he held the job for a while.
He obviously had some unusual things going on. >>42852941

It seems comically bizarre that so many people are posting opinions that are stereotypical propaganda misrepresentation of the events. If you were paying attention to this story as it happened through the years there was a lot of detail that these oversimplifications don't account for.

Either the effort to dumb down the public sector has been remarkably successful, or there are several disinformation agendas being executed by third tier glowing tools posting in this thread.

>>42836484
I trust bob
I don't trust anonymous shitposters.

>>42852996
>He was probably not approached by mossad, to do epstiens type of work, until after he had been forced by his situation to go public.
I don't know if it was Mossad, but it was some kind of intelligence gathering operation. He was convicted of pandering to a prostitution ring, which he plead down from more serious charges of basically being a pimp. Some of his story seems like bullshit, but he did hit on some key details. To me, it would make sense that he was a agent of some foreign government and he was working with the women to figure out what was going on inside Area 51. It would explain why his details were accurate-ish because he wasn't the one inside S4, but his prostitution ring was able to piece together what was going on by fucking dudes employed there. Regardless, I don't think our government had anything to gain from killing him, and if he was Mossad, the U.S. was probably prevented from killing him anyway.

>>42853538
You seem to think he was never there at area s4. I think he gives enough details to be reasonably certain that he was. There were many interviews over the years. The earlier ones gave a lot of information that would have been very difficult to explain away through anything other than him having direct observation.

>>42853374

>i trust the looney who ignores how the kuiper belt works!

alien believers always so proud on being retarded

>>42853585
I actually believe in aliens in some abstract, Fermi Paradox sort of way, but Bob Lazar and these types of liars really muddy the waters. Purposefully so, according to Richard Doty.


I personally think most (if not all) of the UAP stuff released by the Pentagon is an anti-China psyop.

>>42853605
Belief ain't worth much.
Experience doesn't require belief

Belief is a choice to quit investigating in favor of a favored guess.
Direct experience doesn't care what you want to believe.

>>42853764

what direct experience?
seeing something in the sky stopped being special since planes became thing

>>42853817
Waking up with the beings in your home for starters.. then clearly seeing the disc shaped vehicles the following days.
Then spending several years with this, and more, as normal.
Disclosure is available to the humans who are qualified to deal with it.
The rest remain in a trance during the visits.

>>42853565
>You seem to think he was never there at area s4
I don't think he was there. I think he ran a really good intelligence ring and the women he worked with were great at asking and answering questions. The guys that worked at S4 are a bunch of math nerds and the only thing cool about them is the one thing they can't talk about. Put a big set of titties in front of these nerds and I'd imagine they'd vomit information. I think Lazar just assembled the information into a coherent description. I don't think Dennis was his co-worker. I think Dennis was his main target and information provider.

>>42853605
>I personally think most (if not all) of the UAP stuff released by the Pentagon is an anti-China psyop
How is it anti-China?

Most of you faggots are too stupid to either endorse OR debunk Bob Lazar. You don't even understand high school physics or basic mathematics.

Half of you think that the synthesis of Element-115, (Moscovium), PROVES Bob Lazar right.

Half of you think that the fact the Element-115 was actually synthesised and didn't float off the table due to anti-gravity proves he's full of shit.

And yet another half of you who don't understand what an isotope is, (including Corbell and Rogan), are just plain dirt-retarded, and unqualified to know either way.

>>42841553
This is the yellow book, though Linda Howe has exaggerated the details of the holograms

>>42856487
>And yet another half of you who don't understand what an isotope is, (including Corbell and Rogan)
You forgot to include Lazar in that group.

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So I've been working on an AI 'muh debate assistant', but obviously don't want it acting like a plebbit homo and shouting 'muh logical fallacy!' just because you happened to call some faggot a faggot while you were legit telling them why they're wrong. I'd also like it to do simple fact checks where possible, without it being a total sperg about that either.

The idea is not to get it to decide the debate for you, just make it more human readable.

I've been using this thread to conduct tests and it generates a HTML file so it can colour code text and add hover annotations so the thread isn't totally shitted up. Obviously I can't upload a HTML here, and you'd be retarded to click on it even if I did, but here are some PNG samples if you're interested.

The goal is to grey out rhetoric that doesn't make any actual argument in terms of getting to the truth, but not sperging out about it, and just pointing out shit that is mere assertion or outright bullshit.

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>>42858761
This Element-115 shit never fails to annoy me in Lazar threads since most fags don't understand the 'muh science' involved at all, on both sides.

>>42856487

the thing that proves lazar wrong is the fact hes free and not in a high security prison

>>42858840
Well at least with the colour coding you can see where points of actual contention are, and can avoid discussing who called who a 'poopy pants' instead.

The AI coincidentally provided some counterexamples of why that's an argument doesn't hold water.

>"If he really disclosed government secrets he'd be in a high-security prison" assumes imprisonment is a necessary consequence of genuine disclosure. It isn't.

>Snowden fled the country and remains free. Daniel Ellsberg disclosed the Pentagon Papers and never went to prison because his case collapsed. Thomas Drake was prosecuted for mishandling classified information and ultimately received probation. Other genuine leaks have resulted in prison, administrative punishment, loss of clearance, exile, or effectively nothing.

>So Lazar being free proves fuck-all either way.

>At most you can ask: if his story is genuine, why was there apparently so little visible retaliation? That's a legitimate question. "He's free, therefore he's lying" is not a legitimate answer to it.

>And in Lazar's particular case there is an additional possibility: if the government's preferred position is "this guy is full of shit and S-4 doesn't exist," publicly prosecuting him for revealing S-4 secrets would be a fairly innovative way of confirming his story.
AI-generated

Certainly a debatable point. Just a hard one to get any solid grip on, so not a slam dunk. Your mileage may vary in terms of what you personally believe, but in terms of convincing anyone else, that's the problem.

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>>42858869
Coincidentally, AladdinHeCanBeTaught.jpg

Like I said, the last thing anyone needs is to create an AI plebbit mod to stifles normal human conversation. So going to great pains to get this thing to play around in the muck with us instead of trying to police jokes and speech.

>>42858869

snowden is "free" because russia protects him,not because USA gave up kek that AI is retarded

>>42858918
AI response:
>Snowden is a weak counterexample: he fled U.S. jurisdiction and the U.S. actively tried to prosecute him, so his case actually shows substantial retaliation.
>And with a secret as enormous as Lazar alleges—recovered extraterrestrial craft and reverse-engineering technology—the absence of obvious imprisonment, disappearance, or some staged “accident” is legitimate evidence against his story. You would reasonably expect extraordinary efforts to contain a genuinely extraordinary leak.
>But it still isn't proof. Killing him could authenticate and amplify his claims, prosecution could require acknowledging sensitive facts, and intelligence services have options besides prison or murder. So:
>“Why wasn't Lazar silenced?” = strong, legitimate credibility question.
>“Lazar is free, therefore he is lying.” = invalid inference.

>That distinction is exactly what the colour system is supposed to preserve.

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>>42849539
>assassinates her character instead of her claims or main points of disclosure
Ok man.

>>42836880
It’s 100% a CIA/Mossad op. To be clear, not everyone involved is even aware of that fact. Agents are promoted, manipulated, or buried as needed.

>>42859011
it seems crazy until you realize all this hidden technology is so interlocked with reality that if you learn a tiny piece of it, the continuum of logic will make the whole thing visible all the way to explaining consciousness. hence, it is now illegal to know anything about anything, so eat your goy slop and only embrace prescribed formulas of thinking, which will be enforced at every avenue, en masse. you could even argue that this is why they (RCA / the military btw) created television as we know it. it was around before that, but was formalized after ww2 into the propaganda machine that is only now in its death throws. oh, and look, now everyone is getting wise to the game. coincidence?

i think not.

>>42836880
ashton.

If you believe lazar after his "OUCH OUCH OUCH my migraines!"interview with rogan you are actually a lost cause

The reality is probably that Lazar was not told the full details of how the material was made stabilized. The actual physical material he observed was probably produced by quantum precision assembly of the individual atoms to be interlocked in a metallic crystalline lattice that resists the natural tendency to unravel in atomic decomposition.

>>42837725
Plausible

>>42859025
Highly plausible

https://libraryofrickandria.com/lazar/

>>42859139
People who say this shit don't know shit about Lazar, and that he'd addressed the same questions a million times before. He was not dodging anything and went on to answer the questions he got after momentarily losing his train of thought. This is consistent with his tendency to speak in a way that is not sloppy or ambiguous. He has always been precise in what he says.

Pull the transcript and show me him avoiding questions using the migraine as an excuse, I dare you - I double-dare you motherfucker.