Death is a lot like sleeping, when you die you wake up into a dream. An ideal world, you can be almost anything and go anywhere. You can relive your life or go to that heaven you so desperately want. Anything show, movie, game, comic book, scenario. Don’t be retarded and bitch, I’m telling you; you get to go to heaven. You can create your own ideal world!
>>42837000>You can create your own ideal world!And you can do that on Earth
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>>42837739Not really anon.>>42837821>>42837818Interesting, thank you(?)
>>42837818>>42837821ai slop
>>42837000>>42837000>Anything show, movie, game, comic book, scenario.This is false, if that was true, people wouldn't incarnate here.Being born here is the only way to experience the game of chess, and I mention it specifically because there's some grand masters in the past that get reborn here and get the talent from an early age because they've studied the game for years in so many lives before it becomes the point of their existence.You won't even find a chess opponent after death, it's like finding one in a lucid dream. Go and try it!Lucid dreams are a fractal, you can wake up and remember dreaming with that juicy burger, it won't be the same as the one you taste in the physical world. Guys having lucid dream sex can't even keep the girl consistent, she flickers and becomes a different girl, they don't mind as they're all beautiful, and the feelings may be more pleasing than real life, but they wake up wishing they have a gf.You can dream that you won a chess game, but you won't be able to remember the moves, or the positions were nonsensical.And that's the reason people keep coming here, experiences that require a body to be felt, and to remember them.
>>42840821Has the thought crossed your mind that those ideas and concepts didn’t exist until now? And that we needed this experience to discover said ideas and concepts? Also, my dreams are always vivid and vaguely lucid. I’ve had sex in dreams or been in sexual encounters in them and the women have never “flickered” or “changed”, that sounds like a “you” problem desu. As for food, the taste always fades by the time I wake up, my dreams are so vivid I don’t even know I’m in a dream dude. And as of late they’ve only gotten more vivid.
>>42840867>I’ve had sex in dreams or been in sexual encounters in them and the women have never “flickered” or “changed”, that sounds like a “you” problem desuThat's the nature of memory, since there's continuity, and you've been touching her all this time without ever seeing another woman taking her place, when you look at her face, you assume she always had the same face from the start, your memories change to fit what you expect.Research the videos what show this in action, people are talking with a police man, and shortly after they're covered, and uncovered, and he's a different policeman, but they continue talking as if nothing happened, because their memory replaces the original one with the new one, that's how dreams work.How vivid a dream is is irrelevant, what matters is how lucid it is, because the lucidity is what allows you to control it, in the same way you expect your perception to be controlled after death.Try this on your next dream, open a book, and see what's in there, it'll usually be a drawing, now, keep your fingers on that page and examine another one. Then, go to the page where your fingers are.The picture will be different, and you won't be able to find it again, it existed briefly, because dreams are completely fluid, just like your experiences after death, you can't live the adventure you dream of because you can't even ride a horse and get there, when you arrive it'll be a different horse and your memory will replace the original one with the current one, because the original one will have been forgotten, just like dreams you can't remember anymore.
>>42837000playing every halo 1-3 lvl irl then
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>>42841039I can’t take your comments seriously, you’re just another example of a retard trying to explain a way another’s experience. “It never happened to me so it must not be true” but see thats the funny thing anon, I’ve filled up three dream journals and I’ve moved on to keeping a digital one that has, let me check…. Exactly 90 entries! I wrote them down as soon as I wake up so theres no shot my memory “just does something”…. Now what I’m about to say isn’t no assumption, you’re a fucking idiot when it ones to others having experiences. Because the women I see in my dreams are women thatI actually know in person. One is no longer with us and she’s often in my dreams. She was someone I deeply cared about.>>42841070I’llleave it to you then
>>42841039Also I’ve opened books in my dreams that had writing, though to be honest I haven’t dreamed about a book in a while.
>>42841335>>42841335>One is no longer with us and she’s often in my dreams.Ah, well, this is an anchor we can work with. Dream with her and ask her what she's been doing in this death of her that is like a dream, what heaven she has created for herself.Let's see, because her answer will surprise you...
>>42841351Yes, the relevant part is that what you read in a page of a book in a dream will change, its contents are ephemeral, you have to purposely try this, search for a book, read its first page, read the second one, go back to the first page, its contents will be different.And it's the same after death, you can't even have a book with a first page that remains the same.
>>42837000>You can create your own ideal world!That is exactly the temptation that samsara offers.You already DID this, and you didnt like and you went deeper into someone else's universe and now you are trapped.WHY would you want to do it again???
>>42837000what if i never played that game or watched that movie or met the love of my life?you can't simulate/imagine something you never encountered. >being trapped inside your own imaginationhellish
>>42837818>>42837821>imprisoned in your own mind forevef>this is a good thing!
>>42841808>being trapped inside your own imaginationi hope i fucking will forever
>>42841592We’re at a disagreement, I think the reality we’re in is a shared one thats been hijacked. I believe this reality served its purpose still, we keep coming back for the experience we lack and in doing so get fed off of by whats essentially cosmic bed bugs. Though these cosmic bed bugs are the same as us, they just took a darker path. I’ve avoided using the term Archons because one auto thinks of the gnostics, the gnostics were simultaneously right but very wrong. Anyways, like I said this reality served and still serves its purpose, we’re approaching a critical moment a sort of expunging and cleansing. From the human perspective it’ll be apocalyptic, could be man kade or it could be some other phenomena. Personally I don’t understand why things cant be as simple as we want them too, maybe things used to be and then someone meddled.
>>42841817every negative thought you could ever have is made into reality... fuck
>>42841817I don’t get why people fear imagination so much and think it’s evil, is t a byproduct of religion that they do so? Our imagination is the most beautiful and powerful gift we got, and without it reality is dull and gray and gay.
>>42841825every positive one too + i do not polarize my thoughts i'm too creative, the situation would only open infinite possibilities forever and ever so not my problem
>>42841832You get it
>>42840821You don't go literally to a dream retard. You go to a place LIKE a dream, the idea being that it just works and doesn't require an actual entire mechanical existence for every part and piece.
>>42841837i do not ear that often lol thanks fren
>>42841831I think its the biggest pysop of all time. I always imagine some kind of rockstar drugged up celebrity pointing at their head going "its crazey in their man you can't go in there" and people start to believe it. They believe that the mind is a scray uncontrollable place filled with all sorts of impulsive dangerous thoughts when its not that at all. I think its all a huge con to make people desire the physical world more then ever, because the simple implication of anything not physical means that its connected to thoughts and that's scary and bad.
>>42841838You REALLY get it, maybe I should have clarified that in my original post. My apologies! (Nta btdubs, I am OP though).
>>42841819>thats been hijackedNo, the times its been hijacked it works better.>we keep coming backSo you DO agree, and you are admitting it is your impetus to come here.Exactly what I said.>why things cant be as simple as we want them toThey are.Including you externalizing everything and looking for an enemy to fight.
"Trapped" like the addict that wants the next dose, like an alcoholic seeking the next beer, like a smoker that has consumed 19 cigarettes and can't do anything but smoke the last one, without realizing there will always be another one.Nobody is trapping you, but yourself.
>>42841844I agree to an extent, I knew people who snapped and self harmed so to an extent a person can lose control. Mae they’re afraid they’ll continue on with their negative thoughts and compulsions. But, something I actually agree with spiritualist is that, while we’re here we have a very limited view but without a physical body we expand more freely. A person cant comprehend why they would come back but after that expansion you may remember a certain interaction, a feeling, a experience, and you may want to come back, so you have more to take with you to work with. I think lucidity also plays a role. I could go on for ages but I need sleep and it’s 4:44.
>>42837000>when you die you wake up into a dream...Later in the thread.>Except it's nothing like a dream!I guess you really messed up and need a new thread where you don't contradict yourself.
>>42837000>Death is a lot like sleeping, when you die you wake up into a dream. Not at all. A dream is more like a screensaver.
>>42840867Anon having sex with shapeshifter demons. Nice
>>42841987If Barkon could only see his Son snecko. I wish he was still with us.
>>42841990What lives in memory of the living lives eternally until forgotten
>>42842001:'( I want Barkon back
>>42841811Better than the Earth samsara shithole matrix where satanic bohemian grove pedophiles rape and eat children in underground tunnels and private islands
>>42837818>>42837821Unbelievably based. Problem is, if you don't meditate and overcome and integrate the dark night of the soul, you manifest nightmares and demons. Gotta achieve samadhi for these kinda dreams fr fr no cap
Just had a nightmare that I was almost sacrificed by a cult, felt targeted :/
>>42837818I think dream is misleading as people will compare it to the way we dream now which is blurry and vague. But the premise is 100% true. You can literally get whatever you want, you can reincarnate to another life or just hang out in your fantasy. Only issue is you got a bunch of people that think the fantasy mode isn't the best way to exist and insist on not doing it forever. They aren't evil or trying to pull you into some conspiracy, they just have different opinions on existence.Think of it like a video game. You want to play your heavily modded cheats enabled silly sandbox game, but there other group say that you didn't beat the game and have to play it properly on super extreme no meta knowledge hardcore all or nothing mode for it to mean anything. At the end of the day the choice is yours, and no choice is permanent either.
I’m curious to Wants after this, I want a mashup universe. When I first started this oath I wanted a forest.
>>42842918>you can reincarnate to another life or just hang out in your fantasy.The problem with a fantasy is that you're living it alone. You can go and save a princess from a boss in a castle, but the boss and the princess are like dream characters that pretend, they don't see you or perceive you, they just act as if. To really save a princess you have to incarnate in a real world.You almost got the video game analogy right, but it's not about that, most video games mimic the fantasy, when we beat them as a kid it was a solo experience we knew it was a world of NPCs and nothing was real, but we suspended our disbelief and it was fun.No, the problem, what is missing, is the multiplayer aspect, the group doesn't care if you use cheats to beat your video game, it's about you not playing with them.Your harem on the fantasy? It's like a simulator where virtual girls appear and you can feel whatever they make you feel, but they're not real and don't feel you, they don't exist so all orgasms are as fake as the ones from girls you dream about. There's nobody yet.I bring chess again, it's like getting a chessboard and you can play with yourself endlessly from both sides and setting up any pieces in any configuration, but you can't play with someone else that is real like you.The only way to have real sex with someone and knowing how good are you at satisfying them is to incarnate here and get a body to engage with someone else with a body, the rest is practice for the real thing.
>>42843810Nta but what you’re not seeing is that’s a choice, theres no right or wrong here. The fantasy aspect isn’t inherently bad and let’s say your right about the generated characters, thats still our choice. I’d go as far to say that what you’re calling NPC’s can in fat feel because what you create is just an extension of yourself. I love that we’re having this debate but you need to be open to both sides.
>>4284393>fat*fact
>>42843935So why did you come here and got born into the physical world instead of remaining in your post-death fantasies, eh? If you claim they were good enough and you didn't need to interact with real people?
>You can create your own ideal world!This is an option in the afterlife, but not its entire structure.The real afterlife, for those with a properly spiraling Sentience, is much more extensive.You can meet other people in the afterlife, and have them experience the worlds you create. So, yes, you can do almost anything you want, within certain operational parameters, but what you do instead is essentially go on forever, in a reality that is constantly generating novel phenomenon, that you cannot control in the same way you could an idealized, artificial world.That is what's offered to you when your Sentience hits an Eternal Left Spiral.However, if your Sentience hits an Eternal Right Spiral, your Karmic Spin reaches an infinitely negative value, meaning that you no longer have a selfless component to your soul. You are entirely selfish, and therefore fundamentally incapable of experiencing love in reality.Your character begins to deteriorate irreversibly, and one of the many fates that await you is being tortured in extremely sophisticated ways by those who with an Eternal Left Spiral, who are privileged to do so without guilt attached because torturing a being that lacks a selfless component is not something that instantiates a valid empathic connection.So, make correct, moral decisions within the context in which your allowed.It's perfectly fine to hit a point where you behave in ways that operates outside the constraints of conventional morality, but love inherently has a selfless component, and is therefore a moral absolute.So, take that into account, or I will straight up kill the fucking bunny.
>>42845171This is a narrative to keep people being a sheep, and it doesn't make any sense:>Noooo! Don't become a wolf because then the other wolves will torture you! Just remain a sheep, the path of the sheep will allow you to create world other sheep can enjoy with you.???Luckily, existence is a fractal, the Eternal Right Spiral ends with you becoming a demiurge that creates any physical reality, but setting the rules that you want, and groups of oversouls will want to visit it instead of this one. But that's not convenient for the one of this one, so that path looks like the worst decision you could make, so it needs to look like the scariest thing.When in reality, you want to become the strongest wolf.
>>42845057You clearly haven’t taken in anything you read in today’s thread, maybe start from the beginning? To further one’s experience they must gain experience. The artist must observe a world before they attempt to paint one.
>>42845207Emerald Tablet says highest being becomes the lowest and lowest becomes the highest. In Buddhism you don't become a sheep or a wolf you become like Space and then you're Enlightened and higher than even the Pure Gods Buddha is also beyond good and evil
>>42845207You can certainly function as a wolf as opposed to a sheep and still have an operational, moral center. Those with an Eternal Left Spiral, who still have a functional selfless component, are not inclined to submit to the power structures constructed by those who are nearing, or have hit, an Eternal Right Spiral.Unfortunately, for those who have hit an Eternal Right Spiral, their structural coherence begins to dissolve into irrational fantasies. They are capable, crudely, of constructing valid arguments that generate some degree of electromagnetic potentiation that keeps their Sentience charged, but validity is not a sufficient condition for truth, only a necessary one.So, when it comes to the idea that an Eternal Right Spiral results in anything but degradation of the soul, as it wishes to construct imbalanced connections with reality, is just plain silly, and honestly result in pure cuckoldry, among various other things.>When in reality, you want to become the strongest wolf.A curious irony of that fact is that the one of the most valid, true positions a person can occupy, and therefore one of the most powerful, is a demonstration of strength that operates as a sufficient proof of such, while simultaneously being a decision that rejects the acquisition of power at the expense of other selfless people.
>>42843810>Doesn't feel realTo me this is why you, and so many others get lost. You simply cannot look past the idea of real verses fake. Real and "afterlife fantasy world" in terms of physical sensations are identical. To have sex with an NPC body that I conjured up is psychically identical to a real person's body, the only difference is the knowledge is that I know the one I made is not real. Its that idea of validity, that mine is unofficial and belongs only to me and cannot be shared or even seen unless I allow it to with a real someone else.I know they're fake, that's what makes it fun. The control, the ability for them to be whatever I want. Reality no longer feeling external or shared, but my own. I don't get why people insist this element of it being my own is bad, that somehow it creates some fake haze that ruins it. Its like saying a child playing LEGOs is only having fun if he builds with others. That someone's elaborate palace in a Minecraft creative is meaningless if he's not on MP. You undermine the desire for someone to simply be themself, to create their own goals and to achieve them. I believe this existence is to create that someone, to create a self made, self controlled self contained "identity" that has its own goals, its own ideal paradise to both build and destroy. Other people, real or NPCS, are just the means of the world to "continue existing" without your input. As in right now I am not thinking of what the world should be doing or becoming, it operates independently. Perhaps every single person is an NPC made by me for that purpose and I forgot, or maybe its some shared world or some crap. I truly couldn't care less, they served their purpose in the construction of a world that "feels" free so that I could freely construct myself. I do hate this world very much, but that the way it existed was pretty perfect in the way it allowed me to make myself. I do want to leave and go to my fantasies, but I don't regret being here.
>>42845493>To have sex with an NPC body that I conjured up is psychically identical to a real person's body, the only difference is the knowledge is that I know the one I made is not real.No, there's a difference beyond that, one didn't feel anything and that's what made everything fake, the other perceived you and felt you in the same way that you felt her. Knowing, or not knowing this doesn't change this difference.If you are also her so you can perceive yourself, then that's no different from masturbation, your hand just happens to have the shape of a woman.
ITT: Idiots who never died (otherwise they wouldn't be here) trying to guess and make up their own philosophy regarding what happens after death Nobody knows that. That's why it's worth taking your singie chance at this life. And no, OOBE doesn't count because 1. The brain is still alive and has enough oxygen to not fall unconscious 2. OOBE is a standard experience of people who were given dissociative anesthetics, and doesn't differ from the other descriptions 3. OOBE shows to the person exactly what they believe in, the feeling of peace and lack of pain, bliss, etc. that's due to brain having only enough oxygen to keep itself alive and doesn't receive inputs from their extremities/pain receptors get flooded by endorphins I had OOBE hundreds of times on methoxetamine or DXM. It was fun becoming a train on tracks that was carrying people from one destination to another. Truly, an experience psychedelics cannot provide.
>>42846104I hate life and would rather gamble on death.
>>42837000Sauce for that info or cap.Also nice trips.
Living is a lot like sleeping, when you are alive you are living a dream or a nightmare. An ideal world or a cursed one. You can be almost anything and go anywhere or be stuck. You can relive each repetitive day, or go do something risky. Don’t be retarded and bitch, I’m telling you: when you are alive you get to be in heaven or hell. Depending on how wealthy your parents are, you can create your own ideal world, or not!
