I’m not suicidal ( although have been in the past from depression so I understand ) but a friend of a friend committed recently and was venting to me and was worried about them in the afterlife. I don’t think hell exists, I’m agnostic and believe something exists after death but it’s not anything that any human religion has right. But I still wonder what happens to those that end their own life because it’s obviously not something good or I think should be rewarded with a heaven or something to that degree, but it takes a ton of mental anguish to circumvent your basic biological hardwired function to live and end your life. Therefore I don’t believe people who end their lives go to hell because they were already living in one. So is it purgatory or??? I’m curious on your guy’s opinions and thoughts.
you lose every chance you had at that life in this current time in history.i don't think you can punish a person beyond death. i think even if the soul carries on thats not you anymore.
>>42839489>What happens to souls that commit suicide from depression?A tibetan Lama in India told me once that people who commit suicide are often reborn as retards or disabled people. It somehow messes with the karma and makes your rebirth damaged.
>>42839516I had the same theory as well. While I wouldn't say the next reincarnation cycle will make you retarded I do think the next life you have it would be more difficult just from the fact your soul has depression.
>>42839489Dante describes a tortured forest infested with harpies, where the act of suicide is punished by encasing the offender in a tree, thus denying eternal life and damning the soul to an eternity as a member of the restless living dead and prey to the harpies. Furthermore, the soul can only speak and grieve when its tree is broken or damaged as punishment for choosing suicide to express grief. I'm glad you didn't choose suicide, anon. I was in the same boat, but my chaotic life eventually led me back to Christ, and I will never deny Him ever again.
>>42839489>your guy’s opinions and thoughts.my Mother would have a problem with it. I made a point to spend time with her near the end. she came to me in a dream once and told me about wanting to see some roses growing. she spent most of her life working in an assisted living facility taking care of those sorts of people who weren't crazy enough for an asylum, but also too crazy for a family to want to put up with keeping them around. sort of like the people working at the grocery store or whatever.she said she did it because their mothers didn't want to be their mother anymore. what she would do was pacify them with food. the other people working there would just open up plastic wrapped food and microwave it for the people living there. instead, she would ask them for their favorite meal and favorite dessert, each, and she would cycle through each of everyones favorites. it woud usually take a year.they were completely obedient to her. it also turned out that a lot of them could play the piano naturally without any sort of instruction or sheet music. she would sort of force them to play piano of the music they would hear on tv shows and commercials. the point is- she always made sure to do something, anything, for someone. she proved to me on several occasions an uncanny ability to predict meeting someone who needed to hear a certain phrase from her. I would take her around on errands and people would need that little boost, like a young mother at the sewing and cloth aisle at the store, for example.she would be disappointed in me if I killed myself with 40 good years still left in me. I know many of my friends didn't get to have such a good mother, but she made a point of her life to be the mother to people who didn't have the one they needed.
>>42839489They go to hell, ie they get reincarnated as Hindus.
>>42839489They die
>>42839489RIP friend.
>>42839489>a friend of a friend committed recently and was venting to me and was worried about them in the afterlifeIf he was genuinely concerned, he should have just tried to unicycle blindfolded across the railing of a high bridge or some other very likely to result in death activity. It's not suicide when you die in a high-risk activity; it's an accident.
>>42839489If you've been put through an extreme amount of abuse. Then you try to escape that abuse. That makes you the bad guy for trying to escape abuse?
im agnostic with a sense that reincarnation feels truthy. if thats the case, what is said is that typically you come back with similar but slightly worsened situation to have another chance to work with the lessons. its anyones right to do what they choose, but it motivates a lot of people to stay here, knowing that insight. if you take an alchemical perspective, all the problems have purposes, inherent value, that we can find eventually if we tolerate them and look at the beauty in nature, get outside and allow ourselves to be soothed, cleaned and made whole by the beauty that shines from the sun hitting the trees and rocks on the path and the sound of the wind, feel of the rain, etc. it cleans us, over time, months and years, not just days. you learn you can find the beauty hidden in everything, by finding your subtle preferences and approaching them, like a walk in the park, then it comes up when choosing groceries, what to say, etc. eventually you figure out all beauty and all uglyness is within you, its not objective, its relative to whats in you, and its what makes it possible to perceive it, many who find that become mystics. finding purposes of problems, decay makes soil, for instance. loss makes you deeper and more sensitive. stay alive as long as you can, look for the beauty, allow yourself to play in private and learn what it is, make your own rules and dont talk about it too much. avoid unpleasant people and situations by limiting what you say and do. your friend will be fine, its all a process of discovery, imo, as an agnostic.
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>>42839957That's very touching. My family threw me away and the only ones in it interested in me are interested in punishing me for getting my feelings hurt about it. It hurts really badly when you realize you never meant anything at all to any of them. It hurts even worse when they keep reopening wounds. I wish they would just leave me alone. Ive got more than enough other pain and anguish to deal with.
>>42839516To stop me getting a pilots license again. Lol!
>>42839944>>42839516such bullshit.... Imagine listening to a retard buddhist monk seriously... Under enough pressure anyone will kill themselves. Believe me.>you're going to reincarnate into a mosquito!I don't know what happens and i think generally that isn't good but if you expect some kind of divine punishment you're a npc. Probably something like carrying the weight of your own actions, the pain caused to others, the possibilities you missed and denied yourself, the improvements not made
>>42840781Being reborn into the same situation is fucking hilarious for suicide fags.
>>42840258>It's not suicide when you die in a high-risk activity; it's an accident.sounds like jewish hair-splittingdeath is death. it seems strange that God cares how we die.
>>42839489they burn in magic lava for really long
They're dead, tell your friend to get over it and not to worry. It's his own fears of death behind that worry.Noone knows what happens, best scenario it's void, worst reincarnation as a pakijeet destined to live in india as is a lifetime.
>>42840939>It hurtsnot much I can offer aside from being kind to strangers. she would go out of her way to do that to everyone she saw for as long as I could remember. one of the main reasons she worked where she did was because she felt the same way about the world as you do. her response to it all was not to find those people who did not deserve mistreatment, much like yourself, and care for them. she felt the matronly thing to do was to care for those who did not deserve the harm and hate of the world.sometimes when people do things like that it is to make themselves feel better and superior than the others who harm them. instead of that, she focused her energies on cooking meals from scratch instead of just heating up factory food. she would have ~50 people in her care every day for 30 years. sometimes they would move away and such, but she eventually got to the point where she was running a full restaurant worth of cooking and management on her own, in addition to dispensing medication and keeping a house full of wackadoos calm and behaving.the food was a very good way to get them docile, but also just as much was flooding them with fresh compliments all the time and cooking them their favorite meal and dessert during their birthday and making the entire house eat it. my point here is that she built a world for them better than the outside world while at the same time making one for herself. that way you don't have to suffer the bullshit of the world while also not living in a make believe imagination world. maybe try something like that.they were all pretty much the typical 4channer.
>>42840549Pretty much that thought is the correct one.Nearly every society discourages it because it gives a form of freedom, which gives those in power a lack of control. Which they hate.>>42839489You are not rewarded or punished. You just get a small time out before your next try. Probably get to do some low level admin work for whatever higher being needs it.
>>42841923also society discourages it because it breaks the illusion that we live in a good world. If we actually lived in a benevolent world there would be no reason for suicide
if your religion condemns suicide, it is a slave religion. only slaves are not allowed to decide if they want to live or not. buddhism is extremely hypocritical: life is suffering, you don't exist, life doesn't matter, nothing matters, nothing is real, you need to suicide your soul for eternity BUT you will punished for killing a self that doesn't exist? LMAO ZEDONGjust people that want to keep other people enslaved. why don't buddhist monks just starve to death instead of living long lives eating free food from donations?
>>42839489>it’s obviously not something good Why? Do you have any actual reason or just an appeal to vague "obviousness" like a retard?
>>42839489same as if you'd died normally.otherwise explain to me how the fuck would the reincarnation soul-cycle machine know how to sort you?if you stab yourself, if I stab you and if you fall on a knife by accident what is the real difference? a knife killed you but does it REALLY matter who pushed the knife?
>>42839489You will be tortured and then reincarnated into an even worse life. After you kill yourself in the next life you will be then reincarnated again into an even worse life. And so on until you reincarnate into a rock.
>>42844039How is being a rock a bad life?
>>42844043You have no mouth to scream or butthole to poop.
>>42839489I committed suicide by way of charging with sword drawn at a master swordsman in a past life. Dying that way didn't resolve my anguish or regrets in any way, but I was reborn and get to deal with my problems once again, and I feel more mature than I was in the past in regards to my feelings. I'd say I'm more detached in this life though, whereas in the past life my feelings were very immediate and demanding of my attention, driving me towards drastic action as soon as I felt them.
>>42839489There is no soul. It's just like before you were born. Absolute nothingness.
>>42839489I don't understand this concept of torture for suicide, You suffer so much, Beyond your capability and when you want to get out, You then suffer far worse in eternity ? Genuinely don't understand
>>42839489It's a case by case thing, some spirits may take some time to realize that their physical body is dead, since they expected to end their existence, while others are quickly rescued by the positive spirituality. It depends of how your average thoughts, feelings and actions here on Earth were, and what you connected yourself with.>Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.No one punishes you except for your own consciousness, but the damage caused to the spirit partially carries over to your next physical body.
>>42839489>suffer so much you overcome your strongest survival instinct to end it allProbably not punished. Humans have a limited capacity for suffering and whoevers in charge has to walk a fine line of how to punish in order for it to actually be effective without driving them to suicide quickly. Though if they try to restrict and stop you from offing yourself then that probably breaks a free will law. I've been looshed and compelled for almost a decade and I'm done, going to end it. These beings are fucking dumbasses who want to use and kill you at the same time. >off yourself to avoid going getting punished for graping or killing or somethingProbably punished.
>>42839489It will be readily understood that a man who is torn from physical lifehurriedly while in full health and strength, whether by accident or suicide,finds himself upon the astral plane under conditions differing considerablyfrom those which surround one who dies either from old age or fromdisease. In the latter case the hold of earthly desires upon the entity is moreor less weakened, and probably the very grossest particles are already gotrid of, so that the Kâmarûpa will most likely form itself on the sixth or fifthsubdivision of the Kâmaloka, or perhaps even higher; the principles havebeen gradually prepared for separation, and the shock is therefore not sogreat. In the case of the accidental death or suicide none of thesepreparations have taken place, and the withdrawal of the principles fromtheir physical encasement has been very aptly compared to the tearing ofthe stone out of an unripe fruit; a great deal of the grossest kind of astralmatter still clings around the personality, which is consequently held in theseventh or lowest subdivision of the Kâmaloka. This has already beendescribed as anything but a pleasant abiding-place, yet it is by no means thesame for all those who are compelled for a time to inhabit it. Those victimsof sudden death whose earth-lives have been pure and noble have noaffinity for this plane, and the time of their sojourn upon it is passed, toquote from an early Letter on this subject, either “in happy ignorance andfull oblivion, or in a state of quiet slumber, a sleep full of rosy dreams “.
>>42845267But on the other hand, if their earth-lives have been low and brutal, selfishand sensual, they will, like the suicides, be conscious to the fullest extent inthis undesirable region; and they are liable to develop into terribly evilentities. Inflamed with all kinds of horrible appetites which they can nolonger satisfy directly now they are without a physical body, they gratifytheir loathsome passions vicariously through a medium or any sensitiveperson whom they can obsess; and they take a devilish delight in using allthe arts of delusion which the astral plane puts in their power in order tolead others into the same excesses which have proved so fatal tothemselves. Quoting again from the same letter:—”These are the Pisâchasthe incubi and succubæ of mediæval writers—demons of thirst andgluttony, of lust and avarice, of intensified craft, wickedness and cruelty,provoking their victims to horrible crimes, and revelling in theircommission”. From this class and the last are drawn the tempters—thedevils of ecclesiastical literature; but their power fails utterly before purityof mind and purpose; they can do nothing with a man unless he has firstencouraged in himself the vices into which they seek to draw him.One whose psychic sight has been opened will often see crowds of theseunfortunate creatures hanging round butchers’ shops, public-houses, orother even more disreputable places—wherever the gross influences inwhich they delight are to be found, and where they encounter men andwomen still in the flesh who are like-minded with themselves.
>>42845277For such anentity as one of these to meet with a medium with whom he is in affinity isindeed a terrible misfortune; not only does it enable him to prolongenormously his dreadful life in Kâmaloka but it renews for perhaps anindefinite period his power to generate evil Karma, and so prepare forhimself a future incarnation of the most degraded character, besides runningthe risk of losing a large portion or even the whole of the lower Manas. Onthis lowest level of the astral plane he must stay at least as long as hisearthly life would have lasted if it had not been prematurely cut short; and ifhe is fortunate enough not to meet with a sensitive through whom hispassions can be vicariously gratified, the unfulfilled desires will graduallyburn themselves out, and the suffering caused in the process will probablygo far towards working off the evil Karma of the past life.The position of the suicide is further complicated by the fact that his rashact has enormously diminished the power of the higher Ego to withdraw itslower portion into itself, and therefore has exposed him to manifold andgreat additional dangers: but it must be remembered that the guilt of suicidediffers considerably according to its circumstances, from the morallyblameless act of Seneca or Socrates through all degrees down to the heinouscrime of the wretch who takes his own life in order to escape from theentanglements into which his villainy has brought him, and of course theposition after death varies accordingly.
>>42844670the god of this realm is a sadist. archons, the demiurge, satan's little season, kali yuga... however you interpret it, there's clearly a problem with this place.
>>42845267>>42845277>>42845285>God gives you animal desires>if you don't reject your biology, you are punished>want sex? punished>want warmth & comfort? punished>like food? punished>need relief from the hellworld and numb yourself? double punishedfuck ALL of this bullshit
>>42841034hi egg
>>42839980a fate far worse than even africanism.
>>42839489Nothing but delusions on this board.There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, life after death, demons, hell, tulpas, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to live. Reality is both a giant playground for us to explore and progress in, but also an arena for us to fight in for our false ideologies. If you fail at life, you will never find anything to hold on to. No aliens, no haunted houses, no spirits, no demons to fight. You're only fighting with your own delusions, and desperately trying not to hit the absolute bottom. Now try to prove me wrong, if there really is anyone still treating this paranormal shit seriously.
>>42846434>There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, life after death, demons, hell, tulpas, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to liveproof?
>>42846434Consensus reality is not objective reality. Anyway, what's funny is people trying to make sense of it all, like everything is mechanical clockwork ad infinitum. Why do things have to "make sense"?
>>42846478Also, I'll add:Our frame of reference is that of an ape on a big rock. There's going to be plenty of shit that doesn't make sense in that framework. For example, a funny random thought would be an astrophycisist theorising something that is actually artificial in space. Like a biologist in the woods trying to explain how a log cabin evolved on it's own and rose from the soil.
>>42846478>The Multifaceted Sensemaking Theory: A Systematic Literature Review and Content Analysis on Sensemakinghttps://www.mdpi.com/2079-8954/11/3/145
>>42846502>>42846478>Our frame of reference is that of an ape on a big rockFor someone that's against people trying to come up with definitive statements, you sure do seem to make a lot of definitive statements.
>>42846434And I bet you think you are just sooooo much more intelligent than everyone else that believes in that nonsense, don't you? Well, your type, who are retards who believe they're intelligent, but are really so stupid they, i.e. you, become dangerous. Btw, I am also a retard, but I acknowledge it, so I am a better retard than you. Retard.
>>42846466He doesn't have any of course. That dumb nigger just wants to flex his non-existent intellectual "muscle" on some anonymous faggots he doesn't even know. In short, that guy is a retarded niggerfaggot.
>>42845903Moderation is key. You can enjoy all those things just don't become an addict
>>42839489Suicide=Hell isn't even in the Bible. That was made up by the RCC centuries later.
>>42839489Your life you are living now is the only time you will ever exist. Enjoy it as best you can, if you can't enjoy it be happy it will end sooner or later. Life feels long when you are young, but one day you will suddenly be in your death bed, if you dont die from something else. Death is a blessing tho.
>>42839489I believe in quantum suicide theory, I don't think true death of the self is possible, so while he may have died in your reality, there's another reality where he failed and continued on living.
>>42845892I believe suicide, Is the only escape from this realm, Dying normally will keep us in this realm bound into those illusions of the Afterlife, Not accepting this life is better than accepting it
well the *checks notes*arconical mafia has free feast over your remaining energies, soul and spirit. you know like the shadows lurking around waiting for ones demise? liek that mexican cartel member who would kill himself, he would cry out of fear as he saw the entities and how they would seize his astral/energetic body and pull him down? like from that show, where the shadows are around john constantine saying he would evade them many times.you are like a fresh suicidal cheezburger snack just dropped on the groundsand these things they are just like houndsthey will devour you quickly, heckwhats three second rule?of course only if you believe in such things, probably
>>42847048True, Suicide is not even prohibited in the bible.King Saul fell on his sword (committed suicide) yet not condemned
>>42848665How do you continue living in any alternate reality if you blew your head off with a shotgun, etc?
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>>42839489Nothing bad happens according to most experienced psychic mediums and near death experiences.It doesn't even make sense that it would. Imagine how evil and cruel a God would have to be to torture someone who already felt so crushed, so worthless and depressed, they killed themselves.The only bad thing about suicide is the pain it inflicts on other people you leave behind and likely will traumatize them for years. But the spirits themselves are almost always at peace as soon as they cross over and shed their human brain and pains.
