What's the single worst placement a person can have?
Having cancer would be bad I suppose but looks like the promise of 69 I don't think it's great in the long run
>>42842087people hate on scorpio but it's not deserved <3
>>42842087ophiuchus
Mars in the 7th or 4th house. Especially if the moon in conjunct. People think Saturn is spooky, but a badly placed Mars causes much more trouble in someone's personal life.
>>42842137in true sidereal my mars is aries and jupiter is leo but im a lazy fuck who never does anything so how does that work
>>42842161It doesn't work because sidereal is jeet bullshit. Your mars being in Taurus and Jupiter in Virgo (Jupiter does quite bad in earth signs and is also in detriment in Virgo) would explain the root of your "lazyness" which actually means you might just be too slow to act and has a tendency to tunnel vision yourself.
>>42842087What happens if you're here?
>>42842510Literally nothing
>>42842510We are all there right now.
How bout you learn to read a whole chart and not focus on the details separatelyFucking women shouldnt do astrology
>>42842087Squares matter more than a single placement.
>>42842087Charts are huge and extremely complex with multiple parts interacting with eachother.
>>42842213The jeet bullshit is literally more accurate and way older than your greek and medieval shit nigger
>>42843223>Uh durr its accurate because its how the sky is therefore is more accurate because... It just is you stupid benchod
>>42842087Aquarius is the worst because it's a depressive psychotic troon sign.
>>42843327ur not allowed into the age of aquarius
>>42843318Insane you think this is a valid counter argument when you've literally proven my point for me. Yes, nigger. I do think that the system which uses the real time placements in the sky is literally more accurate and therefore superior. Tell me why tropical is any way accurate when there is an offset of of 24 degrees or one sign? Being edgy is one thing but you seem to be a literal retard chud.
>>42843327>Aquarius stellium >Nazi who hates troons.
>>42843384Fine, Harshit, keep using your retarded sidereal garbage because you lack introspection and can't cope with having shit placements in tropical while the rest of the world stick to the system that actually works.
>>42843463Well now you're aware you have been attacking your own people.
>>42843327Virgo is the actual tranny sign.
>>42842087>What's the single worst placement a person can have?The absolute peak of midwit astrology. You people treat natal charts like Pokeman cards: "oh no my Mars is in the 8th, I'm le cursed forever to die a br00tal deth." A single placement means nothing. Zero. The chart is a closed system of interrelations. Dignity, dispositors, aspects, house rulers, sect, and the overall configuration determine outcome. A "difficult" Mars can be the exact engine that forges competence if he rest of the chart supports it. Calling one planet-house combo the "worst" is the intellectual equivalent of diagnosing a car by staring at one bolt.And half of you are still using tropical, which is a seasonal calendar that has drifted nearly an entire sign from the actual sky. Sidereal at least tracks the real stellar backdrop instead of pretending the equinoxes are still where Hipparchus left them. You want "accuracy"? Start with the positions that actually exist overhead instead of a 24° fossilized approximation. The premise of this thread is already broken. There is no "worst placement." There are only poorly integrated charts and people too lazy to read past the first zoomzoom meme they saw on TikTok.
>>42843556"while the rest of the world stick to the system that actually works." You conjugate verbs to plural for single subjects, tropical esl nigger.
>>42843668
>>42843668>A single placement means nothing>Sun square Mars>Mars opposition Jupiter>Pluto opposition MC>Pluto square Ascendant>Sun square Pluto>Sun opposition ASC>Saturn square Uranus>Uranus quincunx Ascendantonly if it was one planet, tho at least i also have a bunch of trines and sextiles
>>42843732You're actually making the original point for me and what you listed is a network of tensions across multiple planets and those angles. That’s the actual chart and not one isolated “bad” spot. Hard aspects are common, soft ones too. Almost every chart has a mix like that. Nothing particularly rare or uniquely rough about it, It’s just how they play out in the grand scheme of things..
>>42843784>Nothing particularly rare or uniquely rough about it,cmon i wanna complain about things
>>42843668>virgo chad>siderealwhatever you say you LIBRA
>>42843818>>42843818It's still Virgo in both systems, you absolute smoothbrain. Tropical 29°51' Virgo is anaretic Virgo, not Libra. Basic arithmetic.And no, I won't suddenly start LARPing the "anaretic = super OP 100% BADASS 29 destiny degree" cope just because some tropical midwits decided the last degree is special. That is exactly the single-placement, degree-fetish thinking this entire thread is built on. Charts are systems. One isolated degree does not make or break anything, anaretic or otherwise. Pretending otherwise is how you end up ranking "worst placements".The only relevant fact remains the same: your tropical map is systematically offset from the actual sky by ~24°. Whether the Sun sits at 29° or 5° of the seasonal Virgo is secondary to the fact that the seasonal Virgo no longer corresponds to the constellation. Sidereal corrects for precession. Tropical does not. Everything else is downstream of that.You tried to activate a trap card and just revealed you cannot read a chart or do subtraction. Peak.
>>42842087saturn square mars/sun is probably the worst thing you can have in the birth chartbut that question really depends on what you value
>>42843327lol, fixed signs are least likely to cheat their own gender or the opposite gender>>42843668>And half of you are still using tropical, which is a seasonal calendar that has drifted nearly an entire sign from the actual skyThe tropical sky is the actual sky.>Sidereal at least tracks the real stellar backdrop That's what nakshatras/lunar mansions are for. The 12 sign zodiac system is defined tropically.
>>42842510Everything.
>>42842510that's either the north or south poles constellations.Ursa MinorOctans - there's not really any mythology or symbology associated with it since it's the southern hemisphere and only coined 300 years or so ago.
>>42843865Nice try. But you forgot one key part. The actual constellations are different sizes irl. You could fit like 5 cancer constellations into the virgo.. therefore the system you are using does NOT reflect the true sky. FRAUD
>>42843953the worst is some siderealists earnestly believe this
i really don't wanna get btfo by a virgo
>>42843876The tropical zodiac is defined by the equinoxes and solstices. >>42843xxxBoth systems use equal 30° signs. That is a deliberate mathematical abstraction dating back to the Babylonians, not a claim that the constellations are equal. Virgo is large, Cancer is small, Scorpius is tiny, Ophiuchus sits on the ecliptic. This is true whether you measure from the equinox or from a fixed star. The unequal-size objection therefore applies to tropical and equal-sign sidereal equally. It does not uniquely disqualify one. The actual difference between the two systems is the reference frame: seasons versus the stellar backdrop. Sidereal keeps the frame aligned with the stars via ayanamsa. Tropical does not. That is the entire point under discussion, not the internal widths of the IAU boundaries.
>>42843956Why? Sidereal is supposed to be about the true sky
what does my near future look like anons?
>>42844149>sagittarius jupiterBlessed. Just do the sagittarius shit and you'll have a billion dollars and infinite women
Mars in Libra, Saturn in Aries, 12th House in Aires, Venus in Capricorn, Jupiter in Pisces, Stellium of identity in 7th House. Ask me how I know.
>>42842087Saturn conjunct SunPluto square VenusSaturn conjunct North nodeChiron 10th houseI know because I have them, they are fucking brural.
>>42844175thanks anon, have a gondola i make for u
>>42843936>there's not really any mythology or symbology associated with it since it's the southern hemisphere and only coined 300 years or so ago.So essentially uncharted territory?
>>42842087I know next ot nothing about astrology, but if anyone can please clarify, is the birth date the only variable to anyone's starsign?If so that's super lame.
Space racism isn’t real.
>>42844487location down to the coordinates and exact time
>>42844512>location down to the coordinates and exact timeHold on, so location also matters?You mean to tell me, TPTB setup hospitals in the precise locations that are more likely to bring into the world servile cattle???
>>42843997>The tropical zodiac is defined by the equinoxes and solstices.Yes, and the sidereal zodiac is defined completely arbitrarily and thus holds no divinatory relevance.
>>42844769Sidereal is not “completely arbitrary.” It is tied to the actual stellar backdrop. Those different ayanamsas are different zero-points for measuring that same backdrop. Tropical being locked to the seasons and has drifted nearly a full sign away from the constellations the signs were named after. One system still points at the sky and the other points at a calendar. Pretending the stellar positions no longer matter is just choosing to ignore the original frame of reference.
I don't relate to my jeetereal chart even if my placements there are goated. What now?
>>42842213Ooof no wonder my Jupiter in Virgo has been absolute dog shit. Man I fucking hate my chart. Mars in Cancer, Moon in Leo. Just shit all over me and fuck my shit up.
>>42843327I have that fucking sign in the 7th house, it's like a mix of Pisces and Capricorn.
>>42846115Yeah it really do be like that. If you wanted to max grief yourself in life just seed yourself with lots of aquarius placements.
>>42843223Good morning sir
>>42843625Not you again. Just because you met literally two people who were dykes or whatever - it is not the stereotype for Virgo
>>42842087Have a chart like mine where virtually everything is badly aspected
I've got a better question: How are you meant to overcome a shitty chart? Occult magick? I fucking hate astrology so much, I refuse to have its forces bind and control my life and fate
>>42845258>>42846185>>428461154 planets in detriment saturns quares and chiron 7 but this is my (Yagami light) chart so it doesnt matter. If your spirit is strong enough you can overcome any retarded placement but this is sacred ball knowledge
>>42846242I'm not too sure of my birth time, so making me potentially an Aqua rising (which I think is probably right)
Only idiots would believe in this
I don't know much about astrology, but I'm a virgo-libra and I fucking suck. All the nitpicking and perfectionism of a virgo and all the indecisive passivity of a libra? Just fuck my shit up, senpai!
Is the chart taking on local data or universal one?!?
>>42846247>sagittarius jupiter with fortune opposing sun mercuryAgain just do the sagittarius thing and you will be a sextillionaire you also need to be delusional and grandiose because of the opposition
>>42846275the first breath you take as a baby imprints the star energies on your body mind spirit
>>42846275yes
I have literally no idea...I guess I am shit then...
>>42846276What's the 'Sagittarius' thing fren?
>>42846293You become a spiraling schizo and then make stuff from thatIm 9th house pisces sun and uranus i think that might be similiar to the sagittarius but it isnt a literal sag so if you have a literal sag placement you probably know better than me but id say its an inner voice inner urge thing True Will if you want to be edgy
>>42844848>It is tied to the actual stellar backdropCompletely arbitrarily.>Tropical being locked to the seasons and has drifted nearly a full sign away from the constellations the signs were named afterIt's the other way around you utter ignoramus.Typical virgo justifying belief in absolute nonsense with a wall of text.
>>42843384>>42843556>two fucking retards arguing over which made up bullshit fairy magic works better.this boards is a fucking shithole. full of gullible low IQ idiots.
>>42846738capricorn moment
>>42846738>bullshit fairy magicbecause neil de grasse tyson said so or what? what are you doing on this board then you stupid nigger?
>>42846738All because of Brapjeet Dipshit trying to reinvent the wheel because he didn't like his moon or mars being in a shit sign.
>>42846738The nobody threads are still open, anon
>>42842087god forbid you have leo asc people automatically assume you're a narcissist
>>42842087I say the worst placement for a person would most likely be in between your mom's legs.
>>42846627Let me explain this slowly so it sinks in.When someone makes a claim (“sidereal is completely arbitrary”), the next logical step is to show the *why*. You don’t just repeat the claim louder and call the other person an ignoramus. That’s not an argument, that’s a tantrum. You never explained why measuring from the actual stellar backdrop is more arbitrary than freezing the frame at the equinoxes and letting the stars drift. You just stamped your foot and insulted the sentence structure.I’m done with you. Take a debate class or something. You're not cut out for engagements like this.
>>42843668How do you account for the signs elements and modalities and their seasonal correspondence? That falls apart in sidereal and it's like one of few I'd not the major blockers tropicals have against it
>>42844356Fuck you're me? Except my Chiron is in 9h and my suffering is existential
>>42842087This one, very strange…….never sat right with me
>>42848588Dude, you are the flat earthers of astrology. No one gives a fuck about your debates.
>>42842087Scorpio, Leo and Gemini anyone of those 3 if you have a stellium youre cursed but having them in moderation isn’t the worst
>>42849002Now try them in retrograde
>>42842087Ophiuchus-Serpentarius
>>42848651the seasonal correspondence is a tropical framing, not solid universal requirement. Elements and modalities are symbolic categories. Tropical maps them onto the seasons while sidereal maps them onto the stellar backdrop and the original constellation associations, one just relies on astrological facts, even if we step away from astrology. Both are interpretive choices. The fact that the seasonal story stops working in sidereal doesn’t automatically make the stellar frame invalid- it just means that particular justification belongs to the tropical system.You’re right that it IS one of the cleaner objections tropical has. It doesn’t settle which reference frame is better, it just shows the two systems presented are doing different things with the same symbolic toolkit.
>>42848685Seems like a cool guy
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>>42845258>Mars in Cancer, Moon in LeoSame, but this isn't so bad. Anything leo is great, you have to try extra hard some times. Mars in cancer, snippety snips XD.
>>42846282>the first breath you take as a baby imprints the star energies on your body mind spiritWhat, i thought the time come from the cutting of the cord.
>>42844149idk
>>42853048Spirit enters you through breath so idk
>>42853278Maybe the first breath after cutting of the umbilical cord.
>>42853404It's the moment you come out of your mom's vagoo. You are bathed with the cosmic rays.
>>42853523will a c section baby ever have the same power level as a naturally born human?
>>42842087I'm by no means an expert, but I think having my Gemini Mars in the 9th House square with my 12th House Virgo Moon constitutes a big challenge in my chart. In everything there are influences one can leverage to offset this, but in my specific case I think my chart's lack of Fire and this tension is a nasty one for procrastination not finishing things. I seem to have an abundance of signs I can use for spiritual development and mysticism though, like my lovely Jupiter in Pisces.
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