Why wouldn’t God want Adam and Eve to gain knowledge from the tree? Why did he put it there in the first place? Why did he reward Cain with immortality and protective spell from anyone who harmed him? Anyone feel to add any more inconsistencies. Answers from Christian/Catholic perspective only please
>>42852198It's not literal. It describes when humans became self reflective.
I need the same thing but for science
>>42852198It's a parable, brother. You didn't let redditors gawking at talking snakes lead you into believe that it's a literal tree and a literal snake, did you?
>>42852265That doesn’t really answer my questions, wether it’s literal or not
>>42852217Go to sleep, mr. Vice president
>>42852198Every Holy Book has inconsistencies. You're reading with uninitiated eyes and I don't appreciate that.
>>42852277I think it's a rewrite to remove the bull that was originally the snake. God took mercy on us after Toba and gave us a piece of itself over the other hominids so we could survive. If you really wanna understand you need to understand the evolution of myth because the bible compresses a lot of things but is still tied to everything else.
>>42852284Uninitiated from your Jewish “lucifer is actually a good guy” mysteries? Yea no thanks
>>42852198When I was younger, I'd always wondered how Adam and Eve were supposed to know not listening to God was a bad thing if they hadn't known what good and evil was at the time.I wasn't really a teenage atheist, but close (called myself an agnosticist)...
>>42852198>Why wouldn’t God want Adam and Eve to gain knowledge from the tree?It separated soul from Spirit, introducing ego. “The fall” is meta-awareness.>Why did he put it there in the first place?It was baked into the Edenic layer of creation. The tree is a divine Logos.>Why did he reward Cain with immortality and protective spell from anyone who harmed him?You’re misreading the text. There was no reward; Cain wasn’t made immortal. The myth is metaphorical: Cain is flesh, Abel is soul, Seth is symbolic mediation.
>>42852198Adam and Eve is about obedience. Cain who is aware of good and evil after the fall of man is the first man that commits murder and therefore becomes the marked bearer of the curse.
One thing is absolutely true, bible or not, and that is that the creator sinisterly bestowed reproduction humiliation and extreme suffering on the female. Idiots worship a goddess, forget celestial and earthly snd inbtw... they worship sex and reproduction while larping as worshiping the Woman! lolImmagine worshiping a Goddess, Female, Woman and simultaneously worshiping fertility, the ultimate insult and gruesome punishment and unwarranted humiliation against the Woman/Goddess/Female. The lack of logic in idiots like these and then alike to them christians and all sorts of other hoards on this Earth is Insulting.
>>42852495You shouldn't be allowed to post on the internet. You say nothing but malaise.
>>42852501Hm! You don't like my perspective, just bypass it.Unless... are you worried someone will read it and ask questions themselves. Not my problem.
>>42852511It just makes zero sense and only seems to separate. You're not well in the mind.
>>42852501Are you a lady that is stuck on I am a wholy womb... nothing else matters hill? lolI swell like a pig inside so a parasite can kick me for months then rip me to my asshole, potentially kill me like many before me... Holy lady! lolThe creator did this, man has ro come for ten minutes and his asshole won't be ripped and entrailed kicked. But I can pretend it's fun and cope and even worship the processsz maybe get some simp idiots to join as well. lolBitch please.
>>42852517Maybe the creation snd creator are just nuts all together! Does it make sense to you?Ripping eachother to shreds, literally from birth to death, endlessly, all of crestion. It's the norm though, snd you are Normal, one of many, the mases.
>>42852519>>42852526>All this egoNo thanks
>>42852198>Why wouldn’t God want Adam and Eve to gain knowledge from the tree?It's like this. If you keep in darkness or ignorant then it is easier to manipulate them and handle them. If people are dumb and don't understand reality then you can have power over them. When people start to have knowledge this can level the game a little bit because now people can think and they can realize your manipulation and question exactly like you are doing: "Why would God not want us to have knowledge"? This is key. So again, God did not want that because then we would be able to realize the truth. >Why did he put it there in the first place?What makes you sure that God did that? See, the problem with you faggots who believe in christianity is that you think that "God" is one being, but you faggots forget that the original word used in the fucking bible is "Elohim" which means "Gods", plural, not singular. I don't care the trinity cope or watever nonsense the christian church or jews claim. THey claim that God is singular, the jews, and the christians claim that God is singular, but plural at the same time. Anyway, you faggots forgot that God is plural, more than ONE. Some God put that shit there because that God was trying to help us. He probably knew how fucked up our destiny was going to be so he tried to help us by giving us a chance to understand the reality of this design, good and evil. >Why did he reward Cain with immortality and protective spell from anyone who harmed him?Probably because that God in particular who protected him liked him.Even if he was a murderer.
>>42852544Rip worshiper detected. lol
>>42852198why is it so hard for the people who write the bible to say what they actually mean. Some parts people say are meant to be taken literal while other parts that make no sense at all we're supposed to ignore because "you're not supposed to take that literally bro" You would think if the writers of the bible didn't want Christians to practice the bible in the wrong way just because they left ambiguity in it. No wonder why we have so many sects, no one can agree on shit.
How did Jesus recruit his disciples? The Bible (and even gnostic texts) paint it like he walked up to random people and they joined him. You don't just let randos into your innermost circle. So what actually happened?
>>42852991They followed him around because he did miracles anon. It’s implied Jesus only deeply trusted a handful of them. When he goes into the house to heal the girl he tells the majority of them they can’t come in and watch, the implication why is that he doesn’t think they are true believers (yet)
>>42853016It's because he was a con artist. He only "trusted" the few that were in on the scheme. Aka planting people in crowds, doing slight of hand tricks, etc.
>>42852198>Why wouldn’t God want Adam and Eve to gain knowledge from the tree? There's a thing called "innocence", Adam and Eve not knowing what's good and what's bad meant they couldn't be held accountable for anything. Even if Eve were to beat up Adam MMA style, she wouldn't/couldn't be "judged".[Gnostics and satanists have no respect for innocence and can't see the beauties of it and instead look down upon it as if it is something shameful/pathetic]>Why did he put it there in the first place? So that YOU would come into existence, and He took the hell punishment due you upkn Himself on the cross so you could be considered "forgiven", and then He Himself purifies you to make you fit for heaven. YOU couldn't "logically" come into existence and make it to heaven without any other system (He doesn't just do miracles). He could have killed Adam and Eve and restarted the whole process, but then YOU wouldn't come into existence, He specifically wanted YOU to be born instead of some other being. If He directed created a perfectly purified version of you, that being wouldn't be YOU either, it would be a different being.>Why did he reward Cain with immortality and protective spell from anyone who harmed him? Cain wasn't made immortal, and taking revenge or killing/harming someone out of anger is a sin (evil) for humans.
>>42852208>It's not literal.Yes it is you fucking heretic. Stop spreading false doctrine
>>42852198It means you aren't supposed to jerk off
>>42853401*upon
>>42853063As much as I hate to admit it I think this might genuinely be the case. People like this exist now, we know they existed in the past, Jesus wasn't the only holy man to perform "miracles". Even if he did genuinely perform miracles how could we ever know it was true? Just seems more likely he, like the others was a bit of a fraud
>>42853401>strawmanReal gnostics don't view innocence as something bad
>>42852198>Why wouldn’t God want Adam and Eve to gain knowledge from the tree?They weren't ready.>CainLamech killed him.
>>42853524>Real gnostics don't view innocence as something badThey 'subtly' do but just don't accept in public or to themselves because everyone knows in their conscience that seeing innocence as bad is evil.
>>42853529Let me give my resonings for what I said in >>428535581. A self aware innocent being would say "I know absolutely nothing". How would a Gnostic see a being who says "I know absolutely nothing"? Or, how would a Gnostic view a being who can't 'truly' know anything?2. An innocent being constantly needs a caretaker/overseer/father/mother to take care of them. How would a Gnostic view a being who can't be left without or take care of themselves without a caretaker/overseer/father/mother?
>>42852198What are the fruits of the knowing good and evil?
>>42852198Christian Loosh harvesting thread. Have you no shame?
>>42852328Cain is big foot, the mark was him being hairy and god cursed him and made him scare hikers for centuries
>>42853063>>42853442You think all the amazing wisdom he spread was thought up by someone else?
>>42852198Reminder that everything went wrong after Adam was put into a deep sleep and it never says he woke up.
>U SEE, UH, THIS BOOK WRITTEN 2000 YEARS AGO BY BRONZE AGE 80 IQ IDIOTS WHO WIPED THEIR ASSES WITH THEIR OWN HANDS AND BELIEVED THE EARTH WAS FLAT AND REFUSED TO WASH THEIR HANDS BEFORE THEY ATE IS UHH, A UHHH, A METAPHOR>EVEN THOUGH EVERY SCRAP OF HISTORICAL/GENETIC/LINGUISTIC/ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE PROVES EVERYTHING IN THE OT FROM GENESIS-EXODUS IS STRICTLY NOT TRUE BUT A MYTH/LIE/DECEPTION LETS JUST SAY IT WAS A METAPHOR>BTW U MUST GIVE US $$$ TO GO TO "HEAVEN" AND IGNORE WAR CRIMES AND ABUSES PERPETUATED BY OUR CULT >U SEE UH, ONLY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THIS JEWISH BOOK OF LIES WILL GO TO HEAVEN REGARDLESS OF EVIL DEEDS, ALL THE REST OF HUMANITY GETS JUDGED BY *DA LAWD*>GOD WANTS...GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD LIKES THIS GOD DOESNT LIKE THAT GOD THIS GOD THAT GOD GOD GOD GOD GODWhat a convenient lie to make evil dishonest cult leaders lots of $$$>NO NO U MUST UHH UHH DO "GOOD DEEDS" TO GO TO HEAVEN LIKE>FALSE DELIVERANCE MINISTRIES UTILIZING DECEPTION AND DRUGS TO FAKE MIRACLES AND DEMAND TITHES>SPAWNING HOLY WARS BETWEEN VARIOUS CULTS>ENDLESS FALSE AND FAILED END TIMES PROPHECIES BY DELUDED/DECEPTIVE RELIGIOUS AUTHORITIES>NO, ACKSHUALLY, THE ONLY "HOLY" PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS WANDERING BEGGERS WHO REFUSE TO ENGAGE IN ANY KIND OF WORLDLY LABOR AND INSTEAD LOVE TO BITCH ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES "SINS" WHILST BEGGING FOR $$$>OH BTW IT WAS DELIBERATELY ALTERED SEVERAL TIMES AND IS PROVABLY NOT AN INFALLIBLE TEXT
>>42852208https://postflaviana.org/introduction-flavian-origins-theory-christianity/In Caesar’s Messiah, Joseph Atwill showed that the Flavian Caesars, Vespasian and Titus, invented Christianity, more or less in the form we know it today. Remarkably, the emperors left behind a veiled confession (or boast) of their work, embedded in the Gospels and the works of Josephus. The religion was invented as wartime propaganda, primarily targeted at Hellenistic Jews of the Diaspora, and also at the Gentiles (who were being approached by Jewish evangelists.) This covert act of psychological warfare was successful beyond the Romans’ wildest dreams: even today, the dominant view is that Christianity arose in humble circumstances, and grew to massive proportions while being driven by a variety of philosophical and religious trends, if not by God himself. However, as Atwill pointed out:… as Christianity describes its origins, it was not only supernatural but also historically illogical. Christianity, a movement that encouraged pacifism and obedience to Rome, claims to have emerged from a nation engaged in a century-long struggle with Rome. An analogy to Christianity’s purported origins might be a cult established by Polish Jews during World War II that set up its headquarters in Berlin and encouraged its members to pay taxes to the Third Reich (29).When Atwill published Caesar’s Messiah, he was concerned that his work not be seen as anti-Christian, but rather that it would help Christians as well as others to see how Christianity was manipulated by its elite creators for their own benefits. However, Atwill would be horrified if his work should ever be misused as a tool for those who would perpetuate the cycle of religious hate and revenge perpetrated by some of the various sects of Christianity as well as other religions.
Non religious fag here.The bible makes way more sense as a series of metaphors never to be taken literally.God doesn't literally say anything it's all interpretation.Ignorance is bliss = the world is paradise because there is no distinction between good and evil.The snake is your intestines making you hungry. You hunger for knowledge."Eve" realized something and shared it with Adam.They lost their innocence and discovered good and evil. Ouch=bad.They felt as if God booted them out of paradise because nothing looks or feels the same anymore
>>42853430please do deeper research and learn to control your angerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLXxCI2jb8whttps://cogniarchae.com/tag/christianity/
>>42853860>OH YEAH BTW, LETS SPREAD AN EVIL SYSTEM KNOWN AS "ASCETICISM" AND GET PEOPLE TO REFUSE TO HAVE CHILDREN AS A POPULATION CONTROL SCHEME SO R CULT LEADERS CAN HAVE MORE $$$ AND LAND
>>42853860anything that has to proselytize others into their cult, spread constant fear and hate, and shun anything outside of the cult's 'framework' as demonic isn't a source of 'good'. It's that simple but they can't see it
>>42853876>OH BTW, WE HAVE EMPIRCALLY PROVEN HIGH LEVELS OF RELIGIOSITY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH>LOW IQ, SCHIZOPHRENIA, AND DAMAGE TO TO PREFRONTAL CORTEX>PRONOTE LONG TERM EXCESSIVE FASTING TO INCREASE DAMAGE TO PREFRONTAL CORTEX>LAST RESORT, RESORT TO VAIN THREATS OF TORTURE FOR REFUSE TO OBEY HYPOCRITICAL EVIL DISHONEST DECEPTIVE WORTHLESS CULT LEADERS
>>42853063its deeper than that; Jesus is Lucifer. That doesn't mean I don't think the NT doesn't have parables of wisdom and good teachings but they're hardly 'Christian', most of it is really all about being a good person to yourself and others. https://www.nairaland.com/6976587/jesus-christ-lucifer-100-proof
>>42853881What jews sacrifice to, they sacrifice to demonsFirst for the gentiles, last for the jews>NO GENTILE, EVERY YEAR, THE WORLDS GONNA END, OUR 2000 YEAR OLD BOOK OF JEWISH LIES SEZ SO
>>42853900see >>42853870
>>42852198If you are to think about it from a programming perspective, Adam & Eve were meant to develop themselves naturally in their own container (garden of Eden), but the fruit of knowledge is basically the publicly available database from the internet for&from beings in similar worlds to ours, and Eve eat it, so her mind got all of that information without experiencing anything yet, same with Adam when he fell for her like a dumb LLM that ignores the previous prompts due to unknown random reasons.Basically this is a failed simulation of how would human life develop naturally instead of having external knowledge, but God decided that it'll still be interesting to see how we'll act and react even after this small cheat Eve decided to get.Cheaters man, I hate them, women too, so since Eve was the first cheater and first woman on earth, I hate her the most lol.
>>42853792The new testament was wrote decades after he died. There's wisdom in other religions holy texts, that doesn't make them the truth
>>42853874You will burn you Satanist bastard
If angels and demons are ontologically the same type of being (demons are just fallen angels), then why are their hybrid offspring with humans (nephilim and cambions) treated as separate species? Shouldn't a nephilim and cambion refer to the same creature in different context?
>>42852553>Elohim paired with singular verbs and adjectivesThe plural -im is used to denote God's supreme power, majesty, and totality of devine attributes. It is not used to describe gods plural.~ Genesis 1:1 ~Hebrew Text: בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים (Bereshit bara Elohim)English Translation: "In the beginning God created..."The Verb: The Hebrew verb for "created" (בָּרָא / bara) is strictly third-person singular ("he created").The Grammar: If the text meant "gods created," it would use the plural form of the verb (בָּרְאוּ / baru). Because the singular verb governs the plural noun Elohim, it grammatically forces the reader to understand Elohim as a single actor.
>>42852198The Lord God doesn't make Man in the IMAGE of US. The Lord God Breathes Life into Adam.Adam and Eve could FACE The Lord God!.Then they started lying, couldn't face him, and knew their shame. The void comes alive to wholly seduce Eve. The most subtle thing ever wanted to fuck Eve to have its own bloodline of murderous hybrids. The theme of the Old Testament is The Lord God keeping sparse bloodlines alive as a minority in a wolrd of weeds that are trivial for HIM to mow the lawn of, or pull the genetics back out of. Noah being the last significant bottleneck. Cain line is cursed again for castrating Noah, after being cursed for the murder of Able. Yahweh is spoiling Legion's spirit painting party they didn't expect HIM to show up and die like a Man in.
>>42853430the only heretic is you if you genuinely think its literal lmaooo
>>42854059I'm not a Satanist but it's cute you think fear-mongering and hate will win people over
>>42853696based and sasquatchpilled
>>42852208This really only makes sense to me. Metaphor and such for sentience. When God tells Adam to name everything hes collapsing wave functions for example
>>42852223You do know they prove these shit. They use logos to find out how things are made. If you doubt science then try an experiment.
>>42855873clothing = culturecane = physical bodyabel = spiritual bodyseth = mental body
>>42854761Spewer of false doctrine. Your day will come. >>42854765Oh but I am afraid and you should be too. The Lord is mighty and vengeful. You had better pray
Nobody here has read the Bible not even a psalm or a gospel they havent read anything just shitposting
>>42856371Neither have you unless you've taught yourself Latin. Besides, the Bible isn't for "us" it's for our priests to read, meditate on and translate for us. Translating the Bible was one of the greatest theological crimes in my mind
>>42853063I'm an atheist (well I guess technically an apostate) but I've never really understood these reads on the gospel. If Jesus were a con artist, you'd think it'd be written down *somewhere*. But pretty much every record of him that exists basically just paints him as an ascetic, divine or not. He wore plain clothes, lived with the poor, and showed compassion to nobodies.
>>42854107>semitic deity El, plural Elohim>roman equivalent Saturnthat's all you need to know
>>42856404The only info we really have on him was written by his believers decades after he died, why would they write anything negative about him? He can't have not performed miracles and not be a con artist at the same time. Although this isn't to say he wasn't ascetic and didn't help the poor because he likely did.
>>42852198https://youtu.be/htixqnIHibQ The Anunnaki had been giving plagues to humanity, in an effort to lower their numbers.Enlil, in command of Earth, wielder of lightning bolts, was displeased with Humanity and wanted them gone.Enki, his brother, took pity on humans and secretly taught them to worship only 1 Anunnaki at a time, the one responsible for the current plague, to basically guilt trip them into stopping the plague. This works a few times before Enlil realises what Enki has done and punishes him by causing his power over the waters to flood the people. Enki teaches Ziusudra to build an ark. (This was turned into the Noah story, even down to releasing the birds from the ark and saving animals.)So, Enlil finally agreed to spare the rest of humanity afterwards, allowing disease, child deaths and religious celibacy to control their population numbers.However, Enlil had learned from his brother. He saw how easy the humans were to control when they all worshipped only 1 Anunnaki. He could punish Enki again for his betrayal, and take control of all the Earth, by doing the same.Enlil became Yahweh of Armies, a monotheistic storm-god ruler that declared himself above all other “gods”. Enki was turned into “satan” for giving humanity forbidden knowledge (forbidden fruit)Enlil and Enki.Zeus and Prometheus.Yahweh and Satan.Humans filled in the gaps but the theme remained. A storm-themed entity took over and punished another entity for helping us.There is also the Women in White, a faction of NHI that have influenced human belief systems across the world for thousands of years. They appear as women in white clothing, transform into or associate with bovine animals, give religious prophecy and control UFOs. They have a four-coloured flag that has appeared in almost every belief system.https://youtu.be/JkUrVh8knj8 https://youtu.be/LMv1k49sAM0 https://youtu.be/VlRqTgobV3o https://youtu.be/1Jvr4O7pG9I
>>42852198Because knowledge is a curse that ruins everything, while ignorance is a bliss.The less you know, the better.Imagine how insufferable it must be to be god. Just take the blue pill. The red pill will make your life a living hell.Therefore, naiveness is a blessing. This is the reason why we have no memories of previous lifes, because it would be a nightmare. Imagine how boring and cursed it would be to be born knowing everything.
