but he loves you

>>42852541
If I never tread his path then maybe you would have a point but ahhh its

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>Americans can't fit through the gate even if they're righteous, because they're obese

>>42852549
Pure love.
If you don't believe it you will get tortured.

>>42852595
Not interested, I like someone else.

>>42852541
>>42852549
Not eternally, and the "burns" are self-inflicted, not imposed by someone else.
But everyone eventually passes through.

>>42852563
>mfw goyslop is a deep conspiracy designed to make people's spirits too fat to squeeze into heaven

>>42852541
Breaking bad is a stupid show for pussies

>>42853250
>self inflicted
No, the collective free will of humanity cannot override divine prophecy

>>42852541
Especially the one where he fails to integrate the psyche and animus and instead brings about modern warfare because he was hated for his sake.

>>42853675
I meant in the sense that the suffering is caused by one's own actions, and not by a punishment for them.

>>42852541
>creates souls
No.
You are eternal, as God is eternal, since you are an inseparable part of God.

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Aren't humans suffering right now, though? Yes hell will be worse, but clearly the fact that humans are suffering right now is clear proof that God doesn't want humans to go to hell or the lake of fire. If God wanted humans to go to hell there wouldn't be any curses or suffering in this world and He would let people think that everything is fine between them and God until the judgement comes.

If you willingly choose to reject salvation now out of your own free will, instead choosing to accept evil and injustice as normal, why is it God's fault for creating you? He let you be what you wanted, which is like Satan.

He also lets you be His child if you want to, but doesn't force you. It's completely free and your choice to be a child of Satan, and it's also completely free and your choice to be a child of God. What will you choose?

Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. One day you will stand before Him, and He will judge you.

Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9, given by God, Romans 10:8 & 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Romans 4:5)

Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own works. He atoned for your sins on the cross.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

does the father not correct the son when he strays from the marked path?
why do you think the father above is any different
does the father and his offspring not love him and does so in their best interest
why would the father above be any different
does he not love and provide direction for his children
certainly we are not blind
does he not raise orphans from the dirt who love him even without a father or mothers direction?

The wide gate is the easy way.
Full of thieves, treachers and opportunists waiting for multitude of prey. The lazies get this.

The narrow gate is the difficult way. The job noone wants to do. The route full of pebbles, mountains and problems.
No thief waits there. Not much biz. Not worth the effort.
It's the hardest and safest.

>>42854175
>does the father not correct the son when he strays from the marked path?
correction != eternal torture by immolation
>why do you think the father above is any different
because He intends to torture billions of souls for eternity because they guessed the wrong man-made religion.
A law abiding citizen and a cannibal serial killer burn in same hell for an infinite amount of time as long as they didn't guess the right religion before they died.
Literally a trillion years of suffering in hellfire is not enough for God to calm down and accept one's religion is largely determined by demographics making salvation completely arbitrary.

>>42852541
If you’ve lived your life implicitly stating (through your actions and beliefs) that you want nothing to do with God then when you die he will respect your decision and remove himself from your presence.

As God is the source of everything good, you will be left with only negative emotions and feelings.

The only hard part to understand is that it must be better to exist in hell than to not exist at all. Also, this Reddit tier belief that God tortures you in hell is completely made up. You torture yourself in hell because once the veil has been lifted by dying, you fully and completely understand how badly you fucked up by denying the only being (existence itself) who loves you unconditionally. He loves you so much that he will let you live apart from him if that’s what you want.

To go further, if you’ve lived genuinely believe that Christianity teaches that God tortures the people in hell then you are either completely illiterate or genuinely retarded. Nowhere in the Bible is that stated or even implied, which means you know so little about this religion that you just blindly accept what other retarded Reddit atheists tell you about it, which is pretty stupid.

>>42854735
If you genuinely believe*

>>42852541
And everytime I confront christians and muslims with it they just stop arguing and resort to name calling.

>>42852541
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyRmTVuLd3w

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>>42854144
Dubs but incorrect, read Job again. The true God is as evil as he is good, that is why your sins are forgiven. "God" will gaslight and torture you and if you look him in the eye and call him a fascist and a psycho (like Job) he actually respects it and bestows great things upon you.

>>42852541
Calvinist Retards ITT

>>42852541
ill just pepper these in here without trying much further
sorry im tired but maybe ill answer any reply

freewill
the book of Ezekiel 18:22

>>42855647
Job finally repented from His self righteousness after whining about how God does things and suffering so that's why God blessed him. Job also admitted he was wrong; Job said: "Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not. ... Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes" (Job 42:3, 6).


Job never stole, lied, compromised, cursed etc. He was more righteous than you, but he had a fault known only to God: Job was trusting his works to be justified to God (Job 27:6, Job 32:1-2).

When Job repents like God wanted (Job 42:6), God gives him twice as much as before (Job 42:10)

As long as you think you're good in your pride, you won't accept you're evil. This is the reason why humans suffer, to show they're not right with God, and strip away their pride, motivating them to rely on God, nothing else. God doesn't want people to go to hell, which is why God does this. If God wanted you in hell, He would simply let you think everything is fine, but no, clearly nothing is fine in this corrupted, cursed world. God will destroy this place, and warned you about it, but also gave you a way out due to His mercy:

Rom. 3:23-25: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

>>42857385
>God gives him twice as much as before
Why do you - and God - think any number of children makes up for killing a single one of my children?
Are people so impersonal and interchangeable to you?
If I killed your mother and then a few years later gave you a new on - would you think the death of your mother was A-OK?
What sort of autistic asocial bullshit is that?

>>42857895
You are the one assigning the value of good or bad to certain situations or outcomes. In doing so you are artificially, massively simplifying each situation.

Each event has cosmic results and consequences. Just because something from one certain perspective is assumed one way does not mean all perspectives view the same thing. All life requires death one way or another; this specific differentation is the result of your successive falling from unity to the multitude.

At the end of it, God wants you to return to him. And the more you create these hypothetical, illusionary separations, the further you get. And unfortunately if you have fallen quite far it requires quite a lot to reverse the momentum.

>>42858070
>You are the one assigning the value
Yes. I am sentient. I get to do that.
You do, too, and you are running away from it because it destroys your argument.
Do YOU think you can replace a dead child with a new one?
Yes or no?
Do YOU think a person - even an omnipotent one that knows more than you - can be called "good" if they think living people are replaceable?

>>42858093
Not the poster you think I am.

You are asking loaded questions, and the emotional content you load them with comes from your improper discernment creating division between you and God.

Regardless, I do think all death in this realm is justifiable at the cosmic level. Certainly not at the individual level. But at the level of God, it's a completely meaningless concept. Because God is complete love and unity, and differences like life and death do not exist.

>>42858140
>You are asking loaded questions
I am asking a simple judgement.
It only seems loaded because you KNOW the answer and dont want to say it.
>I do think all death in this realm is justifiable
Not what I asked.
Do YOU think you can replace a dead child with a new one?
Do YOU think a person - even an omnipotent one that knows more than you - can be called "good" if they think living people are replaceable?
Why are you so afraid of answering?

>>42858152
I am answering but you aren't understanding. I am saying, clearly, that God is the unification for all things. That is my definition. Therefore, life and death have no difference. Therefore, your questions are meaningless.

Can X do X? Yes. Is X actually X? Yes. It's all meaningless tautologies.

>>42858163
>I am answering
Quote the answer.
> God is the unification for all things. That is my definition.
No one asked for your definittion of God.
>life and death have no difference.
No one asked if life and death are different.
> Therefore, your questions are meaningless.
Disagree. A definition of God and thinking life and death are the same does not answer whether you think you can replace a dead child with a new one.

Is the answer yes or no?

>>42858174
I answered yes because your question is literally "can X do X". Your question is literally true by definition because you are asking about the nature of God who is the Truth by nature.

God can and will do absolutely everything, by definition. You can either follow the path of light towards unification towards love and truth or follow the path of darkness. Everything else is just illusion and your endless self referential loops that lead nowhere but away from God.

>>42858192
>yes
Then you cannot say God cares for me or any person, because we are interchangeable and our lives are meaningless.

>>42858233
Yes I can because it is only illusion that you are seperate to begin with.

>>42857895
doesnt it say that all who sat at his table before
sat at his table again in the end?
this is why people should refer to physical bibles
they add or omit details like these

>>42858237
>it is only illusion that you are seperate
This means God cannot care about me, a person.
>>42858444
>doesnt it say that all who sat at his table before
>sat at his table again in the end?
Then there must be some distinction between "all those".
they cannot be interchangeable. their lives cannot be meaningless.
Not if God cares.
>this is why people should refer to physical bibles
Dont give a fuck about the Bible.
Think for yourself, parrot.

>>42858576
No shit, dog. Literally no one cares about you as a person. Only you seem to. And that's the grand delusion God is attempting to break.

Your mind is helplessly lashing out with "1+1+1+1=1+1+1+1" and endlessly extending out the ones. It's all mindless complications that lead nowhere. All you have to do is make the successive leaps back towards 1=1 and then finally just 1 and you will be fully integrated, at peace, and one with God.

>>42853250
Yes

>>42858906
Anon says it so clearly here, lets see how egoists will fucking implode for no reason

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>>42857895
No, but if I offered you a gold bar in return for pricking your finger, would you take the offer, even though it causes suffering? Yeah. because the gold bar makes it worth it. In the same way its pretty reasonable to believe that God, who created pleasure, happiness and joy to begin with, can make you happy instead of sad. In other words, He can make a situation that isn't okay, A-OK because He's God and in control.

If you don't want what God wants for you, you can be in Hell:

Job 30:30
“My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.”

If you want the free gift that God wants to give you, you can be in Heaven:

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

>Why do you - and God - think any number of children makes up for killing a single one of my children?

Even an infinite number of children doesn't by itself suddenly take away the pain of losing your child, no, but that's not the point. The point is that God god right with God at the end, and was no longer suffering because God blessed him.

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>>42859196
Job got right with God at the end*

Anyways, humans are suffering in this world to wake them up and show them their need of Jesus Christ, because God doesn't want them in Hell, which is worse than whatever happens on earth. No matter how many children you lose in this world none of can compare to hell, which is why God lets you suffer like this so you would accept what Job accepted, that you can only rely on God, so repent from your self righteousness and accept the truth. >>42854144

>>42858707
All of God's love, in this age, is vested in the righteous life and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Apart from Christ, God loves no man (John 3:16; Rom. 5:8); apart from Christ, the sinner abides in God's wrath (John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”).

Psalms 5:5
“The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.”

Psalms 7:11
“God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.”

Psalms 11:5
“The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.”

>>42854144

>>42858906
>Literally no one cares about you as a person.
Then you lied when you said.
>>42858070
>God wants you to return to him.

>>42859196
>No
Then there is a problem.
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to equate gold with a person? Your child?
Tell me you have never been a parent without telling me.

>>42859695

the image i posted was sarcasm. there are logical and cogent debates as to why, it all goes down the way it does. out of those possible ideas, this isnt one of them.

>>42852541
Not really, strive for the narrow gate and you'll make it through if you behave yourself.

>>42858576
there isnt probably any distinction

even the disciples of Jesus were resurrecting people

someone simply being tossed into a grave containing
i think Elijah's bones came back to life

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>>42853250
>I wind up a toy binocular
>I set it on a desk
>I predict it will walk off the edge
>It does
>WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS TO THEMSELVES??

I think most of religious agony comes from humans virulent need to insert their own morality, and assume God gives a single shit about the losers beyond "oh, more foundation."

People will quote exactly what you're talking about and still claim there is some moral high ground there; that God would be somehow justified going about it this way. They also believe (kek) that they will be among the lucky 5 or so people to make it out of the fire.

Even if it was confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an evil cockhead, people will still worship him. There's nothing anyone can do about it, so since they're more comfortable believing in a mysterious god than a mad one, we have a mysterious god who does horrible things to everyone for good reasons we just can't understand.

If a dictator committed genocide on 1 million people, they would blame the dictator, call him an evil bastard. "Where is God?" Oh, probably watching all this happen with his binoculars, biting his nails to nubs and crying jet-stream tears for those poor souls.

If God personally came down to smush 1 million people with his thumb, they would blame the victims, or explain that this somehow benefits us, ah they probably did some shit in their past lives, but also reincarnation is fake because there's only heaven or hell, and also god does only everything good in the world and bad people are why it's bad.

>>42862444
Losing your child causes suffering. God can delete suffering so that you don't suffer and give you happiness instead. To say that once something bad has happened, it can never be fixed and you are infinitely and permanently ruined because that bad thing happened is stupid, because obviously God is not limited by weakness like humans are since God is infinitely powerful.

https://libraryofrickandria.com/narrow-gate/

>>42862790
>there isnt probably any distinction
Then God doesnt care.
It is liteally the same as if someone just wanted the biomatter of people's body.
They really care about getting all the mass blended into a goo, but the person and their life is meaningless and interchangeable.
>>42865004
>God can delete suffering
I didnt ask that.
I asked if one person can replace another.
You seem to think that is true.
If mom giving you tendies was killed, you would be perfectly fine with any other person stepping in and bringing you tendies.
I find that to be abhorrent.
If that is what Christianity is - which i dont think is true - then you are a blight on the world.

>>42865601
You're trying to convince a zealot that their programming is wrong.

These idiots cannot see how their own argument defeats itself. When they try to create a boundary between the bad and good (like God is truth and love, not lies and hate) then they show they aren't talking about God but an abstraction they have created to mould God into something they want it to be. If there is evil, lies, suffering etc in the world and God is definitionally the whole Petri dish then God in its rawest most complete form is also those things.

Things like having a pedophile elite, 5 million children a year starve to death and that systems are progressed through death and suffering is all because God designed them in that way and wanted it to be that way. Any serious religious person owns that God wants the world to be in its current state without creating bullshit reasons or abstractions to justify the seemingly negative judgements you make about that God as a result of it.

>>42865692
>convince a zealot
More that I'm forcing them to proclaim their own contradictions.
It wont change them, but others can read the posts as well.
they have to maintain
>God loves you and cares about you
along with
>God sees your life as meaningless and you as completely replaceable with any other person
And anyone with a shred of humanity can see how incompatible those claims are.

>>42852541
Once you notice how the abrahamic "god" sounds like a middle eastern man you can't unsee it