that's because occult is gay, ugly and retarded

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>>42887760
>To this day I have never actually seen a so-called occultist that looked or felt powerful.

I agree. Even some very popular spiritual cult leaders that have THOUSANDS fawn over them are most of the time ugly, out of shape and destroyed by aging.

And these people and their minions will immediately go into damage control mode "UMM IF UR MAGICALLY OR SPIRITUALLY POWERFUL U DONT CARE ABOUT SILLY SUPERFICIAL THINGS LIKE AGING OR UR LOOKS"... insane cope hahaha anyone who can master reality or actually have powers could simply regenerate and adjust their physical bodies to reflect their inner power and harmony. Do they think Gods or angels are fat, ugly and aging? Get real.

>>42887760
Kek
What u wanna do?

>>42887771
>anyone who can master reality or actually have powers
the problem you and OP have is confusing spiritual for mystical.
OP at least is specifically looking for the mystical, but you both are confusing those asserting spiritual positions which should be viewed with a different value set.

>To this day I have never actually seen a so-called occultist that looked or felt powerful.
what about e.a. koetting?

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>>42887760
What about older authors like Agrippa, Paracelsus, Eliphas Levi, Albert Pike and Plotinus? Those people at least had interesting lives. I think some modern and contemporary authors do have that magnetic quality, like Manly P. Hall and John Michael Greer.

>>42887817
Spiritual OR mystical people who are ugly and aging like shit have no grip on reality or their own bodies.

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>>42887817
You can be mystical and spiritual and also watch your diet and do push ups every once in a while. I don't expect them to look like models but not being an obese, dirty retard would be a good start.
Also, it's not even about looks necessarily but about magnetism as well. Sometimes you hear someone talk and they just have "it". Maybe they're otherwise unremarkable, but there's just something about them that draws you in when they speak. No occultists have that either when you watch podcasts with them.

There's a guy called Michael Cecchetelli that published a bunch of grimoires and also used the be the leader of a pretty big gang in the US called the Latin Kings. I guess that's one form of power.

>>42887760
>>turns out the author is some fat gay ugly retard
>every time.
False. Sometimes they're gay, scrawny, pale, ugly retards. See e.g. Styxx Hexenfaggot.

>>42887911
Yes, spiritual people very often do not appear to have "a grip on reality." They see above it.
>>42887928
You could, but why?
Why should they care how you think they look at all?
>No occultists
Mysticism is not spirituality.
As I said, at least OP knew to search for mystics, and not spiritual, but they still confuse the two as you two are.

>>42887760
Truth comes in many vessels.
If you're only interested in hearing from attractive people, you'll be losing out on a lot of wisdom.

>>42888176
>Yes, spiritual people very often do not appear to have "a grip on reality." They see above it.

Being beautiful and healthy is from the higher realms though, so no. Almost every person undergoing a near death experience or interacting with the divine or souls of body on that plane will describe them as glowing, beautiful, appearing in physical prime (even outside of their bodies) and the realms to be of gorgeous beauty.

So yes, beauty is part of the above. Ugly shit, aging, decay and fatness are not.

>>42887760
At least books from fat gay ugly retards may have some interesting content.
In 2026:
>Look for books.
>15.943 results
>All generated with AI by indians

>>42888298
Vanity isn't a virtue

>>42888298
>Being beautiful and healthy is from the higher realms though
"Higher" does not mean spiritual. There are plenty of higher realms that are still material.

>>42887760
That's because you are awakened. You ever open a video and you know within 6 seconds some New Age faggot is gonna say some stupid ass shit. That's what being awakened is.

>>42888659
I dunno. The Buddah was notoriously handsome and fit.

>>42888739
That's what self-fulfilled prophecy looks like.

>>42888751
I am saying there is no correlation, not that the correlation is reversed.
A mystical person I agree should not claim to have these powers without a result.
Spirituality is not about having powers, and I would not expect a spiritual person to have any specific type of body - slobbish or toned.

>>42888659
>There are plenty of higher realms that are still material.

Name some higher realms that are material and has average or ugly looking fat people walk around.

>>42888589
Wanting to be like God (= beautiful) and not an ugly fuck is indeed a virtue.

>>42888790
>Name some higher realms that are material and has average or ugly looking fat people walk around.
Not my point but fine - the sapta-rshis.
MY point is that the people coming to greet them are not necessarily spiritual, either. It doesnt matter that they are "higher realm" - that is not how to tell a being is spiritual.

>>42888798
>sapta-rshis.
Where are these guys fat and ugly? How are these guys a realm?

>>42887771
>very popular spiritual cult leaders
That guy is a rapist and a bad person (like every cult leader duh)

>>42888864
NTA but it seems you wish to construct some arbitrary bar to exclude others who may have something more to offer than you.
And you draw the line using an arbitrary metric that almost no one agrees on. Beauty can be gifted at birth, and needn't even be worked at in youth. Cherish it, fine. Hold others that do not have it in contempt? Not fine. Bearing false witness in order to justify this conceit? Cursed behavior.

>>42888589
Wanting to be healthy to live longer isnt vanity. It's being alive.
And being good looking is very closely tied to the physical as well as psychic. If you're fit and in good shape, your mind works better, you're free to explore your mind without it being clogged by processed chemicals and bullshit.
T. lost 125lbs over 3 years, now life has actually begun

>>42888879
You guys are demented if you see a lack of beauty not as part of the cursed, inferior world. God, angels, the afterlife, all of these places are (majority) described as gorgeous and beautiful to behold. Not as average, dull, "not beautiful" or awe inducing. Beauty is divine. Not seeking beauty is earth-bound.

>>42888786
>Spirituality is not about having powers
I literally is though. Magical power is proportional to the spiritualization of the soul. That means spiritually advanced people by definition have certain abilities. If you don't have those abilities, it means you're not very advanced, no matter what you think or how much knowledge you have. Tough pill to swallow, I know.

>>42888786
Most magic books from the 60's and 70's say that to advance with the intentions to change the world around you in magickal ways, one is supposed to be in great physical shape

>>42888891
Self-discipline is virtuous. Health is (usually) the result of such a thing.
Anons in here are claiming "ugly" people (people they are not attracted to due to inherited and unalterable traits) are the result of a lack of divinity. Asinine. Some of the most "beautiful" of today are vapid and shallow and have literally aligned with the devil himself lol. Material beauty is a metric for sexual desire and procreation and nothing more. It's image restoration.

>>42888898
This is a narcissistic take. You were born with good genes and want to grant an extra title along with the one you received at birth: divine.
You wish. It takes more than beauty, and can even exist in its absence.
Flesh is fleeting and proof of nothing but genetics and self-discipline, divinity is in another category.

>>42888944
You type as if you know you're the ugliest mfer ever lol cmon it cant be that bad
Also magic is esentially making people do what you want them to so if you're ugly you just gotta double up on your charisma and lean more into sigils wishful thinking cause real magic isnt for you

Im 300lbs and i dont care, once i transcend and learn true magic ill just go back in time and save myself from getting a heart attack at 32

>>42888949
Magic? I don't know from magic.
Divinity I can speak on and those two are different things.
One is deceit and spellcasting, and one draws with the warmth of sincerity and grace.

>>42888944
>This is a narcissistic take.

Yeah sure buddy. Wanting to be closer to your true self and not succumbing to your ugly meat shell is narcissistic. Whatever helps you sleep at night, lil uggo.

>>42887914
kek
I think he overdosed on meth in 2023 and transcended 3rd density tiktok.

>>42888981
You simultaneously want to frame your vanity as something higher, a divine goal to reach, but then say things like "succumbing to your meat shell."
You're constructing a material image with decaying ingredients. Sleep well on that.

>>42888990
Let me put it into perspective for you. If your true self and home are incredibly clean... and Earth is struggling with dirt... then you attempting to keep your place clean on Earth, even if it can't compete with the level of purity you have in your true home - you are still attempting or getting a little closer to that.

If you just succumb to filth or say "whatever its vain and obsessed to care so much about purity and clean surroundings!" you can do that if you want lil bro, but don't pretend it is closer to what your true home or self is like.

>>42889002
I never said succumb to filth.
I even granted self-discipline as virtuous.
I pushback against physical beauty as proof of the divine or lack thereof.

>>42889012 (me)
In simpler terms: The devil lifts weights too.

>>42888870
I don't know who he is but he has evil eyes.

>>42888864
>Where are these guys fat and ugly?
Closest visual you will get are likely the naga babas.
>How are these guys a realm?
It is the realm above the deva heavens where those dedicated to silent meditation go.>>42888898
>You guys are demented if you see a lack of beauty not as part of the cursed, inferior world.
I didnt say that.
I said physical beauty is not a determinant of spirituality.
> Beauty is divine.
Thinking "beauty" in this means physical appearance is demonic in nature.
>>42888913
>Magical power is proportional to the spiritualization of the soul.
No. Mysticism is about the subtle workings of the material and can be attained without any spiritual advancement.
>>42888929
A mystical person I agree should not claim to have these powers without a result.
Spirituality is not about having powers, and I would not expect a spiritual person to have any specific type of body - slobbish or toned.

>>42888786
>>42888913
In Buddhism siddhis considered 'side effects' and should be viewed as a sign of once progress, not to be displayed publicly as a spectacle. And you shouldn't fancy yourself a great magician or master if you attain them, building up an ego.

>Both words share the same linguistic root sidh, which means "to be successful" or "to attain an object". While Siddhartha represents the seeker on a personal quest to find the ultimate truth, siddhi represents the milestones, capabilities, or complete realization achieved along that spiritual path

>>42889012
>I pushback against physical beauty as proof of the divine or lack thereof.

But it literally is proof. Either the person lacks the sense of their true self which is beautiful and surrounded by beauty OR they are aware, but too weak and powerless to change it. And being a victim of this shitty flesh world isn't really a very divine state either, even if most of us find themselves in that situation.

>>42889049
>naga babas

Nigga what are you talking about? I don't talk about fat people on Earth, I asked you which higher realm outside of Earth has ugly fat people in it.

>It is the realm above the deva heavens where those dedicated to silent meditation go.

Where is that info from? When I look that word up it describes the sapta-rshis as seven seers, not as a realm. And where are these seers in that realm described as ugly and fat?

>Thinking "beauty" in this means physical appearance is demonic in nature.

Thinking physical beauty or the beauty of our surroundings (nature, places) is irrelevant is demonic. Now what? It's literally the most cucked shit ever to accept being ugly instead of insisting on your birth right and true self, who is beautiful and not limited to being a fat meat blob. So getting as close to harmony and health and symmetry as possible is demonic... sure whatever helps you sleep at night. kek

>>42889084
>In Buddhism siddhis considered 'side effects' and should be viewed as a sign of once progress
That's nice. Buddhism does not concern itself with the eternal realm - seeing it as completely indescribable and focsing instead on the interdependent - so all of what it talks about in my view is not spiritual.
Siddhis are mystical, and not a sign of spirituality.
Many demons have had great mystic powers.
>>42889141
>I asked you which higher realm outside of Earth has ugly fat people in it.
And I told you.
>When I look that word up it describes the sapta-rshis as seven seers, not as a realm.
The seven seers have their own realm. You didnt look very hard.
>
Thinking physical beauty or the beauty of our surroundings (nature, places) is irrelevant is demonic.
I never said it was irrelevant. I said it does not correlate to spirituality.
Why do you have such a hard time addressing what I said and not whatever strawman you want?
>to accept being ugly
You think you are ugly if the body you are in is ugly?
So you dont even know the very first and central understanding of spirituality.

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>>42889276
It doesn't concern itself with what is ultimately empty and impermanent, so why give magical abilities importance when they're simply the result of seeing through the illusion.

>>42889308
>why give magical abilities importance
I'm not, and I dont care if Buddhists do - they are wrong to do so.
But OP was asking about mysticism, and getting spirituality mixed in with it.

>>42889141
What of the unfaithful seductress?
Her physical beauty is undeniable, is she divine in her whoredom?

>>42889276
>The seven seers have their own realm. You didnt look very hard.

I am still waiting of the evidence that these seers are fat and ugly in that higher realm and that people witness this.

>You think you are ugly if the body you are in is ugly?

Yes, you are surrounded by ugliness. Your are partaking in ugliness. Hope this helps!

>>42889352
Who is the unfaithful seductress? You mean random human whores?

>>42889394
You can wait forever; you miss the point completely. I'm not going to spoonfeed you, you can go look up the descriptions of their hair and forms - matted and unkempt and completely unconcerned with appearance.
>Yes
Then you are a fool with no understanding of spirituality.
Continue to be deluded.

>>42889417
I'm looking at illustrations of "Saptarishis" and I still don't see any fat and ugly people. A matted top-knot doesn't make someone fat and ugly. So you just lied. Thanks for wasting my time.

>Then you are a fool with no understanding of spirituality.

Yeah, stay cucked bro. And definitely never read near death experiences which happen in every culture regardless of religion, age, belief or gender. And people distinctively saying how ugly Earth is compared to the spirit realm and how depressing that is. Totally not spiritual though! Being ugly and not brushing your hair is totally spiritual.

>>42889446
>I'm looking at illustrations
Yes, material people think great souls must look a certain way - because they are not spiritual.
>near death experiences
Are just a part of samsara.
You are completely ignorant, and want to remain so.

>>42889452
>Yes, material people think great souls must look a certain way - because they are not spiritual.

You argued that they are proof of ugly and fat people in higher realms. You can't back it up, because you just made it up and lied because the seers you meant are not described as "fat and ugly" anywhere I looked. If you have better sources please post them and prove me wrong.

>Are just a part of samsara.

Nope. Samsara is just a made up religious and spiritual concept.
You can't even argue against that because you have even less proof that samsara is real than the NDE people have their experiences are real.

>>42887760
+++
>is also a transvestite or something along those lines

>>42887760
Most of the time the way someone looks on the outside (bodily) reflects how they look on the inside (spiritually). This of course isn't always the case but it's seems common to me.

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>>42887760
>occultists are gay, ugly, and retarded
Do you understand how often Crowley took dick up his own ass and allowed his own daughter to perish in filth? And you still go to these people who try to emulate him?

>>42887760
beauty indicates high spirituality acquired in previous lifetimes. since our memories are wiped before incarnation, most beautiful people squander their spiritual gifts or are completely unaware of them due to materialism being promoted everywhere all the time. it's possible these unattractive cult leaders have done work in this life and have slightly more knowledge than the average person, but as you say, most are frauds. true wisdom doesn't seek profit, validation or the need to explain to others at all, because at the highest level no one not on that level could understand it.

Obesity as a moral failing instead of a sign of abundance is ridiculously modern. There's a reason shit like the Beijing bikini persisted into the modern age in countries were dying of famine is still a living memory.

>>42887764
>occult is gay, ugly and retarded
occultists dont think it be that way but it do

>>42888870
Not every cult leader is evil and a rapist

>>42887760
The LHP needs plastic surgery and a gym membership. But even then they'd be annoying to hang out with.

>>42887760
Freemartins are the only men allowed to be successful in this world. They also seem to be more inclined to evil, but I don't wanna generalize.

>>42890298
Unc isn't showing his belly because he's proud of it, he just doesn't have any shame and wants a little air flow. But that's not really related to the epidemic of obese slobs we have today. Getting a little pudgy in the past meant you had access to luxury, but even then becoming a giant glutton was still looked at as poor self regulation.

>>42889401
See how you squirm?
You're a human chasing beauty and you claim beauty is proof of the divine.
But when I show a scenario of a beautiful woman acting to the contrary, you use her humanity as the excuse.
Just admit beauty is not proof of divinity, no need to quibble like this.

>>42892517
The beautiful seductress is closer to the divine than the ugly seductress, so it actually proves my point that ugly = further away from God. Hope this helps!

>>42887760
isnt someone that looks like that is banging lots of women proof that the occult works?

>>42892520
Lol you don't even elaborate anything.
Just make baseless claims and then throw your own victory parade.
Helped a lot, thanks!

>>42892520
also you moved the goalpost like a rat
the claim wasn't the uglier you are, the further from God you are
it was that material beauty is proof of divinity

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>>42887760
>Gustavo Adolfo Rol blocks your path
This guy was aura maxxing and you can't deny it

>>42892649
>>42892654
Ugly peoples are demons and likely you are both demons for trying to refute this

>>42892649
>>42892654
I elaborated countless time in this thread and gave several examples. You are literally having an uggo meltdown. NO ONE who is beautiful would get this asshurt over the fact that the divine realm and God are pure beauty. The further you are from beauty (in every way) the further you are from God. Beauty can come in many shapes, not just physical beauty, but the beauty of your body is part of the beauty spectrum.

>>42892690
>people maimed by a sadistic stranger are demons
you're a demon, i'm afraid

>>42892761
>>42892761
>I elaborated countless time in this thread and gave several examples
could've easily pointed to a solitary example
>>42892761
>You are literally having an uggo meltdown
Calmer than you are dude. Just taking your hypocrisy to its conclusion with autistic efficiency while you do nothing but hurl childish insults.
>The further you are from beauty (in every way) the further you are from God
>>42892761
>Beauty can come in many shapes, not just physical beauty
Nice hedging. It goes from material beauty is proof to weeellll it's on a spectrum and comes in many shapes and sizes. Dishonesty.

You lie.

The crime you commit you'll pay for.

>>42892784
>could've easily pointed to a solitary example

Because you're too lazy to read a thread? So you are ugly and lazy? Tough life. Anyway here:
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>>42889141
>>42888298

>>42892784
> Just taking your hypocrisy to its conclusion

I am not a hypocrite because you're too retarded to read.

>It goes from material beauty is proof to weeellll it's on a spectrum and comes in many shapes and sizes.

Point out in this thread where I said even ONCE that physical beauty is the only type of beauty.

>>42892797
>Point out in this thread where I said even ONCE that physical beauty is the only type of beauty.
It doesn't matter whether or not you think there are several types of beauty. You've claimed several times that physical beauty is proof of divinity and refuse to back down even when cornered. So you pivot to OTHER types of beauty to save face, which refutes your own original argument and strengthens mine.

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>>42892805
Yes and physical beauty (health, harmony, symmetry) are part of our divine heritage.

In almost every near death experience or psychic connection the surroundings, buildings, colors and people are described as beautiful to behold. In their utmost prime, symmetrical, glowing and flawless. I remember one guy saying that when he returned from his NDE even looking at our earthly sunrise depressed him because at how ugly it appeared to the colors he saw in the afterlife.

Being fat, ugly, out of symmetry, decaying and flawed is all shit from this realm. If you remember your true self and home you'd crave and miss its beauty, instead of becoming a "humble" earth cuck and kneeling down to its ugliness and flaws. You can shit yourself and cry as much as you want about that, it's true.

> So you pivot to OTHER types of beauty to save face

Nope. I have never once in this thread said or implied that physical beauty is the only type of beauty.
You are literally just making shit up because you lost.
I said that someone who is powerful or close to the divine wouldn't be physically ugly (or accept being physically ugly) however, that is correct.

>>42892811
But are you cute irl?

try the amazing atheist

>>42892816
Whats so amazing about him?

>>42892815
That's subjective but I am cute enough to get attention. However, I do not claim to be powerful because I am not. I have the awareness that this Earth is ugly and wrong, including my body, but I do not have the power to ascend to the beauty that I crave. I suppose I will only get it when I die.

>>42892811
>Being fat
Another pivot. Ugliness in material terms can be things that aren't actively chosen.
Is a man with a small head or big nose lesser because his parents lack geometric symmetry?
Did God do that to him in your mind?
Does God love him less as a result?
Asinine.

>>42892811
>I have never once in this thread said or implied that physical beauty is the only type of beauty
And I have never once made that accusation of you, so stop with the strawman.
Say material beauty alone is not proof of divinity and I'll go away.

>>42892822
Arent you just an artistminded bloke chasing aesthetics?

>>42892823
>And I have never once made that accusation of you, so stop with the strawman.

You did. You called me dishonest when I said that I never claimed that physical beauty is the only kind of beauty.

>Another pivot. Ugliness in material terms can be things that aren't actively chosen.

If a person is unable to assert their will into this realm and remains a victim of it, a flesh puppet who is doomed to be physically ugly, then they are a victim and weak. This isn't a very divine state either. Mind you, this thread is about people who claim to be SPECIAL or to HAVE POWERS AND INSIGHT. I don't care if a random person is weak and ugly, but people who claim they are enlightened, powerful or close to the divine don't get that pass.

>>42892824
No.

>>42892820
nothing

>>42892828
>You called me dishonest when I said that I never claimed that physical beauty is the only kind of beauty.
You're being dishonest there because you abandoned your original argument to make that claim. You were cornered and changed the subject.

>If a person is unable to assert their will into this realm and remains a victim of it, a flesh puppet who is doomed to be physically ugly, then they are a victim and weak.
So in your foolish mind the man with plastic surgery is closer to God than the man who finds his path with his flaws? Vain blasphemy.

>this thread is about people who claim to be SPECIAL or to HAVE POWERS AND INSIGHT
ANOTHER pivot. Now the bar is celebrities and magicians lol. Repent.

>>42892828
I do think character influences looks at a degree, but I also look very standard issue.
I suppose it does help to say I do lhp dark stuff? It helps my spirit, but doesnt give me a tatoo...

>>42892830
Idk, I watched venomfangx back in the day, it always clicked wrong how a turbocringestian used that handle...
Also I was rhp (Golden Dawn/Crowley style) high magick back then, albeit a mage, not a catholic or sum shite...

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>argue in this thread about ugliness not being divine
>open my phone to watch some gaming clips (completely unrelated to the paranormal stuff)
>newest video today from a channel I follow has this character highlighted

Huh. What did God mean by this...

:^)

>>42892854
he meant your behavior
>about ugliness not being divine
no you said beauty was proof of the divine, worm

>>42892840
>You're being dishonest there because you abandoned your original argument to make that claim.

You realize that because I didn't mention other forms of beauty (when they were not the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD) is not the same as denying their existence? If you want to accuse me of being dishonest you need to provide proof that I made or even implied that exclusive claim, you can't. Because you are making shit up.

>So in your foolish mind the man with plastic surgery is closer to God than the man who finds his path with his flaws? Vain blasphemy.

In the regard of beauty, he would be closer to God. Correct. Perhaps even in other ways, if God blessed this man with the time and money and good fortune to pull this off, while he denies and tortures others.

>ANOTHER pivot. Now the bar is celebrities and magicians lol. Repent.

Pivot? It is literally THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD. Seek help bro.

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>>42892858
Nope. My position is that ugliness is not divine and then immediately this video popped up on my phone. God is siding with me. Uggos malding. It is what it is.

>>42892861
>if God blessed this man with the time and money and good fortune to pull this off, while he denies and tortures others.
Now God grants money directly lol. It was God's will that people get rich with cash. My goodness gracious.

>It is literally THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.
Which you only appealed to after you lost the argument...
It was fine to respond when you thought you were right.

Say material beauty alone is not sufficient proof of divinity and I'll go away.

>>42892872
>Now God grants money directly lol. It was God's will that people get rich with cash. My goodness gracious.

Oh yeah, for sure. God is in everything and omnipresent and omnipotent. That's my belief, you don't have to agree with that neither do I have to adopt your beliefs. Many people try very hard and still fail or get sick. Some people don't try nearly as hard and just get lucky. Really makes you think.

>Which you only appealed to after you lost the argument...

My very first comment in this thread was about occultists or spiritual people who claim to be powerful. I even linked you several.

You can't read. You are hallucinating and you got BTFO so hard that you refuse to even engage with what is being written.

>>42892876
Say material beauty alone is not sufficient proof of divinity and I'll go away.

>>42892876
>Oh yeah, for sure.
Can't believe God sided with the Rothschilds.
What a perverse worldview.

>>42892883
Of course not. Material beauty alone is ABSOLUTELY not sufficient proof of divinity and I never lived my life thinking this way. I'd rather surround myself with people who have a beautiful mind and heart than beautiful looks. But a truly divine person would have all of it, is my opinion. And we all do (allegedly) once we leave our bodies.

>>42892893
Just take a look at nature and see the chaos, suffering and cruelty in there. It should be very clear that God is a troll and doesn't just favor the kind and meek.