Have any of you gnostic kiddies ever considered that maybe... it's just not literal? It's not that complicated. Have you considered the much more simple explanation that the prison reality is the social reality constructed by humans and that it's completely fixable, but still hard because most people are too dumb to understand that humanity is its own organism separate from the whims of people? You need to get a little more series if you want to beat this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentinianism
>>42888324you just ignored everything I typed
>>42888318>is the social reality constructed by humans and that it's completely fixableI don't think you recognize one important trait of humans - their thoughts are not theirs all the time. Spirits influence your thoughts and actions on a regular basis. Where you are in life and what you have are because of them, not just you.
>>42888318bro wtf, i literally wanted to make a post about this. literally, what a synchronicity
>>42888333and have you considered it's possible that spirits are born out of human activity rather than the other way around? The Demiurge might as well be a metaphor for the collective evil of humanity, while Monad is the universe. The more in tune you are with humanity's reality the more you grow out of touch with the real reality. Someone must have noticed by now>>42888334What was your idea
>>42888318There are different layers of illusion and "reality", even without any supernatural stories involved.This is somehow related (and quite interresting):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCxerOrNJn0
>>42888318This is how I feel about it too. But muh "prison planet" is a fad for Jezebels who really like the idea of being God's personal cock sleeve. Not much to fix, unfortunately.
>>42888330You basically just described what valentinians believe and are essentially arguing in favor of achieving gnosis.
>>42888360Not OP, but I am reading through the article right now and enjoying itThe/your issue, also here in the world, is the total presence of "what" before "why" and "how". So, you can drop a name with it's authority, but it won't be received because it's only authority in name, not idea or principle. Now if he were curious, he would find and receive it.
>>42888342>spirits are born out of human activityThey could be, but it won't make a difference and the current state is not fixable due to this. I'm not even talking about the demiurge, just the archons. The archons complicate things and spread hate and discontent to the point that a fix of human caused issues won't change much.You should understand I'm not 100% gnostic. Why don't we make the best of things through comedy and charity and make it not like a prison planet. You would be fighting the archons doing this but people do that anyway.
>>42888348I think reality is a simulation but not in a literal way, because human society is a complex simulation superimposed onto universal reality.The reason people think we're inside a computer simulation is just plain old latching onto new technologies and a lack of imagination to consider there are less sensational and more undetectable types of simulations that are possible. You can take The Matrix movie and literally replace the technology of "the matrix" with human society and it still conceptually works because creating fake realities is one of humanity's oldest inventions and we never needed any technology to do it.
>>42888318I hear the spirit world. Most of it is archons or archon-like entities. To think our issues are only human caused is an uneducated assumption. Unironically the archons want us to think everything is human caused, it keeps us fighting amongst ourselves.
>>42888318 Yeah it's absolutely literal. Gnosticism isn't for people like you who rot and play games in this retarded loosh farm. Enjoy building your perfect goytopia. It'll collapse anyway. Things have to change. This is the law. There's no fixing anything.
>>42888382Okay, but technically killing all evil people (even if they are 99.9% of humanity) is something that's completely physically achievable. Clearly there's no actual restriction in reality to do it. If you have no society-sick people left, what's bad about the world at that point? There's no intentional torture in this reality if you remove the anti-human people, therefore it's all human-derived. Therefore it's doable, even if it's insurmountably hard
>>42888378I think the idea is strongest too, at the current moment, due to generational tension. EVERYONE's parents were doing and had cool things to do: horse riding, diving clubs, etc. All of those cool things cost money and require an invested manager. They don't exist anymore.But now, there are videogames, and at least zoomers on the majority grew up as "internet natives". So, the real reality has been gutted and replaced with a fake one. You could go on and on really, throw in AI I guess. Technology is only guilty of how it's used by it's operator, the potential to do good purchases itself with also the potential to do harm. The reverse can be said for weapons.
>>42888383Why do you have to be such a buzz kill. What's wrong with not trying to escape and making the best of things? It's all a divine game anyway that doesn't matter that much. Who said you can escape and that the existence of an escapee is somehow better than a game piece?
>>42888395>killing all evil people is something that's completely physically achievable.Sounds like a Jewish concept that is completely unachievable for one main reason - you don't have access to the truth so it's pretty much impossible to determine who is evil and who isn't. What would happen if you tried that would be the archons would confuse you to kill good people. Even if archons didn't do that you would still kill good people by mistake.Also this wouldn't eliminate evil, it would just reduce it. Evil is not a a predetermined state, everyone is capable of evil. It wouldn't disappear.
>>42888395>There's no intentional torture in this reality if you remove the anti-human peopleIncorrect. Pic related.
>>42888419As resourced dwindle, the planet becomes more unlivable, and forced social structures collapse you will see pro-social people cooperate while performative social cutthroats decay as individuals. I think it's easy to despair and think that change is impossible when you live in one of the most evil times in history and believe that change is impossible but the current situation is just unsustainable.This isn't even an attempt to soothe you, it's just that due to the unique circumstances of our times we saw how dysfunctional the social structures of evil people truly are when given completely power and allowed to be pushed to their absolute limits. Evil truly cannot sustain itself, as some kind of metaphysical failsafe.
>>42888434see >>42888342
>>42888402 It's pointless. Humans don't control shit. All those "bad" people you point at are puppets of forces beyond human comprehension. Your fixes are temporary. Things have to change in the end, and change destroys the old. Every utopia, society, ideology must fall. This is the law.
>>42888442Okay but what will happen and when will it happen, though?I can name a few, but I think you should go first.
>>42888442and another thing: you will find that evil people can only really thrive in societies that are built in a way where people are structurally forced to coexist. Exploiters and harassers can only thrive in artificial social structures where nothing can be done about them. In a real situation where there is no institutional coercion to coexist those people just get thrown out. You confuse the unique times we live in to be the hard set rules across all of time when this is just an outcome of the urbanization of the planet. Cities have always been dens of low-trust exploitation, and now for the first time ever the entire planet is one big city. Cities are not the natural state of being for humans and never have been
>>42888442I disagree with about everything you said. The social cut throats will continue to have roles of power. I don't think this is the most evil time ever, but it is pretty evil. This is making you think things are unsustainable but for the most part things are.I don't think that change is impossible, I think you won't get the intended results if you employ the methods you described. Evil can't sustain itself without good and vis versa, like I said it's a game. But the way things are set up now we have another thousand years of evil.
>>42888457Such a buzz kill. Combat evil with comedy and fun things. Get out of here with your societal collapses.
>>42888469Things are unsustainable because we built too many complex systems, have too many people, are running out of the resources sustaining some of those systems, and are running out of the people that understand and run those systems. That combination of circumstances is at its most extreme across all of history at this very moment. If you know anything about infrastructure you would know it's unsustainable because right now the entire global human civilization is like a huge organism with way too many organs and way too weak of a constitution. Every time something breaks it can be catastrophic
>>42888476 Cope. It's the observable truth and it doesn't matter if you accept it. Like I said, gnosticism isn't for you. Get back to your hylic activities and build the goytopia you so crave. Just don't larp as a gnostic.
>>42888487>Things are unsustainable because we built too many complex systems, have too many people, are running out of the resources sustaining some of those systems, and are running out of the people that understand and run those systems.Technology prevents those things becoming realized issues. 100 years ago we could not feed the current world's population given our farmland, but with synthetic fertilizer we can. The Things are currently unsustainable but will change so they don't become issues. None of that requires the elimination of evil. Evil will exist on this world forever as the purpose of this world is a game of good vs evil. You're chasing a fantasy. Please ween yourself off the incorrect jewish assumption that things are 100% good or evil. Things are like pic related. You will gain more trying to bring out the good in evil than you will trying to eliminate evil.
>>42888515Can you even change it?
>>42888343THIS YOU CANT FIX WHAT ISNT BROKEN THIS ILLUSIONS EVILIS APART OF ITS NATURE LIKE PSYCHOPATHY BEING GENETIC
>>42888318Have you considered the demiurge would say such a thing cause he a big fat fucking troll????
>>42888515>>42888529Bud, can you change it? How? How do you know you will have the intended results? You likely don't have the power to change anything the demiurge put into effect. Why not ignore him and try to have a good time?
>>42888318As above so below. The micro is a reflection of the macro. So if it's true at the socal level it would also be reflected at the cosmic level.And you don't have to take the gnostic mythology literally. It's a tool like all mythology to teach you a greater truth. Interpreting myth as literally true is a modern Christian thing.Almost all religions describe the samsara wheel and define the goal as escaping it. Buddhism has Nirvana, Hinduism Moksha, The gnostics Gnosis, If you read Timaeus it's living by virtue and philosophy. Abrahamics are the only ones who don't follow the truth of reality, and the earliest forms of Christianity did include it and it was denied.
>>42888605>Wut do? Ascend to godhood. There is no other option.
>>42888816>Ascend to godhoodSounds great. And how do you do that? Deciding not to reincarnate? Lol, lmao even.
>>42888442>Evil truly cannot sustain itselfit worked on Arslychusyou'd reincarnate to polish the same row of bricks again next lifetimeit was so efficientthe grey aliens tried it here but instead they created the baby boomers by mistake
>>42888318My two cents:for me the world is built as a prison or some sort of ritual passage for our pneumatic souls, but the demiurge used the Pleroma geometric language and logic to build it. We are therefore able to understand it and even fix it to some extent, like a inmate can use furniture to make his cell look like a comfy home (traditional society with its rituals, golden standard based Art and Architecture, even landscaping and agriculture, are all Ordo brought by us into this world). Archontic forces destroy that furniture tho (subversion, cultural marxism, degenerate art and ugliness), turning the world into an even worse prison than it was at the beginning (they add misery and ugliness to what initially was just pain and fear). We're basically like early australian colonisers: condemned to prison (the material world), exiled from our homeland (Pleroma), but able to create a decent place by bringing Ordo Ab Chao. Archons and jews are the chaos bringers instead, and they want us to fall even further.If some of you experts know the name of this theory please tell me. I guess it's somehow similar to Rudolf Steiner's but Idk really
>>42888515Don't get it twisted buddy you belong to a serpent cult too
>>42888318>any of you gnostic kiddies ever considered that maybe... it's just not literal?No and i dont plan to consider it.The Demiurge's chosen people(the jews) rule the world and make life more miserable every second, been the case for the last 3k years.There are hylics, psychics and pneumatics, which doesnt reflect their social standing, but rather, their biological perception of reality.Also i have personal spiritual experiences which affirm out of body experiences and astral entities But again, its typical of a material goyim such as you to hit us up with "LE PEEPOO YOU ARE SHIZO BRO"generate more loosh, tard. makes no difference to me, you are literally an inanimate object and you will expire along with your neurotransmitters when you die
>>42892330>generate more loosh, tardWait, can hylics produce loosh?Also, what do you think of my theory here >>42892297
>>42892330you sound mad
I don't believe you.You will pay for your crimes.
what if the belief that you're trapped in a fake reality is actually the fake (mental) reality that's designed to trap you because of how appealing the idea sounds
>>42892330>you are literally an inanimate object and you will expire along with your neurotransmitters when you dieWhat a moronic concept. Is this what zoomers tell themselves because they feel like special snowflakes? That others are souless based on zero observations and zero logic, just a desire to feel special?
>>42888318No, it's complicated. Societal push and hush is just part of it, not the whole. There WAS a memiurge, and I say was because the currently upholding the title "thing" is an illusion cast by the church to fleece niggas. We killed him, we breached too, currently there's several Chaos leaks. Mostly you've just figured the societal aspect, but there's more. But you don't have to take my word for it. In any case, you're not supposed to escape, as there's gonna be a merger.Our ships will arrive eventually, much like our beacon 3i Atlas came. Cannot miss them, they're bigger than Earth.
>>42892297>>42892475>Also, what do you think of my theory i think you are wrong that the pneumatic souls are meant to make this prison comfyquite the contrary, we are meant to set the world on fire and to break freeJews and archons make the prison to look more appealing and likable, so that you can remain subdued to your senses and to avoid potential breakthrough if you are a psychic, whereas hylics are by default lost forever, pneumatics can only be hunted down and killed but otherwise they are unaffected.>Ordo Ab ChaoOrder out of Chaos is their motto, not ours. They present a controlled fall into obscenity, while in actuality they trap you to your senses.True chaos breaks the system of the Demiurge, because it's unpredictable.Order out of Chaos reinforces the said system>>42892868>based on zero observationsif you are OP, then there are plenty of observations which serve as a testament of your folly
>>42892868>What a moronic concept.I don't care about you or what you find moronic, so shut up.>zero observations Vax, milgram experiment, baseless disbelief in epstein island and both robotic and cattle like behavior in general.>the othersAnd so why should i care about others when they don't care about me, filthy collectivistic rat?
