Ayys aren't real (Blue Beam).Magick is just applied psychology with robes.Cryptids aren't real (mis-identified flora & fauna).Ghosts aren't real (spirit boxes just pick up surrounding radio signals and there isn't a proven reproducible way to see them).I've been lurking here for many years and read about many esoteric traditions but there doesn't seem to be much physical evidence of the paranormal, all of it just feels like superstition and blind faith, and while yes it's true that the elites of this world are very superstitious (because of their secret societies) there just doesn't seem to be enough evidence of the paranormal itself.I think all of the elites are just scammed out of their money within their respective secret societies and they bought into their bullshit.
>inb4 looking for physical evidence of the non-physical.Many also argue that these things exist beyond the physical human senses but if that is the case then wouldn't we have machines capable of constantly seeing these things and wouldn't $0yence speak of it by now?
>>42903014First of all, materials or hylics cannot see. It's impossible. Secondly, iykyk.
>>42903065By "see" do you mean hallucinations? And your cute labels don't mean anything in the end, calling others le hylics or le psychics is the same level as the zoomer, doomer, coomer, oomer, poomer retards.
>>42903014You sound smart.You should look into folklore.
>>42903085There is more than one way to see. Symbols are a way to represent the nature of reality and communicate it across the aeons.
>>42903091I have, folklore is just heavier superstition, some of them believe entheogens allow them to see other worlds but i feel like those are also applied psychology, there's a reason MKUltra used drugs as a means of mind control.>>42903096Symbols are a way to communicate without words, in the olden days the peasants were illiterate and had to be show ideas instead of reading them.
>>42903105*had to be shown ideasle epic criticism of illiteracy turned illiterate with typo.
>>42903105No, actual folklore. Like in a book. In a library. Not r/glitchesinthematrix
>>42903119I have lived around eastern european folklore (still superstitious), what folklore do you recommend looking into for the "paranormal"? What myths in particular?
>>42903105> iykykThis isn't out of a sense of elitism. It is not known as The Incommunicable Axiom for no reason. It cannot be communicated through symbols. This is at the heart of The Great Magical Agent, that all adepts and initiates finally understand.You are the Athanor and no one can tell you how turn the lead into gold.
>>42903135The alchemical Lead and Gold, supposedly Matter and Spirit, and also the planetary metals of SATURN and the SUN/SOL/SOUL.But can you even see this "spiritual light" or "inner spark" though? Is there any proof of it?>no one can tell you how turn the lead into gold.Some mystics claim they can teach how to turn matter into light if they meditate & visualize enough (Merkabah workings) but i am yet to see any actual proof of this.
>>42903133>item breaks because loved one dies>walking trees>Do not eat supernatural food>whistling attracts spirits or trouble>the mysterious stranger tests hospitalityall of these are universal as in, different cultures on different contintents believe in this.there are obviously a lot more, and way creepier than this, too. i picked mostly non-death motifs.
>>42903149> Silentium / Se TaireThe fourth pillar in the Four Powers of the Sphinx and the shield of The Great Work. It is unwise to invite the profane into your Sphere of Sensation. This is part of The Four Virtues of the Magician.
>>42903164>item breaks because loved one diesWhich items? One item i've heard people point to is how wrist watches stop upon death but that's just because the winding stops spinning.>walking treesThe mythical Dryads you mean? I believe those myths arose from Pareidolia because some trees look oddly human.>Do not eat supernatural foodA superstition regarding the the transmigration of souls (Pythagorean Vegetarianism) and miasma, i believe the elite created those food superstitions to stop the peasants from asking for to much meat, they gorge all of the foods in their mansions while you vill eat ze bugs.>whistling attracts spirits or troubleA superstition supposedly based on vibrations and how spirits are apparently attracted to them, but i personally believe it's because it only attracts the attention of robbers or predator animals at night who may see you as an easy target.>the mysterious stranger tests hospitalityYou mean like the Mark Twain character? The king of masks (Loki) also seems to be purely alegorical, the fact that you mention hospitality may mean he was created as a character to scare the peasants into hospitality, "if you aren't hospitable le boogeyman will punish you for it" type deal.>>42903177>Silentium, Se TaireLe epic Latin/Roman larp words for silence, did you say them with a Sign of Harpocrates to? Gatekeeping leads to ignorance and ignorance leads to the shitshow world we have today, they say not to throw pearls unto swine but who are they to call others swine? May the pearls be cast and let them evolve the world, tis' all a sandbox and it doesn't matter in the end.
>>42903014It doesn't matter if it is real or not. The biggest fun is in trying to catch the rabbit, not actually catching it. /x/ used to be fun, because we were turning off our brains for a little, and turning on our imagination, thus entertaining ourselves with spooky stories, theories, and similar stuff. Nowadays, /x/ is just pure cancer, or maybe even worse. And you and your shitty gay thread contribute to it.
>>42903211No, not dryads. What are dryads even? No, basically different cultures (meaning they are spatially far away from each other, so it is unlikely that they just have shared the stories) say, that they witness trees changing places.Your only way of denying that this is possible is by claiming that they collectively forget about where trees used to be and falsely assume that they moved.
>>42903218Ah, the friends we made along the way/the journey not the destination "spiel", i remember those days of the internet to and i was fond of them to, but people do grow up anon and times change.You can't turn back time and no ammount of bitching about modernity will fix it, i've tried it to, the reason i made this thread was to try and regain that suspension of disbelief actually.>>42903232>meaning they are spatially far away from each other, so it is unlikely that they just have shared the stories.Global trade and conquest was a thing back then and cultures exchanged myths and stories like a telephone game, collectively saying something isn't proof of it, they all spoke of dragons back then only for it to turn out as dinossaur fossils.
>>42903250>amountYeah ESL moment.
>>42903211If it is your Will to proclaim yourself a magician, destroy the gates, and give all men the keys then do it. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole if the law. Love under Will."> evolve the worldThe world is not what you think it is
>>42903289>If it is your Will to proclaim yourself a magician, destroy the gates, and give all men the keys then do it.Others have already done that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1qACd0wHd0>"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole if the law. Love under Will."Do not confuse Thelemic Will with Compulsion (do what thou wilt doesn't necessarily mean do what you want), also that phrase if said to someone can be interpreted as a your surrender, you are telling someone to do as they will with you.>The world is not what you think it isAnd what do YOU think it is? I see it as a sandbox.
>>42903014I've had a few less than normal & paranormal experiences irl, most of them weird and pants shitting terrifying At ages of 4 to 6 I recall having dreams which came true the next day, it was small happenings like dreaming of sitting at my desk at home & getting a rainbow pencil as I was staring at a blank page, talking to a person I never met before in my dream & then having the same conversation with that person irl, things like that..A few years later I went to a summer camp with a friend who was a Hardcore Christian, one night as we were going to bed there was a strange light in one of the corners in the room, it was pitch black otherwise, the hallway had it's lights off & the shutters on the window were closed. We both saw it, we both tried to look for the source of it & then realized it didn't have any way to be originating from the outside. He started praying loudly & it did nothing while I was just laying there scared & dozed off after a while.When I was like 13 I was dumb enough to read a succgen thread cuz yknow, then as I was went through the posts I started sensing light touches on my shoulder, forehead, hand & back, it was like flower petals falling on my skin, then the post I read said that succubi & spirits can detect your mind if you read about them so uh yea.One time I interacted with a CIA employee over discord, it was one of the groups of friends I deeply regret being a stupid asshole to but I was 15 at the time & still consumed by hatred & resentment over some awful shit I went through when I was younger.During that time as I was in HS I was in a dormitory & I was rooming with a fat druggie psycho who helped murder someone when he was younger, one time I smoked weed with him & he told me demons talked to him.When I was 17 I went to another summer camp & the second person I talked to told me his dad worked was a lawyer in Brussels.gotta cont in another post
>>42903014Does the world exist when I close my eyes? Prove it.
>>42903303> do what thou wilt doesn't necessarily mean do what you wantI never said it did. > magic is art to influence people's consciousnessNo it isn't, but there are certainly magical elements there.
>>42903250Nope.
>>42903315Dreams and Synchronicities seem to be just a result of your own Brain and Apophenia, those lights could've just been any electronics in the room.>I started sensing light touches.The touches you felt could've been a Placebo effect from what you read.>& he told me demons talked to him.Superstition.>>42903342If you get kicked with your eyes closed that should be enough proof that the world is still there when you close your eyes, you could also have light shined in your closed eyelids to see silhouettes of the surrounding world, otherwise you see weird colorful geometric patterns as a result of your brain piecing together the darkness.>>42903345>I never said it did.>If it is your Will to proclaim yourself a magician, destroy the gates, and give all men the keys then do it.Ah i see, you said if it was my will specifically to do that instead of to do whatever i want (ESL moment perhaps?), i'd say that isn't my true will but it is conducive to it, when you give others the teachings interesting things happend and evolve, and from those new things you can sharpen your own iron, like how the apparent competition of capitalism breeds innovation.>No it isn't, but there are certainly magical elements there.Then what is it to you? Are you one of the ceremonial types who believes they can summon the divine with a few fisher price trinkets and elaborate halloween costumes?>>42903347Not a counterargument.
>>42903014Skepticism is mans incessant need to hold all the power in his own reality, a bump in the night is just a rat in the attic, the footfall on the stairs is just the house shifting, the alien in the backyard is a bluebeans hologram or AI, the lights in the sky are just le evil human government with technology beyond our imagination. It's all human centric, things we could maybe deal with if we wanted to. The world is NOT human centric. The sick irony though is; a world of skepticism is the kind of dark world where the supernatural has the most power over people, where it can exist in absolute secrecy among its cattle, pulling strings they don't know are there, hiding in mechanisms they can't understand. Trying to understand it is painful, so discount it as the wind and feel better, a generation is raised in a world that is now darker for it.
>>42903385>If you get kicked with your eyes closed that should be enough proof that the world is still there when you close your eyes, you could also have light shined in your closed eyelids to see silhouettes of the surrounding world, otherwise you see weird colorful geometric patterns as a result of your brain piecing together the darkness.That's a hallucination. The brain is trying to make sense of the lack of a world, so it makes stuff up. Also the light is a hallucination too.
>>42903385The Great Magical agent, known by many names, is in everything, and through everything. It is not nothing, but no-thing. A Magus does not think like the Sorceror does, a sandbox implies desire and leads to the Dark path.To command nothingness, is magic.
>>42903400>The world is NOT human centric.Food chains exist yes but our cognition appears to have placed us at the top of them.>Trying to understand it is painful, so discount it as the wind and feel betterThe attributions we give to alleged "paranormal" phenomena are not because we didn't try to understand them, they came from the fact that we DID try to understand them through science and only found something mundane, it's the wind because we went there and only found wind.You could pull up the "beyond human perception" thing as i said here >>42903020 but our machines to detect those also show nothing, you could even go beyond that with the mathematical dimensions but then it starts to get to theoretical and not concrete, you can say le theoretically it exists but nothing is proven so... the status quo still remains until then. >>42903412>The brain is trying to make sense of the lack of a world, so it makes stuff up.You are speaking of Robert Anton Wilson's reality tunnels, even if no two tunnels are alike they are still similar enough to feel the kick's damage, it is by no means a hallucination in that regard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRJC8b8qEk>>42903428Eliphas Levi is abrahamic slop and there is no tangible evidence of his magical agent nor any way to measure it concretely, and the dualist light and dark paths is also bullshit, the left and right hands belong to the same body.>To command nothingness, is magic.Wu Wei is a better analogy for that.
>>42903453> To command nothingness, is magic. "Cast the pearls at the swine, and let the world evolve!" You say. Yet here is the proof, visible in plain sight. I told you what I think magic is and you did not understand. > Eliphas Levi is abrahamic slopHe is a part of a Whole.> the dualist light and dark paths is also bullshitBullshit in what way? Chaos and the Ether don't care what you do when you command, there is no morality attached to it. What you do may be black, white, or gray. Ultimately, you will pay the price for your choices.
>>42903014What of the ball you're on? Floating in the void with mathematical precision? I suppose that would be the supernatural rather than the paranormal, but I'm a glass half full kinda guy.
>>42903315cont The conversation started out normally but he tried subtext-ing me to see if I was a normie but I passed, it was obvious he was one of the new generation of the powers that be, after the camp he invited me to a party to which I didn't go.When I was 19 I went to my first metal concert, as I sat down & the people around me relaxed I looked around and saw a guy sitting next to the fire, at first I thought nothing of it, then I saw an extra eye and mouth on his face, he noticed me being slightly weirded out cuz he fully turned his face towards me, then his extra eye squinted in an opportunistic expression as his other eyes remained at a regular openness, his additional mouth showed a wicked, predatory smile while his regular one remained neutral. It was like someone went into photoshop & edited on additional organs & blended them so they looked semi natural despite their obvious abnormality. When I saw that I looked at my hands and counted my fingers, I was in utter shock as I counted 10, then I recounted and was even more afraid to notice that he sat down next to me. We had a conversation & became friendly, then a few weeks later he told me that he made a deal, he'd cause pain to people in exchange for power & after that he tried to convince me to get a tattoo so that my essence would be bound to his amalgam but I declined, he got really weird so I parted ways cuz it was obvious that he was a criminal.>The touches you felt could've been a Placebo effect from what you read.a slight correction,>then the post I readthen the next post I read*
>>42903453>our cognition appears to have placed us at the top of them.Key word appears. Even as an Earth example, gut bacteria produces chemicals which can directly interface with the brain through the vagus nerve. There is a strong correlation between microbiome composition and autism/schizophrenia, specifically with dopamine sensitivity and production. The greatest predators on Earth are still btfo'd by a thing without a brain, made into caricatures of humanity that would almost imply cosmic sense of humor, to make tiktoks in their adult diaper fursuits against their theoretically clean wills.But that leads to an important question. How can you trust a single thing about your reality in a world where "TMS therapy" exists, where it is proven that you can fundamentally change a person, their perceptions and behavior through technology, and that the supernatural has existed far before people could replicate it with this technology?
>>42903506>Yet here is the proof, visible in plain sight.Eliphas Levi larps are not tangible proof of anything, and no amount of labels matter in the end, i.e you are le npc/swine/hylic etc...Le magical agent/ether was disproven by the Michelson–Morley experiment.>Ultimately, you will pay the price for your choices.Cause and effect are not white black or grey, also define Chaos? Do you mean the mystic greco-roman primordial chaos?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BVNP2Ac0EY>He is a part of a Whole.By "Whole" do you mean the theoretical Ein Sof or the one consciousness who apparently is experiencing itself subjectively as everyone? There is also no tangible proof of it.>>42903517>Floating in the void with mathematical precision?Water seeks it's own level and so does nature through evolution, what doesn't work just colapses, i wouldn't say that's the result of some meticulous architect of the universe as the mystics put it.>>42903528>then I saw an extra eye and mouth on his faceA hallucination perhaps, or a wicked metal cosplay since they are edgelords and like to larp to.>>42903529>The greatest predators on Earth are still btfo'd by a thing without a brainNatural selection, evolution and food chains yes, but said things without a brain also get btfo'd by non natural antibiotics and treatments that resulted from higher cognition, cognition still prevails.>How can you trust a single thing about your reality in a world where "TMS therapy" exists.>Brain damage makes you act differently.That doesn't prove the paranormal, you just rewire an existing system to get a different output, even if that system is composed of billions of neurons/wires, the subject gains a new reality tunnel that may materialize their inner archetypes but there's not really anything paranormal about itAnd the Yin Yang shape of the two photons on your picrel was entirely induced by scientists and is not the natural shape of a photon, they molded the light with a filter
>>42903617The proof was that I told you what magic is, and you compared it to Wu Wei which tells me you did not understand what I said. Which was expected, but an interesting experiment nonetheless. You will live 100,000 lives searching for this "tangible proof" and never find it. You're like a monkey extending his hairy arms into the night sky, trying to catch a star.
>>42903014Sure! Watch I can control your mind and body remotely:You’re now feeling your tongue in your mouth, you’re now manually breathing, and you now realize your ass is sweaty.Acknowledge my magickal prowess and weep worms!
>>42903641>The proof was that I told you what magic is, and you compared it to Wu Wei which tells me you did not understand what I said.You spoke of commanding nothingness, this nothingness you spoke of is not the void and no material thing as you said (so the ether), which was disproven by the Michelson–Morley experiment.To comand "nothing" and win is Wu Wei, commadning "nothingness" is also a paradox as how do you control nothing? If it isn't the void or no thing as you said then it's the ether, which again, isn't real.>You will live 100,000 lives searching for this "tangible proof" and never find it.Mystics believe that gamers don't die, they respawn, but the more scientific ideal of respawn is quantum immortality, one life over and over instead of the multiple incarnations of buddhism.>You're like a monkey extending his hairy arms into the night sky, trying to catch a star.Aren't we all?>>42903643Nah.
>>42903617>A hallucination perhaps, or a wicked metal cosplay since they are edgelords and like to larp to.I really wish it was dude, in one of our conversations per my request he uttered a mild magical attack aimed at disorientation, it was like metal scraping on metal & I felt it in my soul.If you really want proof of the supernatural in your life which in my opinion is a very bad idea, then the answer is to unlock the black chakra & read the Abramelin, foundational literature includes the Vedas, Franz Bardon, etc.Magic, the supernatural, paranormal isn't something separate from regular life, it's just that what we'd call the real world is the border between the higher states of being & lower ones, we're here to rise and fall, to be broken and remade until we learn to let go.
>>42903697>Black ChakraYou watch way to much anime, there are only 7 chakras and they correspond to the endocrine glands, there are 8 glands in total and some chakra systems do go to eight.>AbramelinCeremonial superstition.>VedasAllegorical philosophy and psychology.>Franz BardonOne of many larpers, he also believed in the Ether as Akasha, Dualism and entities.>Magic, the supernatural, paranormal isn't something separate from regular life, it's just that what we'd call the real world is the border between the higher states of being & lower ones, we're here to rise and fall, to be broken and remade until we learn to let go.Can you tangibly prove this though?
wish my poltergeist would go haunt OP's house instead so he can tell himself the shit getting flung around his room and curtains being ripped apart by invisible hands is "just applied psychology"
>>42903768The earth has micro quakes (which is how wall cracks form) and shit ass polyester curtains are not paranormal anon.
>>42903662> you're like a monkey> Aren't we all? No
>>42903771you're in the wrong thread for lame jokes >>42898290
>>42903806>NoProofs?>you're in the wrong thread for lame jokesYou're in the wrong thread for superstition.
>>42903815> Proofs?
>>42903014There really is no fixing stupid. If you bother to notice, the people who are reporting direct personal experience with the so called paranormal once were in the same position as everyone else, lacking personal experience and stuck trying to assess the situation from hypothetical conjecture and statistics.. as if probability math is somehow going to disclose the secrets of life, the universe, and everything. But then it happens; an event of direct personal observation and then suddenly they are forced into the other camp.Notice, this only works in one direction. The person who has direct personal experience doesn't need statistics or probably to simply be honest with themselves about what they encountered.The idea that the average human can be given the information may be unrealistic. Opportunity is necessary for the events of observation to occur. Extraordinary things exist that are beyond the ordinary. Even our existence is more sophisticated than our efforts to describe it have ever been.. and we are just beginning to find the tangible physical evidence of these quantum properties that are the basis of existence that the "paranormal" events are occurring within. You don't get to choose what is allowed to exist by exertion of your chosen beliefs. It is an absurdity of fanatical extremism to assert that you have somehow managed to choose correctly that which you are going to permit to exist based only on your own tiny sample of experience. You can pretend that you are living in the reality of your imagination by simply dismissing the genuine and sincere reports of extraordinary experiences, but reality is not waiting for you to approve it nor to authorize it. It will go right on existing no matter how unaware you choose to be of it. The thing that you are missing here is that your own subconscious is already very aware of much more than you have conscious awareness of. This goes for every aspect of paranormal.. take your pick.
>>42903733>You watch way to much anime, there are only 7 chakras and they correspond to the endocrine glands, there are 8 glands in total and some chakra systems do go to eight.The black chakra is called that because it is the combination of the bodily chakras, it is the first milestone of a neophyte magi.Ironically a really good show to give guidance to those seeking it is Avatar the Last Air Bender, the scene with the yogi on the mountain as Aang is being taught to clear his chakras is a good starting point.>>Abramelin>Ceremonial superstition.It's the equivalent of counting to 10 for a magi>>Vedas>Allegorical philosophy and psychologyYes, they're in my opinion a source of necessary reading due to the perspectives offered amongst other elementary knowledge.>>Franz Bardon>One of many larpers, he also believed in the Ether as Akasha, Dualism and entities.And he wasn't wrong, it's much more than what you've described but that remains to be discovered for those who want for adventure.>>Magic, the supernatural, paranormal isn't something separate from regular life, it's just that what we'd call the real world is the border between the higher states of being & lower ones, we're here to rise and fall, to be broken and remade until we learn to let go.Can you tangibly prove this though?Only if you believe in magic, so no, I can't prove it to you, but I could give you the name of the guy with three eyes if you're willing to accept getting potentially murdered due to criminal bullshit.
>>42903863K.>>42903866>as if probability math is somehow going to disclose the secrets of life, the universe, and everything.The Pythagoreans had high faith in math for their mysticism, the closest paranormal experience i've had was Synchronicity but that can be reduced to Apophenia no?>The person who has direct personal experience doesn't need statistics or probably to simply be honest with themselves about what they encountered.How can they have such blind faith in their "encounter"? How are they sure it's paranormal?>and we are just beginning to find the tangible physical evidence of these quantum properties that are the basis of existence that the "paranormal" events are occurring within.Paranormal by definition is phenomena that sit completely outside the scope of current scientific laws and cannot be explained by regular scientific mechanisms, which Quantum Mechanics does fall under for now, but when that's understood and done with what then?It seems the existence of the "Paranormal" is temporary until conventionl science eventually unfolds it.>It is an absurdity of fanatical extremism to assert that you have somehow managed to choose correctly that which you are going to permit to exist based only on your own tiny sample of experience.This "tiny sample" has been solidified through proven experiments, don't you think if there was more beyond it we would've seen it by now? Have we detected any life at the quantum level? Any of the so called "paranormal" entities?>>42903936>I can't prove it to youI guess that settles it.>I could give you the name of the guy with three eyes if you're willing to accept getting potentially murdered due to criminal bullshit.Not interested in metal edgelords so nah, his extra eye may also be a birth deformity.
>>42903815don't you have some gazans to kill? go be an insufferable jew somewhere else
>>42903984Not a jew, they are 10x more supersticious than me.The idea of the Eruv line is one of the most absurd things i've ever seen.
>>42903960>Not interested in metal edgelords so nah, his extra eye may also be a birth deformity.There is no known congenital anomaly which results in additional eyes on a single face.His extra eye and mouth weren't physical and other people weren't able to see them except for some others he had in his circle who were able to see.>>I can't prove it to you>I guess that settles it.You'd never pass getting subtext-ed
>>42904037>His extra eye and mouth weren't physical A hallucination then.>You'd never pass getting subtext-edK. Cool schizo story though i guess.
>>42903993Jews are literally a communal schizophrenic collective.
>>42903960Although interpretation is a matter of confidence in previous information having been correctly interpolated.. perception is not a matter of faith.There does exist a threshold of experience that destroys the notion that simple beliefs are in any way relevant to the basics of observation. You don't have to have an advanced theory about the quantum properties of consciousness to point blank be in the position of seeing a ghost.. or an alien vehicle.. or any of several types of sasquatch creatures. If you are in the position of having direct experience then it is no longer a matter of intellectual speculation. In effect, direct personal experience ends the question of a lack of proof. With that major hurdle behind you, you can proceed further to speculate on exactly what the reality is with one certain piece of knowledge that the final assessment must necessarily provide explanation for or otherwise the assessment may be dismissed as incomplete or inaccurate. Your position is vulnerable to the potential that you yourself will be burdened with your own direct personal observation and experience. Those who already have experience are not vulnerable to their own experiences being erased by the wishful thinking of others who lack that same experience
>>42904228>perception is not a matter of faith.It's a matter of brains and the reality tunnels that their respective neural wires create, we have an objective reality tunnel that is similar is enough between us that we can look at one object and call it red, but life outside of our reality tunnels has not been scientifically proven, it's related to what i said here >>42903020>If you are in the position of having direct experience then it is no longer a matter of intellectual speculation.Unless what you perceive as "direct experience" is some bluebeam psyop beamed into your head by some CIA mind weapon.>Your position is vulnerable to the potential that you yourself will be burdened with your own direct personal observation and experience.Even if i have an "experience" i'll still study it from a scientific lens and most likely find a reasonable explanation for it.
>>42904294>that is similar enoughcorrection
>>42903014Are black holes technically the ghosts of stars?
>>42904671Stellar-mass black holes are technically the collapsed, dead remnants of massive stars, not sure if i would call them "ghosts" though.
>>42904294 " Most likely " is a hypothetical forecast. What previous experiences do you have to support the assertion that this is a probable response?What tangible evidence do you have to support the notion that such a conceptual mind weapon even exists?
>>4290301499.9% of the matter in the universe exists in the form of plasma. We observe complex phenomena in plasmas that we can't explain. Humans worshiping the Sun makes complete sense if plasma houses advanced beings - it's the largest local plasma source.I only put a very small chance on this being true, but it's the closest thing in physics that is quite unexplored for "life".
>>42904899Of the observable matter Majority of matter is dark matterI think it might be in a higher dimension, therefore not observable. But scientists don't know about it (yet).
>>42903065Not OP but this thought always is in the back of my head.I have never had a paranormal or supernatural encounter in person, in dreams, or anything.Yet, I still believe that there is more to this (always have) and I don't want to be reincarnated into this world again. Is this a sign I'm a hylic/NPC or a sign I'm not going to evolve or progress beyond this unlike everyone else? :(
>>42904914that shit isn't real, it's just something these hacks calling themselves scientists made up to fill the holes in their obsolete physics they cling to for ego reasons
>>42904920Hylics don't have "nagging thoughts of something more". So if you've always had this you're almost certainly not a hylic. Those "nagging thoughts" is likely the divine spark within you, which is pushing you towards Gnosis. Whether or not you complete The Great Work in this life or the next is of little to no consequence to the real You. I'm not referring to your Persona in this life. If you don't wish to live here anymore, then you must find the way to do so, through Gnosis.
>>42904952Interesting, thanks.
>>42904890>What previous experiences do you have to support the assertion that this is a probable response?Synchronicities.>What tangible evidence do you have to support the notion that such a conceptual mind weapon even exists?MKUltra never ended.>>42904899>We observe complex phenomena in plasmas that we can't explain.It's only a matter of time before science unravels those.>Humans worshiping the Sun makes complete sense if plasma houses advanced beings - it's the largest local plasma source.Or they just worshipped it because it saved them from the Hellish winters?>>42904920>Yet, I still believe that there is more to this (always have).Be-LIE-f you say? >>42904921This.>>42904952>Hylics don't have "nagging thoughts of something more".I've had those thoughts forever since the start of my initial esoteric studies but they never lead anywhere nor was anything proven so here we are.>Those "nagging thoughts" is likely the divine spark within you, which is pushing you towards Gnosis.Proofs? Gnostics always speak of escaping reality and sparks, but where to? Why escape this plane and not fight for it?
>>42904964Well, then I don't think you're a Hylic. > but they never lead anywhere nor was anything proven so here we areGnosis just means knowledge. The knowledge that comes directly to you and you know it to be true deep within you. No one can give or take this away from you. It's not knowledge from a book, or observed through some device, it's knowledge that is born of you. > Gnostics always speak of escaping reality and sparks, but where to? Why escape this plane and not fight for it?The Pleroma is not a place, but a state of being. You could be in the Pleroma right now, but you CHOOSE to be here, why? The Magus understands this, and he may CHOOSE to remain in the Kenoma to aid others and fulfill his True Will.
>>42904914>Majority of matter is dark matterDark matter may not exist - it's currently just the most accepted theory, but it's far from proven. I suspect there's "drag" from another dimension at high energies/densities myself, but that's completely vibes.We know the standard model is wrong, but the question is how/why and what's the right theory.>It's only a matter of time before science unravels those.Agreed - I believe that IF Biblical/supernatural events actually happened, it was just advanced technology (not actual magic). Likely future humans time travelling given their interest in us and existing in our atmosphere.>Or they just worshipped it because it saved them from the Hellish winters?True, a perfectly logical explanation except it arose in climates that didn't have winters too. Now worshiping the giant glowing orb in the sky is I think "logical" in its own right, along with the moon, nature, death, ancestors, etc. I was merely presenting the steelman for plasma beings.
>>42904980>It's not knowledge from a book, or observed through some device, it's knowledge that is born of you.I would describe it as a feeling that you can't shake off or something that you can just feel much like the force from $0y wars, a traditional materialist would call it "le intuition", or as they say here "you just know"I did want to look at things from a purely scientific and atheist perspective and to take the role of the fedora wearer, but the nagging feelings and synchronicities don't allow me to make the full conversion, it's like you become physically incapable of fully becoming a materialist again after your mind expands with esoteric ideas.But even with these feelings i can't shake off that magick is just psychology and the entities are either human mis identifications or psyops, robert anton wilson took an agnostic aproach and took in all possibilites which made me think, what if magick is both things? What if it's both psychology AND actual harry potter tier wizardry? The need to make magic be one thing or another is quite dualistic>and he may CHOOSE to remain in the Kenoma to aid others and fulfill his True Will.Most aren't open minded and the hordes of consoomers can make someone angry enough to become misanthropic which is the case of the elite, they want a herd of cattle to sustain their economies and nothing else.>>42905031>Dark matter may not exist - it's currently just the most accepted theoryWhat about antimatter? A mirror world similar to ours like the upside down of Stranger Things, an anti particle for every normal particle.>it was just advanced technology (not actual magic).Doesn't the Mahabharata speak of nukes and flying machines?>except it arose in climates that didn't have winters too.Because of agriculture to, the sun saved them by growing food.>Now worshiping the giant glowing orb in the sky is I think "logical" in its own right.I personally chose a Saturnian path when i started, Saturn isn't just a planet.
>>42905129>What about antimatter?We observe very little of it, it's one of the reasons we know our current theory of the origin of the universe is wrong. The standard model demands matter = antimatter.>Doesn't the Mahabharata speak of nukes and flying machines?Possibly, just as Revelation/Ezekiel/Enoch may speak of time-travelling humans/aliens breeding with humans. These ancient people didn't have words for technology like we're describing, and much of this was written down decades or centuries after the alleged events. I agree the fact it's been preserved for centuries/millennia demands explanation ... but we really need whatever these beings are to come back to us.>I personally chose a Saturnian path when i started, Saturn isn't just a planet.The interesting thing about Saturn is that its rings are only 100 million years old: its possible life existed on the moons that the rings used to be.
>>42905224>Possibly, just as Revelation/Ezekiel/Enoch may speak of time-travelling humans/aliens breeding with humans.The bible is mostly astro theological but the Ophanim are just straight up lovecraftian aliens, Hermaeus Mora vibes, tell me the winged wheels with eyes aren't aliens like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e8ZoFg-CC8>The interesting thing about Saturn is that its rings are only 100 million years old.Read this entire thread i made a while back if you want to know how Saturn works as the Demiurge/Architect of this world, it's a very good read:https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42465735I tried to argue there was no architect in this thread but before i tried this atheistic materialism out i was mostly gnostic, now that i've seen again it doesn't work out i'll go back to gnosticism again as it's the most sensible belief in the midst of dogmas and materialists.Saturn is usually vilified by Abrahamites but the true Gnostic knows Saturn isn't just the Adversary (Satan), the true Gnostic sees Saturn as a stepping stone toward the divine, the gate of Binah before Kether, the final sphere before the infinite.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APisfyIUh4
>>42903014Ah, the homosexual is bugchasing again... No, you don't want evidence. You want to troll AND steal. Applied psychology is a scam that healed no one. Psychatry is a faery tale that doesnt heal AND is peer reviewed to cause brain damage. (Yes, they cause brain damage over making you abandon uour brliefs).>I've been stalking youWe know. >I've readSure you have, dissect and explain standard non sigil based chaos magick operations. >Physical evidencePeople who post good stuff get boards like 4chan infested by drooling retards with the disimilation skills of an elephant trample devoted to Jesus and by your ilk. >Ghosts arent real, we just make up mentall ilnesses that for some reason override legal rights and have police grade authorization. Strange disease is the one that only a lawyer can heal.
>>42905306>Ah, the homosexualNo u faggot.>No, you don't want evidence.I do actually, but it appears there isn't any, it's something you can only feel and not physically prove.>We know.I lurk the board to sift nuggets of truth within the LLM and slide thread drivel.>Sure you have, dissect and explain standard non sigil based chaos magick operations.You can't really dissect Synchromysticism so i'll just talk about Servitors, this explanation is pretty straight forward.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oesOm6XDW9w&t=60sI've also done Paradigm Shifting in this thread ;)>People who post good stuff get boards like 4chan infested by drooling retards with the disimilation skills of an elephant trample devoted to Jesus and by your ilk.Do you even English bro?>Strange disease is the one that only a lawyer can heal.The fuck are you even on about?
>>42905318I don't believe you. I posted a photograph of a Spirit drawn fresco, viewable only with UV flashlight. Everyone ignored
>>42905322>I don't believe you.K.>I posted a photograph of a Spirit drawn frescoThe fuck are you even on about? Do you mean in this thread? If so which reply?>viewable only with UV flashlight.Jacking off into a canvas is not "spirit drawn".
Nothing but delusions on this board.There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, spirits, life after death, demons, tulpas, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to live. Reality is both a giant playground for us to explore and progress in, but also an arena for us to fight in for our false ideologies. If you fail at life, you will never find anything to hold on to. No aliens, no haunted houses, no spirits, no demons to fight. You're only fighting with your own delusions, and desperately trying not to hit the absolute bottom. Now try to prove me wrong, if there really is anyone still treating this paranormal shit seriously.
>>42905333>333 Demonic Post.>Everything is actually nothing goy, become nothing with me.Nah.
>>42905129>>42905333>>42905342Interesting mention of Magick as as including Psychology. Magick is both of the Logos (λόγος) and Pneuma (πνεῦμα).The nature of reality is both Mind and Spirit, therefore Magick necessitates both Mind (Logos) and Spirit (Pneuma). I was just reading about how some of the stuff Crowley wrote about the Goetic entities. He did not consider them actual entities but rather states or human consciousness. He specifically evoked Chronozon. Synchronicity.
>>42903014Yes.Yes.The Women in White, a faction of NHI that have influenced human belief systems across the world for thousands of years. They appear as women in white clothing, transform into or associate with bovine animals, give religious prophecy and control UFOs. They have a four-coloured flag that has appeared in almost every belief system.https://youtu.be/JkUrVh8knj8 https://youtu.be/LMv1k49sAM0 https://youtu.be/VlRqTgobV3o https://youtu.be/1Jvr4O7pG9I
>>42905385>He did not consider them actual entities but rather states or human consciousness.If reality is both mind and spirit as you say then aren't the entities real and not just states of human consciousness? If they are mind they are also spirit no?>He specifically evoked Chronozon, Synchronicity.Is Choronzon synchronicity?>>42905390>broken bot replyBuy an ad for your YT channel.
Will study's convince you?
>>42905426No. I think I’ll continue as I am.
>>42905426There are different schools of thought about these things. In some studies, Goetic demons, egregores, etc. are considered external entities. In other schools, these entities represent different states or levels of human consciousness. This is what Crowley believed, which is why when he supposedly invoked Chronozon, he physically assaulted Neuburg. I say invoked, rather than evoked (as I previously stated) because he allowed Chronozon to possess his mind and body. Levi held the thought that various entities were "astral larvae" or psychological projections of the human mind forms of "lower astral currents" or "thoughtforms", not entities. These astral larva become visible, taking on forms of your fears, hates, disgusts and more during astral travel, sleep paralysis, etc.I'm not sure what my position is regarding that yet, right now I think it could be either. There is no reason in my opinion why other entities could not exist. All is derived from the Blythos. In it exist the full spectrum of dualities. Could a fragment of the Pleroma exist in a demon? I don't know. > Is Choronzon synchronicity?Chronozon was just a synchronicity to me because I had just finished reading about that Crowley invocation when I came here and read that Chronozon reply. Is there a meaningfullness to this coincidence? I don't know, seemed like it. Maybe not given that this is /x/
>>42905476Either way you think of it, it could make sense. In the legend, King Solomon was given a ring signet by the Archangel Michael. This brass and iron ring, known as The Seal of Solomon, allowed him to bind and command the Goetic demons safely. With this power he was able to exploit the demons and build the temple. Another way to look at this same legend, is that the Seal of Solomon was internal. Through the Tetragrammaton, the King was able to bind and command the demons of his mind and his lower self to build the temple, the Athanor.
>>42905248>tell me the winged wheels with eyes aren't aliens like thisThe fact they're so unlike anything on Earth makes me believe they could be real if I'm being honest. It's the humanoid "aliens" I believe are time-travelling humans. Something truly unlike anything on Earth (6 winged covered in eyes, 4 heads, etc.) points to something not of Earth. Whereas anything bipedal with 2 arms and a head with 2 eyes and a mouth is FAR to close to human to not be related. The chances extra terrestrial life evolved such a similar form is simply beyond probability.>Read this entire thread i made a while back if you want to know how Saturn works as the Demiurge/Architect of this world, it's a very good read:Meh, magic shapes or numbers are very uncompelling. If there genuinely is anything "supernatural", it's just advanced technology - not magic shapes.We should be searching for new physics, not magic.
>>42905476>Levi held the thought that various entities were "astral larvae" or psychological projections of the human mind forms of "lower astral currents" or "thoughtforms", not entities.>picrel>Could a fragment of the Pleroma exist in a demon?More like Kenoma.>Is there a meaningfullness to this coincidence?All is connected, Indra's Net.
Op is not talented and gifted. He is mid tier cognizant and beginning the process of self validification.The big next step for op is experience. Whether in this life or future liv3s this will continue until op will be seeing quite deeply through the context of this universe into the next beyond.. and even this is only a beginning of the introduction to the occupants of these other realms. At some point in the future technology that can assist in bridging the divisions between realms of realities will exist. All of humanity is gradually growing into the context that this future technology will require. It will be a technology of the mind and consciousness that will eliminate the questions of uncertainty that exist in the minds of those who are as yet unguided by their own abilities to perceive beyond the boundaries of these realms.This is the eventual circumstance. The distractions of the moment are the details of this progression.
>>42905577OP here, Checked.
Pray to God for rain and he will show you that he exists but the Jews will never tell you this they believe the Divine era has passed and they think that is the reason God does not answer the world but the truth is that God does still answer but he wants nothing to do with those idiots Jews who disappointed him that is why he does not help them defeat Iran and why the Jews remain scattered across the globe it is God curse upon Israel
>>42905715Any effort to eliminate the toxicity of corrupted data into the natural human state of awareness has reason scrutinize the word "god" and question the origin of this word and this concept.If you did not find the existence of the tangible item itself in nature, why does it arrive in your vocabulary? The people who introduced the concept did so with a much developed plan of extortion from those who accept the terminology as meaningful and relevant. Find the thing in nature or dismiss the notion. Trace things back to their origins, and go deeper when everyone else is told to stop. Look further back into the history and the lies become obvious.
>>42905729..has reason to scrutinize
>>42903014>Magick is just applied psychology with robes.close but no cigar. The paranormal (at least when it comes to magic) is when Human bullshittery, creativity, and paranoia is weaponized so much that it stops becoming bullshit. It's fake-it until you make it and the psuedo effect taken to the extreme 'nth degree. If you weaponize your own delusions in a calculated manner you can quite literally shape, effect, or change the way you perceive and interface with reality.
>>42905342Cope
