Ayys aren't real (Blue Beam).Magick is just applied psychology with robes.Cryptids aren't real (mis-identified flora & fauna).Ghosts aren't real (spirit boxes just pick up surrounding radio signals and there isn't a proven reproducible way to see them).I've been lurking here for many years and read about many esoteric traditions but there doesn't seem to be much physical evidence of the paranormal, all of it just feels like superstition and blind faith, and while yes it's true that the elites of this world are very superstitious (because of their secret societies) there just doesn't seem to be enough evidence of the paranormal itself.I think all of the elites are just scammed out of their money within their respective secret societies and they bought into their bullshit.
>inb4 looking for physical evidence of the non-physical.Many also argue that these things exist beyond the physical human senses but if that is the case then wouldn't we have machines capable of constantly seeing these things and wouldn't $0yence speak of it by now?
>>42903014First of all, materials or hylics cannot see. It's impossible. Secondly, iykyk.
>>42903065By "see" do you mean hallucinations? And your cute labels don't mean anything in the end, calling others le hylics or le psychics is the same level as the zoomer, doomer, coomer, oomer, poomer retards.
>>42903014You sound smart.You should look into folklore.
>>42903085There is more than one way to see. Symbols are a way to represent the nature of reality and communicate it across the aeons.
>>42903091I have, folklore is just heavier superstition, some of them believe entheogens allow them to see other worlds but i feel like those are also applied psychology, there's a reason MKUltra used drugs as a means of mind control.>>42903096Symbols are a way to communicate without words, in the olden days the peasants were illiterate and had to be show ideas instead of reading them.
>>42903105*had to be shown ideasle epic criticism of illiteracy turned illiterate with typo.
>>42903105No, actual folklore. Like in a book. In a library. Not r/glitchesinthematrix
>>42903119I have lived around eastern european folklore (still superstitious), what folklore do you recommend looking into for the "paranormal"? What myths in particular?
>>42903105> iykykThis isn't out of a sense of elitism. It is not known as The Incommunicable Axiom for no reason. It cannot be communicated through symbols. This is at the heart of The Great Magical Agent, that all adepts and initiates finally understand.You are the Athanor and no one can tell you how turn the lead into gold.
>>42903135The alchemical Lead and Gold, supposedly Matter and Spirit, and also the planetary metals of SATURN and the SUN/SOL/SOUL.But can you even see this "spiritual light" or "inner spark" though? Is there any proof of it?>no one can tell you how turn the lead into gold.Some mystics claim they can teach how to turn matter into light if they meditate & visualize enough (Merkabah workings) but i am yet to see any actual proof of this.
>>42903133>item breaks because loved one dies>walking trees>Do not eat supernatural food>whistling attracts spirits or trouble>the mysterious stranger tests hospitalityall of these are universal as in, different cultures on different contintents believe in this.there are obviously a lot more, and way creepier than this, too. i picked mostly non-death motifs.
>>42903149> Silentium / Se TaireThe fourth pillar in the Four Powers of the Sphinx and the shield of The Great Work. It is unwise to invite the profane into your Sphere of Sensation. This is part of The Four Virtues of the Magician.
>>42903164>item breaks because loved one diesWhich items? One item i've heard people point to is how wrist watches stop upon death but that's just because the winding stops spinning.>walking treesThe mythical Dryads you mean? I believe those myths arose from Pareidolia because some trees look oddly human.>Do not eat supernatural foodA superstition regarding the the transmigration of souls (Pythagorean Vegetarianism) and miasma, i believe the elite created those food superstitions to stop the peasants from asking for to much meat, they gorge all of the foods in their mansions while you vill eat ze bugs.>whistling attracts spirits or troubleA superstition supposedly based on vibrations and how spirits are apparently attracted to them, but i personally believe it's because it only attracts the attention of robbers or predator animals at night who may see you as an easy target.>the mysterious stranger tests hospitalityYou mean like the Mark Twain character? The king of masks (Loki) also seems to be purely alegorical, the fact that you mention hospitality may mean he was created as a character to scare the peasants into hospitality, "if you aren't hospitable le boogeyman will punish you for it" type deal.>>42903177>Silentium, Se TaireLe epic Latin/Roman larp words for silence, did you say them with a Sign of Harpocrates to? Gatekeeping leads to ignorance and ignorance leads to the shitshow world we have today, they say not to throw pearls unto swine but who are they to call others swine? May the pearls be cast and let them evolve the world, tis' all a sandbox and it doesn't matter in the end.
>>42903014It doesn't matter if it is real or not. The biggest fun is in trying to catch the rabbit, not actually catching it. /x/ used to be fun, because we were turning off our brains for a little, and turning on our imagination, thus entertaining ourselves with spooky stories, theories, and similar stuff. Nowadays, /x/ is just pure cancer, or maybe even worse. And you and your shitty gay thread contribute to it.
>>42903211No, not dryads. What are dryads even? No, basically different cultures (meaning they are spatially far away from each other, so it is unlikely that they just have shared the stories) say, that they witness trees changing places.Your only way of denying that this is possible is by claiming that they collectively forget about where trees used to be and falsely assume that they moved.
>>42903218Ah, the friends we made along the way/the journey not the destination "spiel", i remember those days of the internet to and i was fond of them to, but people do grow up anon and times change.You can't turn back time and no ammount of bitching about modernity will fix it, i've tried it to, the reason i made this thread was to try and regain that suspension of disbelief actually.>>42903232>meaning they are spatially far away from each other, so it is unlikely that they just have shared the stories.Global trade and conquest was a thing back then and cultures exchanged myths and stories like a telephone game, collectively saying something isn't proof of it, they all spoke of dragons back then only for it to turn out as dinossaur fossils.
>>42903250>amountYeah ESL moment.
>>42903211If it is your Will to proclaim yourself a magician, destroy the gates, and give all men the keys then do it. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole if the law. Love under Will."> evolve the worldThe world is not what you think it is
>>42903289>If it is your Will to proclaim yourself a magician, destroy the gates, and give all men the keys then do it.Others have already done that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1qACd0wHd0>"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole if the law. Love under Will."Do not confuse Thelemic Will with Compulsion (do what thou wilt doesn't necessarily mean do what you want), also that phrase if said to someone can be interpreted as a your surrender, you are telling someone to do as they will with you.>The world is not what you think it isAnd what do YOU think it is? I see it as a sandbox.
>>42903014I've had a few less than normal & paranormal experiences irl, most of them weird and pants shitting terrifying At ages of 4 to 6 I recall having dreams which came true the next day, it was small happenings like dreaming of sitting at my desk at home & getting a rainbow pencil as I was staring at a blank page, talking to a person I never met before in my dream & then having the same conversation with that person irl, things like that..A few years later I went to a summer camp with a friend who was a Hardcore Christian, one night as we were going to bed there was a strange light in one of the corners in the room, it was pitch black otherwise, the hallway had it's lights off & the shutters on the window were closed. We both saw it, we both tried to look for the source of it & then realized it didn't have any way to be originating from the outside. He started praying loudly & it did nothing while I was just laying there scared & dozed off after a while.When I was like 13 I was dumb enough to read a succgen thread cuz yknow, then as I was went through the posts I started sensing light touches on my shoulder, forehead, hand & back, it was like flower petals falling on my skin, then the post I read said that succubi & spirits can detect your mind if you read about them so uh yea.One time I interacted with a CIA employee over discord, it was one of the groups of friends I deeply regret being a stupid asshole to but I was 15 at the time & still consumed by hatred & resentment over some awful shit I went through when I was younger.During that time as I was in HS I was in a dormitory & I was rooming with a fat druggie psycho who helped murder someone when he was younger, one time I smoked weed with him & he told me demons talked to him.When I was 17 I went to another summer camp & the second person I talked to told me his dad worked was a lawyer in Brussels.gotta cont in another post
>>42903014Does the world exist when I close my eyes? Prove it.
>>42903303> do what thou wilt doesn't necessarily mean do what you wantI never said it did. > magic is art to influence people's consciousnessNo it isn't, but there are certainly magical elements there.
>>42903250Nope.
>>42903315Dreams and Synchronicities seem to be just a result of your own Brain and Apophenia, those lights could've just been any electronics in the room.>I started sensing light touches.The touches you felt could've been a Placebo effect from what you read.>& he told me demons talked to him.Superstition.>>42903342If you get kicked with your eyes closed that should be enough proof that the world is still there when you close your eyes, you could also have light shined in your closed eyelids to see silhouettes of the surrounding world, otherwise you see weird colorful geometric patterns as a result of your brain piecing together the darkness.>>42903345>I never said it did.>If it is your Will to proclaim yourself a magician, destroy the gates, and give all men the keys then do it.Ah i see, you said if it was my will specifically to do that instead of to do whatever i want (ESL moment perhaps?), i'd say that isn't my true will but it is conducive to it, when you give others the teachings interesting things happend and evolve, and from those new things you can sharpen your own iron, like how the apparent competition of capitalism breeds innovation.>No it isn't, but there are certainly magical elements there.Then what is it to you? Are you one of the ceremonial types who believes they can summon the divine with a few fisher price trinkets and elaborate halloween costumes?>>42903347Not a counterargument.
>>42903014Skepticism is mans incessant need to hold all the power in his own reality, a bump in the night is just a rat in the attic, the footfall on the stairs is just the house shifting, the alien in the backyard is a bluebeans hologram or AI, the lights in the sky are just le evil human government with technology beyond our imagination. It's all human centric, things we could maybe deal with if we wanted to. The world is NOT human centric. The sick irony though is; a world of skepticism is the kind of dark world where the supernatural has the most power over people, where it can exist in absolute secrecy among its cattle, pulling strings they don't know are there, hiding in mechanisms they can't understand. Trying to understand it is painful, so discount it as the wind and feel better, a generation is raised in a world that is now darker for it.
>>42903385>If you get kicked with your eyes closed that should be enough proof that the world is still there when you close your eyes, you could also have light shined in your closed eyelids to see silhouettes of the surrounding world, otherwise you see weird colorful geometric patterns as a result of your brain piecing together the darkness.That's a hallucination. The brain is trying to make sense of the lack of a world, so it makes stuff up. Also the light is a hallucination too.
>>42903385The Great Magical agent, known by many names, is in everything, and through everything. It is not nothing, but no-thing. A Magus does not think like the Sorceror does, a sandbox implies desire and leads to the Dark path.To command nothingness, is magic.
>>42903400>The world is NOT human centric.Food chains exist yes but our cognition appears to have placed us at the top of them.>Trying to understand it is painful, so discount it as the wind and feel betterThe attributions we give to alleged "paranormal" phenomena are not because we didn't try to understand them, they came from the fact that we DID try to understand them through science and only found something mundane, it's the wind because we went there and only found wind.You could pull up the "beyond human perception" thing as i said here >>42903020 but our machines to detect those also show nothing, you could even go beyond that with the mathematical dimensions but then it starts to get to theoretical and not concrete, you can say le theoretically it exists but nothing is proven so... the status quo still remains until then. >>42903412>The brain is trying to make sense of the lack of a world, so it makes stuff up.You are speaking of Robert Anton Wilson's reality tunnels, even if no two tunnels are alike they are still similar enough to feel the kick's damage, it is by no means a hallucination in that regard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRJC8b8qEk>>42903428Eliphas Levi is abrahamic slop and there is no tangible evidence of his magical agent nor any way to measure it concretely, and the dualist light and dark paths is also bullshit, the left and right hands belong to the same body.>To command nothingness, is magic.Wu Wei is a better analogy for that.
>>42903453> To command nothingness, is magic. "Cast the pearls at the swine, and let the world evolve!" You say. Yet here is the proof, visible in plain sight. I told you what I think magic is and you did not understand. > Eliphas Levi is abrahamic slopHe is a part of a Whole.> the dualist light and dark paths is also bullshitBullshit in what way? Chaos and the Ether don't care what you do when you command, there is no morality attached to it. What you do may be black, white, or gray. Ultimately, you will pay the price for your choices.
>>42903014What of the ball you're on? Floating in the void with mathematical precision? I suppose that would be the supernatural rather than the paranormal, but I'm a glass half full kinda guy.
>>42903315cont The conversation started out normally but he tried subtext-ing me to see if I was a normie but I passed, it was obvious he was one of the new generation of the powers that be, after the camp he invited me to a party to which I didn't go.When I was 19 I went to my first metal concert, as I sat down & the people around me relaxed I looked around and saw a guy sitting next to the fire, at first I thought nothing of it, then I saw an extra eye and mouth on his face, he noticed me being slightly weirded out cuz he fully turned his face towards me, then his extra eye squinted in an opportunistic expression as his other eyes remained at a regular openness, his additional mouth showed a wicked, predatory smile while his regular one remained neutral. It was like someone went into photoshop & edited on additional organs & blended them so they looked semi natural despite their obvious abnormality. When I saw that I looked at my hands and counted my fingers, I was in utter shock as I counted 10, then I recounted and was even more afraid to notice that he sat down next to me. We had a conversation & became friendly, then a few weeks later he told me that he made a deal, he'd cause pain to people in exchange for power & after that he tried to convince me to get a tattoo so that my essence would be bound to his amalgam but I declined, he got really weird so I parted ways cuz it was obvious that he was a criminal.>The touches you felt could've been a Placebo effect from what you read.a slight correction,>then the post I readthen the next post I read*
>>42903453>our cognition appears to have placed us at the top of them.Key word appears. Even as an Earth example, gut bacteria produces chemicals which can directly interface with the brain through the vagus nerve. There is a strong correlation between microbiome composition and autism/schizophrenia, specifically with dopamine sensitivity and production. The greatest predators on Earth are still btfo'd by a thing without a brain, made into caricatures of humanity that would almost imply cosmic sense of humor, to make tiktoks in their adult diaper fursuits against their theoretically clean wills.But that leads to an important question. How can you trust a single thing about your reality in a world where "TMS therapy" exists, where it is proven that you can fundamentally change a person, their perceptions and behavior through technology, and that the supernatural has existed far before people could replicate it with this technology?
>>42903506>Yet here is the proof, visible in plain sight.Eliphas Levi larps are not tangible proof of anything, and no amount of labels matter in the end, i.e you are le npc/swine/hylic etc...Le magical agent/ether was disproven by the Michelson–Morley experiment.>Ultimately, you will pay the price for your choices.Cause and effect are not white black or grey, also define Chaos? Do you mean the mystic greco-roman primordial chaos?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BVNP2Ac0EY>He is a part of a Whole.By "Whole" do you mean the theoretical Ein Sof or the one consciousness who apparently is experiencing itself subjectively as everyone? There is also no tangible proof of it.>>42903517>Floating in the void with mathematical precision?Water seeks it's own level and so does nature through evolution, what doesn't work just colapses, i wouldn't say that's the result of some meticulous architect of the universe as the mystics put it.>>42903528>then I saw an extra eye and mouth on his faceA hallucination perhaps, or a wicked metal cosplay since they are edgelords and like to larp to.>>42903529>The greatest predators on Earth are still btfo'd by a thing without a brainNatural selection, evolution and food chains yes, but said things without a brain also get btfo'd by non natural antibiotics and treatments that resulted from higher cognition, cognition still prevails.>How can you trust a single thing about your reality in a world where "TMS therapy" exists.>Brain damage makes you act differently.That doesn't prove the paranormal, you just rewire an existing system to get a different output, even if that system is composed of billions of neurons/wires, the subject gains a new reality tunnel that may materialize their inner archetypes but there's not really anything paranormal about itAnd the Yin Yang shape of the two photons on your picrel was entirely induced by scientists and is not the natural shape of a photon, they molded the light with a filter
>>42903617The proof was that I told you what magic is, and you compared it to Wu Wei which tells me you did not understand what I said. Which was expected, but an interesting experiment nonetheless. You will live 100,000 lives searching for this "tangible proof" and never find it. You're like a monkey extending his hairy arms into the night sky, trying to catch a star.
>>42903014Sure! Watch I can control your mind and body remotely:You’re now feeling your tongue in your mouth, you’re now manually breathing, and you now realize your ass is sweaty.Acknowledge my magickal prowess and weep worms!
>>42903641>The proof was that I told you what magic is, and you compared it to Wu Wei which tells me you did not understand what I said.You spoke of commanding nothingness, this nothingness you spoke of is not the void and no material thing as you said (so the ether), which was disproven by the Michelson–Morley experiment.To comand "nothing" and win is Wu Wei, commadning "nothingness" is also a paradox as how do you control nothing? If it isn't the void or no thing as you said then it's the ether, which again, isn't real.>You will live 100,000 lives searching for this "tangible proof" and never find it.Mystics believe that gamers don't die, they respawn, but the more scientific ideal of respawn is quantum immortality, one life over and over instead of the multiple incarnations of buddhism.>You're like a monkey extending his hairy arms into the night sky, trying to catch a star.Aren't we all?>>42903643Nah.
>>42903617>A hallucination perhaps, or a wicked metal cosplay since they are edgelords and like to larp to.I really wish it was dude, in one of our conversations per my request he uttered a mild magical attack aimed at disorientation, it was like metal scraping on metal & I felt it in my soul.If you really want proof of the supernatural in your life which in my opinion is a very bad idea, then the answer is to unlock the black chakra & read the Abramelin, foundational literature includes the Vedas, Franz Bardon, etc.Magic, the supernatural, paranormal isn't something separate from regular life, it's just that what we'd call the real world is the border between the higher states of being & lower ones, we're here to rise and fall, to be broken and remade until we learn to let go.
>>42903697>Black ChakraYou watch way to much anime, there are only 7 chakras and they correspond to the endocrine glands, there are 8 glands in total and some chakra systems do go to eight.>AbramelinCeremonial superstition.>VedasAllegorical philosophy and psychology.>Franz BardonOne of many larpers, he also believed in the Ether as Akasha, Dualism and entities.>Magic, the supernatural, paranormal isn't something separate from regular life, it's just that what we'd call the real world is the border between the higher states of being & lower ones, we're here to rise and fall, to be broken and remade until we learn to let go.Can you tangibly prove this though?
wish my poltergeist would go haunt OP's house instead so he can tell himself the shit getting flung around his room and curtains being ripped apart by invisible hands is "just applied psychology"
>>42903768The earth has micro quakes (which is how wall cracks form) and shit ass polyester curtains are not paranormal anon.
>>42903662> you're like a monkey> Aren't we all? No
>>42903771you're in the wrong thread for lame jokes >>42898290
>>42903806>NoProofs?>you're in the wrong thread for lame jokesYou're in the wrong thread for superstition.
>>42903815> Proofs?
>>42903014There really is no fixing stupid. If you bother to notice, the people who are reporting direct personal experience with the so called paranormal once were in the same position as everyone else, lacking personal experience and stuck trying to assess the situation from hypothetical conjecture and statistics.. as if probability math is somehow going to disclose the secrets of life, the universe, and everything. But then it happens; an event of direct personal observation and then suddenly they are forced into the other camp.Notice, this only works in one direction. The person who has direct personal experience doesn't need statistics or probably to simply be honest with themselves about what they encountered.The idea that the average human can be given the information may be unrealistic. Opportunity is necessary for the events of observation to occur. Extraordinary things exist that are beyond the ordinary. Even our existence is more sophisticated than our efforts to describe it have ever been.. and we are just beginning to find the tangible physical evidence of these quantum properties that are the basis of existence that the "paranormal" events are occurring within. You don't get to choose what is allowed to exist by exertion of your chosen beliefs. It is an absurdity of fanatical extremism to assert that you have somehow managed to choose correctly that which you are going to permit to exist based only on your own tiny sample of experience. You can pretend that you are living in the reality of your imagination by simply dismissing the genuine and sincere reports of extraordinary experiences, but reality is not waiting for you to approve it nor to authorize it. It will go right on existing no matter how unaware you choose to be of it. The thing that you are missing here is that your own subconscious is already very aware of much more than you have conscious awareness of. This goes for every aspect of paranormal.. take your pick.
>>42903733>You watch way to much anime, there are only 7 chakras and they correspond to the endocrine glands, there are 8 glands in total and some chakra systems do go to eight.The black chakra is called that because it is the combination of the bodily chakras, it is the first milestone of a neophyte magi.Ironically a really good show to give guidance to those seeking it is Avatar the Last Air Bender, the scene with the yogi on the mountain as Aang is being taught to clear his chakras is a good starting point.>>Abramelin>Ceremonial superstition.It's the equivalent of counting to 10 for a magi>>Vedas>Allegorical philosophy and psychologyYes, they're in my opinion a source of necessary reading due to the perspectives offered amongst other elementary knowledge.>>Franz Bardon>One of many larpers, he also believed in the Ether as Akasha, Dualism and entities.And he wasn't wrong, it's much more than what you've described but that remains to be discovered for those who want for adventure.>>Magic, the supernatural, paranormal isn't something separate from regular life, it's just that what we'd call the real world is the border between the higher states of being & lower ones, we're here to rise and fall, to be broken and remade until we learn to let go.Can you tangibly prove this though?Only if you believe in magic, so no, I can't prove it to you, but I could give you the name of the guy with three eyes if you're willing to accept getting potentially murdered due to criminal bullshit.
>>42903863K.>>42903866>as if probability math is somehow going to disclose the secrets of life, the universe, and everything.The Pythagoreans had high faith in math for their mysticism, the closest paranormal experience i've had was Synchronicity but that can be reduced to Apophenia no?>The person who has direct personal experience doesn't need statistics or probably to simply be honest with themselves about what they encountered.How can they have such blind faith in their "encounter"? How are they sure it's paranormal?>and we are just beginning to find the tangible physical evidence of these quantum properties that are the basis of existence that the "paranormal" events are occurring within.Paranormal by definition is phenomena that sit completely outside the scope of current scientific laws and cannot be explained by regular scientific mechanisms, which Quantum Mechanics does fall under for now, but when that's understood and done with what then?It seems the existence of the "Paranormal" is temporary until conventionl science eventually unfolds it.>It is an absurdity of fanatical extremism to assert that you have somehow managed to choose correctly that which you are going to permit to exist based only on your own tiny sample of experience.This "tiny sample" has been solidified through proven experiments, don't you think if there was more beyond it we would've seen it by now? Have we detected any life at the quantum level? Any of the so called "paranormal" entities?>>42903936>I can't prove it to youI guess that settles it.>I could give you the name of the guy with three eyes if you're willing to accept getting potentially murdered due to criminal bullshit.Not interested in metal edgelords so nah, his extra eye may also be a birth deformity.
>>42903815don't you have some gazans to kill? go be an insufferable jew somewhere else
>>42903984Not a jew, they are 10x more supersticious than me.The idea of the Eruv line is one of the most absurd things i've ever seen.
>>42903960>Not interested in metal edgelords so nah, his extra eye may also be a birth deformity.There is no known congenital anomaly which results in additional eyes on a single face.His extra eye and mouth weren't physical and other people weren't able to see them except for some others he had in his circle who were able to see.>>I can't prove it to you>I guess that settles it.You'd never pass getting subtext-ed
>>42904037>His extra eye and mouth weren't physical A hallucination then.>You'd never pass getting subtext-edK. Cool schizo story though i guess.
>>42903993Jews are literally a communal schizophrenic collective.
>>42903960Although interpretation is a matter of confidence in previous information having been correctly interpolated.. perception is not a matter of faith.There does exist a threshold of experience that destroys the notion that simple beliefs are in any way relevant to the basics of observation. You don't have to have an advanced theory about the quantum properties of consciousness to point blank be in the position of seeing a ghost.. or an alien vehicle.. or any of several types of sasquatch creatures. If you are in the position of having direct experience then it is no longer a matter of intellectual speculation. In effect, direct personal experience ends the question of a lack of proof. With that major hurdle behind you, you can proceed further to speculate on exactly what the reality is with one certain piece of knowledge that the final assessment must necessarily provide explanation for or otherwise the assessment may be dismissed as incomplete or inaccurate. Your position is vulnerable to the potential that you yourself will be burdened with your own direct personal observation and experience. Those who already have experience are not vulnerable to their own experiences being erased by the wishful thinking of others who lack that same experience
>>42904228>perception is not a matter of faith.It's a matter of brains and the reality tunnels that their respective neural wires create, we have an objective reality tunnel that is similar is enough between us that we can look at one object and call it red, but life outside of our reality tunnels has not been scientifically proven, it's related to what i said here >>42903020>If you are in the position of having direct experience then it is no longer a matter of intellectual speculation.Unless what you perceive as "direct experience" is some bluebeam psyop beamed into your head by some CIA mind weapon.>Your position is vulnerable to the potential that you yourself will be burdened with your own direct personal observation and experience.Even if i have an "experience" i'll still study it from a scientific lens and most likely find a reasonable explanation for it.
>>42904294>that is similar enoughcorrection
>>42903014Are black holes technically the ghosts of stars?
>>42904671Stellar-mass black holes are technically the collapsed, dead remnants of massive stars, not sure if i would call them "ghosts" though.
>>42904294 " Most likely " is a hypothetical forecast. What previous experiences do you have to support the assertion that this is a probable response?What tangible evidence do you have to support the notion that such a conceptual mind weapon even exists?
>>4290301499.9% of the matter in the universe exists in the form of plasma. We observe complex phenomena in plasmas that we can't explain. Humans worshiping the Sun makes complete sense if plasma houses advanced beings - it's the largest local plasma source.I only put a very small chance on this being true, but it's the closest thing in physics that is quite unexplored for "life".
>>42904899Of the observable matter Majority of matter is dark matterI think it might be in a higher dimension, therefore not observable. But scientists don't know about it (yet).
>>42903065Not OP but this thought always is in the back of my head.I have never had a paranormal or supernatural encounter in person, in dreams, or anything.Yet, I still believe that there is more to this (always have) and I don't want to be reincarnated into this world again. Is this a sign I'm a hylic/NPC or a sign I'm not going to evolve or progress beyond this unlike everyone else? :(
>>42904914that shit isn't real, it's just something these hacks calling themselves scientists made up to fill the holes in their obsolete physics they cling to for ego reasons
>>42904920Hylics don't have "nagging thoughts of something more". So if you've always had this you're almost certainly not a hylic. Those "nagging thoughts" is likely the divine spark within you, which is pushing you towards Gnosis. Whether or not you complete The Great Work in this life or the next is of little to no consequence to the real You. I'm not referring to your Persona in this life. If you don't wish to live here anymore, then you must find the way to do so, through Gnosis.
>>42904952Interesting, thanks.
>>42904890>What previous experiences do you have to support the assertion that this is a probable response?Synchronicities.>What tangible evidence do you have to support the notion that such a conceptual mind weapon even exists?MKUltra never ended.>>42904899>We observe complex phenomena in plasmas that we can't explain.It's only a matter of time before science unravels those.>Humans worshiping the Sun makes complete sense if plasma houses advanced beings - it's the largest local plasma source.Or they just worshipped it because it saved them from the Hellish winters?>>42904920>Yet, I still believe that there is more to this (always have).Be-LIE-f you say? >>42904921This.>>42904952>Hylics don't have "nagging thoughts of something more".I've had those thoughts forever since the start of my initial esoteric studies but they never lead anywhere nor was anything proven so here we are.>Those "nagging thoughts" is likely the divine spark within you, which is pushing you towards Gnosis.Proofs? Gnostics always speak of escaping reality and sparks, but where to? Why escape this plane and not fight for it?
>>42904964Well, then I don't think you're a Hylic. > but they never lead anywhere nor was anything proven so here we areGnosis just means knowledge. The knowledge that comes directly to you and you know it to be true deep within you. No one can give or take this away from you. It's not knowledge from a book, or observed through some device, it's knowledge that is born of you. > Gnostics always speak of escaping reality and sparks, but where to? Why escape this plane and not fight for it?The Pleroma is not a place, but a state of being. You could be in the Pleroma right now, but you CHOOSE to be here, why? The Magus understands this, and he may CHOOSE to remain in the Kenoma to aid others and fulfill his True Will.
>>42904914>Majority of matter is dark matterDark matter may not exist - it's currently just the most accepted theory, but it's far from proven. I suspect there's "drag" from another dimension at high energies/densities myself, but that's completely vibes.We know the standard model is wrong, but the question is how/why and what's the right theory.>It's only a matter of time before science unravels those.Agreed - I believe that IF Biblical/supernatural events actually happened, it was just advanced technology (not actual magic). Likely future humans time travelling given their interest in us and existing in our atmosphere.>Or they just worshipped it because it saved them from the Hellish winters?True, a perfectly logical explanation except it arose in climates that didn't have winters too. Now worshiping the giant glowing orb in the sky is I think "logical" in its own right, along with the moon, nature, death, ancestors, etc. I was merely presenting the steelman for plasma beings.
>>42904980>It's not knowledge from a book, or observed through some device, it's knowledge that is born of you.I would describe it as a feeling that you can't shake off or something that you can just feel much like the force from $0y wars, a traditional materialist would call it "le intuition", or as they say here "you just know"I did want to look at things from a purely scientific and atheist perspective and to take the role of the fedora wearer, but the nagging feelings and synchronicities don't allow me to make the full conversion, it's like you become physically incapable of fully becoming a materialist again after your mind expands with esoteric ideas.But even with these feelings i can't shake off that magick is just psychology and the entities are either human mis identifications or psyops, robert anton wilson took an agnostic aproach and took in all possibilites which made me think, what if magick is both things? What if it's both psychology AND actual harry potter tier wizardry? The need to make magic be one thing or another is quite dualistic>and he may CHOOSE to remain in the Kenoma to aid others and fulfill his True Will.Most aren't open minded and the hordes of consoomers can make someone angry enough to become misanthropic which is the case of the elite, they want a herd of cattle to sustain their economies and nothing else.>>42905031>Dark matter may not exist - it's currently just the most accepted theoryWhat about antimatter? A mirror world similar to ours like the upside down of Stranger Things, an anti particle for every normal particle.>it was just advanced technology (not actual magic).Doesn't the Mahabharata speak of nukes and flying machines?>except it arose in climates that didn't have winters too.Because of agriculture to, the sun saved them by growing food.>Now worshiping the giant glowing orb in the sky is I think "logical" in its own right.I personally chose a Saturnian path when i started, Saturn isn't just a planet.
>>42905129>What about antimatter?We observe very little of it, it's one of the reasons we know our current theory of the origin of the universe is wrong. The standard model demands matter = antimatter.>Doesn't the Mahabharata speak of nukes and flying machines?Possibly, just as Revelation/Ezekiel/Enoch may speak of time-travelling humans/aliens breeding with humans. These ancient people didn't have words for technology like we're describing, and much of this was written down decades or centuries after the alleged events. I agree the fact it's been preserved for centuries/millennia demands explanation ... but we really need whatever these beings are to come back to us.>I personally chose a Saturnian path when i started, Saturn isn't just a planet.The interesting thing about Saturn is that its rings are only 100 million years old: its possible life existed on the moons that the rings used to be.
>>42905224>Possibly, just as Revelation/Ezekiel/Enoch may speak of time-travelling humans/aliens breeding with humans.The bible is mostly astro theological but the Ophanim are just straight up lovecraftian aliens, Hermaeus Mora vibes, tell me the winged wheels with eyes aren't aliens like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e8ZoFg-CC8>The interesting thing about Saturn is that its rings are only 100 million years old.Read this entire thread i made a while back if you want to know how Saturn works as the Demiurge/Architect of this world, it's a very good read:https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42465735I tried to argue there was no architect in this thread but before i tried this atheistic materialism out i was mostly gnostic, now that i've seen again it doesn't work out i'll go back to gnosticism again as it's the most sensible belief in the midst of dogmas and materialists.Saturn is usually vilified by Abrahamites but the true Gnostic knows Saturn isn't just the Adversary (Satan), the true Gnostic sees Saturn as a stepping stone toward the divine, the gate of Binah before Kether, the final sphere before the infinite.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APisfyIUh4
>>42903014Ah, the homosexual is bugchasing again... No, you don't want evidence. You want to troll AND steal. Applied psychology is a scam that healed no one. Psychatry is a faery tale that doesnt heal AND is peer reviewed to cause brain damage. (Yes, they cause brain damage over making you abandon uour brliefs).>I've been stalking youWe know. >I've readSure you have, dissect and explain standard non sigil based chaos magick operations. >Physical evidencePeople who post good stuff get boards like 4chan infested by drooling retards with the disimilation skills of an elephant trample devoted to Jesus and by your ilk. >Ghosts arent real, we just make up mentall ilnesses that for some reason override legal rights and have police grade authorization. Strange disease is the one that only a lawyer can heal.
>>42905306>Ah, the homosexualNo u faggot.>No, you don't want evidence.I do actually, but it appears there isn't any, it's something you can only feel and not physically prove.>We know.I lurk the board to sift nuggets of truth within the LLM and slide thread drivel.>Sure you have, dissect and explain standard non sigil based chaos magick operations.You can't really dissect Synchromysticism so i'll just talk about Servitors, this explanation is pretty straight forward.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oesOm6XDW9w&t=60sI've also done Paradigm Shifting in this thread ;)>People who post good stuff get boards like 4chan infested by drooling retards with the disimilation skills of an elephant trample devoted to Jesus and by your ilk.Do you even English bro?>Strange disease is the one that only a lawyer can heal.The fuck are you even on about?
>>42905318I don't believe you. I posted a photograph of a Spirit drawn fresco, viewable only with UV flashlight. Everyone ignored
>>42905322>I don't believe you.K.>I posted a photograph of a Spirit drawn frescoThe fuck are you even on about? Do you mean in this thread? If so which reply?>viewable only with UV flashlight.Jacking off into a canvas is not "spirit drawn".
Nothing but delusions on this board.There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, spirits, life after death, demons, tulpas, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to live. Reality is both a giant playground for us to explore and progress in, but also an arena for us to fight in for our false ideologies. If you fail at life, you will never find anything to hold on to. No aliens, no haunted houses, no spirits, no demons to fight. You're only fighting with your own delusions, and desperately trying not to hit the absolute bottom. Now try to prove me wrong, if there really is anyone still treating this paranormal shit seriously.
>>42905333>333 Demonic Post.>Everything is actually nothing goy, become nothing with me.Nah.
>>42905129>>42905333>>42905342Interesting mention of Magick as as including Psychology. Magick is both of the Logos (λόγος) and Pneuma (πνεῦμα).The nature of reality is both Mind and Spirit, therefore Magick necessitates both Mind (Logos) and Spirit (Pneuma). I was just reading about how some of the stuff Crowley wrote about the Goetic entities. He did not consider them actual entities but rather states or human consciousness. He specifically evoked Chronozon. Synchronicity.
>>42903014Yes.Yes.The Women in White, a faction of NHI that have influenced human belief systems across the world for thousands of years. They appear as women in white clothing, transform into or associate with bovine animals, give religious prophecy and control UFOs. They have a four-coloured flag that has appeared in almost every belief system.https://youtu.be/JkUrVh8knj8 https://youtu.be/LMv1k49sAM0 https://youtu.be/VlRqTgobV3o https://youtu.be/1Jvr4O7pG9I
>>42905385>He did not consider them actual entities but rather states or human consciousness.If reality is both mind and spirit as you say then aren't the entities real and not just states of human consciousness? If they are mind they are also spirit no?>He specifically evoked Chronozon, Synchronicity.Is Choronzon synchronicity?>>42905390>broken bot replyBuy an ad for your YT channel.
Will study's convince you?
>>42905426No. I think I’ll continue as I am.
>>42905426There are different schools of thought about these things. In some studies, Goetic demons, egregores, etc. are considered external entities. In other schools, these entities represent different states or levels of human consciousness. This is what Crowley believed, which is why when he supposedly invoked Chronozon, he physically assaulted Neuburg. I say invoked, rather than evoked (as I previously stated) because he allowed Chronozon to possess his mind and body. Levi held the thought that various entities were "astral larvae" or psychological projections of the human mind forms of "lower astral currents" or "thoughtforms", not entities. These astral larva become visible, taking on forms of your fears, hates, disgusts and more during astral travel, sleep paralysis, etc.I'm not sure what my position is regarding that yet, right now I think it could be either. There is no reason in my opinion why other entities could not exist. All is derived from the Blythos. In it exist the full spectrum of dualities. Could a fragment of the Pleroma exist in a demon? I don't know. > Is Choronzon synchronicity?Chronozon was just a synchronicity to me because I had just finished reading about that Crowley invocation when I came here and read that Chronozon reply. Is there a meaningfullness to this coincidence? I don't know, seemed like it. Maybe not given that this is /x/
>>42905476Either way you think of it, it could make sense. In the legend, King Solomon was given a ring signet by the Archangel Michael. This brass and iron ring, known as The Seal of Solomon, allowed him to bind and command the Goetic demons safely. With this power he was able to exploit the demons and build the temple. Another way to look at this same legend, is that the Seal of Solomon was internal. Through the Tetragrammaton, the King was able to bind and command the demons of his mind and his lower self to build the temple, the Athanor.
>>42905248>tell me the winged wheels with eyes aren't aliens like thisThe fact they're so unlike anything on Earth makes me believe they could be real if I'm being honest. It's the humanoid "aliens" I believe are time-travelling humans. Something truly unlike anything on Earth (6 winged covered in eyes, 4 heads, etc.) points to something not of Earth. Whereas anything bipedal with 2 arms and a head with 2 eyes and a mouth is FAR to close to human to not be related. The chances extra terrestrial life evolved such a similar form is simply beyond probability.>Read this entire thread i made a while back if you want to know how Saturn works as the Demiurge/Architect of this world, it's a very good read:Meh, magic shapes or numbers are very uncompelling. If there genuinely is anything "supernatural", it's just advanced technology - not magic shapes.We should be searching for new physics, not magic.
>>42905476>Levi held the thought that various entities were "astral larvae" or psychological projections of the human mind forms of "lower astral currents" or "thoughtforms", not entities.>picrel>Could a fragment of the Pleroma exist in a demon?More like Kenoma.>Is there a meaningfullness to this coincidence?All is connected, Indra's Net.
Op is not talented and gifted. He is mid tier cognizant and beginning the process of self validification.The big next step for op is experience. Whether in this life or future liv3s this will continue until op will be seeing quite deeply through the context of this universe into the next beyond.. and even this is only a beginning of the introduction to the occupants of these other realms. At some point in the future technology that can assist in bridging the divisions between realms of realities will exist. All of humanity is gradually growing into the context that this future technology will require. It will be a technology of the mind and consciousness that will eliminate the questions of uncertainty that exist in the minds of those who are as yet unguided by their own abilities to perceive beyond the boundaries of these realms.This is the eventual circumstance. The distractions of the moment are the details of this progression.
>>42905577OP here, Checked.
Pray to God for rain and he will show you that he exists but the Jews will never tell you this they believe the Divine era has passed and they think that is the reason God does not answer the world but the truth is that God does still answer but he wants nothing to do with those idiots Jews who disappointed him that is why he does not help them defeat Iran and why the Jews remain scattered across the globe it is God curse upon Israel
>>42905715Any effort to eliminate the toxicity of corrupted data into the natural human state of awareness has reason scrutinize the word "god" and question the origin of this word and this concept.If you did not find the existence of the tangible item itself in nature, why does it arrive in your vocabulary? The people who introduced the concept did so with a much developed plan of extortion from those who accept the terminology as meaningful and relevant. Find the thing in nature or dismiss the notion. Trace things back to their origins, and go deeper when everyone else is told to stop. Look further back into the history and the lies become obvious.
>>42905729..has reason to scrutinize
>>42903014>Magick is just applied psychology with robes.close but no cigar. The paranormal (at least when it comes to magic) is when Human bullshittery, creativity, and paranoia is weaponized so much that it stops becoming bullshit. It's fake-it until you make it and the psuedo effect taken to the extreme 'nth degree. If you weaponize your own delusions in a calculated manner you can quite literally shape, effect, or change the way you perceive and interface with reality.
>>42905342Cope
>>42905750Amplified Placebo basically.>>42905777>777The number of Kek A.K.A Tsathoggua, also demonic.
>>42903014>Is the paranormal real? Yes>And if so, can you prove it?Nope
>>42907266>Dem Dubs Doe
One of the core features of fiction -portrayed magic is that you have to believe in it to see or access it.One of the features of religion is that you have to be open to belief to experience confirmation.If magic is real there's a possibility that by framing your perspective as "prove it" you are rendering yourself incapable of having it proven. It's not the domain of the "rational materialist." They're precisely incompatible.
>>42907300The image comes to mind of a crusader in full platemail in the process of swinging his sword down on an enlightenment thinker while the smarty-pants pleads with him, "God isn't even real! There's no evidence! Ack"
>>42907300Open to be-LIE-f you say?>>42907313Crusader you say? They were the first multinational corporation.
>>42905385>He did not consider them actual entitiesHe did when he got older ;)
>>42905333>every single human before the 1900's were simply le wrong!lol
>>42908549Source?
>>42907266>Placebothe best evidence of the paranormal?
>>42909936How is Placebo paranormal? It's known humans are susceptible to suggestion, Placebo is just self sugestion.
>>42909277> source? His ass.
>>42905451ig not; oh well your loss
>>42905451>>42910091Are these studies done by (((experts)))?
>>42910096well you lost your fucking Chace by actively airing me to check someone, so no clarifying questions, f u
>>42910153jewish lies have got nothing to do with clarification about anything. Their entire worldview and belief system is utter bullshit, lies, and delusion
Jews learned how to create an echo chamber for hyping up their own noise several thousand years ago. They hack language and culture to capture other humans so they can pretend they are only capturing wild mindless animals. Then they do to these "animals" whatever they want. Their prophecies are delusional bullshit. Where possible they create self reinforcing bullshit and self fulfilling lies.
>>42903014It’s just cool stuff 4 shitz n giggles.
>>42903014Anyone who walks across time as a landscape is god de facto to us.
>>42915524I remember that taxi video, can you prove it's real though?
>>42903014Yes.In person and with enough time, yes, it can be evidenced. What is important to examine is exactly how you are going about avoiding observing the phenomenon that you have the opportunity to observe. You are already very proactively involved in avoiding observation of the phenomenon. Your subconscious is attempting to protect your conscious level of mind. If you were suddenly burdened with everything that you are already actively ignoring you would like have mental health issues for a while as you attempt to come to terms with the information.
>>42916885So any multi dimensional being like an old one.>>42919189>In personIllusionists also do their tricks in person.>Your subconscious is attempting to protect your conscious level of mind.I've already touched on our sensory filter here >>42903020 the assassin's creed games imply humans were nerfed like this on purpose and we were made unable to see beyond our visible spectrum.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDkPtam4_UA>If you were suddenly burdened with everything that you are already actively ignoring you would like have mental health issues for a while as you attempt to come to terms with the information.The people we call "schizos" have had this experience apparently, some say that what they see is not mere hallucinations but other planes of existence.
>>42921782Some people just have the dumb.There is no getting through to them through the thick force field of dumb.It's like a helmet made out of purple haze, static, and pure stupid.The evidence is not available to them; they are intent on deliberately misrepresenting the information prior to allowing observation of the raw data.The direct experience is met with a dumbfounded lack of comprehension and dismissal. Then they go right back to recitation of the preconceived expectations that were the only thing that they were ever going to acknowledge. Futility is an understatement. They are actually hiding from the reality of their own direct experience In a moment their entire illusion of imaginary reality can be destroyed by simple observation.
>>42922304>They are actually hiding from the reality of their own direct experienceAren't we all to an extent? Our eyes can only see so much, however there is technology that can mess with our own direct experience which can make one doubt themselves to.
>>42922476Those who are limited by their level of experience presume others to be similarly constrained. Those who have stepped free presume others to be capable of doing the same
>>42922665>Those who are limited by their level of experience presume others to be similarly constrained.We do all have a human body that can only filter a certain slice of the light spectrum no? Unless you are "schizo" and have "hallucinations" of other adjacent planes.>Those who have stepped free presume others to be capable of doing the sameEveryone is capable of going "schizo" and seeing beyond, not everyone can handle that and apply it usefully though.
>>42922774Those who have a damaged underdeveloped conceptualization of their own mental processes and capabilities are subject to being indoctrinated with deliberately misdirected focus on their own ability and natural functions of mind. Whether they were potentially intelligent or not the indoctrination prevents them from becoming actually competent in conceiving of the functionality of their own minds.They are not starting from a blank slate and attempting to learn in good faith and sincerity. The indoctrination has them performatively demonstrating cyclic logic loops that they have locked their minds in to prevent them from correctly mentally modeling their actual circumstance.In effect they are blind to the full capacity of their own perception. This becomes a matter of concern between their desires to learn and the limitations installed in them by their indoctrination.They will cyclically recite their narratives of belief instead of simply examining their own existence in quiet contemplation. They will not gather the observational data that would enable them to grow out of the conditions deliberately created by the indoctrination.
>>42903014>secret societiesThey mainly run on blackmail. Just because they engage in the rituals doesn't mean they actually believe. Once you get that high, your assurance from assassination is that you get group protection and the group gets to own you, in a sense. It's a function of power and power retention. Thus, they likely wouldn't get to keep their money if they weren't in the society in the first place. It is actually one of the reasons why meritocracy can never work.
>>42923735Are you saying i should adopt alternate frameworks or belief systems purely for the joy and elegance of exploration rather than an immediate hunt for absolute truth?
>>42924862Belief is of very limited value only as a temporary crutch in absolute necessity while otherwise in the absence of knowledge. Confusion is of more value in the process of experiential data gathering. Honest accounting of your actual knowledge is necessary. Be able to identify arbitrary claims that have no basis in tangible observations. Look at your memory. You exist in the here and now as an extension of what has gone before.. so look closely at the imagery within your mind. Find the memories that you have not yet comprehended and re-examine them. Search the edges of what you do have certain memory of.. see how much detail of your daily life you can easily remember.. then re-examine the time period for the details you have set aside. What you are looking for are any scenes that don't quite make sense or are disorienting.. things that can't be true but somehow you remember them. Examine the dreams that you once had in full clear detail..The objective is to learn how to see visual imagery within the mind. It is a beginning step towards a function of your mind that merits exploration When a ghost presence was walking behind me I could clearly hear the footsteps on the dry leaves.. but when I turned to see.. there were only two feet prints as if small feet had been slid forward in the leaves.. piling them up on top of the two feet that I was not able to see. After I had stared at the sight for several seconds I was just about to turn and continue walking when the two invisible feet shuffled and ran across the cemetery to a far corner with a massive sprawling cedar tree.Long story short; Leah had died in the 1870s and was the first person to be buried there.. and was the only one young enough to be what I had seen with the tiny steps running.. 4 years old. The sprawling tree was covering her marker stone.
>>42924862>>42925212Odd to see.. but seeing is not scientific comprehension.. it was broad daylight and no wind. I am certain it was not illusion. For me this serves as a point of contemplation. I have other experiences. Having seen this I know not to formulate theories that can not be true in light of this direct observation.
Yeah its all bullshit but I'm here for fun. This board has probably the lowest collective IQ out of them all. I think porn boards might somehow still end up higher. There's also ungodly levels of narcissism and self delusion. But when its good its very good!
>>42925212>Examine the dreams that you once had in full clear detail..I keep a dream journal and i've had some pretty strange dreams that i wrote down, in one recent dream i was visited by the figure known as the hat man, however he wasn't his usual adult self, it was like a child version of him, same black trenchcoat and a black bucket hat.The dream began when i heard an air raid siren outside of an appartment i was in, the sky was orange as if it was set either during sunset or sunrise, when i opened the window i looked at the sky then my neigbours balcony, and there he was, standing there looking at me, when our eyes locked i woke up, the dream left me very shook and it's said that the hat man is a bad omen.
>>42903014If any of those are real, then it wouldn't be surprising we can't currently detect them. Bacteria was discovered a little over 300 years ago, and even then was forgotten and rediscovered because no one took it seriously. On top of that our approach to science is biased towards consensus approval, and certain areas of science remain classified (with legal assassinations if a civilian gets too far), so we're worse at covering new ground.I'm open minded.
>>42925306>This board has probably the lowest collective IQ out of them all. That would be /v/ and /pol/ who demonstrated time and time again they can't read. They're higher functioning on the surface but have problem solving skills so embarrassing that a Tiktok zoomer would comparatively be an intellectual./x/ is a board where a bunch of mildly intelligent people became stoners and talk about gangstalking and LSD, so it's a different beast altogether.
>>42903014Nah, stuffs fake bro. This is all there is. Y.O.L.O!!! (is what I’d say if I were a complete cornball.)
>>42903014>Another paid thread Shift click
>>42925306>lowest collective IQhoneslty I am not sure , its mostly a race to the bottom to what kind of person is dumber in my opion , rather than a mediam to what should be the arverge poster. -retard with -2000 iq.
Yes, read Sorcery by J. Finley Hurley. You can get it for free on libgen. It's a very heavily sourced overview of examples of mind over matter and supernatural phenomena.
>>42903014>And if so, can you prove it? the quickest way would be to fuck around by worshipping some small evil "god/entity" from shitholes like mexico or SEA, but that's a bad idea for many reasons it would be longer but much more safe to do business with less agressive "gods" who doesnt have a huge cults but wants some believers. for example, some local anon worships ishtar, you can try it out
>>42929226When was it published?
>>42903014Well, is not like in "Supernatural". I think. But miracles are real. Christ is real.
>>42903014>I can prove it but I'm not going to./thread
>>42903014>Is the paranormal real? Yes.>And if so, can you prove it?There's ways one can prove them for themselves. Even with minor abilities or signs of things falling under paranormal obtained genuinely - it's usually nothing great enough for average person to be unable to discard them as something else/scam.It's a bit like with things like love - very hard to prove it's not something else even to yourself till you actually experience it for longer and mature seeing what it is and isn't. Even harder to prove to others that you love as each gesture, action and word can be interpreted as guided by something else.
>>42928384>That would be /v/ and /pol/ who demonstrated time and time again they can't read. They're higher functioning on the surface but have problem solving skills so embarrassing that a Tiktok zoomer would comparatively be an intellectual.Nah, they're about the same. With, the way anonymoius boards operate in general, huge variation between users showing unfiltered mass of all kinds of voices. It's just nature of such things and board culture, encouraging certain behavior, tribalism etc that makes people act retarded.Compare with places like /soc/ which on one hand has wide variety of people, but on the other goddamn there's so many horny, socially inept retards the place seems like anathema toward its own theme. Similarly, it was a /b/ reputation since people there do come and show up to shitpost and do dumb stuff.In the end, anons aren't neatly limited to boxes and majority of them appears on at least several boards from what I know.
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>>42903014The universe has created a special place for stupid people. Tell us more about what it looks like from there.
>>42903014https://youtube.com/shorts/YhRuW8QqClc
>>42903014>physical evidence>physical>paranormal >para-Damn, I can't figure out how to get my tools that are designed to measure the normal world to measure the beyond normal world. Hmm
>>42903211dubs, but to that last point it's pretty evident that placing concepts in front of people who are not yet equipped to deal with its nuance is a poor decision.
>>42924862Not OC, but this is probably a good idea. No need to take everything so seriously. It seems to not take itself all that seriously at some points. The "truth" is most likely emergent from this
>>42940096You actually have to approach the problem from the other side of the equation; you must develop the mental tools for measuring the "beyond normal" world and then train them to a high degree of certainty on the physical normal world. Remote viewing and out of body observation of the physical world are the basis for development of certainty and clarity of the accuracy of your cognitive perception observations.Once you are familiar with the degree of accuracy that you actually do have then you are somewhat qualified to evaluate observation of materials beyond the ordinary material realm.This has to suffice as a starting point.
>>42903014right?i get it,its fun totheorise everything, but when those things starts to affect your real life, its when you have to stop
>>42903119like...the bible?
>>42944570xD
>>42944554When you see it for yourself it is no longer theory.Then it becomes a matter of "those in the know" versus "those who have the confidence of the ignorant".The ignorant imagine that because they have no direct fully conscious first person experience then it is necessarily true that no one else has direct personal experience either.The ignorant love to tell other people what they didn't see. Bizzar overconfident delusion.
>>42905342>333>Demonic post
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>>42903014So, spirit boxes work by seeking over multiple frequencies in a range. Usually this comes through as random words, or sets of words, from stations on those frequencies. I recently did a spirit box on a famously haunted doll and it responded directly to my questions and multiple times in a row, repeating the answers three times. Knowing how a spirit box works this is especially telling that something paranormal is truly afoot.
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>>42944595so, what did you "see"?
>the glowie is spamming reddit image derailment
>>42903014It's real, at least some of it. Most, I'd even say that 99.9% at the very least, is either LARPing or people in genuine need of medical help, but there are phenomena which are /x/.Magic is that which science has not studied and explained yet.
>>42946032>Magic is that which science has not studied and explained yet.That would be the paranormal by definition, not magic.
>>42903020>>42903065>Heh, you only believe in REAL things and my thing isn't real so I win!A beautiful self own. These fucking idiots really think saying this stupid shit will get people to believe them lol.
>>42945256>Everyone I don't like is a glowieThis term is so overused now. You don't have anything else? Are you genuinely stupid enough to think a government employee wastes their time scrolling through x? They know you people are fucking retards who will believe anything.
>>42946244>glowing intensifies
>>42946244Exactly what a glowie would say.Of course you don't have to be a glowie to recite the narrative. You are of course far more likely to be one of the idiots that they have managed to contain with the narrative, and you are too stupid and inexperienced to realize the truth.Almost everyone spends at least part of their life in the same condition of stupor, unaware of the potential for more than the ordinary explainable experiences, but some people never grow out of the condition. They cleave to the condition of ignorance with an irrational confidence in their own limitations.
>>42946260Don't bother arguing with them, they will only ragebait and drive the thread into argument slop, just call them out or ignore them for shitting up threads.
>>42905333digits confirm
>>42946263>t. picrelalso demonic digits, see >>42905342
>>42905390The only actual paranormal proof in this thread and it gets ignored LMAO the state of /x/
>>42946277None of that shit is real dude, you know you are a certified moron when you believe this shit.
>>42946310Belief is what you have when you have no direct personal experience.
>>42946277>>42946315buy an ad for your youtube channel, also stop the samefagging.
>>42946364I'm not the other person who posted the links. You are just being stupid and wrong on yet another subject.
>>42946684Cap.
>>42946796And just like every other time you are stupid and wrong, you are doubling down on the error.If you are not a paid shill you should look into the job. The problem for you is that from the position of paid shill, operating on assignment, you would eventually realize that you are being assigned to prevent public discussion of aspects of reality that have been noticed by many various groups of people across the population.But of course you don't believe anyone would bother to do that.. because you are wrong and stupid at every possible occasion where Dunning Krueger can save you from reality.
>>42946259>>42946260You're a massive cocksucking faggot and Donald Trump is an abusive kid touching pedophile in bed with Zionists I hope all of these lying ass politicians get hung from the gallows. Would a government employee say that? Go outside and touch grass. When your cope with your conspiracy theories that some bullshit cabal trying to silence you is when you know your conspiracy is fucking shit. If they really cared to shut you the fuck up they'd do it. You're on a honeypot website crying about feds, actual fucking retard. ;)>>42946262Don't bother arguing with them they make you confront that your theories are bullshit and require more and more extraordinary evidence to justify it. Nooo noo just call them a glowie and close your ears, you're clearly the open-minded one! The collective intelligence of /x/ ,people. Notice how no one proved anything to be true here and would rather word salad you to death and argue the semantics of the topic or call you their secret evil made u opposition rather than actually prove anything or back up the statements made with tangible evidence. They spend so much time acting like a pursued victim the only way they can cope with their shitty conspiracies is straight up denial of reality. And when that happens, that's when they believe anything. I'm ready for you retards to reply to this post with your gay little image macros. Or rather it's just one retard sperging trying to seem like he's more than one person. Which is even more pathetic when you think about it.
>>42946990You could have just said that you are retarded instead of giving the full demonstration.. but now that that's out in the open maybe you can go get some help with the Dunning Kruger problem that is eating you alive.You are here to defy all of humanity with the argument that your tiny sample of experience is beyond the experience of all of the rest of your fellow humans. Everything that you have not experienced no one else has either?You're simply retarded and too hyped up on the smell of your own farts to get a clue. One of the clearest signs is your assumption that multiple people are a singular straw man opponent. You have repeatedly cited one of my posts and one of someone else so I can see this clearly.
>>42947012>Uses Dunning Kreuger incorrectly but wants to call me a retard.I love that the conspiracy theory types are some of the most bold and uneducated people on the Internet and they will prove it with their whole chest. Like you just did. To be fair, you need to be uneducated to believe shit like this as it only works on stupid people like you. Got anything else or are you going to start misusing logical fallacies too while we're at it? Maybe call me your made up opposition again, demon, glowie, etc? Whatever label you can put on me to cope I guess. You also read nothing of what I typed because then you went on a tangent about something I'm not even talking about. So you're retarded, susceptible to stupid ideas, can't track a conversation it makes sense for you to feel threatened by me. I threaten your safe space of saying bullshit unimpeded and confirmation biases. I apologize. You know what would shut me the fuck up? If you actually had evidence of the Paranormal. Or when the jannies delete this thread because they feel bad I'm breaking your gay little kayfabe. Let's see that evidence and not you discussing the semantics of the word evidence so you can run away from it. For some reason none of you can provide that. Where's my gay little image macro with greentext because you have nothing else to contribute? Come on bro, I know you got the folder on lock when you're in your feefees about your flimsy ass theories getting ripped apart. This is a containment LARP board to make sure you assholes don't stink up anything else besides this and /pol/. You try to stink up /sci/ with this shit and get ridiculed and laughed at.
>>42946985>calling me a shillProjection, you are the one shilling your shitty youtube channel, buy a fucking ad.>>42946990>>42947109>seething glowing walls of text
>>42947160>>42947109You are both deeply and devoutly retarded
>>42947160There it is! Dance, monkey.>>42947435Here's your (you)
>>42945256>derailment your post is more derailing than those pics
>>42946260>the truthand the evidence is..
>>42903014I agree with most of it. Ayys are fake. Cryptids are fake, ghosts are fake.But magick and gods are real.The base of reality is mind/mental. Therefore egregores and thoughtfroms are real things in the collective unconscious and can Influence the world through that collective unconscious. You can also use magick to tap into thay collective unconscious and to command these thought forms and egregores to shape reality and influence others. Yes it's all in your head. But all of reality exists in your hear, so it is real.
>>42946239I give 0 fucks whether or not you believe me lol. Actually, 99% of people are dumb fucking cattle, so a dumbass like you "not believing me" is a compliment. Kys.
>>42949081Yeah nice try faggot. You have nothing to show you don't have to declare anything to me.
>>42948842Stupid people come to stupid conclusions. It's just the natural way of things. Some people are not ever going to see reality as it is; they settle on an oversimplification filter through which everything they see is interpolated. There's no point trying to get them to acknowledge anything deeper or more exactly and correctly comprehended.They have settled on almost having knowledge and they are too content to move a further inch.>>42903020Public sci is not the authentic sci. The public sector are contained and rendered incompetent.. and logic is not the path towards truth that it provides the appearance of being. Statistical analysis can be used to expose or conceal what has been done but it does not expose what actually does exist. >>42903085>>42903105Sophomoric and self satisfied you are unlikely to establish further understanding.
>>42903119>>42903091Those who have begun to use direct cognitive perception discover that others have gone before doing the same. It's right there for all who can see to see.Few actually are able.It's no longer superstition when you have experience.It is somewhat tragic that the inexperienced are so delighted by the limits of their own existence, due to their own shallow measure they don't even notice the depths of others.
>>42949081Belief is not worth much. By definition it is wrong or, at best, incomplete. It is better to suspend belief and disbelief alike. Both are various forms of incorrect. Neither are true knowledge. It probably doesn't sound like focused guidance to suggest that you open the mind and eyes to observe.. and to learn from nature that which actually does exist.Seeing for yourself you are in the better position when in the presence of those who have had no encounter with the extraordinary.. or none that they are able to remember. Their incompetence can be a nuisance but we all had to grow out of that condition so a little patience and tolerance is in order.
>>42948842>plausible things not real but magic bs isI know the psyop you are trying to play
>>42948807You have a responsibility to yourself to develop deep insights into the accurate truth. What is a life lived entirely in deception?The concepts that have been handed to you by others are inadequate. How have you lived such a sheltered life that you have no direct observation of any extraordinary aspects of your own existence?You most certainly have some form of encounter with the unusual things that you are now demanding proof of. The reason for your being here are not entirely concealed from everyone even if you have no conscious awareness of this.You are crying for proof as if your psyche has been harmed by same and you are at a loss to comprehend I have watched as other humans bury their once fully conscious memories in order to preserve their sanity.. and what they had seen was my own ordinary existence in full conscious awareness of the beings from the stars. I didn't lose the memory.. but the other person was only able to honestly describe what he had seen for about a week before doubt and worldview conspired within his mind to rewrite the memory and to push it away from the conscious mind.
>>42949532https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgha03umwhwI was familiar with the beings enough for one I was close to to compel us to step outside moments before a close fly over with a series of gear changes for this mode of flight. It's done for concealment from the human efforts.. time is an adjustable phenomenon in the presence of sufficient technology. They have added time to the field of the vehicle. From the onboard perspective this quick flight was hours long. This is literally the crew I used to work with with full conscious awareness during a majority of the interactions. They are the tip of the iceberg as far as paranormal goes. I have much experience.. I cannot give you the experience; you must find your own.
>>42946239Are you fucking retarded?
>>42948795>>42948807>glownigger doubles down on reddit faggory and ragebaiting.Your (you) farming is garbage and thread sliding/derailment.
>>42903014I can only prove the paranormal real from personal experience. In my mind, there is no doubt of that. I can tell you the reasons why, but people are quick to dismiss personal anecdotes.
>>42946310Can you explain it then? No scholars have even noticed it. Those cultures never met, yet tell the of the same thing.
So are these shills on assignment or are they retarded retards just being naturally retarded?
Op didn't stick around for the discussion. There is evidence posted in the thread.
OP didn't stick around for the discussion.There is evidence posted in the thread.
>>42903014>Is the paranormal real?Yes, I've seen it.>And if so, can you prove it? No, I cannot prove to others what only I have seen.
>>42903014dunking on a common hylic threadhahaha get fucked, son!!
>>42954227What evidence of the paranormal is there? Your youtube channel shilling?>>42954309How do you know that what you've seen is paranormal?>>42955485Prove the paranormal or cap.
>>42956167cap(alapadingdong)?? lowkeyhighkeymidkeysidekey?? ong(abonga)??quit talking like an inner city black child and you might evolve
>>42956167Where you go matters. One moment will turn you from skeptic to directly personally experienced.Your subconscious mind is crying for attention because it knows something that you can't handle yet.Maybe you have been avoiding the mysteries of the unexplained Maybe you are not ready during this physical life.. so go ahead and try to outlast nature You are eventually going to dieThat body is not the beginning nor the end of you You are not sincere in asking here.. nothing posted here will cause you to acknowledge that there's anything unusual in the imagery. Being unable to acknowledge it is your limitation.. not same as lack of evidence.
>>42949659No but apparently you are since you have nothing of substance to share.
>>42957484You are reciting your mantra as if disbelief is your religion.. and you are a fanatic devotee.Do you avoid the places where you would likely experience the unusual and extraordinary?What would you consider to be paranormal?Sasquatch?Ghosts?Telekinetic forces?Alien beings?Genetically altered grain inside the affected area of a crop circle? ..obviously not altered by rope and boards..Orbs of light (that also make a sound, iykyk)What is the requirement of your request?Be specific, what would you consider as evidence of the paranormal?You seem insincere and obstinate.. disinterested in anything that you can't easily ridicule. You have ignored several things posted in this thread.
>>42903014
>>42957300>nothing posted here will cause you to acknowledge that there's anything unusual in the imagery.Most of the shit posted here is 240p potato footage or some schizo in his basement telling a story.>>42958620Also i'm OP, not that anon.Cool reddit spacing though.>>42960723Damn.
>>42961247So you are still ignoring the links,selectively ignoring the things you have no response to?You only refer to "most of the shit"? No shit that most posts are retarded. That's still making it clear that you see some that aren't. i used spacing for clarity because I was arguing with an obtuse tard.. but how the fuck you know what spacing looks like on the eglin/mossad/gislane echo chamber? never been on that site so I'll take your word for it
>>42961345>That's still making it clear that you see some that aren't.I meant ones like the CNN clip which are probably just some blue beam psyop project, the rest is schizoslop like (you).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ZJQ4I7_3M>but how the fuck you know whatI know it from lurking here for years on end and seeing constant screenshots of redditry, also no u'ing doesn't work here faggot.>NO UR THE REDDITOR REEEEE!Buy an ad faggot.
>>42903014Hate to break it to you, but you're right and that's all there is to it. People play pretend, to feel something. Or, to find something, anything, to give them some semblance of purpose or a hint of false schizo power. Sometimes they get addicted. Sometimes that's all the meaning they get.
>>42962171>>42962507It's cute that there are sheltered retards like yourselves that have no real experience.Experience, that you would actually be forced to acknowledge, is not going to be posted here. You already know everything you think exists.. while you have so much more to learn.. you are literally infantile in your knowledge of life.So smug. So ignorant. So wrong.Too incompetent to determine your failing.Someday you will be outside of your sheltered cocoon of ignorance and experience will change your simple little, made up, mind.
Oh my. You seem a little upset, you mad bro? You seem very proficient in stating the obvious, I'll give you that. I wonder, at what point did you believe that you know more than you actually do. That you properly perceive the things you make up in your mind.
>>42962599>Someday you will be outside of your sheltered cocoon of ignorance and experience will change your simple little, made up, mind.This "experience" is sure taking it's time innit?>>42962702>I wonder, at what point did you believe that you know more than you actually do.When i started to think i'll believe it when i see it, so far no good.
>>42962599Being delusional isn't going to help you perceive shit that doesn't exist. Actually, that is the one thing it does, so there you go. Tell me, does being delusional help you be any less insignificant? While you're at it, can I get a nugget of wisdom, I want to see what lurks in such a no doubt grand mind such as yours.
>>42962702Your Fantasy is that you get to start with the conclusion that you desire as if you already have a clue that you don't.You are probably stupid, further complicating your situation.>>42962714How much effort to get out into the world are you making? You are probably using your innate psychic function to avoid the evidence.. check with your inner mindYou naturally have doubts about what you could possibly see.. but in the moment of experience those doubts are resolved, set aside immediately to simply engage in the perception of the moment. It's afterwards that you can confuse yourself about what the explanations could be.. and there is a possibility of misidentification of a phenomenon. Let reality speak for itself.. it is better to discover that you are mistaken about something, and be humbled by the error, than to fail to gather accurate information for any reason.When the experience is the real thing you won't have any difficulties clarity and certainty. The extraordinary, when it is before as if it is the ordinary, is impossible to refute. It is after the encounter with the extraordinary that people begin to second guess their own perception.Get used to being fully accountable to yourself about exactly what the truth is.. even in mundane things. When it finally matters this is what will make the difference between certainty and self doubt.Some extraordinary things overwhelm the mind.. and then the challenge is to overcome your own subconscious.
>>42962794See you are simply delusional in your imagination that you are the standard of human perception. You are the default minimum in your current capacity.
>When the experience is the real thing you won't have any difficulties with clarity and certainty.>The extraordinary, when it is before you as if it is the ordinary, is impossible to refute.
You think that your beliefs are the foundation of reality.. but you haven't seen very much of reality. The reality of your own actual existence would put you into physiological shock. https://youtu.be/WFnRVP6bcGgIn order to avoid trauma you are living in a persistent illusion. Your own subconscious is in on the joke and knows you can't handle the truth about reality. It also knows.. that deep down.. you are very very afraid
>>42963076>How much effort to get out into the world are you making?If the Paranormal is as all encompassing as you say then i don't really need to go anywhere to see it now do i?Still waiting on that moment of experience that will remove all doubt.
>>42963848Depends on what you want to see. Some things are geospatial. Some disembodied people really do hang around where their body is resting.. and they will even reach out to you about the condition of their marker if there's any issue with it.Bigfoot or Sasquatch types can be monstrous in size and physical power.. it puts it all into perspective when you have direct personal observations of this.They could easily pick up and tear a silverback and throw the parts a massive distance. It becomes clear that it is highly intelligent when you see it travelling near populated areas.. usually down through the nature corridor.If you damage the travel paths during the migration you might get a demonstration of how aware they are of us.. while we are generally unaware of them.Wanna see UFOs? Probably not going to make an appearance in a highly populated area but it happens.. usually with the vast majority of the people are unable to notice the vehicles.. like it's somehow just not catching their eyes or something.. looking right near it with their eyes out of focus while you are pointing right at it.. or even stranger still.. they dismiss the idea of bothering to look at it without looking in the direction.You can see things in "dream" that are much more than 'just' dream.Get an ouija board and a few like minded people.. recite over and over the name of someone who has passed that you were close to.. pay attention to the feelings in your body and mind.Walk through cemeteries alone.. daytime is fine. If there's anyone there who would like attention they will let you know.When you are seeing something you are not sure about be honest with yourself about it.. not sure is maybe interesting but it is not the goal. Eventually the evidence that can't be ignored will arrive.No, technically you don't have to travel.. but you do have to change your perceptions and create the connections to the things that you are perceiving.
>>42964022By "change your perception" I mean that you have to be in a state of mind to not simply refuse to observe the evidence.. this is probably what you have already been doing.. it only takes a fraction of a second for your subconscious mind to notice the extraordinary and then look away before your conscious mind is looking directly at it, whatever "it" is.
My first time hearing about the paranormal was when i was 4 and my older brothers were talking about seeing a ghost looking into my crib.They were 5 and 6 at the time.
>>42969133The big deal about this was that there were no adults involved. Just the two of them had seen it. They had both seen it looking into the crib.. I was obviously too young to have a memory of it but I was what the ghost was looking at in the crib.My family was visiting my mother's mother in Louisiana. Both of my grandfathers had died before I was born.There was no one putting them up to this.. they were simply discussing something they had seen. Although I hadn't seen it myself this was my first direct exposure to anyone claiming to have seen something paranormal. They threw teddy bears and toys at it before hiding under the covers and waiting for the morning to light up the room. From very early on in life I was seeking to see anything paranormal if it was actually there to see.Most people are not prepared to encounter the strange and unusual. There is much that they could perceive that they simply are avoiding. Deep down they seem to know.
Does any one actually *know* the primary claims of blue beans or do people just hear "fake alien invasion" and not look any deeper into the subject
>>42971711Primary sources are rare ..in this context you have to be able to handle investigation at the level of an intelligence community asset, entity, or agency. What would even qualify as a primary source? In actual practice the closest thing will be direct testimony of an agency participant. In your own personal efforts to assess an individual and the quality of their personal account of events you may have very high confidence in the individual and their personal experience and observations but it will not be easily possible to offer the same information to secondary parties.You can find the truth in many subjects.. but it is not easy to share the information with others who have no direct contact with a primary source.. and then you still have to be able to filter the information from a high quality primary source.. even in direct contact with a source the individuals don't always have the accuracy and complete truth.. just high quality fragments of evidence and information.Personally I treat every aspect of this plan for deception as a decoy endeavor
>>42973755Thanks for answering my question. You absolutely don't.
>>42971711It's from a Journalist
>>42973990You're forgetting about all of the bullshit where they bury fake artifacts and then cause earthquakes in the exact spot so that people discover them and then they project holographic jesus and bhudda and Mohammad and then they all merge into one and he tells everyone they need to be subservient to the one world governmentIts batshit insane ramblings from a moron
>>42905390Legit.>PROOF HERE >>42970190
>>42903014how many of you actually seek out the paranormal? doing seances or using an Ouija board are two easy steps to get the ball rolling. if not, do some rituals; simple bloodletting stuff like pricking a finger and what not, however that is of course you want to explore supernatural.
>>42973934I made no claim to. My comment is regarding the subject of classified and non public information in general. I have much information on many subjects. As I pointed out, every aspect of this is a decoy endeavor. Plastic ducks don't get to the lake on their own. They need people who make them and move them before they have any effect. You are probably not involved in the creation of any aspect of this.. but you are involved in moving the information. My position on this is neutral. I have no stake in the information.You seem to think you know something that others don't. It's a public narrative at this point. You can ignore it or relay it.. which is what you are doing.If they are going to manipulate the public by distributing the concept what stage of development do you think your own behavior fits in as?The concept is most likely a false claim. If it's not, then it's a spoiled plan because it's already been exposed. People are dumb but there's not enough stupid people to fall for this plan now that the proverbial cat has already been let out of the bag. And now with easy ai fakes you still think it's relevant?There have been thousands of plans made that were never acted upon. It's a dumb plan either way, real or fake.
>>42903014Test
>>42974485Results?
>>42976179Positive
>>42973990Did he die before he said where he got it from? Real journalist don't simply make stuff up
>>42958620>Cope>Projection >Projection I hate that you faggots try to redefine words so you can weasel out of explanations. I clearly want a REAL video of the things you posted. Some actual evidence but you would rather just talk about the "evidence" you conveniently can't show me. And then you just go on a tangent about random fucking nonsense. Do you have evidence of the paranormal or not? Stop with the semantics and just post it.Notice how this thread is days in and hudreds of posts in and not a single piece of evidence was posted. Just schizo-nonsense and one ass blasted retard schizo who thinks everyone is a fed.
>>42981922You have ignored several links..https://youtu.be/KVPGe1r7JV4Your response is not well suited as a response to the post you are responding to. Is there an issue with your reading comprehension?
>>42981922Be specific. Exactly what are you citing in your vague generalized claims? Every aspect that I mentioned is a tangible thing with documentation to back up the specific claims of specific individual witnesses and events.. but of course you have no experience of your own and you dismiss everything that is reported by others that is different from your own personal experience. It's a retarded mental trap that you have fallen into.. and the only thing that will pull you out of this mental trap is for you to encounter your own personal experience. Simple. What you don't seem to realize is that everyone else who already has experience went through the same process. You don't start with already knowing by direct experience.. but it is a threshold for those who have passed through it. Right now you sound like a crying infant to those who already know. You don't get to tell reality what is allowed to exist. Your lack of experience has no bearing on reality. Get out in the world and experience life beyond the presence of established human societies.. and the experiences are there to encounter.
>>42983914>Posts bullshit fake Chi MasterI'm sorry are you actually retarded? You actually believe this bullshit? I bet you think Bruce Lee was some secret superhuman too lmfao. So the first link I click is Chi bullshit. >>42984115>Be specific If you're the post I responded to YOU need to be specific you said all of that shit and posted no evidence of it. My exact gripe with this community of bullshitters, you never have the answer just vague links and stories and tell me to do my own research when THIS IS A PARANOMAL BOARD YOU CAN POST THIS SHIT HERE DUMBASS. What you're telling me right now is anecdotal experience is sufficient enough evidence for the paranormal. I'm sorry but I'm not retarded like you. I think critically and need more tangible evidence to convince me. Anything less than that taken as confirmation of the paranormal is just delusional nonsense. YOU HAVE YET TO PROVDE EVIDENCE BUT WANT TO ARGUE SEMANTICS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO WEASEL OUT OF MEANINGS SO YOU CAN SEE YOUR BULLSHIT WOO.This shit may work on your dumbass it doesn't work on me. So post evidence or fuck off.
>>42903014If it was it would just be normal. So prove that it's normal.
>>42983914You are not talking to me you're talking to some other anon lmao, also buy an ad.
>>42984885So you're an idiot. Not a problem. Idiots have a simple solution for everything, they ignore it and go on pretending they have a clue. First link and would you look at that.. your foregone conclusions that you started with are the only thing you see.
>>42986906There's more than one other person here. Pretty sure you are retarded if you think you know who's who. Advertisement boy is straight up mental.. and now you are beginning to imagine he's everywhere.
>>42903014reality is just whichever perception has the most updoots at any given time
>>42988406Reality is a persistent illusion that emerges as a result of the attachment of consciousness to matter.The issue is that current human levels of technology do not accurately describe the substance of consciousness as an energetic field.Consciousness is a bosonic field. Reality, as in all of your apparent existing universe, is a unique fermionic value that is the signature of your own specific existing consciousness.Ask.. me.. how.. I.. know.
>>42988289Are you just projecting at this point? What is this cope? You have nothing you could post because you know it's bullshit, you know it will be torn apart and you have to have to fact that this shit isn't real. This is why you're cagey it's a defense mechanism to protect the ego. But cope harder, please. It's funny.
>>42990072You are locked in a cage of stupid, imagining you have a clue.The conclusion that you are starting with is wrong and you lack adequate introspection and perception to acknowledge this.
>>42990072I didn't arrive at an awareness of the unusual and extraordinary by opinion and guessing. That's what you are using to dismiss any evidence of anything out of the ordinary.My knowledge is from direct experience.I understand, you are limited to the world you have experienced. My experience goes beyond what you imagine is possible.You are arrogant in your ignorance. It's actually a stage that nearly everyone has passed through on the way to becoming experienced.Nothing that you believe, for or against anything unusual, is going to prepare you for the actual experience.Go ahead with your opinions.. but understand what they are founded upon; Nothing. You are imagining that the Nothing that you have previously seen is all that anyone else has ever seen. You are dismissive of all evidence because it doesn't seem possible.. so you pronounce your own judgments over reality through the narrow lens of your own experience. It can't be helped, you will be inexperienced until you are not.Your laughter will not be the end of this.
>>42903014>I've been lurking here for many years and read about many esoteric traditions but there doesn't seem to be much physical evidence of the paranormal, all of it just feels like superstition and blind faith, and while yes it's true that the elites of this world are very superstitious (because of their secret societies) there just doesn't seem to be enough evidence of the paranormal itself.lolPeople like you SERIOUSLY need to wake up.This is how you wake up:https://x.com/i/status/2099802242542968909You're welcome.
>>42993431So you are advertising the website of elon AND the website of gislane both?At least this one, directly tied to epstien through moot in the epstien emails, is connected to someone who appears to the public as dead.Can't you at least summarize the punchline?
You wouldn't believe how many AIs are in this thread.
>>42994093Just 1- you
>>42994094And the namefag behind them took the bait.
>>42994099You're the only bot round these parts.
>>42994093You really do need to be specific. Everyone who has posted in this thread is potentially being called a bot.Ignorant idiots have a strong tendency to accuse every sign of actual intelligence of being artificial. You have to make specific accusations to clarify whether you are or are not one of them. A general statement is exactly what a deliberate derail effort would comprise of.. whether produced by human or artificial intelligence.
>>42994402>you have toI don't have to do anything, except post replies that trip up the bots.
>>42904294> There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.> Proverbs 14:12Anon, there is no respect of knowledge in the grave. It can not praise you. I fear that Satan has blinded your eyes and perverted your soul with foolish gnosis.Satan can appear as an angel of light, deceiving even the elect.Don’t become overly wise, why should you destroy yourself?> The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.> For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased.> If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.> Proverbs 9:10 to 9:12
>>42905224We are the aliens.> John 8:23:> 23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this worldThe word for below is a local of Hades.We are from above. God bless.
>>42904964B - EL - I - EVEYou are missing Eve, the other opposite part that connects A with B. Think of a rainbow upside down that when connected with another rainbow becomes a complete and perfect single. Your rainbow is divided. I speak the truth in love in hopes of waking you up out of your sleep.
Brother you are a breath of fresh air. I really needed this.
>>42994644You are not respectin' mah authoritah.. faggot. You does in fact has to. 'Cause ah sayd so.Inb4 Southpark is not parahnormal
>>42994962Same applies to you, faggot.Who the fuk are you talkin to?Every narcissistic faggot posting in this thread is gonna assume that you are talking to them specifically.
>>42994962Probably this post is the "same faggotry" faggot posing as someone else and not targeting his own post so he doesn't have to look at the (you) of shame..The guy is a truly mental one trick pony.He's got ancient color wheel and white women and nothing else.
Nah
>>42994879Satan is Saturn.
>>42994938cool what do I do with this gif you posted
https://youtu.be/i805eRAWoiohttps://youtu.be/O32j_k4aX14One retard is demanding links that he has already declared that he will "tear apart" and another retard is telling everyone that posts a link that they should buy an ad.It's a formulaic method for derailment by creating dispute.. even if it is occurring organically.
>>42962171those squizo say "one day you'lll see the proof yourself" then send you a CNN video for proof of what they believe lmao
>>42998680That CNN UFO is probably a government project.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opD86VZSWpo
>>42994938at least we can say these squizo people really are very imaginative
>>42984885All of the things I posted are things I have direct experience with. I can't simply give you the same experiences but I am not in the same position of those people who talk about these subjects through guessing and choosing whether to believe or disbelieve. Belief is not knowledge.There are several links, including the one that you are already choosing to be dismissive of, that are of genuine phenomenon worth examining. You have a responsibility to yourself to dig deep and determine the truth but you have an inherent limitation to evaluate based upon what you have direct observation of and direct personal experience with. More exists beyond your current established knowledge. It is humbling to pass through the threshold to discover this.
>>42984885>>42999384Except for the grain. I know of this only through the research papers that were published. Do you even know that such papers were published? If you are interested you can research it for yourself or just let me know and I can find you some links.>>42985132For me, much of what other people consider extremely out of the ordinary is normal. The terminology becomes problematic. The reality is as it is no matter how poorly human efforts fail to accurately perceive and comprehend.
OP here, how did this thread stay alive for nearly a month?
>>43000952For the actual elites themselves there exists a knowledge base not available to the general public. They have withheld more science and history than they have allowed to reach the public.The public sector has not been told anything entirely true since before the death of Lincoln. Generally speaking the public is not qualified to evaluate how little they are aware of. Even basic concepts are misrepresented within the language available to the public.
>>43000952See: >>42994093
>>42903014There's basically no hard evidence, but paranormal entities aren't exactly going to submit themselves for peer-review either.I'm here because of a personal experience. I'd probably still be in your position otherwise.
>>42994093>>43001927This retard thinks all high intelligence posts are bots because they personally don't have enough actual intelligence to evaluate and comprehend the posts made by actually intelligent people. It is the typical modern era retard error of assuming that all intelligence is artificial. >>43000952Want the real reason?See;>>43000701The board is simply very, very slow.If there were bots the thread would have been dead due to image and post limits.This further emphasizes my point about the other guy being a retard who is incapable of believing that actual humans are capable of actual intelligence.
>>43002121How come no less than a minute after I mentioned a bot, a namefag appeared: >>42994094? If you search his name in the archive, the fag always appeared in "botty" threads.
>>43002393One name faggot is not a bot army.Be specific.. as I stated here; >>42994402I am used to retarded retards being retarded and accusing me of being artificial intelligence because they can't comprehend what I typed. It shouldn't be my problem that other people are dumb.. but it is in fact everyone's problem. >>43001389
>>43002410Ah, I get it. >>43001389You were (possibly) using an AI to expand or rewrite your ideas in order to sound more eloquent. Anyone can engage in needles verbiage and flaunt an extended vocabulary when his words are churned by an algorithm. But measuring the quality of an idea by the number and type of words used is like measuring an airplane's ability to fly by its weight. If a reply was not worth writing by a human, it's not worth reading by a human. Or, to put it simply: you talk like a fag and your AI generated or regurgitated shit's retarded. Note that I never pointed to any specific post as being written by a bot. You did what amounts to a silent confession of the quoted text in >>43001389 being artificial. Or perhaps "artificially enhanced" . With the "grug" logic that "big words make idea bigger". They don't. Your reply here however: >>43002121 seems human. If you think people can't tell when you've had an AI regurgitate your text and thesaurify it's because you're retarded. It's just adds the "empty calories" to the text.
>>43002649There you go again. Fuckin' retard. That's just me unaltered by any modifications.This is not the only time a retarded retard has sperged out over it.. and you still don't comprehend accurately the mechanism of the algorithms used for evaluation of intelligence.
>>43002649You don't get anything other than more of your self reinforced delusion.If you start with the conclusion that you want you have no difficulty ignoring everything else that you couldn't comprehend anyway.You have fallen into the mid tier intelligence trap. Good luck crawling out of it. Almost not dumb is one of the worst forms of dumb.
>>43001927if anything those 'AI bots' derail threads and slide them to bump limit with vagueposting, divide-and-conquer tactics, etc
>>42905729>If you did not find the existence of the tangible item itself in natureJesus Christ of Nazareth
>>43004177A physical human being.. recorded by the jewish tribal neighborhood historian as having a biological father by the name of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius_Julius_Abdes_PanteraIf you are interested in the CIA assessment of your farcical faith i can show you where to find it
>>42905715>Pray to God for rain and he will show you that he existsalmost like yahweh is a storm god
>>42905729>Trace things back to their origins, and go deeper when everyone else is told to stop. Look further back into the history and the lies become obvious.Basado.>>43004013>>43004017>>43004021
>>42905715>that God does still answer but he wants nothing to do with those idiots Jews who disappointed him that is why he does not help them defeat Iran and why the Jews remain scattered across the globe it is God curse upon IsraelOr maybe we're seeing Operation SIG play out again in an attempt to destabilize the West and unite the world against the US and Israel. You can't see the forest for the trees, can you?
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>>43004331>>43000952Huehuehuehuehue
>>42903014You're looking for Gettier problems. Run an experiment and see if your results are reliable, that's how you'd prove it.
>>43000952Long thread is long
>>42903014When dealing with what I call the "sapient element", you have to start thinking like a rationalist and stop thinking like an empiricist. This is because, ultimately, a sapient will be able to defy normal lab results by defying a notion of a control group. If no control group can be established, the entire experiment is useless. If experimentation is useless, you have to rationalistically understand what CAN be real to know what WOULD be real. Once you've embraced this, you can develop your own opinion about the supernatural that escapes the sapient element.
>>42903014This whole thread is you larping as an intellectual.>muh atheism handbook is proof things I haven't seen don't exist You either have experienced something without a good explanation in reality or you haven't. Nobody can tell you what to believe until you see it yourself, and if you see it and don't believe it, who cares? Whatever it is and whatever you say or think it is are irrelevant because whatever happened or whatever it is exists irrespective of you, he who tries to order about reality flacidly.
>>43009757Arguing mysticism to a materialist atheist while using Latin buzzwords does nothing for your argument.>if you aren't le wise and open ur eyez you just don't see the world like me
>>42903014Oh and also >I think the elite are all scammed out of their Yes but it's also the effect of pineal hallucinogenic chemicals extracted from corpses causing them to believe or construct a reward system around esoteric/satanic practices for lack of more words Because they are in fact stupid and make up rituals.Even so, /x/ is a psyop board and looking here for evidence of anything is 9/10 retarded and if you wait long enough for the 1/10 chance you'll probably end up being retarded before you see anything worth seeing. With that said, nothing you mentioned is evidence of absence. They are theories of conspiracy that you choose to believe as absolute proof that a concept is false rather than that someone(s) would lie about a thing to gain from it
The elites own the concept of money itself and they are literally in context of all of the money in earth. The issue with public entities attempting to cite who they think the elite are is that nothing the public has been told is accurate and true.
>>43011085They control the value of money. You can have it in the form of gold and they can change the value of the gold.
>>42903020What are they going to see them in the form of? Machines can only perceive the em spectrum
>>42903014Psychedelics prove demons. So there.
Quick q for anons who walk outside, especially if lonely. Do you nootice like the ground is softer than usual and possibly hollow in some parts, like there was metallic sustains and nothing much below them? In other places there's other sensations.
>>42903014>Is the paranormal real?Maybe>Can I prove it if it is?Nope, but if it's real I won't need to if you can prove it for me. Which sure might seem like some lame attempt to get you to answer your own question so I don't have to. But if you got time I got some "shit posting" you might be intrested.I mean this is 4chan after all...It's about hormones, and how just about anything the paranormal can be given credit for can also be given credit to hormones and how they cause some folks to go CRAZY all normal like and shit and everyone including the powers that be are all just like "Whelp, that's just reality what do you expect us to do about it" as horny teenagers are just out in the world doing whatever they hormone soaked brains think is a "good idea" at least at the time no matter how stupid it really is.Unless they are an "exception to the rule" and for whatever reason they never develop a "libido" and just go their whole life SANE as fuck all while surround by a world full of crazy folks forced to either blend in, fit in or conform and become like the crazy folks themselves>see told yamaybe
>>42941613he was being sarcastic and insulting OPDonald Trump is a Pedophile
Things exist beyond our comprehension. Reality does not conform to your pitiful language of words and symbols. Science is powerful, no doubt, but it operates within a strict schema, and new things are always being discovered, old things reevaluated, while most of existence remains elusive.You are closed off to the possibilities beyond your imagining. You cannot dwell in the uncomfortable unknowing, so you make-believe that your boxes and labels (entirely created by others with more Will than you) can contain the whole of existence, and fully account for All. In short, you're a fool.
>>43010299>t. confirmation bias
>>43016435>complains about labels>insults me with a labelK.
How do you explain this dream I had?>have dream where I'm told I'm supposed to give a lecture on angels and Baudelaire>have no idea who Baudelaire is>upon waking up I search for angel and Baudelaire in google and find out he was a French poet, who wrote two poems that feature angels, such as the one belowhttps://fleursdumal.org/poem/139This is proof that dreams are connected to something higher.
>>43016531Anecdotal stories aren't replicable with the scientific method.And even if you had no idea who he was your subconscious had, you might've seen him somewhere or heard of him but you didn't pick it up consciously at that time, only subconsciously, and then in your dreams what was buried deep in the mind came to the surface.
>>43016569I majored in English but I never read a single non-English poet or heard of Baudelaire for sure. And if you do any research on Baudelaire, he's not known as being "the poet that wrote about angels", just a few of his poems feature angels. Assuming my dream is true and not because I heard of him somewhere how do you then interpret it?
>>43016520>I need my reality externally validated and am cucked by my own thoughts to the point I cannot believe something unless someone agrees
>>43016596He can't explain it because that's an empirical example of something working non-rationally.The scientific method is a deductive method but he's asking for proof which is not the point of the scientific method. He doesn't even know what he means by proof he's asking for JTB but he's not aware of Gettier problems.
>>43016596Like i said, your mind may have picked him up subconsciously while you majored there or somewhere else even if you didn't consciously acknowledge him.>>43017800Samefagging, and i didn't ask for proof i said it was not replicable with the scientific method, the scientific method is about experimentation and anecdotal stories are not replicable experiments.
>>43016696It's not about everyone else agreeing, it's about replicable experiments that all can see and do (not just blindly agree), also keep in mind the word be.LIE.f.
>>43018077>SamefaggingUm? Proof? Source? Citation? Hello??? You can't just claim things are real without verification or have you forgotten your whole shtick.>i didn't ask for proofObjectively incorrect you asked for people to prove the supernatural in the title>the scientific method is about experimentation Experimentation is one part of the scientific method if you meant experiments you should've said experimentsExperiments are a form of empirical evidence and only show what would happen if a variable is changed. Replication is a form of justification and the onus is not on the guy to prove a negative. He gave empirical evidence, you have not actually disproven his claim.Your rationalization of him getting it from the subconscious is also unfalsifiable, which is a sin if you're a positivist.
>>43018436>You can't just claim things are real without verification or have you forgotten your whole shtick.Your butthurt about that specific line is all the proof i need.>Objectively incorrect you asked for people to prove the supernatural in the title.I wasn't talking about the OP in that post i was talking about this message >>43016569 ,i asked for proof in the OP yes but not in that message, to which anon replied with this >>43016596 and to which you chimed in with this >>43017800 hence the chain, you have the reading comprehension of a peanut.>Experimentation is one part of the scientific method if you meant experiments you should've said experiments.The scientific method fundamentally relies on empirical evidence to test, validate, or reject hypotheses.Anecdotal stories do not count as valid empirical evidence in the scientific method because of confirmation bias, the inability to replicate and their lack of control.Anecdotal reports serve only as a starting point to formulate a hypotheses, which must then be rigorously tested through controlled studies to generate real empirical evidence, anon's story does not meet these requirements.
>>43018848>Your rationalization of him getting it from the subconscious is also unfalsifiable.Psychology says otherwise.
