Santa is an angram for Satan, Old Nick is the Scottish Satan, and the Bible warns about Santa in John 10:1, yet Freemasons like him a lot for some reason.>picrelChristmas also originates from Saturnalia, and Saturn is Satan according to the Masonic Author J.S.M Ward in his book, Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods.According to "Bro." William Steve Burkle KT, 32°, the Masonic Square & Compass is the Sigil of Saturn (Satan).https://web.archive.org/web/20090302033428/https://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/square_compasses.htmlWe can see more Saturnian symbolism in Freemasonry with the Weeping Virgin symbolism; the blackballing of candidates with black cubes; the cubic ashlar and sometimes even a black cubic altar.They also like to joke with the Goat in their merch and symbolism which they say is based on a rumor, however the Goat is also Capricorn a.k.a Saturn.>inb4 Taxil HoaxAlbert Pike wrote in his Morals and Dogma that:>The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple, Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations, It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them, Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.
>>42931815And if it is Satanism is it Theistic or Atheist Satanism?Freemasons believe in a Great Architect Of The Universe, but this Architect is always depicted as a Saturnian old man.
>>42931815The Freemasons certainly love Santa Claus for some reason. Many images posted online from different lodges
Did Marylin Manson, a known member of the Church of Satan, really wear a Masonic Ring purely for aesthetic purposes?
>>42931815I've heard they anal rape you at the highest degrees to "open your third eye"
>>42931861You are thinking of Aleister Crowley which isn't exactly Freemasonry or pure Satanism (it's Thelema which has elements of both), i'm looking for more direct connections, i have yet to see elements of sodomy in masonic ritual texts, the masonic points of fellowship are very gay though.We've all seen the conspiracy videos but i want to see if there are actual solid literary and doctrine lines between Satanism and Masonry.Yes Manly P. Hall and Albert Pike wrote about Lucifer but Masons cope with "duh manly wasn't a mason yet and the pike quote is out of context".In Crowley's system the Eye of Horus is revealed the Anus in the higher degrees, picrel is basically saying he prefers Anal over Oral Sex.
In Brazilian Masonic Supply shops they sell Eliphas Levi's books and one of them has the Baphomet on their cover, it's the Portuguese edition of Eliphas Levi's Transcendental Magic.Why choose that as the cover and why sell it at a Masonic Supply Shop?
>>42931959Why did this old masonic postcard say the Goat is the most famous and only honorary member of every lodge in the world?
>>42931815By their fruits you shall know them.The era of their rule has been signified by gray cubes, suit&tie uniform and constant stream of lies that seek to ruin lives or turn them into machines. >Victory at all costThere is an astronomical cost. None is prepared to pay it. They need endless scapegoats.
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>>42932024>suit&tie uniformAren't neck ties masonic initiatory nooses?>picrelBut even then, what's the connection to Satanism, we can go full schizo over symbolism yes but i'm trying to look for concrete texts and evidence, their use of the Goat and Baphomet is quite strange...
>>42931815Yes. It's exactly that OP. Every bad thing that you can apply to it is what it is and never anything else. Never question yourself. Accept everything you read at face value. You can do it champ. Just lose yourself in the noise. You're halfway there.
>>42931959no way kek such a goofy art too
>>42932048I see a mason has found the thread, i do make an effort to look through your texts unlike most schizos here who just run with images, and when the connection is loose like individuals using masonic iconography (>>42931859) i ask questions.Isn't it strange how the artist on picrel choose masonic imagery for his graphic art? Why go with masonic out of all mystical systems he could've chosen?>>42932068Google it and see for yourself, even check the website i showed on that picrel.
Famous Freemason Harry S. Truman nuked Christian Nagasaki when he was President which destroyed the Urakami Cathedral and killed a large number of local Christians.
>>42931815>Christmas also originates from SaturnaliaThat's false. They were not celebrations held on the same date, and Christian Christmas was not celebrated in the same way as Saturnalia. Saturnalia was a festival held at the Temple of Saturn, involving decorations, role reversals, the exchange of figurines as gifts, drinking, and feasting.The idea of adopting pagan practices into the Church would only be suggested in the 5th century. What the Church historically did was replace pagan festivals with feasts dedicated to “minor” and local saints. Christmas did not originally include festivities shared with Saturnalia; Christmas banquets only emerged in the medieval period, along with caroling, and Christians did not exchange gifts at that time. Gift-giving only emerged around the early modern period as an assimilation of the feast of Saint Nicholas.
>>42932329>They were not celebrations held on the same date.Saturnalia ended on the 23rd and Christmas is on the 25th, a 2 day difference is not that large of a difference.>Christmas was not celebrated in the same way as Saturnalia.The gift giving and parties/feasts are still there, only more tame and marketable to a christian audience.>Christmas did not originally include festivities shared with Saturnalia.>Christmas banquets only emerged in the medieval period.Before formal feasts and the 12-day medieval revelry took shape, early Christians celebrated Christmas primarily as a solemn, liturgical observance rather than a social holiday.Pope Julius I designated December 25 in the mid-4th century (around 336 AD) to coincide with and Christianize existing Roman winter solstice celebrations like Saturnalia and Sol Invictus.So even if it didn't start off with many Saturnalia elements the origins and similarities are undeniable.Your post is a cope.
>>42932404Thanks, you just proved my point. Furthermore, you also proved that you don't know the difference between origin and assimilation.
An interesting connection here, it is said that the tradition of placing an apple on a school desk started in the 18th and 19th centuries as a practical way for poor families in places like Denmark, Sweden, and the American frontier to help feed or pay underpaid teachers.However i believe it has an Esoteric double meaning and that the Apple actually represents the Forbidden Fruit of Knowledge.The fact that Freemasonry is so involved in public education (indoctrination) may be related to this fact.https://web.archive.org/web/20140814221233/https://freemason.org/doc/Masonry%20and%20Public%20Schools.pdf?id=2414>>42932470Keep coping.
>>42932470What did Saturn do when his young sat on his lap?
>>42932476On the topic of Knowledge here.Many prominent figures of the Age of En-LIGHT-enment were active Freemasons, using the fraternal network to share ideas on reason, science, and religious tolerance.But who is their light bearer? And doesn't the light blind them? Their rituals speak extensively about light as a metaphor for knowledge and to seek the light. Light this, light that.But even if they cope that the part of Albert Pike's text is out context and that Manly P.hall(us) wasn't a Mason when he wrote about Lucifer, there is a very clear Promethean/Luciferian theme of Light and Knowlege in Freemasonry, not to mention rebellion and all of the revolutions they were involved in (just like Lucifer's rebellion).Lucifer and Satan are considered the same entity, but biblical scholars and historians point out that the original texts treat them differently, some Gnostic currents also say Lucifer isn't Satan so i'm not sure if Freemasonry's Luciferian aspects count as Satanism.And another thing, Masons say they don't discuss religion or politics inside the lodge but then proceed to teach Kabbalah and involve themselves in political revolutions or governments, so how does that work?
Surprisingly decent quality Freemason thread. New pictures I haven't seen before here. Usually, I see the same old shit being posted when it comes to the Freemasons. The goat postcard and Brazil shop pics are pretty damning.
>>42932718Decent? Can you give an example of a better one?I am mainly focusing on the Satanic aspect over their other esoteric beliefs because it's the main issue around them.>Usually, I see the same old shit being posted when it comes to the Freemasons.Yeah i got tired of that to, schizo images are fun but i want actual sources (hence this thread).1 Mason here is coping about the origin of Christmas with Saturnalia because the dates don't slightly match but when you see how Saturnian modern Christmas is and how Masons enjoy Santa so much it's quite eye opening.
Another fun fact about the Santa Claus (Satan Claws) that Masons love so much, his famous Ho, Ho, Ho! line comes from the Devil to.Picrel is from a Masonic source to by the way.Page 17 of the book (25 in the pdf here)https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/A_sketch_of_the_pre-Shakespearian_drama_(IA_sketchofpreshake00iresrich).pdf
>>42932778Bump.
>>42932585>Light and Knowlege in Freemasonry, not to mention rebellion and all of the revolutions they were involved in (just like Lucifer's rebellion).That's because to seek knowledge or enlightenment is to rebel against your beastly nature and to seek higher levels od awareness and self-actualization. By seeking knowledge that doesn't merely cover your basic needs for survival you are rebelling against your nature to become something more.
inst christmas like one of the most obvious events stolen of paganism?
>>42932853>to seek knowledge or enlightenment is to rebel against your beastly nature and to seek higher levels od awareness and self-actualization.If your Great Architect of the Universe is as omnipotent and omniscient as it is written then don't you think he would've created humanity with those qualities already? Don't you think that some things are not meant to be tampered with and that you shouldn't rebell against God's perfect creation?And even if you take the Gnostic perspective and say Creation isn't perfect and that there is an ignorant God to rebell against, where will that knowledge take you then? To a technocrat society of servitor cattle? To an escape of reality that leads to some void?Even our senses were designed to be within a short specific spectrum (for ex. without ultra violet and xray vision in mind) yet we rebelled and made machines to go against our nature.Why should i rebell against my "beastly" nature? What do you mean by becoming something more? We have tens of thousands of years of philosophies under our belts yet we know just as little about the universe today as those "greats" thousands of years ago.
>>42932938Yes, but now sanitized for a Christian audience.And to be honest i think it makes a difference since the OG pagans sacrificed people.
>>42931815Santa likes the freemasons because they're rich, and as a libertarian, Santa prefers the rich over the poor. Same reason why poor kids get worse presents than rich kids
>>42933111Them Trips.Do they get Cube Coal?>Cube Present or Cube Coal.
>>42931815It's also Odin, the horned god, and his wild hunt. Likely connected with the männerbund cult. >Höfler argued that the Wild Hunt was not just a metaphor for winter storms. Instead, it was born out of real ritual performances. During winter festivals, the Männerbünde would dye their skin black, don terrifying masks, and ride furiously through villages. Because they were in a state of sacred frenzy, they were believed to become the dead ancestors. Over centuries, as the living pagan rituals faded after Christianization, the memory of these terrifying nocturnal processions evolved into the purely supernatural myth of the Wild HuntMiddle AgesViewed by the early Church as a demonic creature. Tales warned of a rowdy, horned monster roaming the countryside demanding food.17th & 18th CenturyBecame central to Julebukking (similar to wassailing or trick-or-treating). Young adults dressed in goat hides and masks would go door-to-door performing pranks and songs in exchange for food and alcohol.19th CenturyTransformed into the original Scandinavian gift bringer. A family member would dress as a benevolent goat to hand out presents before the modern Santa Claus (Jultomte) took over the role.
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>>42931815Freemasonry is fake and most of all GAY
>>42933075Yes yes we know you're splitting hairs until we arrive at the inevitable "god allows literally everything therefore evil is permissable and therefore god is evil" the oldest most jewish argument on earth. But that doesn't contradict free will. You are free to rebel. Your punishment will be that ignorance was bliss and now you have to deal with the consequences for knowledge and potentially trade happiness for spiritual fulfilment. I'm not religious. I'm just here to tell you that religions are metaphors.Expecting God to be a babysitter who wipes your ass is silly and juvenile."The kingdom of heaven is within you." That means, grow some ethical backbone. Some morality. Build your heaven with your community. Be good to people and you will feel good, do evil and you will live in schizophrenic paranoia forever trying to hide that evil.All those platitudes are true.
>>42931815I think it's clear that judaism is satanism, and freemasonry is just judaism for gentiles
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gr8 thread!
>>42933185Krampus comes to mind to.>>42933210>god allows literally everything therefore evil is permissable and therefore god is evil.What makes our beastly nature evil and what determines good and evil? Animal nature is God's natural plan/design no? I never said God was evil and i don't believe animal nature is evil, do you think God intended for us to desecrate the natural order? Our modern society and technology are completely unnatural and go to much against the natural order of things.>But that doesn't contradict free will, You are free to rebel.I wouldn't say free will is a license for rebellion, it's somewhat of an illusion because God is not an external ruler you can hide from or successfully overthrow. God is The Infinite, it's the very fabric of existence and ultimate reality.Rebelling against God is like rebelling against the laws of physics. If you jump off a cliff to "rebel" against gravity, you do not destroy gravity, you only break yourself, your tech rebellion will only kill humanity in an attempt to fight nature (terminator style).>Expecting God to be a babysitter who wipes your ass is silly and juvenile.I don't see God as a micromanaging supervisor who hovers over you to clean up your messes, or hand out rewards like gold stars, omnipresence does not imply that God is a micromanaging supervisor.>"The kingdom of heaven is within you." That means, grow some ethical backbone.The concepts of heaven and ethics are unnatural ideas and communities can govern themselves without those, one's ideas of heaven may also not align with yours.What is heaven to a technocrat? A world where everyone is enslaved to him?
>>42933694More on knowledge, esoterically technology was always the realm of Ahriman and quite Satanic, the whole concept of using infernal combustion that intoxicates and burns everything around it to smelt and fuse elements never before fused and to propell weapons and vehicles of destruction is quite horrifying when you think about it.Freemasons are taught to love the arts and sciences but they have become blinded by the light, their future will end up like the Borg or it will turn everyone into the Stalkers from half life two if they keep going, Transhumanism won't make you superman, it will turn into into a castrated gimp incapable of being human.However as i've said this rebellion won't go as they think it will, as an omnipresent field God will simply respond automatically to their frequency and rebound.
Freemasons say they must perfect themselves (Bavarian Illuminati also believed this) and smooth out their roughness, however if they become smooth they just become another faceless stone in the wall off their Temple and they loose their humanity, they essentially become an NPC hivemind.The perfection of humanity lies in our imperfections, if everyone was 100% perfect like a robot then life would loose it's color, everyone would be the same and there would be no contrast between anything, the world would become "plastic".
Is there a limit to how much a Freemason can self improve or smooth out their Ashlar?How much is to much?Will they self improve themselves into oblivion with technolgy and their light/knowledge?
>>42931815The final secret is that the being the Free Masons worship is Lucifer... so yeah it kind of is Satanism.
Fun fact Athiest are not allowed to be Free Masons.
>>42931815Yes, correct. Take note of the backlash
>>42934488It's only because they need a deep seated moral belief in a pledge, for them to betray and blaspheme as part of their initiation
>>42934514>blasphemeblaspheme who?
>>42934474ok but who is lucifer??
>>42934624Their God apparently
>>42933694>heaven and ethics are unnatural ideas >what is heaven to a technocratThat you elon?
>>42931815It's just your local mafia nothing more nothing less. Everything else is window dressing.
>>42931815Don't ask freemasons about their pillars.
>>42934488They can in France (hence the eternal butthurt between the UK/UGLE and France) throughout history.>>42934514>blasphemeBut don't you guys say that Freeasonry isn't a religion? Blaspheme against who? If anything your scientific perversion of Nature is the highest form of blasphemy.>>42934912Is it because their names are passwords?
>>42934629Lucifer Sun Of The Mornin'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy9LHIDtmGchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-NSntIFubc
>>42935353Nope
>>42932476>The fact that Freemasonry is so involved in public educationLol I fucking wish
OP is thorough, bump
>>42935394Nope to what?>>42935397>Lol I fucking wishhttps://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202301freemasonry-and-education/http://www.themasonictrowel.com/masonic_talk/stb/stbs/90-11.htmhttps://masonicfoundation.org/what-we-support/literacy-and-public-education/You can probably find more links but Freemasonry is heavily involved in education, historically and currently, and that's not even counting the whole Age of En-LIGHT-enment and how many folks we study at schools today were Masons.
Masons really love Satan Claws.
>>42935454I've felt attacked ever since I've mentioned this again. I won't again.
Lucifer signing outthis will be my last post on this websitei'm a little over this world and it's ruleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22MY7rbskxI&list=RDJkWs1cFngWw&index=2
>>42931815No. Freemasonry is "messianic" - they believe logic and pure reason and artisanship will deliver us into a utopian perfect world, we just have to transmute our imperfect selves into something better.In other words, it's rebranded Christianity for stupid niggers that want to LARP as a bunch of gay spiritual intellectuals.
>>42935533>Freemasonry is "messianic">they believe logic and pure reason and artisanship will deliver us into a utopian perfect world.They call that knowledge light and in their rituals they seek light, the thread already covered who their "Light Bearing Messiah" is.>we just have to transmute our imperfect selves into something better.Who are they to say who is imperfect and who defines perfection? Is it even attainable and is there a limit to a Mason's "self improvement"? God created everything as is and they are tampering with it and challenging nature.
>>42931859The text runs off at the end about the lyrics being Masonic.I think to hip hop and acts such as G-Unit. If there’s a Masonic-ly named group out there, it’s gotta be that one.Not to mention the frequent references to different geographical locations, representing how there’s locations of freemasonry lodges everywhere.“Blocks, corners” etc
>>42932404>Your post is a cope.The premise of your assertion that Christianity and its holidays derive from paganism is itself a derivation of a virulent strain of 19th century anti-Catholic polemics. His post is being very generous, as basically none of the accusations against Christianity have any evidence.
>>42935800>The text runs off at the end about the lyrics being Masonic.I know but i didn't want a stretched image.>I think to hip hop and acts such as G-Unit, If there’s a Masonic-ly named group out there, it’s gotta be that one.Yeah it's also in the slang, like "brotha/bro" or "Real G." or "Get On My Level".>>42935839>as basically none of the accusations against Christianity have any evidence.Yes, i'm sure all of the Catholic "Virgin" Mary statues (which the Bible forbids as idols btw) and worship are totally not Pagan.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwq99UchV00
>>42932938Probably Halloween desu. That's more obvious though. Valentine's day too.
>>42935857Also with terms like “capping”One of the best examples of this, or a piece of work to be perceived, is One Love by Nas. “You see the streets had me stressed something terrible, fuckin with them corners have a nigga up at Bellevue or HDM, hit with numbers from 8 to 10”“He said “Nas, niggas could be bustin off the roof, so I wear a bulletproof and pack a black trey-deuce”“I take my pen and pad for the weekend hittin L’s while I’m sleeping”
Manly P.Hall(us) also confirms Santa is Saturn (Satan) in his Secret Teachings of All Ages.>picrelOne mason was coping in the thread saying Christmas only assimilated Saturnialia and wasn't originated from it, ok, but even then Santa still remains Saturn and Christmas still has these Saturnian elements, so Masons are still celebrating Saturn/Satan even if the holiday didn't fully originate from Saturnalia as they claim.
>>42932173Thanks for sharing that piece of dark information.
>>42931879I wish Daat Darling would have sex me, eye or mouth, I would love her either way.
>>42931859he’s cool so he gets a pass
>>42931815No one's posted about the "boy bride" ceremony yet?https://youtu.be/DUPczEvIhmY
>>42933694The Catholic imagery here is to symbolize the Christian Missionary putting the old devil in chains. But a "Santa Clause" (clause as in a law or constitution?) is not Saint Nicholas of course.
>>42936577It's Nikolaus and Krampus.
>>42935533"Because the Hebrew Bible focuses heavily on this-worldly actions, the explicit details of Olam Ha-Ba developed later in rabbinic literature like the Talmud and through medieval commentators. Major rabbinic views on the World to Come differ in how they picture this realm: The Spiritual Afterlife (Maimonides / Rambam): Maimonides taught that the World to Come is a purely spiritual realm where disembodied souls exist in a state of closeness to God, free from physical needs like eating, drinking, or bodily competition.The Physical Resurrection (Nachmanides / Ramban): Nachmanides viewed the ultimate World to Come as taking place after the arrival of the Messiah and the physical resurrection of the dead, where souls and perfected physical bodies are reunited on a renewed earth. The Messianic Era: Many Jewish traditions also use the term to describe a collective, utopian future on earth characterized by universal peace, justice, and the recognition of God, which humanity helps bring about through good deeds and tikkun olam (repairing the world).
>>42933694>What is heaven to a technocrat?Nothing in creation is unnatural to it so neither are ethics or evil. But heaven isn't created with evil deeds, which are easily defined through reason and ethics because morality is an extension of physics. It is perfectly normal and intentioned to create security and peace within a community. The cells of our body do it every day so we can exist here.A tehcnocrat should know better. A technocrat should not be looking for loopholes to exploit to pursue hedonistic pleasures. That's the domain of a parasite with too much money and influence, one who pays real technocrats to do shit for him.
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Yes it is but you have to pass the tests to defile it
>>42931851it's king solomon
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>>42935857>Yes, i'm sure all of the Catholic "Virgin" Mary statues (which the Bible forbids as idols btw) and worship are totally not Pagan.Ignorant who doesn't know the difference between δουλεία (douleía) and λατρεία (latreía). The Catholics don't believe the sculptures/images of Mary is a god itself, you fucking moron. In Exodus 20:4 is condemning having פֶּסֶל (pésel/idols). What they are doing is douleía, directing honor to the person represented by the image. Worship and veneration are not the same thing.
>>42938151take your christcuck faggotry somewhere else
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>>42931815Yes, Freemasonry is Satanism, or kind of like a cover for Satanism.
>>42931959Eliphas Levi is the one that created that image of the baphomet and that is the book it comes from. The Baphomet is not Satan BTW. The Baphomet was an idol the the Templars were acused of worshiping. And the Templars are precursors to the masons. The Templars were gnostic though, not Satanic. I'm not sure if the masons are also a Gnostic sect or not.
>>42931815actual freemason herewe dress up as Santa because kids like it and having wholesome fun is a good thing.
>>42931815>He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.>1 John 2:22Well, since by definition, anyone who denies Yesua the Jew, is defined as the Antichrist, and is also thus, by definition, Satan, and have been called such for over a millenia of the age of Pisces, by the worshippers of Yeshua the Jew (and the worshippers of Mohamed, using the same "principle); then yes, anyone and everyone who doesn't worship those two, may they rot in a pit of feces in Sheol, is, by definition, practicing "Satanism".
>>42938192See >>42935839You are repeating and defending Christian propaganda made up whole cloth for no other reason than to shit on other Christians.
>>42938151I would argue that most pagans who worship idols don't literally believe the status or idols of their gods are literally their gods, just representation. But as always, it's ok when Christians do it. Idol worship is based.
Mason here, Past Master, 3rd degree but that just means I am a regular ass brother who pays his dues and shows up to shoot shit.If there is a mega super secret cabal at the highest levels of authority no one in the several lodges I have been through over the past 20 years has mentioned anything about it or cared about the idea of that level of a conspiracy even going into the Scottish Rite fellas aside from the occasional joke about stonecutters or water buffalos etc.If there is a dramatic group who literally worships satan and meets at the highest levels of power and authority it is less to do with Freemasonry and more just to do with their little group depending on what long standing institution they are a part of that requires them to suck a lot of dick or grease a lot of palms so they can ensure their bit of power is held onto for whatever it is they are trying to accomplish, there are much better groups to become a part of if you wanted to be a greedy mega Jew power hungry kid fucker because the amount of crap you need to go through here and the smell you will put up with of all the oldest members just isn't worth it my friend.It's cool though if you want to be better and do better for yourself and your community its a super easy fast track that doesn't involve joining the military and whatnot. We do get some guys in their early 20s who show up to the weekly coffee and breakfast get together who really think something deeper is going on and leave disappointed or they keep their fakery up until they finally go through all the craft degrees and get even more upset that they suddenly don't have access to elite business connections or secret treasury funds and worldwide discounts on teenage snatch.I can't believe I lived long enough to watch old people be right when they called us retarded dipshits when we were kids for acting tough and running our mouths.
>>42931815The easiest way to understand Freemasonry is through Shakespeare.>All the world’s a stage,And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages.When humans build villages, the inhabitants keep them running from inside. Among those inhabitants are the elect, the elder, or the corrupt. The three of them broker for control and order to keep the ship running, a pact is formed and people keep the stage of life going. "The show must go on."If organized civilization were Plato's cave, the free mason's are the ones casting shadows on walls for the masses to be entertained by and enthralled by. People fear them because of their agenda, the "New World Order". But the question is, what is the Old World Order? And who created that? Take a guess, more Freemasons. Only the weren't called Freemasons back then, they were called town elders, tribe chiefs, warlords. They played the same games as always.They pacify the uninitiated, and select those with promise and initiate them, they did this through "rites of passage." Every culture did this through all ages. Freemasons do it still, today only in a larger and more cryptic manner. Do they run the world? They wish. They fucking wish they did. The Freemason's understand that no one is at the wheel, there is no captain of the ship of history. There is no controlling anything.But they can't let that become public knowledge. So their whole thing is to create a worldwide stage play via political theater, to convince (you), anon reading this, that there are leaders who control the world. They don't care if you find them heroic or villainous, the main goal is to maintain the lie that there is order. Because if everyone figured out there's no order and never was, society collapses
>>42938816>Part 2And to the Freemasons reading: I've got bad news. The society will collapse. Total entropy will prevail, not the sort conjured by man, but by forces beyond man. The foundation, though solid, will paradoxically collapse without the capstone. There is talk of more wars, more pandemics, more engineered catastrophe or crises to attempt to unify the expanding world, there's even talk of depopulation to lessen the expanse. But no matter what, nothing is going to stop what is about to happen, something larger than human intervention is at hand. The Masonic work will unravel as it must, because nature always abhorred a vacuum. And nothing lasts forever, not even the finest architecture, not even a temple of a mason. Chaos wins out every time and there's no stopping it.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/311438567/The-Egyptian-Masonic-Satanic-Connection-pdf
>>42936876>Nothing in creation is unnatural to it so neither are ethics or evil.Then why choose either one of them? If it's all encompasing why limit yourself to 1 choice?>But heaven isn't created with evil deeds, which are easily defined through reason and ethics because morality is an extension of physics.Define them then, and how is morality an extension of physics? Entropy always prevails no matter how much you try to repress it.>>42937976>>42937986Do you have any masonic literary sources to back that up besides a "schizo image"?>>42938151>We are not worshipping we are just honoring.Lmao, now explain all of the Pagan statues littering the Vatican. Also i'm not this anon here: >>42938192>>42938280Interesting, also use actual article screenshots and not random images.https://archive.is/qTak4>>42938502Why did the Satanic community universally adopt the Baphomet icon though? It's goat headed like pan (Capricorn/Saturn), god of the wild and nature.>>42938546>We dress up as Satan because it's wholesome.Lmao.
>>42938746>If there is a mega super secret cabal at the highest levels of authority no one in the several lodges I have been through over the past 20 years has mentioned anything about it or cared about the idea of that level of a conspiracy even going into the Scottish Rite fellas aside from the occasional joke about stonecutters or water buffalos etc.t. outer portico of the Temple>>42938816>The Freemason's understand that no one is at the wheel, there is no captain of the ship of history, There is no controlling anything.Guess who writes history?>>429388512 More Weeks.
>>42939724>t. outer portico of the TempleFirst time reading Pike with zero real world experience or perspective huh.Enjoy your roleplay there fella
>>42931861>anal rape you at the highest degrees to "open your third eye"Homosexual blackmail fractures the psyche and makes men compliant in unique ways. It's deeply involved in higher degrees and you can tell, it also might be necessary to deal with as a requirement to get certain jobs in America like police chief in some places, men who like men only the low are easier to control and more open to many things besides sex
>>42939796>My experience as an outer portico was outer portico so it's none of that is real.I'm guessing you didn't pass the screening process for the inner circles, they usually look for people with sociopathic tendencies.>Enjoy your roleplay there fella.Enjoy your halloween costume roleplay in the outer portico and don't forget to "fella" your master's two ball cane lmao.>>42939835Anons call that "Buck Breaking" HERE
>>42939835GENERATIONAL OCCULT PROGRAMMING.It 'runs in families'. Think MONARCH/MKULTRA. Masonic trauma-based programming. Relevant - www.whale.to/b/sodomy_q.html
>>42931879Perhaps that one picture where masons walk in line each next to a boy looking like some sort of bride. Usually what happens after marriage is consummation, no?Yes, it's pedophilia first and foremost, but it's definitely not vaginal.
>>42937976hiram abiff
>>42931829>Freemasons believe in a Great Architect Of The UniverseDo you have any fucking idea how many other people believed the same exact thing throughout history?>Architect is always depicted as a Saturnian old manWe can all tell when you're uninitiated, anon. I'm not talking about the apronfags either.>>42931851It's because of the Red and White colors, the association with the Descent (through a chimney) to offer gifts, "Silver and Gold" and plenty more.>>42931861Nope. They make you understand and then memorize the entirety of their rituals and it's so you can rebuild them if the entire Play itself were lost to history. Their whole theme is Pageantry and performances, anon. Much of the ritual processions deal with dying and coming back to life a la Hiram Abiff. It's largely a perennial reference to the descent of Dionysus or Zagreus to the Underworld to save a loved one or a persistent rebirth metaphor which symbolizes Man evolving (mostly psychologically) to become a better version of himself. It's why they're "craftsmen" - it isn't about building some external Temple, but the internal Temple.>>42931879>Crowley was gay, guys!That's funny. Who told you that, sport?>Thelema...>elements of both Freemasonry or SatanismGod you newfags are so cute.>wrote about LuciferIs that supposed to be a bad thing? What's wrong with Lucifer? Can you even explain it?>>42931959Baphomet is largely a Templar symbol and the Templars and Freemasons have a lot of overlap and mostly due to the Templars regularly recruiting from Freemasonry.>>42931972So you don't understand anything at all about Mythology or what makes Goats important, their link to Saturn, their esoteric undertones, what pantheons they're associated with or any stories about Goats, apparently, and you decided to come here and ask all of us about it, mockingly? That's your strategy?
>>42932585>But who is their light bearer? >And doesn't the light blind them?The whole blinded by the light idea is a bit overplayed. I've never worn an apron and never will, but this assertion about Lucifer that it's only meant to blind people is retarded and desperate. If you'd read the various mythologies where an evident Lucifer is prevalent, you'd know that essentially only one time was the Lucifer not a distinct benefactor of humanity. This isn't just wrong, it's insulting. Have you read anything at all about this subject, anon? Truly? Because it really seems like you haven't and you've just accepted (on faith) that whatever tropes someone is vomiting everywhere is your dinner and gone on parroting this trash ever since.All of the people you reference, anon, come from Esoteric Christian traditions. If you don't know anything about the relevance of Christian Mysticism in the decentralized "Mystery Schools", why are you partaking in this discussion to begin with? The idea that they're all wrong and evil is not just sold to you, but prescribed to you. You aren't just buying their bullshit, you have a subscription.>rebellionExplain what's wrong with Rebellion. Explain why it's a problem for forward momentum to persist undaunted. >Lucifer and Satan are considered the same entity.By people that do not read books.>some Gnostic currents also say Lucifer isn't Satan so i'm not sure if Freemasonry's Luciferian aspects count as Satanism.Some of them for a time, the older ones, seemed to insist that the snake in the Garden offering Adam and Eve le Forbidden Knowledge was a beneficial force. Modern "Gnostics" often conflate Sophia, who the people in question referenced, with "Lucifer". I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the general outline, but I wouldn't call Sophia a Lucifer if that matters.
It might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think that keeping up the lie or modern myth of Santa Clause is a good thing to do. I don't think you should lie to children, it erodes trust. I do appreciate the ritual of coming together with family and remembering Jesus, and being more kind and generous.
>>42932585>Masons say they don't discuss religion or politics inside the lodge but then proceed to teach Kabbalah and involve themselves in political revolutions or governments, so how does that work?Okay, they definitely do that, but what they mean is they try to treat the place of ritual with sanctity. They don't not discuss politics or religion - both of which are at least secondary features of the whole fraternity and on several layers.>KabbalahIt's clear by this point you don't know what that means. Let me start by saying what Kabbalah is and what it is not:Kabbalah is not "jewish stuff". It is not about wearing red bracelets. It is not about smashing chickens to death, cutting off baby's dick tips and sucking them or not touching or looking at your wife if she's on her period. "Kabbalah" is a system of Occult-Psychology (their intersection) and is pervasive among any and all Spiritual systems. At times, they scale down to a more mundane explanation and sometimes they scale all the way up to Psychological Astrology. They seemed to have started with the 2, they moved on to the 4, then either the 5 or the 6, spent a shit ton of time on the 7, most of us exoterically are on the 12 and they even go all the way up to 72 (and its multiples) in some systems. Explaining the relationship between what all of those number-spiritual systems mean to you isn't the time, but what this does explain is that "Kabbalah" is a way to map the Inner Space and to study the relationships between the different mechanisms of our internal wiring. The reason Jung was so prolific, for a prominent example, is because he was the first expressed Psychologist that cracked the nut of the Occult world and let slip a few of the secrets long held within the traditions usually kept secret from you normalfags.So it works very simply: "Kabbalah" or Qabalah/Cabala are not merely different versions of the same Spiritual system, but are meant to map the Psychological world.
>Low-tier mason trying his darndest to cope with the fact his superiors don't tell him shitMaybe if you weren't such a boot-licking faggot they'd let you know more lol
>>42943457>Do you have any fucking idea how many other people believed the same exact thing throughout history?Do you mean the other Abrahamites?>We can all tell when you're uninitiated, anon.Larp, Larp, Larp Sahur.>That's funny, Who told you that, sport?His texts faggot.>God you newfags are so cute.>I'm le oldfag and better than you.Your labels don't mean anything in the end.>What's wrong with Lucifer, Can you even explain it?Did you even read the thread nigger?>>42943522>but this assertion about Lucifer that it's only meant to blind people is retarded and desperate.He is the light bearer, and the light blinds more than it illuminates, simple as.>Explain what's wrong with Rebellion, Explain why it's a problem for forward momentum to persist undaunted.Read the thread, rebellion isn't forward momentum.>By people that do not read books.Octaves of the same thing.>Some of them for a time, the older ones, seemed to insist that the snake in the Garden offering Adam and Eve le Forbidden Knowledge was a beneficial force.The Ophites, some Gnostic accounts say Jesus was an Aeon and Jesus is Lucifer according to the Bible so would that make Lucifer an Aeon?>>42943554>both of which are at least secondary features of the whole fraternity and on several layers.Cap.>"Kabbalah" is a system of Occult-PsychologyAll psychology is "jewish stuff">The reason Jung was so prolific.Jungfag detected, i could already tell by the block of text though.
Damn this thread became very pro-mason. How gay. I notice they try to come in and control the narrative a lot, why do they even care if the accusations are not true?
>>42946089two heads of the same bird
>>42945853They are trying to dilute the discussion and derail the thread from the main topic of the OP, they fill the thread with pilpul debate drivel to dilute the noticing voices.>>42946089>red and blue
>>42931815Jewism is satanism Everything else is Jewish propaganda
>>42945224>Do you mean the other Abrahamites?Did someone tell you that Saturn is owned by "Hebrews"? That's fundamentally incorrect and this is a model example of unearned confidence.>Crowley comes out as gay or somethingYou just made that up. You know literally nothing at all about Crowley and it's desperately apparent.>read the threadWhy the fuck would I do that? I'm not here to follow your stupid fucking newfag rules.>Light-Bearer blinds everyone, dude!It's swell you think that, big guy.>rebellion isn't forward momentumIt's really nice that you think that, but I disagree vehemently.>some Gnostics accounts say Jesus was an Aeon>Jesus is LuciferHe calls himself "Morning Star" just like Quetzalcoatl does and it meant the same thing when he said it too.>Lucifer an AeonLucifer is an Archetype.>capFancy zoomer words. Do you have broccoli hair too?>Freud is the only Psychologist ever!Did you know Nietzsche thought of himself as a Psychologist?>JungfagHow could you ever possibly dislike Jung?>block of textThere's a reason we do this and if you don't know I will not be telling you. The funny thing is you read it though.>You're a freemason probably!You do know you can just go online, download the books, read them yourself and then talk to other people about them, correct? It's not that difficult. Reading books is fun. You should try it.>>42945853I don't wear an apron and I never have. Freemasonry isn't inherently bad, but it is compromised and has been for quite some time. I don't suggest joining. It's a glorified book club for boomers to escape their fat wives and has been ruined by brown people.
>>42946146Tell us what you think is special about the Purple, anon.
>>42947744>"Crowley wasn't gay"
>>42947744masons have oral lessons that need to be memorized none of it is written downthey have tracing boards for that reason
>>42931815>The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple, Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations, It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them, Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.>>42931959>In Brazilian Masonic Supply shops they sell Eliphas Levi's books and one of them has the Baphomet on their cover, it's the Portuguese edition of Eliphas Levi's Transcendental Magic
https://youtu.be/lX_zvsdyY0Y
>>42947789You can just go online and read books that Freemasons have written. They're free and easy to download with a simple search.>>42947787>crowley was gay, guys!Are you making some allusion to the semen pastries? I can tell you about that if you'd like. If people being gay because they consume sexual fluids is a preoccupation of yours, you're going to hate my history lessons.Once again, we can always tell when you're new and uninitiated (not to Freemasonry, newfag).
>>42947833>Once again, we can always tell... when a shill didn't get the memo /x/ knows about the butt cult's resurgence?
>>42947923The Freemasons are not having a resurgence, anon. That's funny.>you're a shill or somethingThat's funny. Good joke.
>>42947929I wasn't talking about the Freemasons but it looks like some do take male brides. If you're actually a shill you will continue response, either way please do there's lots we can both learn.
>>42947975Much better. You're correct. The Romans are the homosexuals and they always have been. They even tried to frame the Greeks, but we have works like Symposium (is that the right one?) where they condemn Pederasty pretty transparently.
>>42947994Much better indeed. But now you must tell them about those Freemasons, and those cults hiding within and behind Freemasonry, who still serve Rome. Don't paint it black and white again, nice try though.
>>42948048I'm pretty sure we just aligned adequately enough. I didn't make anything black and white. Calm down.
>>42948064>I didn't make anything black and whiteYou did. I picked out the pissant gay Crowley topic because that's about the only thing in your green multipronged write-up that you actually disagreed with toward other anon. All else was a sly dickwave framed as an argument when you are clearly intelligent enough to know you weren't really disagreeing with the other anon, either, just shitting on his topics and closing the lid.
>>42948134It's evident you're not following the conversation, unfortunately.
>>42948154Coming from the guy that claims he didn't read the thread because only newfags do that? I think you're avoiding real conversations by twisting whatever topics you can grab to impede anons talking about Lucifer/Saturn and the role Freemasonry is playing to turn lead to gold. Plenty of lurkers are well equipped to both understand that topic and add their own input but I guess we just don't follow your conversation huh.
>>42948282Yeah, you're definitely lost.Can you give this a rest? Are you trying to slide or soemthing?
>>42948321Nope I'm having showing anons how you still can't stop replying. Now you're calling the guy talking about globohomo Saturn butt cults a slider shill? That sucks, I thought we'd just aligned adequately enough.
>>42948361But you're doing this weird slide shit though.>y-you can't stop replyingYou know I was having conversations with people, right? That's how dialog works.
>>42948439I think I'm just engaging with a greentext wall slider with posts you can't greentext. While using images for intelligent lurkers to extrapolate upon in the context of Saturn, Freemasonic/Vatin cults, and sodomy. You can't slide with the topic of the thread, silly.
freemasons are like UFO believers,ask them about the africa dilemma and watch how deflect,how they give a non answer to the unspeakable suffering that is happening in that place
>>42932044The Baphomet is not satanic, it has its roots with the Knights Templars who transmutated partially into freemasonry. The Baphomet is symbolic of alchemical, hermetic and natural law principles. Larping satanists adopt it in order to look like edgelords. Also Crowley was not a satanist you cretins, if he was, he would have had no issue with boasting about it. On the contrary, he sued on several occasions for being labelled as such.
>>42948477We were having a discussion. You're clearly misunderstanding and this is getting awkward.>>42948134 here you admit to interjecting, framing my discussion with someone else in ways that are supposed to annoy me. It's evident that you didn't understand our discussion or are just sliding it. I guess you could just have aspergers. Do you have aspergers?
>>42948564>The Baphomet is symbolic of alchemical, hermetic and natural law principles.Baphomet is a relatively new symbol and is one of the more modern depictions of the Tetragrammaton, Abraxas, Demiurge or Gadreel. If you read the books, you learn about Saklas, you learn how Crowley describes him, you learn how the Templars describe him, you learn about the Syzygy and you learn about how Baphomet depicts Goat + Man and what it represents, but it's unfortunate there's, for some strange reason, people that clicked on this thread without bothering to learn much about these subjects and have shown up to slide, distract or annoy people who are participating in earnest. How strange. I wonder why they'd do that.
>>42948593Lol you can't quote an accusation against you and say it was talking about myself instead. But you threw in a medical illness just to be safe. Just call me schizo, anons can already see you.>>42948610Are you gonna bring up picrel too? Or are we pretending like the Templars and Baphomet aren't the source of Freemasonry's corruption?
>>42948771It was a petty reduction of the post I made trying to astroturf it. It was a shitpost. Anon and I were having a discussion. You're now on some distraction tangent which absolutely wreaks of slide tactics.>just call me schizoNo, I think you being a sperg fits well enough.>Baphomet is, like, evilThis is just some banal Proto-Gnostic drivel you borrowed from the Pre-Neoplatonism era when the two fused. This was well over a thousand years ago. You're very far behind and haven't familiarized yourself with any of the modern talking points, let alone anything that happened last millennium or last century.What are you even fucking doing in this thread besides sliding it?
>>42948983>What are you even fucking doingI've done nothing but stay on topic and call your reductive logic for what I think it is. Designed to minimalize conversation about Satan/Saturn cults. A horned fertility deity from the Levant wasn't just made up or borrowed or fused, it was picrel resurrected in a different form.I'm very familiar with the modern talking points, they're in that picrel and several of the other posts I made. You cannot have a discussion about Freemasonry or Templars on the internet anymore without acknowledging the insider leaks and investigative conspiracies. You still won't address them because you're still trying to convince us they're modern newfag inventions. Who are you persuading?
>Pike states that the symbolism of the Templars originated in earlier ages, going all the way back to Aaron's calf of gold, made for the Israelites. He complained "The symbols of the wise always become the idols of the ignorant multitude." (Pike 818)
https://libraryofrickandria.com/lodge/
>>42947744>Did someone tell you that Saturn is owned by "Hebrews", That's fundamentally incorrect and this is a model example of unearned confidence.Wasn't talking about Saturn.>You know literally nothing at all about Crowley and it's desperately apparent.He was more gay than bisexual, read the materials of the XIº (Eleventh) Degree of the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) which Crowley formulated himself btw.>Why the fuck would I do that, I'm not here to follow your stupid fucking newfag rules.You don't read my shit yet expect me to read your drivel?>It's swell you think that, big guy.It's true to.>It's really nice that you think that, but I disagree vehemently.Enjoy your ahrimanic society then, and don't forget to eat ze bugs and get in ze pod.>Lucifer is an Archetype.More like personification.Fancy zoomer words, Do you have broccoli hair too?Nah, also ad hominem isn't an argument nigger.>Did you know Nietzsche thought of himself as a Psychologist?I never mentioned Freud nor Nietzsche, all psychology is jewish and so are the psychologists, it's a meme field.>How could you ever possibly dislike Jung?Picrel.>The funny thing is you read it though.I skimmed through it, but now that i know the type of retard i'm dealing with it makes things easier.>Reading books is fun, You should try it.Books don't matter, only practical experience."All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little; solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked."- Liber AL I:56>>42947749https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrian_purple>>42947833>Once again, we can always tell when you're new and uninitiated (not to Freemasonry, newfag).Larp, Larp, Larp Sahur.Also the thread is being derailed hard with bullshit not related to masonry.
>>42948564>Crowley was not a satanist you cretinsYeah he just called himself the beast 666 for the lulz i'm sure, you haven't explained the Capricornian aspect of the Goat.>>42949612>calf of gold>Symbol of the wiselmaoAlso it appears the Jungian retard got confused and started arguing with someone else thinking it was me lmao.
>>42931815They literally tell you they think Lucifer is the ruler of the world (lmao) on like the first day and that they have to worship him. You don’t even take the oaths yet, you can just go asn thelly tell you this shit and then I can walk out..
>>42950363Also yes i know the 666 is Solar but even then Crowley knew perfectly the Satanic implications of using the 666 beast title.
>>42950373That old vampire is the ruler of the earth, babylon is the NWO and the NWO is already here.Freemasons are agents and children of that evil ruler.>Isaiah Chapter 14 KJV9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
>>42947790Forced meme.>>42947994>They even tried to frame the GreeksExplain the myth of Ganymede and Zeus then. Plato was also a faggot.>>42948282>>42948321I'm not that anon retard.
>>42931859https:// archive.ph/L6CieTool Drummer Danny Carey Summons Demons Through Crowley MagickTool drummer Danny Carey believes that he can summon demons to do his will by practising ritual Magick through trance-like drum patterns.Danny Carey wrote the forward to a 2009 book titled “The Wickedest Books in the World: Confessions of an Aleister Crowley Bibliophile”. This volume is a collection of writings of the British wizard, occultist and inventor of Magick; Aleister Crowley. Symbols of Crowley’s Golden Dawn cult and other Masonic imagery features on Danny’s website. Danny also sells a t-shirt of a Crowley quote.Danny Carey’s Father Was A FreemasonThis bio was listed on the official Tool website at one time but was removed. Web Archive still allows users to see the old site. Many other websites, blogs and interviews also reference this fact as we will come to see.“…an element of mystery was added to Danny’s childhood when one day he spied his father with a large sword conducting a Masonic ritual…Despite not becoming a Mason or aligning himself with any other school of religion, Danny has maintained his heritages [sic] interest in occult studies.”
>>42950410They'll get it, some already have.https://youtu.be/gpXj8fNFr8M
>>42933224This
>>42950421
>>42950790no wonder tool songs are so cringe
>>42931815Freemasonry is actually satanism. Christmas is not saturnalia, pagan rituals were injected into the practice of its celebration to try to make it worldly and taint it. Zeitgeist was a gay movie that got a ton wrong. You are right about Freemasonry though.
>>42951181The tool singer is a mason too. Here's his pizza wagon.
>>42951985he's a thelemitethelema teaches your will over Gods will
>>42951997>thelema teaches your will over Gods willNot exactly, it teaches that your true will is also the universe's will, you sort of like, harmonize your will with the universe as a fish using a water current to move forward.
>>42950421>Plato was a faggotDid someone tell you this? I'd love to know where they read this. I've read most of Plato and haven't read any indication he was a homosexual. Nice try though.>I'm not that anonThat "anon" is evidently here to slide.>Ganymede and ZeusGood exception, anon. More strong exceptions are the Herculeans and the Orphites. Did you know the maenads "punished" (they murdered him) Orpheus because of how he treated the young people?Did you know the Bodybuilding world is still intensely homosexual today.>>42950790Is this you thinking Thelema, Freemasonry and le "Satanism" are all the same things?>>42951985>Maynard is a masonDo you think that because people invoke symbols that someone else commonly uses, that means they're all in the same specific group?I'll admit the pizza imagery is specifically, by itself, problematic after the Pizzagate issues (which persist, everyone), but go ahead and find me any other indication of some kind of sexual deviance of Maynard's outside of he had a wig on for a concert this one time.>>42951997>thelema teaches your will over Gods willWe really never should have let you normalfags come here. Do you guys just make things up without applying any effort to understand something and then go on the internet and spew your propagandized theories for your own entertainment? Are you not trying to offer any worthwhile conversation? If you're not, why are you here? All of us could just go to Reddit and get this nonsense drivel by retards. Why aren't you participating in earnest?
>>42952035christian pray that the God's will be donethelemites do the opposite
Masonic Mental Olympics in here!
>>42952045kill yourself you little shityour power level is next to nothing
the entirety of american reality is a patchwork of masonic psyops
>>42952045>I've read most of Plato and haven't read any indication he was a homosexual, Nice try though.Now you're just doing the leftist "pretending not to undertstand rhetoric" to make discourse impossible. Read Plato's Symposium and Crowley's 1911 magical diary where he also confirms this.>Is this you thinking Thelema, Freemasonry and le "Satanism" are all the same things?Thelema and Masonry are Luciferian, some would argue that also makes them Satanist.It's also funny how you backed down on defending Crowley wasn't a faggot after i mentioned the materials from the XIº degree of the O.T.O, the Norwegian O.T.O also posted picrel.>>42952057Yeah they are really in denial.>>42952053Thelemites follow the core law "Do what thou wilt," meaning they align with their own true divine will rather than submitting to an external deity's commands.
>>42931815Another thread shitting in one tradition while trying to promote another one. Dude, get real. If you want to make the argument that freemasonry is satanic then you gotta agree with christianity is just the same. If we are honest, if we take all the dogmas and bias away, and if we are objective then we will conclude that alot of what is written in the bible can be considered "satanic". For example, when God commands people to kill other people. When Gods sends plagues and diseses and impsoes His will, which the believers will justify as "divine judgement" is not that satanic? I don' get it. They say that doing what we want is a satanic mantra, but God does exactly that because the believers preach that everything only happens because God allows it so if God allows it then it's because He wants because why would God allow something which He does not want? He's God! It makes sense. And this is the problem. The believers don't get. Dude, you are not being fair at all. If you want to shit in one religion or tradition then you gotta recognize that they are all shit and dumb and kind satanic if you really stop to think about because, let us not forget it, christians are simbolically eating flesh and drinking blood. You may argue they are not doing the real thing, but only because they can't kill Jesus everyday. If they had the chance they would bind Jesus and somehow feast on his divine body and blood everyday, they would even somehow capitalize on that. If they can capitalize using the IDEA that people are consuming the body and blood of this divine humab being then imagine if they had the REAL DEAL. Nuts. So all traditions are satanic, christianity is no different.
If we strip away the surface-level political drama, the corporate theater, and the historical distractions, the architecture of the symbols dissected—the obelisks channeling solar-phallic currents, the Owl of Minerva/Lilith at the Bohemian Grove, the inversion of universal mother principles, and the hyper-calculated geometry of the global power hubs—does not point to a bunch of modern politicians/priests casually playing dress-up.It points directly to a highly sophisticated, deeply entrenched Hermetic Qabbalistic technocracy that consciously operates on the Samael-Lilithian current (the Left-Hand path of the Sitra Achra or the Qliphoth).
>>42955796>Plato's SymposiumI'm basically certain the whole thing about pederastry is that genuine companionship, initiations and mentorship and noble and highly-esteemed and that physical, aggressive or unwanted attention is repugnant behavior. Maybe we read separate books.>Crowley was gayLook, if you want me to help you out here, yes, there was definitely gay shit Crowley did, but for you to undermine all of his work because of this is for you to not just distract other people from what he developed and became so prominent for, but parade around your avoidance like some badge of honor is just disappointing.>Thelema and Masonry are Luciferian>that also makes them SatanistIt's just insulting that you're so unread at this point. Conflating Lucifer and Satan like some Evangelical is bad enough. Then you have the audacity to suggest that Thelema and Freemasonry are similar because both of them talk about Lucifer sometimes. Are you just here to annoy people?>you stopped defending CrowleyMy views on someone don't hinge 100% on their sexual practices, anon. Calling people faggots is funny. People getting upset about it is funny. I do it basically every day of my life. But for you to enter a serious conversation, use this routine in conversation about subjects people read loads of books about and come to places like this to discuss in detail and then mock other people for making a serious effort by doing this routine is unacceptable. Being an annoying asshole is one thing. Doing it on purpose is predatory and aggressive. You're unwelcome.
>>42952057Lol I'd imagine they're mad some anons know more about Lucifer and his human legions than half their own meritocratically-neutered cults. Our digital Scholomance will gladly end when they build us a proper one, much less allow us inside, till then it's a domino game of contingencies we're happy to fall again for.https://youtu.be/Mx6K9u7G0do
>>42955820>masonic cope block of text.Satanism generally involves the adversary of the Judeo-Christian God, focusing on self-deification, rebellion, or secular humanism (Freemasonry ticks most theses boxes with their Luciferianism and usage of Santa but they also worship a GAOTU so i wouldn't call them fully secular humanist) while Christianity centers on worshiping that same Judeo-Christian God and following Jesus Christ (which Masons and other occultists argue is Lucifer).Christian theology views God's actions (like plagues or judgments) as supreme, ultimate justice rather than malicious torture, as for the Eucharist it is understood as a remembrance of sacrifice and grace rather than a literal or hostile consumption of flesh.Also, the United Grand Lodge of England supports pride and sodomy (double sin).>picrel>>42955830>Sitra AchraQliphiothic shill spotted.>>42955985>aggressive or unwanted attention is repugnant behavior.So it's ok with you as long as it isn't physical, aggressive or unwanted attention? You might have to check the grammar on that one again.>but for you to undermine all of his work because of this is for you to not just distract other people from what he developed and became so prominent for, but parade around your avoidance like some badge of honor is just disappointing.Let's look at what else he developed and became so prominent for shall we? This poem is quite telling about his mind.https://allpoetry.com/Leah-Sublime>audacity to suggest that Thelema and Freemasonry are similar because both of them talk about Lucifer sometimes, Are you just here to annoy people?Sometimes? Thelema revolves around Horus, a.k.a the Sun of The Morning wink ;) wink ;) >>42935387 while Freemasonry revolves around "light", it's not sometimes, the two systems are literally centered around Luciferianism.
>>42956075What's happening upsets a plethora of different groups at once, masquerades as harmless musing, is layered deeply with hidden contingency plans and is conducted by the only genuine catalyst something like this could ever maintain. "Why are they upset?" - that is where you begin.You'll need to ask why they didn't like the Mystery Cults. You'll need to find out where they came from. You'll need to find out who infiltrated them, what other alignments they have, what they were responsible for historically and who it is they've been searching for this entire time.Then the real game begins.
>>42956091>So it's ok with you as long as it isn't physical, aggressive or unwanted attention?I think you're unable to understand what they were talking about and just assume they were all obsessed with raping boys because you have no other frame of reference for this dynamic or why it might be important.Anon, it's, again, abundantly clear you're unfamiliar with the subject matter and it's really disappointing you'd come here to fill up our imageboard with bullshit bait in an effort to erode community trust and the reliability of esteemed conversation.>go and read this and tell talk to me more about gay shitThis must be fun for you.>Horus is the Sun in the Morning>Morning StarThe Morning Star is Venus. Horus is a Solar deity. When we get to Harpocrates, the themes acquire a bit of a twist. >the systems revolve around Lucifer!Yeah, I know. All of us know. You're the one that's still running around stating obvious facts and expecting everyone to agree it's a big deal. The trouble here is the rest of us have read the books and don't think Lucifer is le ebil like you still do and we all make fun of you when you're not around because you do this annoying shit. It's why none of us tell you where we hang out.Again, Lucifer isn't Satan. Lucifer means "Light-Bringer" and you, along with the Evangelicals, are retarded for convincing each other that that's ever been a bad thing outside of this one single time you're obsessing over.Why does this dramatic misunderstanding have to subsume so many other conversations? Why can't we collectively get past your retarded avoidance of the appropriate reference material? Why do you persist in refusing to read books, but you still come to places like this, where people who read books hang out and discuss the books they've read?Is your strategy really convince us Crowley was gay so no one will bother to read more about him?... How pathetic.
might as well post it herehttps://youtu.be/f4Mc-NYPHaQ?si=zsifI6Fm3JVbnmbS&t=71>at 1:11>tranny sings "god knows i want to break free">opens door to masonic lodgewhat did they mean by this?
>>42956116It's subliminal recruitment. Not that complicated.Again, Freemasonry is largely compromised. It got infiltrated centuries ago.
>>42955985>>42956075>>42956093>>42956112You have the romantic idea of Lucifer as a quirk chungus rebel and "freedom fighter" but what happens when man rebells?>our imageboard with bullshit bait in an effort to erode community trust and the reliability of esteemed conversation.>How do you do fellow anons.No one speaks like that here, also community trust against who? You Luciferians?>The Morning Star is Venus.Lucifer is male though.>Again, Lucifer isn't Satan.A different octave of the same being.>Lucifer means "Light-Bringer"And what light does he bring? The promethean scientific light that is bringing society into a technocratic dystopia? Or the esoteric light that promotes the awakening of the kundalini through the "rooth chakra"?>Is your strategy really convince us Crowley was gay so no one will bother to read more about him, How pathetic.Not stopping anyone from reading Crowley, go ahead, practice his system and see how you end up, it sure ended well for him in the end.
>>42956091Double sin is what Sabbatean Frankism? Basically telling them to stay in the great deep, where they themselves become husks. Instead of finding equlibrium.
>>42956123Why did you enter this thread if you hate everything about its central premise?Are you here to evangelize or are you here to have an earnest discussion outside of "everything they do is evil!!!!!!!!1"?Why are you here right now? Is someone paying you money to do this?
>>42956134>Why did you enter this thread if you hate everything about its central premise?To debate, the Luciferian seethe is quite telling.>discussion outside of "everything they do is evil?Can you prove that everything they do isn't evil?>Is someone paying you money to do this?Nah, but is someone paying you money to promote Luciferianism?
>>42956093>upsets a plethora of different groups at once, masquerades as harmless musing, is layered deeply with hidden contingency plans and is conducted by the only genuine catalyst something like this could ever maintain.Well now it just sounds catty.https://youtu.be/h2zgB93KANE>>42956134>Is someone paying you money to do this?Probably not, these are the types like Ghislaine Maxwell who patrol internet sites for their occult groups.
>>42956091>Satanism generally involves the adversary of the Judeo-Christian God, focusing on self-deification, rebellion, or secular humanism (Freemasonry ticks most theses boxes with their Luciferianism and usage of Santa but they also worship a GAOTU so i wouldn't call them fully secular humanist) while Christianity centers on worshiping that same Judeo-Christian God and following Jesus Christ (which Masons and other occultists argue is Lucifer).>Christian theology views God's actions (like plagues or judgments) as supreme, ultimate justice rather than malicious torture, as for the Eucharist it is understood as a remembrance of sacrifice and grace rather than a literal or hostile consumption of flesh.>Also, the United Grand Lodge of England supports pride and sodomy (double sin).>christian cope block of text.Christians are really stupid, they aeally are. The ones who are not stupid are not even christians 100%, but just try to respect the christian tradition when the teachings are coerent. But people like this anon are just all over the place. Notices how full of prejudice he is. He keeps using LGBTQ+ flags, pride flasg, to try to associate the peope who he is debating against to it, to being gay. Being homossexual is one thing, being Evil is another. You are full of shit, anon. I call you out on your BS and prejudice. Note he never tried to debate what I said about how some rituals in christianity can be considered satanic. He avoids that and just tries to give some generic resume about what christianity is as none of us know what christianity is or once were christians. In the end he mentions sodomy being a sin. This is the bggest sign that he is a sheep. He wants to demonize those who like to take in the ass. He can't understand that people are free to do with their bodies what they want. He wants to justify social constructs. HE basically is pushng for the slavery of the human race, but does he see it like that? Not even for a second.
>>42957213>another cope block of text1 Corinthians 6:9-10>Note he never tried to debate what I said about how some rituals in christianity can be considered satanic.I did, you're just projecting your inner Satanism unto Christian traditions, Christian theology views God as sovereign and all-powerful, meaning he can do anything that aligns with his perfect nature, but Christian doctrine says God limits His own actions based on logic, love, and human free will.>He can't understand that people are free to do with their bodies what they want.Enjoy your STD's and worms.
>>42931815OG Freemasonry is a form of Norse paganism mantained in secrecy by the Norman elite in England, that's where all the odinist eye symbolism comes from (read Arvid Ystad's "Freemasonry – the Norse religion from the Vikings")In 1656 jews were allowed back in England, not even 10 years later they besieged London and caused first the 1665 plague and then the 1666 fire, after which they bought the entirety of the city and used it as their stronghold. They continued taking over the English elite until the great final coup that was the Rothschilds' Waterloo scam.Anyway, starting from 1666 the Norman masonic elite was gradually replaced with philosemitic, parvenu sycophants who didn't know/understand the odinist symbolism and rituals (such as the threefold death ritual, the shamanic skull-insight or the wanderer's raiments) and instead reframed it in a biblical context, turning it into a form of pseudognostic antichristianity (similar to talmudic judaism itself). "Odin" became "Solomon", and the sigil of Odin's eye became the square and compass of Solomon's seal, the one he used to control demons and shamir parasites to build his temple. The symbolic blinding that Norman freemasons did to initiate themselves to Odin was fused with said shamir mythology, which led to the new freemasons injecting their eyes with actual parasites to turn their body into a temple in the same way that Solomon used the shamir stone worms to turn stone into the temple. It's a long story as you can see, and it's very hard to trace this mix of symbols back to their real roots. As for Santa, Norman Freemasons venerated Odin as the Wild Hunt's chief who rode in winter nights, this became the anti-christian Santa of new freemasons who wanted to turn Christmas into a festival of commerce by making the gift-giving aspect of the festivity into the main attraction.
>>42955820>If you want to make the argument that freemasonry is satanic then you gotta agree with christianity is just the same.The usual critique of freemasonry as a de facto satanic organization is their penchant for implicit assumptions of subjectivism and open appeals to pluralism, and both pluralism and subjectivism are traditionally associated with satanism. The oaths in freemasonry require you to side with the Masonic brotherhood over your Church community if ever disagreement arises. The organization’s refusal to pick a lane with regard to which God is the correct God and the resulting vagueness of the religiosity required for membership, allows for a Christian man to be obligated to side with a schismatic, heretic, or pagan over his fellow Christian. This completely ignores the Freemasonic penchant for dabbling in some rather heretical esotericism from time to time.
A Satanic religion will never tell you its Satanic thats why they operate in secret
>>42931815freemasons are idiot jew slaves instructed to do their masters dirty work while slathered in the most retarded interpretations of old mystery school teachings in order to discredit them and further the work of homogaytan in making humanity helpless against their domestication.
What are the parts of freemasonry that are actually true e.g. being a better man?And why is it veiled in allegory and concerns rational things like spirituality and enlightenment if it is so evil?What's there to understand that's worth understanding?
>>42959505>What are the parts of freemasonry that are actually trueDoes it even understand truth to exist?>e.g. being a better manGiven truth does exist, how does one define what it means to be a better than that which has preceded, let alone a better man?>And why is it veiled in allegoryCritics would chalk this up to obfuscation, but I would say the point of allegory is to force people to think, or at the very least intuit, toward that which is true rather than simply accepting traditions and definitions. Frik my experience, thinking your way toward understanding gives you a more rigorous and thorough understanding of that which is to be understood than if you had been merely taught presupposed truths.>and concerns rational things like spirituality and enlightenment if it is so evil?True adherence to evil is only possible if you are cognizant of the good, and cognizance of the good is only possible if good exists and is knowable. Deluded weenies presuppose enlightenment as an objective good. Is that really the case?
>>42959505What determines the concept of "better man" here? Are we sepaking of a Nietzschean Superman or a "better man"/handyman for someone else? A better soldier for a hidden hand?>And why is it veiled in allegory and concerns rational things like spirituality and enlightenment if it is so evil?People couldn't read back then so they had to be shown plays and characters to get the ideas, and as pike wrote the full meaning of the allegories were only shown to the elect which is very suspicious in and of itself.>picrel>>42959720>Deluded weenies presuppose enlightenment as an objective good, Is that really the case?The light blinds.
>>42959733They are just pawns on a board you see.
>>42959761Making good men better (pawns)
>>42959733>there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with itGiven an acceptance that selective pressures exist, this would do little more than propagate a genetic predilection toward giving zero fucks about tradition.
>>42959777Checked.But doesn't cultural evolutionary theory show that tradition is actually a highly efficient survival mechanism?
>>42959797>doesn't cultural evolutionary theory show that tradition is actually a highly efficient survival mechanism?Yes, and that’s why cultural extremism that results in a lessening of one’s posterity doesn’t survive for very long. Culture is beneficial from an evolutionary perspective due partially to its ability to propagate itself within a population, and that means any culture that displays anti-fertile traits will propagate itself quickly and be snuffed out. You have to think about ideas or culture the same way you think about pandemics. A disease that kills too quickly in relation to how quickly it spreads will snuff itself out. A disease that embeds itself wholecloth before displaying its more fatal characteristics will wipe out a population.
>>42959842Interesting analogy with the pandemic there.
>>42959864very interesting :^)
>>42959842is that why Japans and Chinas population are dying out, anime is making them all infertile?
>>42959777>Given an acceptance that selective pressures existWhich selective pressures are you talking about here?
>>42960127Anything that may prevent the propagation of mankind or decrease the likelihood of the propagation of mankind would qualify as a selective pressure.
>>42933224Judaism is extinct
I always wondered why, if Jews were in power, that /pol/ was allowed to exist with their blatant redpilling on Jews and their books. When I discovered the SR generals I noticed way more backlash from shills, which doesn't make sense because Jews fundamentally promote SR. The only logical perspective would be that their goal was to hate on Onanism. Whether it's Christian or Jewish, that doesn't matter. It's what our Father looks down upon. Satanist/Luciferians perceive anything that our Father loves as evil and vice versa. And now this thread or general (I believe I've seen it more than once and honestly would love to keep seeing it) which attracts more hate/shills than SRG. Why? Because it's more than just Onanism. It shows the true nature of those who hate our Father. Observing these shills alone indicates their goal has more priority to corrupt Chrstians than to defend Freemasonry. On the other hand, I must commend everyone else here for exposing Freemasonry. I had typed a lot of text to reply to said shills, but you guys are just too good and took the words right out of my posts (some even better than I could've imagined)
>>42959932an israeli anon posted his father's ring
>>42960445>wow, i get to meet godzilla irl? fuckin awesome
>>42960445It's illuminating to read those orthodox Jewish books on SR. Some of them really used to believe It's worse than murder.However, virtually all major porn production and distribution is owned by jews. Jews will nickel and dime the goyim for everything under the sun including things that hurt them, but not porn. Porn is free. Why would they give away something so addictive and perverted, and make It accessible by anyone with an internet connection? The goal is not to "hate on onanism". Meditate on that.
>>42960445more jesus freak christianity and false savior bullshit
>>42957352>1 Corinthians 6:9-10heaven is fake and so is jesus
>>42962977The STD's and worms aren't fake though.
>>42962597Well, of course it's best for jews to control porn. Like many of them said: their goal is to corrupt Christians, because they hate Jesus Christ. Aside that, jews are easy to manipulate from Lucifer's perspective. The Old Testament testifies on that. Meditate on that.
>>42931815Masonry is extremely satanic
>>42964145Also: "Never get high on your own supply."
>>42939835The highest order of most of these power structures embrace absolute homosexuality to keep women from infiltrating the governing body of the organization.Throughout history the strongest of organizations have collapsed due to female infiltration.These men literally hypnotize themselves intentionally, deep into homosexuality to hold power while being able to continue enjoying sex.
>>42931815square and compass - qura and se ss ap moc - Quran hand sex ass zap mockIt's not a mock if you really do it.
>>42956116He? is an Arab. The door leads to a mosque.
