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>>42941957
some things indeed are relative... like trusting a handshake instead of your judgement of character... or believing in justice being trumped by intimidation or extortion... but, at the end of the day, no sane Catholic --or Christian for that matter-- would join an organization which takes pride in implementing communism

there are indeed stories where decent people ended up in the same lodge, yet bringing up these is like a gypsy gang bringing forth the only gypsy who can pretend to work for more than five minutes

there used to be more exceptions: discharged soldiers in the UK and small towns where everybody knew each other in the USA... but what I said in the previous paragraph also applies to them

freemasonry is comfy and safe, but a Christian does not sell its soul for comfort and safety

>>42942490
Who is that lil nigga and why is his aura blazing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVPhifb4ciI

>>42942490
Read this post:

https://reddit.com/r/Retconned/s/O5lcXNY7ON
>TLDR:

>This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. What's more, you should definitely be warning people about the upcoming "day of vengeance" here on Bozrah. Keep in mind that the 1,000-year Millennial Kingdom will take place on Earth, not on Bozrah. This planet will be destroyed (and Jesus will be the destroyer). It has no future.

>Bozrah is basically a replica of Earth. People who have lived here their entire lives NEED to realize—once and for all—that this celestial body was never Earth, and it never will be. It's an impostor planet. And if you have an issue with that, take it up with God, not me. I just speak the truth (nothing more, nothing less).

>Bozrah's human anatomy is distinct enough from Earth's human anatomy that the differences allow me to know, with 100 percent certainty, that this is a different planet. Not 99.99 percent certainty, but literally 100.00 percent certainty. On top of all of that, the speed of time here is a blazing 50 percent faster compared to Earth! Yes, you read that correctly: fifty percent faster (as in 1.5x speed, and thus a day on this planet is only 16 Earth hours long). So, forget about all of the anatomical differences for just a moment. The time difference ALONE allows me to know, with 100 percent certainty, that this is a different planet. Now, ask yourself the following question: Is God not watching each and every person who tries to debunk these differences?

>You, the Bozrah native, are the one who has been deceived. Not me. God didn't send me to the other side of the Milky Way Galaxy just for you to tell me that I have been deceived. You are the one who was born on an impostor planet. Not me.

>Update: In June 2026, a Reddit admin deleted my main Bozrah post! It had been up for over four years and was last edited in May 2025. It now exists as an X article. The redpill post will take you to my pinned X thread, which will then take you to the article.

>>42946047
And this post as well:

https://reddit.com/r/Retconned/s/ZZ4UOrHnlU
>Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Moreover, the event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this isn't Earth. Earth is roughly 75,000 light-years from here (and is currently going through the Tribulation). This is merely an impostor planet, a physical replica designed to serve two purposes: (1) a containment realm for a particular bloodline (namely, the Edomites), and (2) a temporary sanctuary for select individuals (namely, the elect or "remnant of Israel") who were raptured from Earth prior to the start of the Tribulation.

>By the way, the thing that I'm referring to as "Bozrah" is not a symbolic concept. It's not an eschatological metaphor. It's not an allegorical parable. It's the physical, corporeal planet you're currently residing on. And unless you confront that fact head-on, you'll remain in total darkness (fully deceived by the illusion). So, in regard to our current location, let me be very clear: This planet was never Earth, and it never will be.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Mi6yWam-dac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zTWTR7p31A

>>42949204
wow

>>42945950
Wait till you see the Sun with the face. Tarot card nineteen vibes.

https://thavmapub.com/2026/08/20/astrology-in-a-catholic-mass-book/

https://thavmapub.com/2026/06/16/rethinking-words-magic-esoteric-occult-and-mystical/
https://fellowshipoftheinnerfire.wordpress.com/beliefs/
https://fellowshipoftheinnerfire.wordpress.com/about/
https://fellowshipoftheinnerfire.wordpress.com/free-pdf-library/

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https://theoakwitch.com/pagan-and-christian-syncretism-in-english-folk-magic/
https://theoakwitch.com/written-charms-in-english-folk-magic/

>>42951149
nice, would crawl inside and fall asleep
st michael ftw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwYjgrLiGDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCbGjHxlEg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldaRSG9o-m0

https://www.ncregister.com/commentaries/fernandez-pendragon-cycle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks_WivnlPsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_XaNtq_Tgk

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https://templarpriests.weebly.com/pastoral-letters--articles/the-validity-of-the-sacraments-of-the-novus-ordoleadbeater-the-liberal-catholic-church-and-agostino-taumaturgo

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Thank you for making these threads.

Thoughts on apparitions of Mary? I'm particularly drawn towards the Lourdes one. I find especially compelling and interesting that the apparition identified herself as the immaculate conception rather than as Mary. Part of me believes these apparitions are either Sophia or the Holy Spirit but don't seem bothered by being mistaken as Mary, as Sophia being the feminine aspect of the actual immaculate conception (Jesus) just fits so perfectly to me.

If any skeptics here have a reason for me to lose interest in the apparition or anything to share at all, I'm extremely interested in hearing whatever you'd like to say about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3D8xD9xfTo

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristianOccultism/comments/bo9ej9/dion_fortune_was_a_christian/

do we have any insightful Christian stuff from darkies (beside coptic)?

are there any saints you can appeal to in order to get rid of disorderly gypsies or niggers? saint michael the archangel, with the powers granted to him by the Lord, and acting according to the Lord, does not seem to have any effect...

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https://farrellnick.substack.com/p/magics-paedophile-priest
https://farrellnick.substack.com/p/rudolf-steiner-and-the-dangers-of
https://farrellnick.substack.com/p/fake-rosicrucianism

>>42952158
>>42952170
that ain't no nigger adjacent my nigger, get your shit(posting) together

Best Sedevacantist podcast?

>>42953071
None

>>42942490
Chat what's with this PNG spamming anon who posts 'Christian' spiritual systems that are seemingly contradictory to each other? Is he OP?

>>42953174
Best Sedevacantist book? Or top five, if you can't choose just one?

https://bigmodernism.substack.com/p/sede-picante-the-man-behind-the-muppets

>>42953181
Considering things carefully and separating wheat from chaff hurt brain real bad.

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>>42953418
BORRING!!!! This is why I stick to one or few spiritual teachers, like Michael Martin and Marcel Lefebvre.
>>42953214
Sedevacantism A False Solution to a Real Problem

>>42953621
>Michael Martin and Marcel Lefebvre
Since Mike's not a fan of Trads, this will still entail some careful consideration.

>>42953648
You have to consider the mind of Lefebvre himself and not the neo community that spawned from the SSPX (I'm not implying that the ""neo-sspx"" is a real thing, it's not), "Traditional Catholicism" does not exist, there is only Catholicism. "Trad-Cathism" is truly a dialectical made up by scandalous that inflitrated the church to divide people. I recommend reading Ignotus's articles of the SSPX, and symbolicm of the TLM as the Novus Ordo lacks the fullness of traditions of the Faith due to the spirit of personal change.

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>>42953666
I'm certain you could agree with me

"Now, I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a fan of the SSPX. I really don’t understand them at all. I never did. But I do understand the attraction for true piety, beautiful liturgy, and the preservation of an atmosphere of reverence. That’s what we tried to achieve at home when we held house church during the Covid years—and it was far from a Catholic Mass, Eastern, Western or in between. Part of our service was holding the Eucharist. Some people thought that was rather bold of me. But it was a necessity. Plus, if the Lord is cruel enough to damn me to hell for holding house church, what kind of God am I even praying to?"

- Michael Martin

"In one of my books (maybe Sophia in Exile? I’m too lazy to look it up) I write about celebrating May Day at our farm. In the weeks leading up to the festival, I would have my daughters and my friend’s daughters practice the dances around the pole (it’s not as easy as it looks) so they could lead the proceedings. At one rehearsal, one of the girls was holding back. I later found out that she had told a lady at her SSPX church what we were doing (the girl was very excited about it) and the old bag scolded her, telling her she was participating in a pagan fertility ritual."

- Michael Martin

"For what is an excommunication but a show of power—but what kind of power? The decree claims that marriages and confessions performed in the SSPX are invalid. Though I have friends (and a daughter occasionally) who attend an SSPX parish, I have never been to one, nor do I plan on it. But I couldn’t help but be annoyed by the outright cruelty many American bishops have treated the Latin Mass and those who love it—even outside of the auspices of the SSPX."

- Michael Martin

"As a Byzantine Catholic, I have been admonished I don’t know how many times by my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters who don’t quite seem to think Eastern Rite Catholics are as Catholic as those inscribed into the Latin Rite. Surely, a rite with a married priesthood, without a theology of Purgatory, and that doesn’t include the filioque in the Creed can’t really be Catholic. And the Copts—don’t even get me started on the Copts! They don’t include the words of institution, so how could they have a valid Eucharist? We Byzantines (and our brother Copts) do get points from the SSPX and their ilk for liturgical street cred (to us, even the Tridentine Mass is a modernist innovation), but their understanding of the Eastern Rites, in general, tends to be at best superficial and aesthetic."

- Michael Martin

>>42942490
I made this thread on >>>/it/ that is a very broad criticism of how Nick Land views Kabbalah and his conclusion which he has made on twitter that the English KJBist Protestantism is true or something.
>>>/lit/25520489

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIGAK1kou4c

"The critical history of Herrick’s folk religion embodies all of the problems of the religious nature of his verse. Is it Roman pagan? Nostalgically Catholic? Laudian Anglican? Does Herrick celebrate folk customs in his verse that he observed in his Devonshire parish? Or is he celebrating the Caroline court’s dilettantish and performative appropriation of all things pastoral? The real problem, I think, is in trying to pin Herrick down to a particular faction. His vision of Christianity is bigger than that—but it doesn’t include everyone."

- Michael Martin

------------------------------

"Communitas is, more than obviously, central to Herrick’s religion as well as his poetry. This is why his collection is such a mélange composed of acerbic epigrams, poems celebrating love and fertility, religious verse, poems of self-parody, epithalamion, eulogy, prayer. His collection is a body of work that, by his own admission, represents a 'mixt Religion…. Part Pagan, part Papisticall,' comprised of Laudian Anglicanism, pre-Reformation English Catholicism, folk and fairy traditions, and pagan Rome: these are things that characterize communitas, what Taylor has called a 'multi-speed religion' characteristic of pre-Reformation Catholicism. Communitas is not univocal, but multifarious, messy, teaming with life and variety."

- Michael Martin

"But let me state clearly: I have no intention of leaving. Even though I would liturgically feel very much at home with my Orthodox brethren and have always thought of myself as 42% seventeenth-century Anglican, for better or worse, I intend to bloom where I was planted. Lately, of course, it’s been for worse.

"Nevertheless, the Church, the real Church, may now be for the most part invisible. And probably always was.

"I know many Traditionalists who would reprimand me and relate to me the now tired metaphors of The Church Militant and Triumphant. I don’t need them. I need the Invisible Church, the Church of Peter, Paul, and John, not marred by schism, not afraid of unity, not contaminated by the hypocrisy of a privileged boys’ club."

- Michael Martin

"In my youth, I was friends with a number of Hare Krishnas. Detroit, where I lived, had a sizable Krishna community and quite a number of the Krishna parents enrolled their children in the Waldorf school where I taught, only five or six miles from the temple housed in the old Fisher Mansion on the far east side of the city. The Krishnas were some of the best Christians I’ve ever known."

- Michael Martin

"When I defended my dissertation several years ago, one of my committee members asked me why I chose to examine the lives and writing of some of the subjects of my study, figures deemed 'fringe' by academia and the positivist hegemony from which we all (unconsciously for the most part) suffer. The subjects of my project (since then published as Literature and the Encounter with God in Post-Reformation England) included Elizabethan magus and polymath John Dee, the Catholic/Anglican poet and divine John Donne, the Catholic alchemist and swashbuckler Sir Kenelm Digby, the Metaphysical poet and physician Henry Vaughan and his identical twin the alchemist and Anglican priest Thomas, as well as the Protestant mystic and religious leader Jane Lead. I told my interlocutor that these individuals were by no means 'fringe' during their own cultural moment, but had only been rendered so by what the Marxist critic E.P. Thompson has called 'the enormous condescension of posterity.' Because that is exactly what happened. They weren’t weird to their contemporaries: they’re weird to us. Maybe we’re the weird ones."

- Michael Martin

"Sophiology, as Pabst and Milbank (in his essay 'Sophiology and Theurgy: the New Theological Horizon') have noted, is a part of this alternative Christianity. I would even dare to suggest that Wicca and neo-paganism, at their core, have kept alive many of the folk customs of an alternative Christianity, even though their practitioners would probably disavow such a claim (not to mention the responses of mainstream positivist Christians!). Nevertheless, even a casual read through the Anglican priest Robert Herrick’s massive (and massively delightful) collection Hesperides (1648) is enough to make the case that what we now think of 'pagan' and 'Christian'—even in the reason-fetishizing West—were not always as distanced from one another as we would like to think.

"Certainly, Radical Orthodoxy, as imagined by Milbank, Pabst, and others, speaks to such an alternative Christianity, but so does the thought of Eastern Orthodox theologian and writer David Bentley Hart to a degree. All argue on behalf of a more cosmologically-configured Christianity, a Christianity no longer condescending to folk belief and the possibilities of invisible worlds—the influence of the planets, relics, and prayers; the existence of faerie, angels, and demons—as opposed to the sterile gifts of (post)modernity."

- Michael Martin

"Through much of my subsequent work, I’ve examined other individuals at whom posterity (academic, philosophical, theological) likewise scoffs: Jacob Boehme, John Pordage, Robert Fludd, Rudolf Steiner, Valentin Tomberg, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (the heat I’ve taken over this guy!), even Vladimir Solovyov and Sergius Bulgakov. I’m drawn to these figures because they point to areas of theological, philosophical, and mystical experience ignored, neglected, and, sadly, ridiculed, by a culture inured to the dogmas of the Enlightenment. And this obligation extends to religious subcultures which, sadly, often dance to the Enlightenment tune though they swear they don’t know all the words. But these figures remind us of what we have lost. And that, at the very least, is an important vocation."

- Michael Martin

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s5nkiR2aX0k

How can I know if a saint has chosen/taken interest in me?

>>42954800
Idk man have you tried asking that Saint for help and compare him to other Saints similar to him?

>>42954800
he'll tell you lol
that's why he/she is a saint, isn't it? they would not abandon us

>>42942490

In 2nd century Rome, Pope Pius I’s brother Hermas wrote that he encountered a UFO in a field. It was 100ft long, reminded him of a sea monster, had a head like ceramic, and “spat fiery locusts from its mouth which kicked up dust” like a thruster. It lands be for him and “merely let forth its tongue” as in extended the ramp down to the ground after landing. The UFO has 4 colours on its head, black, red, yellow and white.

Hermas goes passed it and encounters a woman in white, Segri/Thegri, who claims to be sent by God and gives him a prophecy relating to the four colors.

In 901AD, the Lakota people encountered a woman in white who came from a cloud, claimed to be sent by the Great Spirit, and gave them prophecy. She turned into a black, then red, then yellow, then white buffalo.

These women, the four colors and the bovine connections have since appeared in almost every belief system for thousands of years.

https://youtu.be/JkUrVh8knj8
https://youtu.be/LMv1k49sAM0
https://youtu.be/VlRqTgobV3o
https://youtu.be/1Jvr4O7pG9I

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And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there:
and I will give thee tables of stone,
and a law,
and commandments which I have written;
that thou mayest teach them.

And Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua:
and Moses went up into the mount of God.

And Moses went up
into
the mount,
and a cloud covered the mount.

And the glory of the Lord abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days:
and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
And the sight of the glory of the Lord was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.
And Moses went into the midst of the cloud,
and gat him up into the mount:
and Moses was
.

in
.

the mount
forty days
and
forty nights.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClEo0ZeA2Mk

https://irkutskice.substack.com/p/the-official-guide-to-the-esoteric

The gift of Jesus' existence can never be underestimated.

Even if you are a Jew, all volitional, emotional, intellectual, and material considerations either lead you to Jesus or to death.

>>42955188
>>42955423
I am thinking about asking the saint to help me destroy my porn collection and addiction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1mr4iuZgVE

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>>42956519
You need a Saint to tell you watching porn is bad?

>>42956573
No

>>42956519
Homeboy you wanna destroy your collection you destroy it. If its physical you find a place to light a fire or a trash bag to bag and throw it away or use water to destroy paper or just some kind of disk destroyer, and if its digital, just delete and move on. You wanna battle your addiction, you start by just going a day without then two then three and so on and so on. Naturally you'll fail on the process but the intent and the progress is noticeable and verifiable.

You don't need divine intervention to beat your addiction Anon. You need to start your path and realizing your hands can do much more than you expected and your willpower can be greater too. If the saint would help then yknow great but you start yourself man.

>>42956519
>destroy
just carry it off to the woods
many before you did it, continue the tradition

https://collections.library.utoronto.ca/explore/northrop-frye/full-lecture-01

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why is saint sebastian so forgotten anons? i am a classically trained artist so i'm familiar (have also seen gays "adopting" him) but otherwise he has gone into obscurity
he's literally a brother to Saint Pantaleion (Pantaleon or Pantelimon or Pantelimon considering grammar differences) with regards to healing

>>42958177
Unironically because of the disney crab. Crabs were sometimes linked to demons in medieval times

>>42958325
unironically I ask you what disney crab

>>42958350
Sebastian from the Little Mermaid

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>>42958473
lol, thanks, that's insane
>Sebastian from Disney's The Little Mermaid is a red crab with a Jamaican accent who serves as King Triton's royal advisor and court composer. His full name is Horatio Thelonious Ignacious Crustaceous Sebastian
they even managed to involve Saint Ignatius of Loyola lol

but I have no idea how it connects to the astrological sign of cancer, arguably one of the most significant ones (if only for the flood duality opposing the goat boy)

>>42960537
>they even managed to involve Saint Ignatius of Loyola lol
and theolonious monk... that nigga wasn't a mystic like mingus, but wasn't too far off either

What's the /ceg/ take on Jules Verne? He was nominally a Roman Catholic but wanted to literally kill himself before a friend grabbed him by the hand and dragged him to the World Expo in Paris... which made him a visionary tech-brained powerhouse.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x5SWgvNngGQ

>>42960575
Bro I am not watching a youtube short by copying a link from /x/, either download and post it or say what it says

>>42960659
youtube shorts can be viewed as normal youtube if you replace the url
like into
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

not that I'm giving an excuse for that anon, but abusing the elderly ain't cool elither

>>42949204
yay, I was half way through Barzun's "From Dawn to Decadence" (I can't recommend it though, it's a MONSTER of a book, reserve 6 months if you dare slay it) and word came about collects... reminded me of this thread
best of luck to you anon... best of luck to everyone, my brothers and sisters

>>42961088
Thank you for this.

https://www.abbaunveiled.com/blog/9-21-25-imagination-image-station/

>>42963792
The Lord bless you, and keep you, may His face shine upon you, and shower you with grace; may the Lord look upon your work and give you peace

May the Lord be blessed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-yDqDa1OHs

>>42942490
All my life I've identified with the Christian religion but I need advice on dealing with lust. If I'm going to be Christian, I want to be following the commandments. It's just difficult for me to understand why we're in this situation: embodied and full of desires we have to fight. Is it Eve's fault? Is there a demiurge? I just need direction.

>>42964537
Apostolic Christian? Apostolic Christianity? Any traditions?

>>42964537
Wait you're that 'I need a Saint to fight my pornos' guy'

Best book on the theology of time?

>>42965428
While any more knowledgeable anon comes along, may I suggest Being and Time? Heidegger trained as a (Catholic) priest, so even if it's a work of philosophy, it has Christian mercy in there.

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Struggling with insomnia, I went for a walk to get a bottle of wine and have a belated celebration of Rosh Hashanah.
I popped in the latest episode of the Lord of Spirits podcast (it's about Ezra and I'm grateful for such a perfect choice, link: https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspirits/i-remember-running-through-the-wet-grass/ ) and it finally clicked why the Orthodox call themselves Orthodox: it's the best parts of Jewish attitude towards the Bible, blended with the exercise of rationality.

Catholics "jumped ahead," maybe got a bit too enamoured with the thinking faculties, maybe forgot a bit too much about the teachings of the Church Fathers... so it made me incredibly happy that these two fathers, in the radio podcast, show that you can have a casual (yet respectful and informed) discussion about "biblical times" as the best part of your day.

Catholics need this Orthodox love of life (it got a bit lost with all the legalism and codification)... and maybe the Orthodox need the top-down sanctification of work that carried civilization through rough times (not that they lack it, but it got eroded a lot over the centuries).

Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest. Is it esoteric? Not everything esoteric needs to be occult. Thank you for tolerating me, may the Lord have mercy on us all.

>>42965480
Thank you, Anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGXDlSut8E8

>>42951787
bump

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https://thyrathen.substack.com/p/spooked-by-greek-icons-youre-not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZKUExIdpI

>>42942490
Hey anons. A while ago I mentioned that I was going to the TLM for the first time. I got somewhat delayed, but I finally went this Sunday. It was a wonderful experience and I think this will be my new regular mass. I appreciate the fact that it is more inward of an experience and "mystical" (if that's the right word). However, I did wish I knew the prayers in Latin so I wasn't just mumbling along.

>>42970074
You can install the Sanctifica app (you need an email, but it's free to use), tap on "mass of the day" and you have English and Latin parallel. I'm not exactly sure if it's TLM or just Latin mass, but you can probably tell if it matches...

Why do Catholics act like Latin is a particularly spiritual language? Is there a actual practical reason other than repeating "it's the language of the church" like an NPC? English is the current language of the church but Catholics don't care just because its popular and isn't in vogue

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>>42970074
i think pink rel is the "official" one, it was made in the time of Pope Benedict XVI

>>42971105
1. incorrect, the current language of the church is the local language of where the church is situated in

2. i have the option to attend mass in latin, but can't for logistical reasons

3. the latin language isn't a big issue, you can learn the mass and even enough latin to read the bible by going once a week for a few months... the bible readings were repeated in local language even before vatican ii

4. it's not only about latin, as mass in latin is not the same as the traditional latin mass

5. related to the last point, nobody had an issue with traditional latin mass before the previous pope
https://www.ewtnnews.com/vatican/vatican-downplays-leaked-documents-on-latin-mass

>>42971107
Based.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU94bboTIbU

What's next for the Western World?

I can't even blame Protestants anymore
>monasteries were established, for communal life, 500 years after Jesus was crucified
>monasteries were re-formed, 500 years after their initial formation
>reformations (Protestants, Calvinists, and everything that followed) were necessary 500 years after the re-formation of monasteries...
>today (with immigration, Israel issues, LGBT etc.) the 500 years of the protestants, taken as a collective, are up too

I'm not saying that there are no pockets that stand up for their neighbors
>the Irish lads who beat up drug dealing immigrant drivers who threatened their community not only with drugs but also with violence
>>>/pol/542702727
>Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte executing 12000 drug dealers during his tenure (although now he's being tried for "human rights" violations)
...
I'm not saying violence is the answer either ("violence is the question" jokes please)
...
but this is a statistical issue. There is statistically no country decent people can leave for. I'm not even saying "decent Christians."

>>42972246
The worse things get the more extreme the ideologies we choose become and vote for representatives of those ideologies, so depending on where you're from you'll get to live in military dictatorships, soviet style communist states, far right states or a mixture of all three that will crack down on crime and begin implementing morality, think how Bukele is stopping crime in El Salvador, or how China filters out much of western propaganda
The church is weak and i see no strong Pope or new "Protestant Awakening" to influence people and goverments, the government will be influencing the church like how EO churches are connected to their goverments, though in western europe the goverments won't care much for Christianity, so it won't be different from now, the AfD in Germany wants to bring change there, but i have to see them mention Christianity, they just talk about Remigration
This isn't very esoteric but oh well

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2098423588013642105.html

>>42973732
>that will crack down on crime and begin implementing morality
We were beyond that point being (statistically) possible even in Evola's time.

Quite funny that only Mohammed could be described as a "warrior prophet."

>>42973998
Oops, meant morality laws and maybe a morality police, not morality in general

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>>42974417
Even for that all the top IQ non-psychopaths need to hired to be the policemen and the garbage-men, any other situation just make things worse.
Of course the garbage-men are the first line of information for the policemen and they patrol constantly... usually the probable culprits dispose of the trash... or something along those lines.
In a clean street any morality that needs policing will stand out so clearly that it will almost handle the issue by itself.

Yet this is only applicable for big cities...

>>42952110
Moses the Black is one of the superbased desert fathers

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>>42975233
yeah I knew about him... I once researched the question and he was the only one that came up? from what I remember there were a bunch of result for Native Americans? need to sleep on it, maybe will look into the matter tomorrow

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Everyone here should read the sayings of the Desert Fathers

Most /ceg/ tv show?

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>>42975728
>Pic Related

>>42975858
Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmIpMNmpi9c

Is there a tangible, non-meme way to go from being a gay left-leaning occultist to being straight, conservative and traditional? Mostly for my own edification, somewhat out of curiosity, but I need the shift to be permanent.

>>42976344
V. Tomberg helped Michael Martin, Roger Buck (his testimony sounds very much like yours), and Jean Borella. But of course it really does depends WHAT tradition is to you, and what tradition do you perennialy belong.

>>42976985
sounds like your predicament*

>>42975450
Yes. Hopefully most here have.

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https://andersondiscoveries.com/s/what-about/John854/

"As above, so is below
As within, so is without
To do one thing."

Saulė = overarching virtue upon humanity.
Eteris = relative virtue between agents & vice that transmutes into virtue.

Mėnulis = redundancy, neutrality, surrogate activity.

Kraujas-mėnulis = Mėnulis that which consumes the Self-Natūralus of oneself and one's allyship.

Mėnesiena = Mėnulis, specifically that of the essence of surrogate activity, that which can be discerned within, and then purified into that of a true activity, the utilisation of projecting such ills unto one's adversaries for the benefit of oneself and one's allyship, and finally, the brooding redundancy, neutrality and surrogate activity, that which eats at oneself slowly, and that by a naturalistic counterbalance within, germinates a prosperous and visceral renewal of oneself, and/or of similar ilk.

Saturnu = overarching vice upon humanity.
Titanas = relative vice between agents & virtue that transmutes into vice.

In relation to such:

Adam, The Red Man represents that of a man who has fallen from the acknowledgement of a presumed dichotomization of ally/adversary for their oneself, and the closeness/distanceness towards the Self-Naturalus of Azoth, otherwise known as "Ousia" in Eastern Orthodoxy, and subsequently, as the physical image, the Self-Naturalus of himself, whether such Azoth is centric upon himself or not, and rather has fixated upon intellectualism and moralization (and so, such implies then that the dualistic mind is not necessarily of poison), and of such ilk, that is the essence of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, in truth."

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>>42936164
>Paul Foster Case
for any Christian curious about Golden Dawn, I think I would recommend Jason C. Lotterhand's "The Thursday Night Tarot" book, which is a "best of" compilation from Lotterhand's yearly Tarot lectures

Lotterhand was a disciple of Algernon Tassin who personally knew P. F. Case; he was a playwright and established professor specialized in the oral transmission of literature; his textbook (pic rel) reminds me of those compilations of quotes from bygone days.
I found Lotterhand's book via this review https://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/books/cornelius-agrippa/ ; unfortunately I can't hunt down Morgan's "The Tarot of Cornelius Agrippa," if anybody can maybe scan it :3

Back to the subject matter: even if Lotterhand work ain't as smooth as Meditations on the Tarot, it's the least grating Golden Dawn exposition that I've found.

*complete recordings can be found here https://archive.org/details/JasonLotterhandTarotLectures and https://www.taroteveryday.com/
caveat emptor both alternatives seem to have been compiled without utmost attention; if you want a complete hoard of the available material, you need to download "Tarot Recordings Complete Set 1" and "Tarot Recordings Original Series" both (the latter is just a better organized list of Set 2 and Set 3); the archive.org version is an incomplete selection of 78 files from the latter which has 98 files (I verified)


>>42975450
>>42977337
Thank you for reminding us lazy people who didn't yet do so.

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I’m still mad about what they did to my boy.

>>42979830
I read Brague's work on Western Civilization, It's good but i don't agree with some of its points, for example he separates the Byzantine Empire from the west and treats it as its own civilization, and he considers Islamic civilization to be a continuation of Rome as well
To me both Greek East and Latin West are Western, Roman Civilization, and the Islamic World, while influenced by Greece, is its own thing and a continuation of Persia, as the "Islamic Golden Age" was more of a Persian Golden Age, and the Persianate world existed from the Ottoman Balkans to Mughal India

>>42978003
Thank you for this information.

>>42981153
thank you

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Seems like a Jewish person who converted to Orthodox religion now converted to Catholicism.
>>>/pol/thread/542907293/
Posted just for reference, you don't have to visit it (was deleted after an hour), but last post contains link to youtube about Orthodox debating it; he apparently brought many people into Christianity.
I hope he finds peace, no matter if in Orthodox or Catholic form.

>>42982779
Sorry, this was the link
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/542907293/

Thoughts on computer boards functioning because they're solomonic runes?

>>42983017
If it was that fucking easy to bind demons on a basic level to the point of industrial production, then you too could literally scribble shit forever and just lock demons away or mass produce real demonic influence. And you'd also be able to scribble in infinite angelic sigils to counteract it

>>42983017
I know you can easily make that connection due to gold being an important factor to micro-hardware, and gold is as well very important in both reverant-traditional rituals and alchemy, but what about silicone since silicone is the number one important component for microtechnics yet I don't know any occult practice that needs silicone?

Anyone here integrated into the Los Angeles underground? I'm looking for a very specific type of establishment but I don't know where else to ask about it.

Is there a ritual or prayer I can perform to summon my guardian Angel? I’m convinced that they don’t actually do anything of substance or value so I want to commune with mine to see if I’m wrong.

>>42985168
>bro my divine "servant" is lacking does anyone know his phone number so I can ring him up

Are you trying to fuck up on purpose or are you just delulu and thinking you can whine your way through to Heaven like you are fat and black and own the DMV. Do you seriously think you're just going to face app a servant of God for a performance review? What, you gonna hop on Zoom and tell him he's underperforming? Bitch, YOU are underperforming, get your shit straight.

https://tenepod.libsyn.com/unlocked-170-sspv-eyeballs-out-traddies

>>42985168
Yeah man.. there is.. you should cece this path of seeking and run far away from here, go no furthur, it’s not worth the hearing you’ll lose x

I’ll leave that automistaken

>>42985354
I’m already going to hell so I figured I’d just tell the thing to fuck off before I die is that so wrong?

>>42986523
Yeah, its critically wrong to have basically a creature made by God to be pure and to love mankind and to do the great work to fuck off in general. It's pretty fucked to have it where you decide to openly give up. It's even more fucked up to try to do rites to then loudly announce you give up and are eternally distancing yourself from God, goodness, hope, kindness and more. Like come the fuck on dude, are you even listening to yourself, the Angel ain't doing shit to worsen your life, that's your responsability.

Shape the fuck up and stop forsaking the endless love and patience and opportunity to be better you little cuckold. Calling up the angel to say he's fucking up, what a clown act you're putting up.

Niggas be asking "what saint for (x)" like saints are magic crystals

>>42987018
The Greco-Biblical underpinnings of this picrel: juxtapose the anthropomorphic references to the revealed God of the Bible with the notion of God as construed by the pure rationality of the Greek philosophers.

Careful consideration should be given to how the great Christian theologians blended these sources.

The Biblical God and the Greek God: we can trace the gamut of Biblical references pertaining to an anthropomorphic God with Form, and engage scholarship uncovering how Christians (and Jews) of the first two centuries naturally conceived of God as embodied.

We can then engage the logic of especially Platonic and Aristotelian theories about the Supreme Being behind the perceived universe, culminating in the Formless God of "the Philosophers" as construed by pure rationalism. We can underscore how the philosophers only engaged a notion of material Form in evaluating the possibility of God possessing Form.

This can the stage for investigating central theme of this picrel: the Greek inherited genealogy of the presupposition that Form necessarily entails materiality.

The Great Christian Scholastics theologized about Form. They responded to the bodily references found in the Bible, using the works of the early church fathers (Clement, Origen, and others, building on earlier Jewish hermeneutics by Philo), setting out to give philosophical dignity to Christianity in the Greek intellectual milieus of their time.

The later scholastics (Aquinas, especially, Augustine, and others), Christianized the Platonic and Aristotelian notions of God, and superimposed the God of the "philosophers" onto the Biblical God.

All theologized resistance to the notion of God, a perfect Being, having a Form, assumes all Form to be material and therefore subject to the imperfections of materiality (divisibility, limitation, etc.).

>>42987104
In English now

>>42987151
Greeks pagan ideas are projected onto the Bible giving us an anti-Biblical vision of God.

>>42987211
Are you saying icon use is antibiblical or iconoclasm is antibiblical?

>>42987226
God has form.

>>42987241
Deflective reply but ok

>>42987295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL1-nZqjbv4

>>42986517
My hearing is already bad and I have nothing to lose

How do I find out who my guardian angel is? I want to thank them for everything they're doing for me and see if we can get into more of a working relationship.

>>42987385
>Idolatry has never existed in any culture in history

All rules are written in blood. I think there's a distinction to be made between actual theological veneration vs a folksy type of superstition that Catholics and Orthodox simply don't seem to care to make, and forcing that distinction would possibly render whatever they call "veneration" somewhat of its power or utility. I'm not sure the analogy he uses about a protestant being moved to prayer by a depiction of Jesus in a movie is what common icon venerators feel they're doing, I think they'd be more likely to believe there's something more to veneration that, and the whole apologetic that it's "like asking a friend to pray for you" in many cases is more like window dressing to make protestants feel comfortable.

>>42988343
>would possibly render
Rob* not render
>more to veneration that,
Than that*

My point being basically that that utility of icon veneration within the Catholic and Orthodox Church seems poorly explained when you compare its common practices vs heady apologetic explanations of it one can read online, because widespread superstitious or even magical use of icons is downplayed rather than addressed.

Christianity has the word Antichrist in it

>>42988343
In the nicest ways possible, protestants should first remove the stick out of their ass hole before they start to say much of anything about pretty much anything really. Nobody short of a retarded auntie is actually venerating the icon itself in a developed world, and it takes some 3rd world indian level retardation or just being old stubborn and uneducated to pray to an icon rather than the entity it represents.

>>42990607
The fact it exists as a rule demonstrates that people do it with some regularity

I think there's a faculty in human nature to want to venerate things we can touch and see rather than to contemplate the nature of spirit.

>>42990916
You'll have noticed I did not contradict you. I said the protestants need to pull the stick out of their ass hole about pretty much anything because protestantism and most catholicist isn't indeed prolific in places with 3rd world indian tier education or with a majority of stubborn uneducated dumbasses, but yknow, India has a lot of moron retards indeed who would be dirt munching morons and give worship to an object.

Its a good rule to have as a baseline deterrent to stupidity, but Protestants are all too quick to themselves become morons and think most any decoration as idolatry alongside people like the uneducated Muslim masses who cannot handle the existence of a statue. I don't believe there's a faculty to inherently be too stupid to understand a baseline of God, and it's good to have explicit rules, but sometimes mothefuckers are too dumb to understand what an idol even is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztB8US_3xms

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Illustrative symbolism is scholastic nonsense. Symbols are meant to manifest and communicate an invisible reality, not illustrate with something "real" that which is implied to be "unreal."
Accordingly, it's only idolatry when you hold something as higher than God and then try to manifest it with a physical form. Look at the three youths in the fiery furnace story. The golden idol was bad precisely because it was meant to be venerated as a superior alternative to God. It wasn't bad because it was a statue or an image of something. In other words it's what the symbol intended to manifest, not what it illustrated that was the problem.
This also means there is a great amount of idolatry in our present age, always coming from something that is seen as more important than God, such as:
>money
>entertainment
>holocaust
>modern values
>new age
>the outward form of Christianity without understanding the inner content of the faith (yes, even the Church itself can be idolatrous when it mistakes cultural norms for authentic faith!)
Of course it's still possible and perhaps likely that low-IQ people will jump to venerating a physical statue as the literal dwelling of God, but educated ancient pagans laughed at such an idea.

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>>42992675
that anon needs to upgrade his/her cheap USGS Rider Waite deck
I've seen pic rel going for only 10-15% more expensive as that abhorrent deck... and it has all the decent colors (no eye-searing yellows or incorrect blues)
the only alternatives to pic rel, if you must have only one, would be
1. an older RWS deck (any german/swiss printing from before 2010, or the "giant" USGS)
2. Centennial Rider Waite (USGS, 2009), which unfortunately has risen in price, and declined in quality, over the years
3. Universal Waite, which has softer pencil-shaded tones and is probably the only acceptable version apart from the original (Radiant Rider-Waite is of a similar philosophy, but if you put them side-by-side, they are light-years apart)
4. any original printing (regardless of variant), of course, if you have the money

I have read Hans Urs von Balthasar's angry remarks about the Rider Waite, at the end of Meditations on the Tarot, and I appreciate the insights... yet after growing familiar with the matters that upset the almost-cardinal (may he rest in peace), I can say that the gypsy graphic arts of Pamela Smith are an actual, Catholic, artistic act worthy of appreciation

Of course one needs to study the origins of "educational playing cards" in Italy, and maybe read P. M. Adams' "The Game of Saturn" (Ferrara basically invested all their wealth on a gamble to prove to Venice they care about art) but even so the glue holds.

Anyway, sorry for boring you, I'm sure you understand.

>>42992526
>but educated ancient pagans laughed at such an idea.
So basically nobody?

>>42993843
Correct. Neoplatonism, for example, was not widely held. It was a niche movement when compared to the quantity of the pagan masses.
Still, the predicament of the neoplatonists and early Christians when confronted with the masses was better than what we face today.
Superstitious folk religion is still preferable to reductive materialism, atheism, and secularism. The former can accept truth much more easily than the latter who think they know everything already.

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>Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast* was now already past, Paul admonished them,
>And said unto them, Sirs, I perceive that this voyage will be with hurt and much damage, not only of the lading and ship, but also of our lives.
>Nevertheless the centurion believed the master and the owner of the ship, more than those things which were spoken by Paul.
-- Acts 27:9-11 (KJV)

* "the fast" refers to Yom Kippur, which this year ended yesterday

I just learned the name Stacy means resurrection and it comes from the old name Anastasia

I had no idea such a ditzy name would have such elegant and traditional roots

>>42987018
Man is an talisman of God

>>42985168
Borneless ritual
>I’m convinced that they don’t actually do anything of substance or value so I want to commune with mine to see if I’m wrong.
You have a completely wrong idea of what the guardian angel is, so do some research or it is pointless. The best ritual for that is the journey of life and the spiritual path, sorry mate but this one is a marathon, do your daily spiritual practices and reflect on the lessons life gives you and you’ll get more closer to getting there

Is there any connection between Hermanubis and Saint Christopher? Aside from the obvious ones like the dog-head and ferrying people

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bump

Is Sede Picante pro-Israel/philosemitic?

>>42971105
Latin and Greek have special spiritual power, this is known by anyone whose mind isn't poisoned by the Enlightenment.

>>42985168
Your Angel can't do anything if you let him atrophy through neglect, retard.

>>42975450
>Poemen said: to be on guard, to meditate within and to judge with discernment: these are the three works of the soul.

I've just been in the nobody I didn't know there was a whole general for this

Amazing

>>43002065
What's that mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij42Tq1gv4U

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Is it a bad thing to wish to be spirited away?

After reading through, this thread has been disappointing. It is a mere placeholder for passion and discussion, filled with deluded people who ego based and wish to be "well read".

I think it is time for something truly meaningful. This thread put me to sleep.

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>>43008460
It gets good sometimes here, but most of the time it is either Protestants larping as apostolics Christians (with their nonspecific-rite rituals lol) while not doing the thing that apostolic Christians do which is to give to their [Church] community, or Atheist pretending to be Christians. All of whom have the problem that they don't know epistemological, theory, philosophical works, in a way they don't know what they're talking about or what they actually believe & are doing.
If you want a place that actually engages in any sort of Christian intellectualism make a thread on >>>/lit/ or find a Catholic thread there.

>>42942490
You know, I was about to assign the red horseman to fire and Leo, while assigning the black horseman to earth and Taurus, but then I saw that the order of cherubic faces mentioned in revelations went in Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and then Scorpio (lion, bull, man, and eagle) so it seems that

- horseman of conquest is Leo, gospel of Mark, South direction, fire. Because Leo conquers, is most associated with Rome
- red horseman is Taurus, earth, north, gospel of Luke. It seems that earth would most obviously correspond to the horse of famine, but Taurus is stability and the red horseman brings instability. Greeks.
- black horseman is man, Aquarius, air, east, gospel of Matthew. I think this could make a lot of sense when you consider Aquarius’ saturnine nature, and the focus on social justice and the poor with the gospel of Matthew. The poor are the most often impacted victims of starvation, man toils and works for his bread but often this work is in vain, farming is a very human thing, there is a streak of unfairness and exploitation here. Jewish audience.
>which is leaves death/pale horseman as Scorpio, water, west, gospel of John

>>43008541
Please, don't go to lit. Go to his. We have enough religious trolls.

https://druidstaresback.substack.com/p/the-christopherian-imagination

https://tenepod.libsyn.com/173-the-f-files-ii-demonic-ufos-at-the-most-jersey-family-monastery-teaser

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>>42942490
Do I need to be baptized to go to heaven? Some in my family say if I die right now that I will go to hell (or most likely go to hell) since I'm not baptized nor have my sacraments.

>>43011146
you can try

Sources that explicitly say that Solomon could control demons to do his bidding:
>Testament of Solomon
>Nag Hammadi
>Josephus
>Babylonian Talmud
>Quran
>Key of Solomon
So why was this just completely left out from the canonical Bible? Such an omission is a pretty big fucking deal, so it was obviously intentionally done.