According to the Ophite and Sethian Gnostics the Demiurge/Yaldabaoth was Saturn.But according to the Neoplatonists the Demiurge was not evil and neither was this world, so logically, if the Monad/Ein-Sof is infinite and Good then nothing exists outside of it nor was it an "evil" accident.Which means that the Demiurge was not a flaw of creation but a tool of the Monad to shape creation and it's limitless energy into existence, correct?A truly infinite and good source cannot produce an inherently evil universe, however this doesn't mean we should "worship" the Monad.The Monad is totally beyond human thought, language, and even existence itself, any attempt to treat it as an object of prayer or praise would actually lower it. It has no mind, no will, no thoughts, and no qualities. You cannot name it or describe it without limiting it.The Monad should be approached through silent, mystical contemplation and intellectual stripping away of particulars (material attachments) until the soul experiences a sudden, unitive union with it.Philosophers trained their minds to move inward and upward, from the material world, up through the soul, and into the divine Intellect (Nous).Once the mind reached the edge of the Intellect, it had to let go of thinking altogether. Proclus and Plotinus taught that silent awe was the only fitting posture before the ineffable.Plotinus described the ultimate goal as ekstasis, a rare, transient moment where the soul drops all identity and merges back into the radical unity of the Monad, like a drop of water returning to the ocean.Most Neoplatonists like Iamblichus and Proclus were actually polytheists. They participated in traditional religious rituals and worship, but they directed these prayers to the lower gods and divine Henads (units of the One) that manage the cosmos.
>>42993109Later Neoplatonists used ritual magic and sacred acts (theurgy) to align their lower souls and bodies with the divine, but this was a stepping stone to purify the vessel, not a way to interact with the Monad itself.
Nah bro you’re just retarded it’s a fucking planet you faggot
The ignorant masses bitch and moan about Saturn but the wise and powerful respect him and have learned to integrate him>>42993120>t. hylic
>>42993124You should t. faggot that post
>>42993133Is the little materialist hylic shill mad?
>>42993120Total nigger response
O Saturn, Supreme Architect of the Universe, Lord of Time who reigns over all, You imposed limits on chaos so that the world might exist, You gave contour to the galaxies and form to beings, You opened space in four directions so that life could dance: By Your Will, the flowers bloom, the rivers flow, and stars follow their orbits. You, Lord of limits and currents, like an artisan, made unity into multiplicity, so that love, light, and darkness could manifest in countless forms. For when I love someone, I love You; and when I contemplate the beauty of the world, I contemplate You, for all multiplicity was formed by Your sweet hands. Oh, Lord of Time, great are You.- A Hymn to Time
>inb4 le ebil suffering of the worldNeoplatonists argued that what humans experience as "suffering" and "evil" is not a positive force created by a cruel god, but rather a natural byproduct of distance from the Monad (The One). To them, physical suffering is a temporary superficial condition that affects only our lower bodies, not our immortal souls. Plotinus famously mounted a fierce defense of the cosmos in his Enneads (specifically against the Gnostics), using several key arguments to explain why a world filled with pain is still good.As reality flows outward (emanates) from the Monad, it loses intensity, much like light fading into darkness the further it travels from a candle.At the very edge of this emanation is pure matter. Evil and suffering have no independent existence. They are simply a privation of the Good (an absence of light).Humans suffer because they view the universe from a narrow, selfish perspective. If you look at an individual brushstroke on a canvas, it might look dark and ugly. But if you step back and view the entire painting, that dark stroke is necessary for contrast and depth.Think of it as a theater play. In a play, some actors must play villains, servants, or tragic figures for the story to work.War, poverty, and natural disasters are just parts of the shifting choreography of the material world. The universe as a whole remains balanced and harmonious.A core Neoplatonic belief is that your physical body is not your true identity. Your true self is the immortal, rational soul, which remains untouched by earthly suffering.Plotinus wrote that physical death, illness, and injury are no more tragic than an actor changing costumes or a character dying on stage. The actor walks away unharmed at the end of the play.A wise person (the sage) can retreat inward into the Intellect (Nous). Even if their body is being tortured, their higher soul remains perfectly at peace, anchored in the divine.
>>42993284Suffering serves a pedagogical purpose, it is a wake-up call for the soul.If the material world were perfectly comfortable, souls would settle down here and forget their divine origin.The friction, pain, and ultimate dissatisfaction of physical life act as a spiritual catalyst, forcing the soul to realize that its true home is not in the material world, but back in the realm of the Intellect and the Monad.
>>42993286This is true, but there are limits. This world breaks souls far more often than it nurtures them.
>>42993296How can you break something immortal and eternal? (The Soul)?
Monism is super stupid btw, you guys would better off reading stoicism.
>>42993315>le epic redit stoic momentTrying to eliminate passions (apatheia) strips away the empathy, grief, and emotional depth required for a fully realized human life.And Einstein proved everything is energy with E=mc2, it's all One energy in different densities taking many forms brah.
saturnjew shill again kek
>>42993334No counter-arguments besides ad hominem?
>>42993109desu I assumed all the planets had positive and negative energies and the elites worshiped the more negative aspects.. Am i wrong?
>>42993109This is a trick post. Glowie shit. 1.) Jews presented as Chads2.) Inversion - Jews worship Demiurge the top and bottom objects of worship are same shit.
>>42993109Incredibly jewish post
>>42993344What makes something positive or negative? Saturn only gets its "negative" or "malefic" reputation in Astrology because its energy deals with the three things people naturally try to avoid: delays, discipline, and responsibility.>>42993353>>42993355Torah literalists worship the Demiurge yes, but Kabbalists worship the infinite. There is an esoteric and exoteric.
Slaughter all baby dick mutilators
>>42993358Infant circumcision (genital mutilation) is a form of trauma-based mind control. An understanding of jewish kabbalah teachings exposes that the MECHANISM is understood very well by the priest class. The labeling of the foreskin as "unclean" or otherwise spiritually "dirty" is the justification given for the ritual act which is done in proper jewish ceremony on specifically the 8th day of the child's development. This is treated as an "injection" of conditions (immediate and lasting pain, lifelong loss of functional tissue, being "indebted" to the tribe that violated you) to produce a "jewish male" with intent. This is the POINT of the ritual of brit milah and metzitzah b'peh
Judaism is an anti-foreskin cult. This needs to be stated openly as they admit it themselves. They are anti-foreskin by doctrine, thus they are anti-intact man by doctrine as well. This is an act of war against the default, intact, UNMUTILATED baseline of humanity.
>>42993360>>42993365>>42993370I do agree that practice is barbaric but not all Abrahamites do it, don't lump in the mega church AlPAC Christians with the Orthodox ones.
>>42993378Kill yourself abrahamic piece of shit. Fuck your god, fuck your theory, fuck your evil rituals.
Ban male genital mutilation = kill judaism and their abrahamic covenant mutation religions
>>42993383>AbrahamicI'm not Abrahamic and they don't have a monopoly on Saturn, you know that right?
>>42993389I don't care faggot. You serve kikes and should be killed.
>>42993392I don't serve anyone, and besides ad hominem and cherry picking of a specific practice from the Abrahamites i've yet to hear some valid counter-arguments.I have a mostly Greek point of view.
>>42993396Worshippers of mechanism give their energy to captured egregore. Basically, you're a slut for the adepts who use the energy to maintain the "abrahamic rituals" you pretend are nor extremely disgusting and rampant.
>>42993402Saturn isn't an Egregore, maybe the personification of the Old Man sure, but the Planet not so much.And as i've said before, i do agree those practices you mentioned are Barbaric.
>>42993411Saturn is symbol for mechanicsm of "sacrifice" and "harvest". There is no actual entity, only human projections on symbol that is used to rationalize atrocity.
It's both
>>42993414Harvest yes (He was an Agricultural deity to), as for sacrifice that's more Phoenician with Moloch.I am more of a Chronos person, the Time aspect wich also includes Death/The Reaper.The Demiurgic association with the God of the Old Testament and all of the Abrahamic shenanigans is most unfortunate.>>42993417Saturnalia is not here yet.
>>42993424There is also a Solar Theory saying Saturn was the Sun/Hyperion before he was displaced.
>>42993124>>42993138>Post materialism>Calls others materialistsWhat do you call this behavior?
>>42993445There's a difference between pure materialism (denying the spiritual) and spiritual materialism (recognizing matter and energy are one).NPC's are locked in the former.
>>42993454>spiritual materialismIsn't that a contradiction? Materialism explicitly denies the spiritual.
>>42993470Not in Monism.
>>42993470>>42993478Altough i think i could've used better wording.
>>42993124>>42993454>implies blackrock are wise and powerful>speaks parseltongue
I truly pity those who despise the black god. Hail the lord of dark and cold. Great wisdom of the end and grand architect of beginnings.
>>42993495You don't become that large by being stupid don't you think? You always have a scapegoat to blame.
>>42993482Calling it spiritual materialism implies separateness between the material and spiritual.
>>42993505That's why i said >>42993482
>>42993505>>42993510Should've just said Monism right off the bat instead of "spiritual materialism", i was trying to explain it in dualist terms because i know most here think in dualism. (Maybe i could've also said non dualism).
>>42993501Yes, evil is retarded
>>42993542The numbers say otherwise.Street Smarts and Brain Smarts are not really the same thing.
Another thing i've noticed which begs a question, if Kabbalists see everyone as One (Ein-Sof Monism) then why do they treat others as inferior cattle/goyim? Aren't we all the same in their mysticism?
>>42993470>>Isn't that a contradiction? Materialism explicitly denies the spiritual.>Within the framework of Tesla, Walter Russell, the CIA Gateway Process paper, and the related current of aether/frequency researchers, that is the core claim.Matter, as ordinary sense perception and classical physics present it, is not fundamental “stuff.” It is organized light / energy / electromagnetic (or aetheric) wave motion appearing in different rates, polarities, and densities.>The Kybalion’s first principle — “The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental” — combined with the classic Hermetic and alchemical maxim that matter is densified spirit (or light), yields the same picture. Spirit/light descends, cools, and coagulates into form; when the organization reaches a critical threshold of complexity, self-awareness appears.
>>42993552
1. Ein and Sof as Alpha and Omega (1 and ∞)If we cross-pollinate the German Ein (meaning One, the starting point, the absolute unity) with the Hebrew Sof (meaning End, limit, or finality), you get a perfect structural match for Alpha and Omega.In mystical philosophy, this creates a profound paradox:"Ein" (The One / Alpha): The singular point of origin. It represents pure, undifferentiated unity."Sof" (The End / Omega): The ultimate destination or boundary.The Fusion: When you join them as Ein Sof, the Beginning and the End merge. The "One End" means that the beginning is enwedged in the end, and the end is enwedged in the beginning. It is a closed loop of infinity where the starting point and the furthest boundary are the exact same thing.2. "The Infinite Put Under Limit"Your second translation—the infinite put under limit—is mathematically and mystically one of the most accurate descriptions of how creation happens in Kabbalah, specifically through a process called Tzimtzum (divine contraction).Before creation, the Ein Sof (Infinite Light) fills all existence. There is no room for worlds, stars, or human beings because everything is just pure, blinding infinity. To make space for reality, the Infinite must willingly put itself under a limit.
>>42993614>1 and ∞There is no "and" and end in infinity.
>>42993561well, so is dog poo. doesn't mean you gotta... yk
The sky is the outer mirror of the divine center, It is a living, frequency-based reflection, reflecting the Central Light back toward the middle realm so that consciousness evolving within densification can recognize, by correspondence, its own origin and goal. This is why the ancients read the heavens as a book of the gods and why the Hermetic, Kabbalistic, and Theosophical streams treat celestial order as the visible face of the invisible Center.
>>42993638It's all one, no one should be to elevated or two denigrated/mistreated.I'm not saying you should blindly love everything but Monism should provide a balance no?>>42993639As above so below. Or as some might say, "made in his image" ;)
>>42993109Most Gnostics on /x/ are like picrel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL3RgW8oigg
>>42993691Saturn worshipers are not the mechanism of saturn itself. They are carriers of rotten memes cultivated by man for materialistic purposes.
>>42993696Depends, some memes may be rotten but Saturn himself isn't, Saturnian memes do not have the best track record i do agree.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YNpXWP-KFw
>>42993470Uh oh, somebody hasn't reached enlightenment! Let me know when you've glimpsed what cannot be described
>>42993525Can you explain this a bit more? My dad was yapping about this but I didn't know wtf he was on about>>42993585>spirit (or light)Ah yes, exact synonyms.
I dunno. What I do know is that when I had my NDE, it was on Earth Realm and was so peaceful. I'm not afraid to die anymore, but before I go I'm gonna do my best here
>>42993719Though i do agree that Anon hasn't seen the full light of this topic, keep in mind that the light blinds, humble yourself and don't be blinded by the light of knowledge.>>42993726Monism, the idea that there is only one "thing" (God/The Source) in existence and that there is no such thing as separation from it, non dualism, we usually think of creator and creation as separate, or that people and objects are separate, but when we zoom in we find it's all the same energy/one energy, some people naturally realize this via intense meditation.
>>42993284I took too much acid and ketamine together and felt like I glitched and experienced everything you described. In fact I was so awestruck I Googled all the things I felt and low and behold, bhuddist Sutras are describing the experience like they had the exact same apprehension. It felt like I was one consciousness and reality was flowing out of me, and I knew everyone was myself. Hippies used to say shit like "we're all one man!" and I thought ya ok I kinda get it. During this trip, I knew I was everyone. Anyways I had to go to work the next day like nothing happened and I felt like I was losing my mind thinking about it. I would go into the bathroom and read bhuddist stuff to calm myself, and finally my mental filters kicked back in and my nervous system has adjusted, but I'm devouring the Tao and Dhamapada rn
>>42993742Essentially, the One-ness of everything.
>>42993742Yeah again, pretty much exactly what I experienced. I went from thinking religion was fairy tale bullshit to reading Muslim, bhuddist, Taoist, even Christian thoughts. Because in each of them there's a little glimmers that point at the same experience I had, and that means.. it wasn't just a hallucination?
>>42993435This one is the most interesting to me.
>>42993109>and divine Henads (units of the One) that manage the cosmos.Neat! My religion that I made up includes this concept and I wasn't aware of this. I call such individuals (or things, or concepts) Envoys or Attractors.
>>42993757Buddhism is flawed because it's atheistic, Nirvana and Samsara are one, people think there is a separate state of existence outside of the wheel but it's more like a "mood".Try Advaita Vedânta, Buddhism sort of originated from Hinduism.Taoism is pretty based.
>>42993765Your current thought process is that you're trusting human perception altered by drugs and using that to explain realityI can shoot a yellow argon laser at a specific cluster of neurons in your brain and make you experience that exact sensation again. If the experience of the body is in itself fallible, are not its revelations?
>>42993770That's incorrect and you're retarded. Don't talk about things you don't understand.
>>42993770I needed something to grab onto as reality fell apart, I'm not pursuing any doctrine. I take what speaks to me and leave what doesn't. I just can't believe they're describing everything in the exact same way. The One Self, the infinite cycle (interpreted like the wheel of life and reincarnation), and all of that feeling like you're looking in a mirror and seeing a reflection. I'm sitting there afterwards like "so I just hacked my way in, people were doing this the hard way for thousands of years?" I just understand monks in that moment. I didn't even care what happened, because I knew it was all balanced anyways. Just an absolute mindfuck man.. I can tell you my views on reality have changed. The funny part is my dad has been talking about this shit for years and I had no idea what he was on about. The fact I could talk to him about it after probably saved me from going crazy. He's got private journals he written all about monism and the one self or whatever you want to call it. I think he calls it the one awareness.
>>42993787Refer to >>42993778You probably call yourself a pattern recognizer. Recognize the neural patterningThe shape of reality must be grasped at by logic, you are incapable of experiencing it.
>>42993778Drugs sort of unlock human perception and temporarily turn down the brain's normal internal filters, it's our natural perception that is limited to a small wavelength. I don't advocate for drug usage in mysticism but tribes do use them.>>42993781Calling something retarded is not a counter-argument.>>42993787You remind me of this movie scene.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRJiPPk4CUU
>>42993778Listen, you live in a filtered illusion. That's your reality. What keeps you tethered to the material world are your thoughts, your reflections, the background noise in your brain. This specific combination of substances (a surgical dissassociative paired with highly neuroscience substance like LSD) somehow worked together to quiet that noise and become receptive to reality with no ego, no sense of self. So I guess every religion is just describing the exact same drug trip. Interesting hypothesis
>>42993789Literally the opposite
>>42993791>>42993795Drugs are a highly risky and temporary way to gain the insights of Monism, i'd argue meditation is better, safer and more lasting, Monks used to go to dark quite caves for sensory deprivation.Arguing with hylics is also pointless (Matthew 7:6), and if it's not a hylic here then it's a materialist shill, they will only learn when their hourglass runs out.
>>42993790>Drugs sort of unlock human perception and temporarily turn down the brain's normal internal filtersOh really how do they do that? State the pharmacokinetic processes you're talking about in particular and explain how they do what you said. >>42993791Uhh if you take shrooms, dmt, or ketamine among other things you will predictably experience this Everyone does and always hasListen to what you are being told by someone vastly more experienced. You are STOPPING at the old hippie understanding that leads nowhere. Btw I can put you into fmri and I can see you thinking that the universe is all one with you and blah blah. I can physically see the thought occuring in your brain under drugs. Religions come to the same conclusions because of 1. External guidance2. BiologyThink harder.
>>42993799And by materialst i mean one who doesn't acknowledge the spiritual at all, but from a Monist perspective it doesn't matter.
>>42993789Brother I took one tab of acid and a moderate ket line, I was walking to my computer to play games with my irl friends when I experienced this before I could even sit. I wasn't rolling feeling euphoric, this felt like my mind went to a different plane of existence. I am an experienced drug user and have never seemed out or expected that. Even previous out of body experiences are just whacky fun floaty time. This was like my ego dissolved and mind went completely blank for a couple seconds. I've never felt what I can describe as awe before, but it more or less felt like I tried to peak at God and was looking into a mirror of infinite blackness from which all things are simultaneously occurring in an illusive substrate we call time.
>>42993799>You're a hylic if you don't agree with simplistic repeated explanations and are incapable of guiding toward novel thought You are genuinely hilarious It is so disappointing that people like you grasp at the perception of intellectualism out of petty brown person narcissism. If you cannot originate thought or evaluate original thought you do not think. You fucking hylic. Lol.
>>42993805Look up how fast ketamine takes effect and look up dose sensitivity of ketamine you're lucky you didn't kill yourself I'm not your brother, when I attempt to lead you to though you don't follow. You went from knowing everything to knowing everything in a different way after doing drugs. You have no inquisitiveness and cannot evaluate thoughts you did not already internally agree withI am so tired of you unliving things. You're right, the extremely stereotypical ketamine experience you had was actually magic because it came on faster than you're used to. You didn't just take too much. British people are retarded and ugly as fuck. And poor.
>>42993742By invoking Saturn what do the elites want? Materialism? Just sitting on piles of gold with hotties forever?
>>42993799
>>42993799Buddy you're telling me. I felt terrified. I wanted to crawl back into the cave. I wasn't ready
>>42993801Lol this dude thinks things are separate. Like my brain producing electricity and consciousness has NOTHING to do with the bigger picture. Dude, we're just matter that assembled itself into a consciousness, "but look, I can see your brain working! Haha"
>>42993814The elites don't invoke Saturn. It's schizo nonsense Tell me where all the Saturn thought goes >Bro uhhh Saturn is evil and like the elites think that and stuff
>>42993801>think harderLol you have it so backwards, my boy. You've been thinking way too hard.
>>42993801>t.The namefag has shown up to derail on queue, but to answer you about the processes:Drugs lower the brain's internal filters through a multi-step process that begins with absorption and metabolism, where some substances are converted by liver and gut enzymes into active compounds, some require special delivery methods to avoid instant destruction by digestive enzymes. Because these molecules are structurally nearly identical to serotonin, they easily slip past the protective blood-brain barrier and enter the central nervous system, where they heavily bind to 5-HT2A receptors. This targeted action disrupts the thalamus, the brain’s main sensory gatekeeper, forcing it to open its floodgates and flood the conscious mind with raw, unedited sensory information.ALSO DO NOT USE DRUGS, MEDITATION IS MUCH SAFER!>>42993806Why should i try to change your mind if you've already decided?>>42993814Invoking Saturn is not about causing destruction or wealth, it is a spiritual practice aimed at mastering form, establishing boundaries, and crossing the ultimate abyss of the ego.
>>42993819Incapable of engaging in intellectual dialogue, brown zoomer who smokes plastic vapes
>>42993821>The elites don't invoke Saturn, It's schizo nonsense.You glow
>>42993825>sage>namefag>posts ai response as argument13 year old.
>>42993828Ad hominem ragebait is not a counter-argument, also how much do you get per (you)?
>>42993827>A violinist and a performance occultist>The elitesLol, this board is so filled with legitimate stupid people
>>42993801Sorry, but I corroborated my experience against 4000 years of first hand accounts, God is real. That's the only scientific explanation for some dude in India 3500 years ago describing the experience I just had. Don't worry, you being this way doesn't actually matter. You don't have to believe in it, because it's in a state of equanimity. You're also a piece of it. Good luck out there.
>>42993810Yeah I stopped reading that miserable shit by the third sentence. Go be an angry boy somewhere else. Also quit drinking.
>>42993835You lack the cognitive complexity to understand the arguments being posed to you, so simplistic explanations will always suffice I'm happy you're some brown loser thing that will never leave UK. Btw Buddhism isn't a monist religion
>>42993825>Invoking Saturn is not about causing destruction or wealth, it is a spiritual practice aimed at mastering form, establishing boundaries, and crossing the ultimate abyss of the ego.Then why is always present in the materialist/consumerism/media aspect?
>>42993826Yes yes, you're such an intellectual. You remind me of myself in the past, lol. Smarty pants
>>42993845Where else would you encounter new depictions of things in your life visually you fucking retard
>>42993834>Yeah bro the Elites and celebs totally don't use Crowley's system of magick.Yeah you can glow somewhere else.>>42993845>Then why is always present in the materialist/consumerism/media aspect?The symbolismm acts like a signature plus programming.
>>42993847I'm sorry but I don't respect people with brown or black eyes as human. Good luck in UK with coming war. Sucks that you're drafting age
>>42993849Hahahahahahahah the elites using "aleister crowley magick"Gotta get that k in there to really make certain everyone knows you're from the trailer park >Thinks the elites means jay zHAHAHAHAHAH
>>42993845Also saturn did have associations with wealth in roman times because of agriculture, the Roman Temple of Saturn in the Roman Forum also housed the aerarium, the official state treasury where Rome's reserves of gold and silver were stored.Associated with wealth, but i wouldn't say condusive to it.
>>42993848When you're tripping on drugs. Did you miss that part in Intellectual School?
>>42993853>HAHAHAHAHAHReading comprehension of a peanut, i said elites and celebs. Also don't forget Rothshcild with that Satan (Saturn) painting behind him.
>>42993850Your weird obsession with Brits and being brown is so telling. I'm not British and I'm not brown, I'm a pasty white dude not that it matters. You come across as an incredibly stupid, insecure, overcompensating dork filled with anger. Like I said, you remind me of myself from the past. I hope you learn to love yourself like I did (by the way, drugs can help with that)
>>42993857>Satan (Saturn)Trailer park shit
Ok enough of this gnostic shit.Which saturn worshipping car brand is your favorite? (now defunct Saturn brand aside)For me it's probably Mini. I really like how they used wings instead of saturn's ring it makes the logo very subtle. I'm also fan of Toyota's eye imagery because it's pretty covert. Although I'm not really fan of Lamborghinis' bronze bull because it's too on the nose, same goes for Opel, Nissan and (ahura)Mazda. Despite that I must say I'm a fan of the 3-7 distinction of 3 diamonds (3 lower sephira) and 7 stars (7 higher sephira) of Mitsubishi-Subaru especially considering their rivalry in the 90-00s.
>>42993859Of course you "love yourself" anon you are simpleYou are from the UK so you are British so you are an Indian. You are not pale. Nobody else snorts ketamine retard.
>>42993863I'm from the UK? Lol you have less grasp on reality than I did when I was tripping.
>>42993860Glowie.>>42993862Nice derail.>>42993859Don't reply to ragbaits he gets payed per (You) probably, he's also sliding the thread.
>>42993862If this is not a sign to you that your idea does not apply enough logical scrutiny, you are below 85 iq. I am so sad that things like you exist. You aren't the same thing as I am. I reside somewhere else and pilot this organism -- you very clearly just are the physical body, attempting to use language in a cruel mockery of life.
>>42993868Whoa, well if JSM ward said so in 1878 or whatever! So basically, you will believe anything with one subjective data point? We could have some fun with this. I don't think you are a "thought experiment" type of guy though
>>42993868Holy shit your right, he's just here to fuck with everyone. Crazy that human beings are doing that job while AI gets to do art lmao.
Without fail.
If you don't want people to make fun of you don't be unable to thinkYou aren't aliveWhen someone poses an idea you havent thought about, evaluate it >YOURE GETTING PAID TO SLIDE /X/ THREADS this board pretty obviously has the biggest losers/most unwell people in 4chans history and that's a shitpost even for /x/
>>42993875>this board pretty obviously has the biggest losers/most unwell peoplespeaking about yourself?
>>42993879Read books.
Yeah this thread is just a bunch of fucked up drug addicts telling the peaceful angry racist to love himself. This board is demented.
>>42993886I produce thought, you are only capable of consuming it. Nonetheless I've outread you by an order of magnitude
>>42993860>>42993860>>Satan (Saturn)>Trailer park shitWould you prefer Satariel?
I'm pretty sure I made the exact same posts as this guy on 4chan when I was 15 and rocking a fedora. Not even kidding. There's a good chance this dude is actually genuine lol
>>42993899Fedoras are one of Saturn's hats.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappello_romano
>>42993893Where does this lead you? Are you still going to be mad at the gas giant in 40 years? Or maybe you can use magick to stop the planet from existing It's really Saturn that is the problem in your life, not your lack of transportation and a job
>>42993903
>>42993910Those who nose.
>>42993904>Where does this lead you? Are you still going to be mad at the gas giant in 40 years?Pumba, with you, everything is gas.
>>42993919An old saying goes don't feed the namefag trolls
>>42993910Based sat hat knower
What does it all mean Basil?
>>42993109Any reality that imposes itself on another being's will while pretending to be an overlord god or God is evil. I should be able to have any and every experience and do whatever I want whenever I want forever and that's just that.I don't really care if I go to hell for my belief. You can go ahead and tongue the asshole of the pathetic faggot coward that made this worthless shithole world. I found the real GOD within.
>>42993933That swift song is named Karma because Saturn is associated with Karma in Vedic Astrology.The moon thing may be related to the Moon Matrix theory or with the fact that Saturn is tied to the Sabbath (Shabbat) as its celestial ruler (Shabbetai), while the Moon (Levanah) anchors the entire Hebrew calendar and symbolizes renewal, emotional cycles, and spiritual resilience.>>42993940https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td4qmV04jU0
>>42993860Except it's true tho
>>42993953The more (you)'s for the namefag the worse it'll get, he already made up his mind and argues in bad faith.
>>42993953Where's that lead you? Gonna do magick on the planet? Be scared of planet? Watch lots of media so you can point out when planet appears? What's the point of this fad?
>>42993957Not a fad, the point is to become conscious of the symbolism, archetypes and celestial mechanics around you.
>>42993946>You were God in an avatar the whole time and it was all a dream.You know what people say to those sort of "it was all a dream" types of movie endings?
>>42993946There is no God. The dragons enslave people. Think like Arabian harems on steroids. And they script all of the characters. Make them think they're going to be angels in paradise forever. They're just programmed slaves. If you wake up to the script, they call you corrupt and send you to the recycling bin.Everyone I met in this shithole world was just a stupid actor being programmed by phaggots in a different dimension and I decoded all of their lives with Gematria. Everything you did in your life can be decoded with Gematria. The thing is, my life was a marathon of the Twilight Zone because I am apparently aware of that script and I can see how people are being programmed/mind controlled by these beings. When I try to tell them, they always do that shitty normie thing where they deny it, accuse you of being crazy, turn argumentative, etc..So basically, I am a god forced to interact with retarded toddlers.I am told I will have to serve these retarded toddlers as an angel in Heaven forever after being subjected to a lifelong sexual humiliation ritual. I will not.
>>42993958To what end? To commit to a life of charity, sacrifice, and kindness, right?
>>42993958People should study Gnostic cosmology.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APisfyIUh4>>42993959Pay attention to the lyrics of this popular song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiRJ20LPTv0>>42993963>To what end?Liberation.
>>42993963>To commit to a life of charity, sacrifice, and kindness, right?You're not going to like this but you're just going to die. You were betrayed. Your way of thinking is actually delusional considering your actual circumstances. Everyone you ever met was just a stupid faggot actor programmed by the archons to make you think the life you're living is real. They're all parasites. Trust no one. Exploit whom you must, leave no debts. Be like the scavenger in the wild.
>>42993965Is that what they tell the initiates at the top? "Don't worry, nothing actually matters, it's all an illusion, you can rip apart that newborn, its you ripping apart you, like God always wanted to see what it felt like being eaten alive so no harm no foul."
>>42993965You're liberated as fuck sitting around on 4chan /x/ with sub 100 iq folksSo really it's a sort of masturbatory narcissism, sub-pseudointellectualism, where you affect at knowing some great secret, but without the social trappings that would actually ask anything of you as a person.You make me sick. Can just smell the loser coming off people who regularly use this board
>>42993973The archons are the planets, miss me with that David Icke disinfo shit.>Exploit whom you mustAnd the mask fell off, stop promoting your dark triad bullshit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
>>42993973Anon you know the end point of gnosticism is supposed to be arriving at Jesus right? What do you think gnostic jesus will say to someone who attempted to reach him through lesser means? I know you don't really commit to thought, and all of this is just some flight of fancy in your Xanax addled mind, but come on. At least try to have internally consistent perspectives.If you try to brutalize religions to excuse your poor behavior, you're below the level of a hypothetical orc or goblin, who are at least honest with themselves
>>42993981Its all fake and gay, you're just going to die, therefore you have no actual reason to give a fuck about anything or anyone other than your immediate self. Enjoy doing whatever the hell you want for the rest of your life.Anyways.G = 7Angsters>LOOK EVERYBODY!!! FREE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FAKE AND GAY SIMULATION YOU'RE IN!!!
>>42993989>Low iq, nihilistic, self-deceiving, evil, narcissistic dimwitsMan, evil is real.
>>42993986Jesus is Lucifer.I'm sorry but living by another man's rules is retarded. Jesus' teachings were absurd. You're not even allowed to LUST AFTER A WOMAN? Obviously the Bible was made targeted towards white Europeans, not the cancerous blob of subhuman shit surrounding them on all sides. Because the rest of the world could give two shits about you or your faggot god. With a lowercase g. But turn the other cheek its ok. You're just going to die.Jesus accomplished his mission, though. That was the destruction of the Roman empire and the creation of millions of retarded faggot zealots that will do the bidding of the Catholic church or whatever is written in the faggot Bible.Fuck you, you retard. I'm a god compared to you.
>>42993976For Neoplatonists like Plotinus committing amoral and evil acts results in a spiritual descent, self-illusion, and the entrapment of the soul in matter.The more we behave in purely selfish, material, or destructive ways, the further we "move away" from this light.The soul does not destroy its connection to the One (that is metaphysically impossible), but it sinks deeper into the darkness of the material world. By doing this, the soul forgets its true divine nature and becomes fragmented, focusing on the isolated "self" instead of the Whole.Monism doesn't justify evil.>>42993977More liberated than Reddit and Xitter with their censorship.>>42993986From a Gnostic sense Jesus was an Aeon or a composite of many celestial (mostly solar) myths, most biblical characters are personifications.>>42993989>t.>picrel
>>42993986>>42993992>>42994000JESUS = LUCIFER>>42993997
>>42994003>JESUS = LUCIFERYes, God's Sun, The Risen Saviour, Sun of The Morning, a.k.a Morning Star.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy9LHIDtmGc
>>42994009Worthless shit.
>>42994003If this guy doesn't get fed by the government he will die lol
>>42993997>You're not even allowed to LUST AFTER A WOMAN?Why is the color of love red? What is a red herring?>But turn the other cheek its ok.You don't know what that means kek
>>42994003>>42994009Then someone explain to me Babylon - Semiramis bearing the fire of Nimrod?
>>42994016>Semiramishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj1cF5SYKf0
>>42994015that's what happens when you take the red pill
>>42994012Drowning out all the haters>EVIL JEWS = NINE ELEVEN>>42994013The government is the mob now.MOB = MAFIA>>42994015>red herringAs in, a real life barbie doll MKUltra whore used to entice men in a simulation just to put them through a cuck humiliation ritual?
>>42993997>turn the other cheek
>>42994039They were all crisis actors. They've been pulling this schtick for centuries.Modern psyops are basically the same thing, just on social media with gay cameras everywhere and gay paid actors made to promote a cause to make it look more widespread than it actually is.It's how they propagandized women in the early 1900s and with peer pressure, the result is obvious.So I hate people. This is a worthless creation. The god/creator of humanity, this world/simulation totally goofed things up and now I don't give a fuck.
>>42994023Isis began as an ancient Egyptian goddess (attested from the Old Kingdom onward), primarily as the devoted wife of Osiris and mother of Horus. She was associated with magic, protection of the throne, motherhood, healing, and funerary rites. Her importance grew through the Middle and New Kingdoms and especially in the Late Period. Under the Ptolemies (after Alexander’s conquest, late 4th century BCE), the cult was deliberately Hellenized. Isis was syncretized with Greek goddesses such as Demeter and Aphrodite, while Osiris was largely reshaped into the Greco-Egyptian god Serapis. This form of the cult spread rapidly across the Hellenistic Mediterranean via trade, sailors, and Ptolemaic influence.In the Roman EmpireThe cult reached Italy by the 2nd century BCE (notably through ports such as Puteoli) and entered Rome in the 1st century BCE. Early emperors (especially Augustus and Tiberius) restricted or suppressed it because of its foreign and Egyptian associations, but it gained official tolerance and imperial favor from Caligula onward, peaking in the 1st–3rd centuries CE. Temples (Isea) appeared across the Empire—from Britain to Asia Minor. The cult offered personal initiation (the “Mysteries of Isis”), promises of salvation and a blessed afterlife, daily rituals, and festivals such as the Navigium Isidis. It appealed strongly to women, merchants, soldiers, and lower social classes, while also attracting some elites. There was a major temple complex in Rome dedicated to Isis and Serapis, known as the Iseum Campense (or Iseum et Serapeum), located in the Campus Martius.
>>42994039>>42994049>It's how they propagandized women in the early 1900s and with peer pressure, the result is obvious.Feminism and prohibition.To this day, women have completely missed the point that they're retarded and worthless because they're still following the beliefs and propaganda of the people who sacrificed millions of us in WW1 and WW2. They actually deserve to be raped for it. And nigger culture. They've been playing faggot ass nigger music on the radio for the last decade and a half. Give me a fucking break.I could care less now that prostitution is illegal that young girls are being groomed into sexual slavery or that women think their little vote matters or counts when elections are decided by billionaire lobby groups.. I could go on forever. Basically human beings are worthless shit and they deserve to be pissed on. Especially women. Elliot Rodger ascended to godhood when he died.
>>42994063You have a cleft palate, right?
>>42994063It said its all fake and gay. So he never died. He was an actor.
>>42994069No, I just happen to be a god who knows everything. I know how exactly how the mafia together with federal agencies conditioned you people into accepting this garbage following WW1 and WW2 and how you faggots pretend to be civil rights heroes when all you are is gangsters with connections to the federal government so you're living the luxury gangster nigger playboy scumbag life while us peasants suffer, huh? You're all gonna be bitches in the afterlife when the truth comes out and we're all standing right in front of you and there's nowhere to run. You're all rats. You're gonna be exterminated too.I look forward to it every single day.
>>42994078Word that's crazy
>>42994071All Elliot Rodger wanted was a butterfly to dump his balls inside of every once in a while and this fake and gay New World Order society denied that of him. This fake and gay New World Order robbed Elliot Rodger of his BIRTHRIGHT. And he said NO..He won. He made those bitches pay. They should have just spread their ass.
Lol we found the world's elliot rodger sympathizerI hate that mentally ill people are just allowed to post on 4chan forever without being banned because it clearly hurts them
>>42993109>Was Saturn The Good Guy All Along? Saturn is Time. He can't be evil. Saturn acts evil when you try to resist the inevitable march of Time. Sacrificing your Children's future to preserve or extend your time is considered Saturnian but it needs to be remembered Saturn will come for his harvest regardless.Let's take the Catholics and Orthodox. They are specifically told Saturn is an inevitability. We are all born, We all die. Time and Death are natural things. 90% of their religion is praying for a Happy Death to meet it with courage and grace.This is a positive aligned Saturnian view.Now take some of the worldly materialist of today.They refuse to make way for the new cycle, they grip onto everything they can and devour their childrens inheritance and future in order to comfort themselves.This is the negative aspect of Saturn.Eventually Jupiter must claim the throne and Saturn must make way so the cycle can start a new.
>>42994112Reagan shut down the asylums
>>42994023Yeah yeah Catholics also have a ton of Gnostic influence in the forms of Marian Devotions and their view on the Devil.Hell Catholics have a bit of Hestia worship as well with how they view Mary.Finding some pagan cults influence inside Catholicism isn't fascinating.Hell chopping down trees at Christmas is there own reformation of Druid practices.>HE YOU DRUIDS! INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING THAT GUY LETS WORSHIP THE ONE GOD AND SACRIFICE A TREE IN THAT GUYS PLACE!
>>42994112>>42994126Keep going, Yaldabaoth.I'm a real person who can see through your fake world, you fake fuck!
>>42994118>Now take some of the worldly materialist of today.>They refuse to make way for the new cycle, they grip onto everything they can and devour their childrens inheritance and future in order to comfort themselves.https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Life_Potion
>>42994118>Saturn acts evil when you try to resist the inevitable march of Time.Go with the flow as the Taoists say and nothing can go wrong.>Now take some of the worldly materialist of today.They want to be Mr. House and upload themselves to a Metaverse to fight against the march of time.
>>42994143Fake world full of fake people!
>New derailer invaded the thread to take over namefag's place and further derail the thread.Notice how every time these topics get mentioned picrel happends.
>>42994156You hide the give truth through joke. You have no idea how accurate your pic is.
Move along freak before your breath sours my beer.
>>42994167(You)
If one cuts down a tree to build a house are they participating in destruction?
>>42994143Pretty much, just prolonging the inevitable
>>42993109GET A LOAD OF THIS RETARD!WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING!BAAAAKA!
>>42994196Nigga we KILL to eat.
>>42994222>Nigga we KILL to eat.So we all goin to hell
>>42994165There is no Nobody, only the Everybody.>>42994212>0 Counter-arguments>>42994224We are already in Hell.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09839DpTctU
>>42994236Baby- please try- to forgive me.
>>42994238
>>42994236>>0 Counter-argumentsAs if the Demiurge cares about intellectual argumentation. Or even being intellectual.
>>42994236>>We are already in Hell.88 mph in Back to the Future: Correct. The DeLorean must reach 88 mph for the time circuits to activate.Mercury’s orbital period: Correct. Mercury’s sidereal year is approximately 88 Earth days (precisely ~87.97 days).Mercury as “the Gate” in occultism: Consistent with earlier discussion in this conversation. Mercury is the psychopomp, messenger, and liminal mediator — the planetary principle of the threshold or gate between realms, states, or densifications.Biff Tannen and Trump: Screenwriter Bob Gale has stated (2015) that the wealthy, casino-owning, politically influential Biff of Back to the Future Part II was influenced by Donald Trump’s public persona of the 1980s. He later clarified that the original Biff (Part I) was a generic bully archetype, while the Part II version carried a clear Trump influence in the casino/power elements.Trump and the DeLorean estate: Correct. John DeLorean’s former estate in Bedminster, New Jersey, was acquired by Donald Trump in 2002 and developed into Trump National Golf Club Bedminster.John G. Trump and Tesla’s papers: Correct. After Nikola Tesla’s death in 1943, the U.S. government had MIT professor John G. Trump (Donald Trump’s uncle) examine Tesla’s papers and effects. He reported that they contained no significant new, workable principles of military or scientific value beyond speculative ideas.https://youtu.be/W3LwlSlo5cw&t=8
>>42994016Semiramis, Nimrod, and Tammuz are all the same person. Ishtar is Ba'al in a dress and Ba'al is Ishtar with a cock. Perhaps and hopefully not literally once upon a time but that's more or less how they see the formula now, read the myth of Nimrod and Semiramis in the context of an androgynous elite 'birthing' then possessing an artificial clone of themselves to achieve loophole immortality through the ages.
>>42994243>He took the myths literallyNGMI
>>42994268>he doesn't take the myths literallyUh oh. We got a real retard here.
>>42994267God cursed Cain, banning him from farming the land successfully and sentencing him to a life of wanderingWhen Cain feared others would kill him in his exile, God put a protective sign or "mark" on him with a warning that anyone who harmed him would face severe vengeanceCain moved to the land of Nod (meaning "wandering"), built a city named after his son Enoch, and started a family line of descendantsIn Jupiter Ascending - Jupiter Jones (Mila Kunis) learns her unique genetic signature matches the assassinated matriarch of the powerful Abraxas family, making her the legal heir to Earth.Caine Wise (Channing Tatum) arrives to protect her from alien assassins.
>>42993435Ananke and Chronos (often spelled Chronus)are the primordial deities of fate and time in ancient Greek mythology.In early Orphic creation myths, they are considered two of the most powerful foundational forces in the universe.The Primordial EntitiesAnanke: personifies inevitability, necessity, and compulsion.Chronos: personifies empirical timeThe Creation of the CosmosAccording to Orphic traditions, they emerged self-formed at the beginning of the universe,>often envisioned as incorporeal, serpentine figures.>Together, they intertwined around the primordial world egg of creation.>By applying immense pressure, they crushed and split the egg open, dividing its contents to form the earth, sea, sky, and the ordered universe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEejivHRIbE>Driving the Universe: After creating the cosmos, the pair remained bound together, circling the universe to drive the rotation of the heavens and the forward march of time
>>42993325My biggest problem with Neoplatonism is that it's descended from Plato, the guy who said that chairs and desks were a copy of a perfect form/idea realm and that perfect versions of them exist THERE and that's why we detect and see them as chairs and desks.mate if you cannot see why that's stupidand also gnosticism is just jesus + plato and pythagoras, besides the hermeticism so no use commenting on that. While it could be true that Energy is all there is, that doesn't contradict the stoic Pantheist belief, ergeia in energy means work, it means being a doer, and doing basically is life(Kind of similar to Buddhism's samsara and karma which is also doing) There's this cosmic entity, or samsara, that keeps everyone doing or living, prioritizing it like the ouroboros where the snake eats not too much or little of its tail, and there's this fate or karma interdependentness which also checks out. Besides the point though, saying that it's all one and that because the physical universe is energy this theory of form realm and Henosis must be true, that's just ridiculous.
>>42994287They dont think it be like it do That is because they are golem
>>42994288Its only retarded if you dont get it anon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXW-QjBsruEt. only smart anon here who doesnt want to rape your psyche with bullshit
>>42993766>This one is the most interesting to me.In the earliest remembered age (the “Golden Age” or “First Time”), the planet Saturn was the dominant celestial body visible from Earth. It did not appear as the distant, dim planet we see today. Instead:Saturn stood as a large, luminous orb fixed at (or very near) the north celestial pole.It functioned as a stationary “polar sun” or “central sun” that neither rose nor set.Earth was axially aligned with this configuration, so the entire assembly appeared motionless in the northern sky while secondary features rotated visually with Earth’s rotation.This polar Saturn was the Universal Monarch, the original sky-god, the “Eye of Heaven,” the cosmic mountain or pillar, and the prototype of the first king and “first man” (Adam/Kronos/Ra, etc.) across cultures.Additional mythic elements derived from this view include:A circumpolar band or “enclosure” (the cosmic ocean or ring).Radiating streams or spokes (the four rivers, the cross, the swastika-like forms).A revolving crescent on the band.A polar column or “world mountain” rising from the horizon to Saturn.Later catastrophic disruption of the configuration, ending the Golden Age.
>>42994293fuark man it doesn't talk about Plato can't believe I wasted 2 whole minutes watching a Vsauce videoit's just the subconscious recognition of a chair from your mind getting penetrated since the beginning with your vision to see and identify chairs, nothing else nothing more, realm of ideas is wack shit
>>42994312>fuark man it doesn't talk about PlatoIt does>can't believe I wasted 2 whole minutes watching a Vsauce videoyou've wasted more energy on this post >it's just the subconscious recognition of a chair from your mind getting penetrated since the beginning with your vision to see and identify chairs, nothing else nothing more, realm of ideas is wack shitHuh? Brother are you retarded?
>>42993124Integrate being the key word. We saw what happens when he's in charge.
>>42994319After a bit of thinking it does kind of make sense, a triangle or square exist as potentiality even if there's no advanced creature to conceptualize it. The realm of forms is that, and the Monad is pure potentiality. I didn't think about that so I concede.
>>42994277>Bro believes in talking snakes with lion heads.NGMI>>42994288>Plato's Forms are stupid.>Doesn't know how games store their assets.Lmao.>Pantheist beliefThe Stoics believed that God was a physical, fiery breath (pneuma) blended into the cosmos. Plotinus argued that if God is material, God is subject to change, division, and physical destruction. In the Enneads, he argued that the Stoics had dragged the supreme principle down into the mud, confusing the absolute, unchangeable source of existence (the One) with the physical universe it creates.Worshiping the universe itself as the supreme God like the Stoics did was like looking at a beautiful painting and praising the canvas and paint instead of the mind of the artist who painted it.>ergeiaPlotinus argued in the Enneads that true energeia (actuality) must be completely immaterial and prior to matter. Neoplatonists asserted that if the primary organizing principle (God, Intellect, or Soul) were material and relied on physical movement, it would be passive and subject to decay. Therefore, they argued that Stoic energeia was merely a secondary effect of a higher, incorporeal reality.Plotinus argued that the highest forms of reality such as the Divine Intellect (Nous) possess supreme energeia without any physical movement or change whatsoever. To the Neoplatonists the Stoics had confused the eternal, unchanging "activity" of thought and being with the kinetic mechanical motions of the material world.>There's this cosmic entity, or samsara, that keeps everyoneNo one is keeping you here besides "yourself.">HenosisEarly Neoplatonism viewed henosis as an internal intellectual ascent. Through strict virtue, dialectic, and deep meditation, the soul could lift itself up to the divine. Plotinus famously achieved this state only a handful of times in his life.In the writings of Plotinus on Henology, one can reach a tabula rasa, a blank state where the individual may grasp or merge with The One.
>>42994380>>Bro believes in talking snakes with lion heads.The Lion is also a Snake
>>42994394>There are 2 lions nowStill doesn't make a literal interpretation true.
>>42993109All that shit is fake, none of it is real. There are no souls, demiurges, monads, henads.
>>42994454How can you be so sure? You an atheist?
>>42994453>Still doesn't make a literal interpretation true.Meh, enjoy your serpentine lions
>>42994380>Worshiping the universe itself as the supreme God like the Stoics did was like looking at a beautiful painting and praising the canvas and paint instead of the mind of the artist who painted it.But it's not like a painting, because that would be a separation of art and artist that pantheism and panentheism do not accept.So it is much more like looking at the body of a bodybuilder, and praising their body and the work they put into it.
>>42994470You're the one reading myths literally.>>42994471Monism isn't about worshipping the "physical" universe itself, it's about "worshipping" the totality of existence itself to put it simply, the infinite that created all and permeates all, it's an abstract concept to put into words, you can feel it with intense meditation.In Monism artist and painting are one yes but just focusing on the painting is still missing the point (in the circle).
>>42994504The best way i can describe it really is ineffable, even saying it's like a body or saying it's name is limiting it's infinite essence.
>>42994504>MonismAre retards. I was talking about Pantheism and Panentheism.
>>42994507>saying it has a color is limiting>I KNOW! I'll say it cant have ANY COLOR AT ALL!>so much less limitingYour conception is the most limited of all.
>>42994521>PantheismStoicism is Pantheistic (not Panentheistic) and Monism isn't Panentheistic nor necessarily Pantheistic.>>42994527>I'll say it cant have ANY COLOR AT ALL!What is the color of infinity? You can't describe infinity in your current state.
>>42994541Panentheism is a specific theological view that says that God permeates every part of the universe, but also transcends it.Monism isn't saying he permeates it, but that it is it, it's all of it, permeation implies separation into parts, Monism has no separation.
>>42994553I know i said it permeates it (wrong choice of words) but i'm trying to describe something ineffable here.
>>42994287It's always a sex joke.
>>42994541>StoicismI have not been advocating for that. I came into this purely on the pantheist comment. I agree on the Monism is not these things.>What is the color of infinity?Any color it wants to be.>You can't describe infinity in your current state.But no aspect of what I can describe is absent, so why deny it? Not only does the very word "infinity" as a communicable concept refute your claim, the claim "the infinite set includes five" is not impossible with the understanding that I cannot write out the infinite set.My God can shake hands, whether my God wants to have hands or not.Your God isnt allowed to, because having hands would limit it.
Shlomo caught autofellating again
>>42994688>I have not been advocating for that.Aren't you the stoic anon from here? >>42993315 >Any color it wants to be.According to Plotinus, the Monad (the One) does not have a color. In Neoplatonism assigning any material or descriptive quality like a color to the One would completely violate its nature.>But no aspect of what I can describe is absent, so why deny it?I said it was ineffable which by definition is something too great, beautiful, or extreme to be described or expressed in words fully, assigning wordly descriptions to it limits it, it practically "doesn't have anything" resembling our descriptions.You don't even know what you can describe and what is abscent, what you think isn't abscent is just a hallucination of the brain.>Not only does the very word "infinity" as a communicable concept refute your claim.We can only communicate potential infinity like a mobius strip, something not physically infinite, but that contains an infinite boundaryless loop, comunicating something or thinking of something actually infinite we cannot.>My God can shake hands, whether my God wants to have hands or not, Your God isnt allowed to.It's beyond human concepts like hands.>>42994802I got shit to do and i'm not always sitting here waiting to argue the talmudic semantics of the Monad with you, and as i've already said i am no rabbi.
>>42994688>Any color it wants to be.>
>>42995050>Aren't you the stoic anon from here?No. I told you what my first post was.>According to PlotinusHe is wrong. The Supreme can have any color it wants. That can be no color, but it isnt a static claim to be made.>I said it was ineffableMore, you said that is the ONLY thing you can say, which is wrong.>it practically "doesn't have anything" resembling our descriptions.Wrong. It has EVERYTHING matching our descriptions, and more.>You don't even know what you can describe and what is abscentWhat I can describe is what I can describe.I am saying nothing is absent. YOU are the one claiming everything is absent, because you are denying an ability to describe.>We can only communicate potential infinity like a mobius stripWhich means we CAN do it.>comunicating something or thinking of something actually infinite we cannot.Yes we can, you just described how we can.The very concept of infinity that you are trying to say we cant describe is only existent because we have described it.>It's beyond human concepts like hands.So your God cant shake hands, and is lesser.>>42995123Yes.
>>42995519>No, I told you what my first post was.Was it this one >>42994288 or >>42994471 ? Where did you "tell me"?>The Supreme can have any color it wants.Saying the Monad can have any color "it wants" implies that it has choices, preferences, or desires. In Neoplatonic philosophy, the Monad does not have a human psychology. It does not wake up, think, and decide, "Today I want to be yellow." It desires nothing because it is already absolute, self-contained perfection. Desire implies that something is missing, and the Monad lacks nothing.>you said that is the ONLY thing you can say, which is wrong.If you want to describe it in it's totality that is the only thing you can say, it's ineffable in it's totality to our limited senses, everything else is conjecture that doesn't really describe it because said descriptions are limited interpretations of the senses.>Wrong, It has EVERYTHING matching our descriptions, and more.When we try to describe the Monad our words are not literal matches; they are merely inadequate metaphors. Plotinus and the Neoplatonists argued that our best descriptions are actually things the Monad is not like.>What I can describe is what I can describe.>I am saying nothing is absent.The Monad is simultaneously nowhere and everywhere, if a schizo says a horse is in the room and you don't see it do you consider it present? It's all a dream/hallucination, nothing is truly absent or present.>YOU are the one claiming everything is absent, because you are denying an ability to describe.It technically is.>Which means we CAN do it.Potential infinity is not true infinity, potential infinity is just a finite quantity that keeps growing. It is "infinity" only in its direction, not in its current state.We cannot speak something truly (actually) infinite using human language.cont.
>>42995692>The very concept of infinity that you are trying to say we cant describe is only existent because we have described it.And as i've said that concept is an inadequate metaphor, logical thinking has limits and can't reach ultimate reality, you can't imagine a new color for example, only one within the spectrum we know.>So your God cant shake hands, and is lesser.It is already shaking all of the hands being shaken in all of existence, time and space.>YesNo.
>>42995692>or >>42994471 (You) ?This is my first post in the thread.>implies that it has choices, preferences, or desires.Yes. It can. Is this another limitation you want to impost on the infinite?Your conception of the Supreme is mindless and cant even think.>If you want to describe it in it's totalityyou cant. Even your saying - as I have proven repeatedly - fails and is actually the MOST limiting description.Even erroneously saying the Supreme can only be one color is greater than saying is cant be any color at all.>When we try to describe the Monad our words are not literal matches; they are merely inadequate metaphors.That's true of all words for all things.Words are not the things they describe.You cant quench your thirst with the word water.>The Monad is simultaneously nowhere and everywhereAnd in one place, and in two or three. Whatever it wants.>It technically is.Exactly.You have a blank for a god. A pathetic lesser than literally everything.
>>42993109I haven't actually read the Op, and I'm not.I'm just going to say this; sometimes in spaces like this, ideas like ops only really comes from a place of contrarianism and a "what if" mentality.I doubt op actually believes this in the most general sense and if you have read the cannon you obviously know (at least in the gnostic cannon) that Saturn (or more generally the archetype of Saturn.) is quite obviously the 'bad guy.'
>>42995727>Is this another limitation you want to impost on the infinite?If it's already infinite it has no need for such things.>Your conception of the Supreme is mindless and cant even think.Attributing thought or intellect (Nous) to the Monad would compromise its absolute, undivided simplicity.>is actually the MOST limiting description.Calling the Monad "ineffable" (arrheton) acknowledges that the Monad transcends all categories of human thought.>You cant quench your thirst with the word water.Which is why practice exists beyond books, there are people who have felt the oneness, i don't agree with Bill's method though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UicotYFkUKM>Whatever it wants.Wants imply there is something it doesn't have, if it's infinite it already has everything and doesn't need anything else.>You have a blank for a god, a pathetic lesser than literally everything.God isn't a marvel superhero for you to fawn over like an idol, the Monad is the ultimate generative principle, a living force.But it's not "alive" in the way biological organisms, human minds, or even "gods" are alive. Instead, Plotinus describes it as the infinite, surging source of life itself, a "supra-vital" energy from which all life flows.>>42995770Dualist slop.
>>42995774I'd like to note that Hicks's consciousness thinks and experiences itself, which means it behaves much more like Plotinus's second principle the Intellect (Nous) rather than the Monad but the oneness thing still applies.
>>42995774>Dualist slop.>Op can handle criticism and starts namecalling
>>42995786Not a counter-argument, he didn't even read it so how can he make that blind assessment?
>>42993140Kek
>>42995774>no needIt's not about need. CAN it have thoughts, or not?your answer is not "it doesnt" but "it CANT."And that is lesser.>simplicityExactly. A blank lesser.>Calling the Monad "ineffable" Calling it that is fine. you are adding to that claim by DENYING everything else which re-establishes your conception as less than.>Which is why practice exists beyond books,Yes, but here we are with words, and your words show an absence of all, not a transcendence.>Wants imply there is something it doesn't haveNo it doesnt.that a human, limited being's understanding.The supreme can have wants because there is no power or restriction on The Supreme.Who are YOU to demand the Supreme not want things - just so you can enclose it in your limited logic?>God isn't a marvel superheroWhy cant god be a superhero?My God can be a superhero.Your god CANT.Is your God INCAPABLE of being a superhero?>It technically is.
>>42993109The op is jewish hylic who falle for jewish liesMoloch is archon of all forms rot, filth and decay.There nothing positive about him.
>>42995800>my god>your godPolytheism isn't real. If any God exists, it is the only one, definitionally, in the same way there can only be one "tip" of a pyramid. A multiplicity of tips when the entire concept of a tip is a singularity, makes no sense. This metaphor tracks identically with the singularity that is the origin of All.
>>42995800>CAN it have thoughts, or not?To have a thought, there must be a thinker and the thought itself. This creates a duality (two things). The Monad is absolute oneness; it cannot be divided into a thinker and a thought.>A blank lesser.That makes the Monad greater, this lack of thoughts is the very proof of its supreme perfection.You only think when you are trying to understand something, figure something out, or bridge a gap. The Monad has no gaps. It has no problems to solve, no mysteries to uncover, and nothing to learn. It is already fully realized perfection. To give it thoughts would imply it was missing something.>you are adding to that claim by DENYING everything else which re-establishes your conception as less than.You could argue that ineffability describes only the limitation of our human language and not a lack of substance or a limitation in the fullness of the Monad’s reality sure, but even that hypothetical substance is ineffable.>and your words show an absence of all, not a transcendence.Transcendence means being absent from the grid of definition. If you are on a grid, you are measurable, predictable, and contained.Because the Monad is above all things, it lacks nothing. However, from our human perspective, it looks like a total absence of attributes.>The supreme can have wants because there is no power or restriction on The Supreme.In metaphysics, desire requires a lack, a gap between what an entity is and what it wishes to be. Because The Supreme (often called The One or the absolute source) is completely unbounded and infinite, it already possesses total fullness, meaning it lacks nothing and therefore cannot "want.">Who are YOU to demand the Supreme not want things.Who are YOU to demand the Supreme want things when it already has everything? That's a humanization of it.>Why cant god be a superhero?Because a superhero is a form, and it is formless.>My God can be a superhero.Then go play with your toy idol.
>>42995813Scholars aren't entirely sure if Moloch was a "god" or not, while Moloch (or Molech) is famous in the Hebrew Bible as a foreign god tied to sacrifice, modern research suggests he might not have been a distinct god at all but more of a title for an idol.>>42995879This.
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>>42995889>>42996195In Hermetic Qabalah and modern Qliphothic systems (drawing from Golden Dawn, Crowley, and later Left-Hand Path writers), Moloch has a clear and repeated association:He is one of the two primary rulers (or masks) of Thaumiel, the Qliphah corresponding to Kether (the Crown).Thaumiel means “Twins of God” or “Dual Contending Forces.” It represents the shadow of pure unity: division, opposition, and two powers locked in struggle at the highest level.The classic pairing is Satan and Moloch as the dual kings of Thaumiel. Some modern Draconian/Qliphothic practitioners (e.g., Asenath Mason and the Temple of Ascending Flame) treat Satan-Moloch (or Lucifer-Satan-Moloch) as aspects or masks of the Lord of Thaumiel.This fits Moloch’s traditional attributes of fire, severe judgment, sacrifice, and consuming power — the unbalanced, destructive extreme of divine severity and kingship.So there is genuine synchronicity here within established Western occult Kabbalah: Moloch is explicitly mapped onto the Tree of Death as a ruling force of its highest Qliphah.
>>42993315>you guys would better off reading stoicism.the most reddit shit I read this year. literally holly shit LOL
