Answering everything you ever wanted to know about Indian religion.I do these threads off and on, doing it again.
>>43002306What makes you qualified to answer questions?
>>43002306define through personal experience alone - bodhisattva - oh keeper of the bodi/y?)
>>43002310you will know him by his works
>>43002310Well I've spent a few lifetimes studying dharmic religion, so I have an alright handle on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a guru or anything. Im just relatively well educated on Hindu religion and it's earlier Vedic ancestor.
>>43002311I have no clue what you're trying to ask but I'll say the same thing I normally do: I'm just answering questions about Vedic religion in these threads (for now). This might change in the future.
>>43002306why does it lead people to shitting in the street?
>>43002320> I've spent a few lifetimes studying dharmic religionYet you are still here....?
>>43002330The religion itself isn't the problem, it's the lack of education (social and otherwise) unfortunately, in the homeland it's also because proper indigenous plumbing and toiletries were replaced with European plumbing/toiletry. The issue with that is, European designs are great for Europe. Not great for India which has a wildly different climate. These two things are features of being in the kali yuga. Alot of indians will try to sell cope to you and insist we aren't in the dark age, but we are. Failing health and education on a global scale is one of the symptoms of that.
>>43002332Yes, I don't really have an excuse. Me being back is solely my own fault. I'm trying to do better in this lifetime but we have the internet now and God damn does that not make things harder.
>>43002341>we wuz toilet shittersfuck off jeet
>>43002306What does it mean to be a Deva?What does it mean to be an Asura?Why do their roles as Pro/An-tagonistalter depending on religion.?Who is Mitra-Varuna; and why are they so important? Who is Rahu Ketu; and why are they so important? How is Indra, an ant? What does Mount Mandara have to do Shesha and Vishnu?What does Vasuki and Nandi represent in relation to Shiva? Who where the people known for dying their skin blue;the same people whose mummies are found all over the world?What is the real color of Shivas hair?
>>43002341>because proper indigenous plumbing and toiletries were replaced with European plumbing/toiletryI've literally never heard this, are you saying the hygeine issues are due to them trying european plumbing? Makes no sense.
>>43002382Well clearly before the white man introduced his tricknology Indians didn't require the need to poop.
Or really the white mans tricknology is to confusing/complex for indians,who where better off as tribal animals pooping in the woods. and TBF their is a valid argument that we are all better off as animals. But that argument like communism ignores how savage savages are to each other.
How doesBhagavad Gita 14:15rajasi pralayaṁ gatvā karma-saṅgiṣu jāyatetathā pralīnas tamasi mūḍha-yoniṣu jāyate“Those who die in the mode of passion are born among those attached to action; and those who die in the mode of ignorance are born in the wombs of the irrational.”Relate to the fast-food industry and Cheeseburgers? Can you give other examples of Passion and Ignorance?
>>43002405People be like the native Americans where playful peacfull forest spirits. MEANWHILE these savages would pick the most attractive women in there tribeand skin her alive to wear her skin as a magic ritual. People be like the Indians are so wise and non materialistic. MEANWHILE these savages would burn their wife's slaves and possessions alive to bring them with them to the afterlife. A Practice that HAD TO BE BANNED by the British in 1829.
>>43002407>Relate to the fast-food industry and Cheeseburgers
>>43002306Can you give a qrd on the Buddha and Buddhism specifically from a Hindu perspective? Been wanting to hear this for a while but haven't found a suitable book or video.
>>43002327imagine a man, he wakes content, rails his waifu, breaksfast, heads unto his calling with his brothers in the call and gives it his all in the compleation of his call. he concludes his day, heads home, embraces the wife, sups his meal, then as he sits upon the porch he gazes to the setting sun and smokes a ciggy. this moment in the day of a man extrapolated to the life if a man is bodhisattva..>bodhisattva(in Mahayana Buddhism) a person who is able to reach nirvana but delays doing so through compassion for suffering beings.>my sun, your throwing your life away with this...
>>43002379red - crimson son.
>>43002382Kinda yeah, it's not the ONLY issue but it's part of it. think of it like this; India has Extreme Weather. European weather is a lot colder and dry generally than India. India is typically hot and humid. One of the features of that is it's prone to a lot of rain. Indigenous plumbing systems were designed to handle regular monsoon weather and the floods that come that. The infrastructure that exists in India now is just completely unequipped and unable to handle the weather, which makes it prone to breaking down and leaking into the land, the drinking/bathing water. One of the worse issues is that when it breaks from monsoon issues, the land it's in gets prone to erosion and mud slides from the excess waste and water. Don't get me wrong, it's not like this can only be blamed on the Europeans. European colonialism already happened. Indians need to grow up already and fix the long term issues the greedy and lazy elites in their country are profiting off of. It's absolutely absurd that entire regions have no water or toiletry because the European plumbing broke from the climate and they can't properly fix it.
>>43002444Ay op was afraid to answer my questions, but at least you got one right fren.
>>43002455we try our best yo>https://youtu.be/mWKDZRJWdF4?si=Nihl6UZtz0MvOtUB
>>43002455multiimage posting when>
>>430024641+2+3+4=10 :)Fun Fact Na Means House in MayanChan means snake... (also pronounced or written as kaan or kan)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU86MpVAIPM
>>43002473>>43002475And here’s a post I found that touches on all this>tfw you finally realise that "baal" means "owner/master/lord">tfw you realise that "baal" is the patron deity of soldiers, merchants, sailors and farmers>tfw you realise that "baal worship" is essentially a form of authoritarianism>tfw you realise that the symbol of baal (or gods equivalent to baal) is an eagle, eye, lightning bolt, laurel wreath and bull.>tfw when you realise that most states all over the world have an eagle, eye, lightning bolt, laurel wreath, bull or horns as their symbols>tfw you realise that the traditional enemy of baal is a snake or sea-serpent>tfw you realise that the snake is a symbol of chaos and anarchy>tfw you realise that the combination of an eagle and a snake is effectively a dragon, aka true satanism>tfw you realise that satanism, at its core, is the belief that you should be god, having supreme power over everyone else (authoritarian baal) and should do whatever you want without order or constraint (anarchic serpent), thus combining the serpent and the eagle, making you the dragonThe thing that anon is missing though is you must defeat/tame the dragonLike fun fact there’s a story out there about Jesus defeating a dragon that was removed from the Bible
>>43002407Well, the general thing you're asking me is how this rebirth issue relates to current problems I think..? The answer is pretty simple; we are in the kali yuga in this universe. The general thing going on in the kali yuga is that people are extremely averse to dharma and everything that means. Basic things covered in dharma are>Mindfulness/embodiment>Religion>Truth>Justice>Phenomenon/reality>Tolerance/mercyEtc. there's more but these are some of the basics. The manifeststion of this is as a kind of anti-embodiment. You're using passion as a means of escapism due to an ignorance of dharma. In the modern age, we see these twin issues arise particularly as Convenience Culture. Everyone wants everything all the time and for it to be as convenient and easy as possible. Global culture is insanely nihilistic and consumerism is how it deals with that. They just don't want to think or feel. They want the illusion of thinking or feeling and an easy brand they can associate with. >Can you list other examples of passion/ignorance You're asking about the Tri-Guna (three natures/modes) Rajas (passion) is gonna contain anything that you get obsessive about. It drives desire and attachment. When it's dominant it's greedy and constantly moving in action and obscures wisdom. We can see a good example with this in people who are constantly scrolling on their phone. With tamas (ignorance) it's quality is of dullness and lethargy. It's an apathy to life itself because you don't understand it. If in rajasic mode youre scrolling because it feels good, in tamasic you're doing it knowing it's bad for you...and you simply don't care. You can take these two polarities and apply them to much of global culture at this point. Scrolling, short form videos, AI, fast food, etc etc etc.
>>43002473>>43002475>>43002479Ananke and Chronos (often spelled Chronus)are the primordial deities of fate and time in ancient Greek mythology.In early Orphic creation myths, they are considered two of the most powerful foundational forces in the universe.The Primordial EntitiesAnanke: personifies inevitability, necessity, and compulsion.Chronos: personifies empirical timeThe Creation of the CosmosAccording to Orphic traditions, they emerged self-formed at the beginning of the universe,>often envisioned as incorporeal, serpentine figures.>Together, they intertwined around the primordial world egg of creation.>By applying immense pressure, they crushed and split the egg open, dividing its contents to form the earth, sea, sky, and the ordered universe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEejivHRIbE>Driving the Universe: After creating the cosmos, the pair remained bound together, circling the universe to drive the rotation of the heavens and the forward march of time
>>43002475shall we then symbolically when ergrogrize the ba-nah then?>https://youtu.be/mfJhMfOPWdE?si=EX2ZXHpprC92Ay2Tif mah third unto the second hebrew is off base blame only your teachings as mah only source of inquests failingz fren
>>43002486time is born when light impregnates an unilluminated matrix, ima skip all the initiates baal achs and just hail tartarus yo, he whom in his wisdom alone nuked the void forever
Well, if someone who isn't actively in psychosis would like to post, I'd be much obliged >>43002433I COULD....but I don't wanna. Im trying to keep these threads focused on just questions about Vedic religion & Hinduism. Getting into other dharmic religions (Buddhism, sikhism, etc) and their understanding in Hindu religion starts making things murky and loses the plot. On top of that, there isn't really a singular position on Buddha and Buddhism anyway. Hinduism isn't technically one religion, it's a bajillion of them that orbit around Vedic orthopraxy. So different lineages will have different opinions or none at all.
fuck doing dis shit all at once is hard off the cuff.https://youtu.be/IED6vLMwp6g?si=E3K-TEsNG-dVvy3L+3 3rd gen dnd scaling respect doe
>>43002492Become a Ba-ntu?I already AMI shouldn't be the only tree you eat from. The number 52 in the Bible is most famously associated with the 52 days/chapters it took Nehemiah to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem after the Babylonian exilehttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2052&version=NIVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBynw9Isr28
>>43002511whats it like to Be defined? ima be a becoming only forever yo, soon as one the plan pertends to to know one becomes a man alone
>>43002498>tartarus you mean tartaria אברא כדברא >Well, if someone who isn't actively in psychosis would like to post>actively in psychosisBrother youre such a NPC GOLEMyou avoided equationsthat would illuminateyour ignorance and arrogance. >>43002379What does it mean to be a Deva?What does it mean to be an Asura?Why do their roles as Pro/An-tagonistalter depending on religion.?Who is Mitra-Varuna; and why are they so important?Who is Rahu Ketu; and why are they so important?How is Indra, an ant?What does Mount Mandara have to do Shesha and Vishnu?What does Vasuki and Nandi represent in relation to Shiva?Who where the people known for dying their skin blue;the same people whose mummies are found all over the world?What is the real color of Shivas hair?
>>43002516>whats it like to Be defined?Transient Evolution no such thing as solid definition all is moving always >imaYes?>be a becoming only forever yo,ALready AM>soon as one the plan pertends to to know one becomes a man alone1+X=X
>>43002520>tartariaspeak english barbarian, clearly you mean a man of the east in high court germanic[period] butt-fuck the cacusasus im pure númenórean>https://youtu.be/kivuDS-6HbQ?si=INZKg8dKNsJvmNYI
>>43002529>1+x=xcause only 1 = .99999_, way to say nothing >>43002060less bullshit pls more vibz https://youtu.be/TNqw1ayK56Y?si=4u8lA-NXEhxXHF51
>>43002511also it shoud not need to be said but as a man of this earth i shall consume all the trees, blame the bad long man treevor the failed mas-sun who faild mas missun if you dislike this outcome.(mang ive been on a shit posting binge today and ive narry a captcha in the lot)
>>43002530In Persian (tātār, meaning "mounted messenger" or courier),In Chinese, the term was recorded as Tantan or>Dadan.As Genghis Khan united the nomadic tribes in the 13th century, Persian and Arabic historians adopted the word as تاتار (Tātār)to refer broadly to the invading Mongol-Turkic armies. In Persian, the word also took on the secondary meaning of "mounted messenger" or "courier"The word entered Ottoman Turkish as tاتار (Tatar) In the Ottoman Empire, it acquired the specialized occupational meaning of "court messenger" or courier(ulak) alongside its use as an ethnic identifier.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqJXxHi6RwQ>The most common and standard Chinese word pronounced dàdǎn is 大胆 (traditional: 大膽), which means "bold," "daring," or "audacious"DaDanAlso means Great Elixir / Great DaneHistorically refers to the ultimate alchemical "golden elixir" (Jindan)sought by Taoists for immortality.In modern language, it is also the literal translation for the Great Dane dog breed.>It also means Carrying Pole from which the noodles get their name. >AND Cinnabar / Vibrant Red>>42857457 IYKYK
>>43002567Whoops thought i was linking a more recent thread https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/42857128/#q42857457
>>43002567i read ever word and have no contrarian comments, pls do babar next.
>>43002567my father was newfoundland basque, he looked Just like this.
>>43002587>pls do babar next.you mean oyu r s elf?1+.9999=1.9999this equation !=1+X=XWhich is a fractal that has no absolute definition aside from static scaling.Static sculling being a pattern one can map to better predict/craft the future. But if one thinks they have the answer the answer will change.
There are iron barsAnd wooden tars Tar like Erin AryanMeaning both people and wood
>>43002603you seem to know some shit beyond ones common babble. was genghis khan alexander the great?
>>43002603oh and rule is for plebz context is 4 kangz>>43000605
>>43002593Proof he wasn't white just a hapa, hispanic, latin north african, central asian black sea mix(they are all over there).Don't be mad basques are mixed.
>>43002445>but but… colonialism! Not to be that guy but an independent India (since the late 1940s) has had decades to replace, expand, maintain, and adapt its infrastructure. So why is it still known for being a nation of street shitters while monsoon-prone countries like Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia and Vietnam have fairly sophisticated infrastructure to handle that and people generally have proper toilets to shit in? They’re much smaller and yet seem to be much better in terms of quality of life. Maybe that explains why they mostly threw away their old Hindu beliefs in favor of the truthnvke that was Buddha. I mean you can’t blame the British for your own stupidity. Sorry, that isn’t really how it works in the 2020s now. Why can’t the Hindus get their shit together and build a better and cleaner world for themselves before professing some kind of superiority to the rest of the world? Why can’t you people see the truth Buddha laid before you and understand you threw it away for the incomplete picture of the various “vedic” traditions?
>>43002605They both where extremely horny nero-typicals.The budha had the choice of becoming one HIM self.But he chose the other hand and became a religion instead. As he taught that conquering oneself,is far greater than conquering a thousand men in battle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPdPjWkJZF8There was a great AI video on the paths of the Cosmic Egg but i cant find it. O well...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann
>>43002617>Not to be that guy but an independent India (since the late 1940s) has had decades to replace, expand, maintain, and adapt its infrastructure. Yes, I already said as much in the bottom of my post. You gotta read the whole thing before you respond. >Sectarianism I don't understand why you're trying to introduce sectarian trolling in what's supposed to be a neutral thread that's just supplying information.
>>43002437
>>43002629Also, as far as the other southeast Asian countries...yes. I feel like you're trying to get a rise out of me, but you're exactly right on the fact that India has had years to adapt and change its infrastructure. They could've remade into a paradise but they just haven't. Colonialism did a lot of damage, but the reality is that India is the one fucking itself over now. They have been for years. The government is hopelessly corrupt.
>>43002622thank you for your answer, synchronous synchronicities are fun!>>43000605>i cant find it.parse be, sall good mano
>>43002640>>43002632fortune is hard, i meant to link this, i dont even know how i solo posted the wrong post and ended up with a previous copy pasta in the textual reply ><
>>43002640The fae hate iron anon...
>>43002656you dubith me tartarian but >pure númenóreanall barbarian *he lied....*>7/8ths, grandpappy alexander eloped with his isralie art school gf, mah mothers mothers mother, thank fuck im uncut
>>43002669I dub you a extremely hubristic retard fucking around.One that has made a good muse.
>>43002656https://youtu.be/PcR8I-7oCnU?si=3I7hSU95VgvHC0Ao>more tunesyou want a please? i ask cause i respect your taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzpZov-VFLk
>>43002676epicurean hedonisms is the best way for a man of this earth to achieve domain expansion >https://youtu.be/qToD8RKpYQc?si=yb9VrsYXeB2_oiAh
>>43002679thank you
>>43002680also for the fun of ill-ome[n]ation i just googled bris. honestly and earnestly jew king thank you for the chuckle
>>43002679https://youtu.be/0FRlJkUSKv8?si=26V-c6TFTM0WQQJz
me feels if one lives true dharma, all chaos and pollution can be remedied, without politics, without relying on industrial substances (plumbing, synthetic fertilizers, sugars, salts)me like movie Nausicaa of the valley of the wind, non-hurting is the core of dharma>>43002669wow nice organic iron armorgood strength and protection will come to youonly if you post "stay safe mr. mussel"
talking to yourself againvery illuminating kek
JUST BE VEGANSWALLOW AIR INTO YOUR BELLYBLUE ESIENHOWER NOVEMBER
>>43002726i shall not comply, the iron snail lives at the bottom of the ocean on vulcanic vents, it has no genes you lack if you include ones inactivated "junk" dna.............you ones of those blue blooded el'ves (https://youtu.be/mG9Hxo8J8J0?si=WVKjO5txljO17INE), can you answer better then the lesser key chud i asked?>>43000185
>>43002736/exhales carbon waist endlessly in your general directionwhat if a man needs more then BENis?
>>43002629Great the Dysgenic Tard is Going to Spam the Thread Talking To Himself To Try And Dog Walk Golems Intro Retardation >what's supposed to be a neutral thread that's just supplying information.What does it mean to be a Deva?What does it mean to be an Asura?Why do their roles as Pro/An-tagonistalter depending on religion.?Who is Mitra-Varuna; and why are they so important?Who is Rahu Ketu; and why are they so important?How is Indra, an ant?What does Mount Mandara have to do Shesha and Vishnu?What does Vasuki and Nandi represent in relation to Shiva?Who where the people known for dying their skin blue;the same people whose mummies are found all over the world?What is the real color of Shivas hair?
>>43002765Im a tree nigger i feed off your retardation. Now go get a job... ;)
>>43002774then im an iron rod that needs naught from you wholeno
>>43002774https://youtu.be/CFssk-6WCFE?si=39J8OOAZW4BgihpX>even the fallen conduct heavens plan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j1nhr7v8YA
>>43002789everyone one on the the short bus was CHOSEN to be there hun >https://youtu.be/512LdocMZnI?si=lOrFezaev_j7rfvn
>>43002795you sound like my "special" ex
>>43002802whyd she fuck you off?
>>43002814Because she was a slut for seamen and i have very large balls.
>>43002754>i shall not complyno problem bro, strength and safety to you will come!>it has no genes you lack if you include ones inactivated "junk" dnawhatever they term "junk" must be an intelligence response of nature just waiting to unravel. yes makes sense. thanks for shares
>>43002821ya ever into eric winestines shit on evolutionary physigomy? tldr 3 strats 1 intimate pare bonding, ensuries the highest fideliting domain to minimize cortisoal indicative by post youth facial beauty. strat 2, pump and dump hook ups indicatided by youthfull bodily hotness but a face that ages like milk in the sun. strat 3, rape, primary traits, and ugly face and large simian ballz indicating the maximum of pump and dump bestiual usery>jewkingcolor me unsuprised
>>43002833nice 3s , junk dna was ignorantly codified by poor quality material reductionists who concluded only dna currently encoding for proline synthesis ie active dna mattered, ie those who never considered the contex of ones life could activate and deactivate the serpent chained at the heart of ones cells with endless morphogenetic potential.>https://youtu.be/mHak9EZjySs?si=P21iEyNKgP_S-Eg_
>>43002838anon you realize using sesquipedalian dialogue to seem smart is like wearing extra baggy clothing to seem large
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YO5ruvFSCU
>>43002856anon you realize you dont have to posture, one of 2 things is possible, i know what im referencing or i dont, if you dont understand what im referencing ask questions and find the fuck out for yourself.
>>43002856did you know that if one wears baggy clothing it can also hide that one is giga swol
>>43002863Yes cortisol levels that effect physiognomy is purely based on how one breedsrapist are ugly and fuck ugly duhand based trad caths avoid stress from their safe relationship which makes them genetically beautiful plus you having big balls actually makes you stupidt small penis having greek logic >>43002870your hiding your tiny prick
>>43002849yeah in the article on bigu fasting (abstaining from grains and produce of industry) there was a story of a lady who fled the empire when it was attacked to the mountains and lived off of pine nuts and resin and never felt cold, heat, wetness... and developed a thick coat of fur over time...you sungaze?
like the only credos to that fuck tarded theoryis that if you have a eugenic mindsetyour most likely going to marry and have kids you take care of then just pump and dumping bitches but if youre a big dude and you pump and dump hot bitches those kids are going to be big and hot and during certain eras having a small cock and tiny frame was considered a eugenic good the chinese where especially crazy about making sure your looks match your career which plays into eugenic hierarchy/warfare The entire world is known for breeding certain traits into priest/king classes to separate them from the plebs
>>43002918((which plays into eugenic hierarchy/warfare))something the pleb world is turning a huge blind eye to
>>43002900living off nothing but pine resinis how monks mummify themselves alive the pine resin kills off the bacteria which breaks you down the same bacteria that makes it so you can break food down Make sure to swallow air into your belly be vegan and microwave your cellphones to charge themalso mic bleach with ammonia and blow air bubbles in the mixture to make magic crystals
>>43002918> pump and dump hot bitches those kids are going to be big and hotnein frauleinthis is why i mentioned the epicurean domain, puberty is a cortisol induced stress response induced by the pituatry via rampant apoptosis, ie when one is dying too much to sustain growth is no longer possible the body switches from a paradigm of growth to one of seeding and death therefore if one wants large offspring the creation of a low cortisol domain is paramount.t númenórean giant.
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>>43002937Again anon using sesquipedalian dialogue to seem smartis like wearing extra baggy clothing to seem largei get that you groom teenage girls on discord with this type of bullshit but it doesn't work on me Everything you just said is absolute word salad nonsense that contradicts itself the only thing that was even close to authentic and accuratewas that environments that are plentiful in nutrientstend to be less cortisol inducing but even saying thats close to what you where trying to present is retardedJESUS CHRIST YOURE A RETARD ANON lol
>>43002956everything i said was constructed with intention and meaning>if you dont understand what im referencing ask questions and find the fuck out for yourself.you didnt, your box is small
Smarttard noticesThat Eugenic Dynasty's are Eugenic((Youre Only Jewish If Your Mom Is)) --Mater semper certa est--Makes up some smartarded theory about how it has to do with not being a rapist chud. LMAO Shapeshifting Lizard People Be Like
>>43002956ps, im 2 cubits in height, gold haired, grey gold eyed with a gorgeous chiseled arian bone structure. i wear clothing many sizes too large for my frame cause i dont want to advertise mah fridgebro to physique
>>43002963Anon according to your logic if you want giant kids you should feed them puberty blockers. No wonder you're so insecure about the small prick and balls.
>>43002971mums mums mums mums mum all the way back to the first daughter of solomon. i wish we didnt have common ground (is alisin sleeping any better these days?)
>>43002980i wish you didnt think we had common groundi look so far down on you its silly
>>43002978why would you assume an abundance of synthetic hormones with out the appropriate shipping and handling instructions would be anything but harm inducing?>No wonder you're so insecure about the small prick and balls.im huge doe
>>43002986Also it was SOLOMONS WIFE that was important not his daughters
>>43002986and yet youve yet to demonstrate you see anything beyond your preconceptions.>i wish we didnt have common groundyou fail to even conjure original critiques
>>43002991............................................................................whered they cum from?>>43002498(you can skip the yeastie speach)
Three hours of one guy spamming the thread so no one can use it.
>>43003002like you wont make another. theres no need to pretense newfaggotry here.
>>43003015>What does it mean to be an Asura?>>43002754what dose it mean kang>
No, I mean three hours of you spamming the thread so that it's completely unusable. You decided that if I wasn't going to immediately respond to you, you'd spend three hours absolutely flooding the thread with spam so that nobody else could navigate it. Part of why I didn't respond to you to begin with was that the way you formatted your questions to begin with were low effort, a couple don't even make sense, and they were all paired up with the schizobabble image that tries to equate Shiva and Hebrew gematria as somehow being interrelated when, frankly, they aren't. I figured responding to you was a bad idea because you were likely waiting for an opportunity to spam. And I was right. You have been spamming nonsense for literally hours.
>>43003043if you actually had something to say the merit of your words alone would rise above the spam
How the fuck is anyone supposed to find my posts through your spam? That's bullshit and you know it, because you're trolling on purpose. Nobody is going to stay around to sift through three hours of one guy flooding the thread with nonsense, non stop, with seemingly no intention to stop any time soon. When someone fills a thread with spam, it makes every other post next to it blend in with the spam. People generally don't want to stay around to try and figure out of any of the posts there are worthwhile. They leave and hide the thread so they can proceed on with their day. You are absolutely doing this on purpose. I don't know why you are so intent on trying to make the thread completely unusable until people simply shift-click and ignore it, but that seems to be what you're doing.
I was interested in this thread until that faggot started spamming negro tier esotericism in it.
>>43003058you mean me preventing you from dog walking people into retardation>what's supposed to be a neutral thread that's just supplying information.What does it mean to be a Deva?What does it mean to be an Asura?Why do their roles as Pro/An-tagonistalter depending on religion.?Who is Mitra-Varuna; and why are they so important?Who is Rahu Ketu; and why are they so important?How is Indra, an ant?What does Mount Mandara have to do Shesha and Vishnu?What does Vasuki and Nandi represent in relation to Shiva?Who where the people known for dying their skin blue;the same people whose mummies are found all over the world?What is the real color of Shivas hair?
>>43003060I don't blame you. He's been at it non stop. I'd like to answer more questions and have interesting dialog on things like yogic symbolism in Hindu art/iconography, brahmanism, pre Hindu trimurti, the shift from brahma worship to visnu, Vedic religion, etc. But there's not any way for me to do that right now without it getting drowned out by him.
>>43003058as one whos managed to find all your posts, your answers are shit. least the spammer has fun with his bullshits
>>43003078((I just want to groom people retardedwhich is why i refuse to answer simple questionsthat illuminate my ignorance/arrogance))
You ARE the spammer. You've been samefagging ever since I refused to answer your post. You've reposted the image of the bull several times now. It is extremely obvious and you have posted clues several times that you're the same person.
>>43003096Normally I would just leave it at that and not respond, i know very well that's part of the tactic here on your end. But holy fuck this is ridiculous. Three hours of insanity, never ending spam. Anytime we try to start actual dialogue on something, you lock into my response and double down on flooding. When I stepped away wholesale from the thread, you took it over and started roleplaying with yourself. This is actual cancer.
>>43003096Anon i already called you out on samefaggingAs >>43003049 aka >>43003078 aka >>43003081 youre just trying to play the reverse uno card to an audience of none psychopaths really look down on the cattle they think cattle cant tell when they 911 themselves for greater gain i mean with the whole ash kin nazi thing.... hard to blame their arrogance
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This is ridiculous. What is your actual angle here? Why the fuck are you so desperate to chase away everyone from the thread??? It's extremely obvious you're samefagging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbcs5Vb77mM
>>43003109>>43003103you both just made the same error, get a fucking room and spend the day sitting on eachothers faces cunts, you deserver one another
>>43003142>>43003153Anon what did i say about the tricks oyu use to manipulate discord girls dont work on me.
>>43003169occasionally your words have merit, i know you can do better.
>>43003181Get fucked poser
>>43003169would it help if i spoke your gay derivative language?
>>43003198You tried and where really bad at it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_the_birds
>>43003190>>43003198
>>43003142also lets take a moment to lo'ello at that guy who has to work to live and cant shitpost the day up as he desires.
Pho who?Just do itI guess >>43003214(אַתְּ) איטי איטי
>>43003228>(אַתְּ) איטי איטיoh'kay
>>43002500It is not possible to limit oneself to talking only about Hinduism since it has been historically influenced by other cultures. They were part of a larger group called the Proto-Indo-Iranians who split geographically. One group migrated to India (the Indo-Aryans), while the other settled in the Iranian plateau (the Proto-Iranians).Centuries after this physical separation, a profound religious and philosophical revolution occurred in both regions, effectively creating a mirror image where what one group considered holy, the other considered demonic.Zoroastrianism (motheistic) views the Hindu gods (devas) as demons or gods who deceive humanity (avesta), and the Hindu demons (asuras) as the forces of good (ahura).We can conclude that Indians and Iranians each chose one side and created a mythology where their belief is considered correct and the other evil.Which side would you choose? From a Gnostic perspective (spiritual pessimism), they would say that both positions are harmful.>>43002500
Le old ill answer each questionextremely far apart from each other 1 by 1 that way i cant be called out on not answering themand no one can chain the information together in a cognitive way
>>43003346Old feuds between the priest castes got mythologized.Hope everybody learns to get along w each other someday.
>>43003404https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXoWNe_HAak
>>43003346Finally a good post >It is not possible to limit oneself to talking only about Hinduism since it has been historically influenced by other cultures. They were part of a larger group called the Proto-Indo-Iranians who split geographically. One group migrated to India (the Indo-Aryans), while the other settled in the Iranian plateau (the Proto-Iranians).Yes! Well, here's where things get interesting. "Hinduism" itself is actually rather new in terms of Vedic religions. Like you said, the indo-iranians used to be one group who split apart. This has connections also to, in some effect, the indo-europeans as much as the indo-aryans & proto Iranians. This is where talking about Vedic religion becomes fun, because we can start getting into the religious culture and customs of these people and the harappan/indus valley and how it's changed. >Zoroastrianism (motheistic) views the Hindu gods (devas) as demons or gods who deceive humanity (avesta), and the Hindu demons (asuras) as the forces of good (ahura).So, Ill count this as a Hindu question...it's not that easy. Zoroastrianism itself isn't really monotheist. This is a new development being plastered onto it due to geopolitical pressure from Christian & Islamic forces. Zoroastrianism is dualistic and monolatrous. The reality is it's not as easy as saying that they simply switched around which one is good and which one is bad. The zoroastrians actually have a few Indian devas in their retinue of worship, they just call them Ahuras instead. There's one avatar of Krishna they have and enjoy greatly. Mithra is also worshipped in both religions. (Cont)
>>43003427The zoroastrian system when it split off from Vedic religion, evolved a methodology where various divinites would go through a cultural vetting process. Either they ended up as an ahura under Mazda, or a deva under Angra Mainyu. For followers of Vedic religions, Asuras aren't totally bad. Some are good! One of the older terms to invoke all divinities supplicates them all as Asuras. This prayer is still used. Zoroastrianism and Vedic religion aren't inherently opposed. They generally swap around and share divinities more often than youd think. The fighting is more of a modern issue than a historical, clan based one. (They do exist, but theyve changed. Zoroastrians are trying to reform their religion to avoid genocide, so it's more complex now)
>>43003427>>43003430That's one down >what's supposed to be a neutral thread that's just supplying information.What does it mean to be a Deva?What does it mean to be an Asura?Why do their roles as Pro/An-tagonistalter depending on religion.?Who is Mitra-Varuna; and why are they so important?Who is Rahu Ketu; and why are they so important?How is Indra, an ant?What does Mount Mandara have to do Shesha and Vishnu?What does Vasuki and Nandi represent in relation to Shiva?Who where the people known for dying their skin blue;the same people whose mummies are found all over the world?What is the real color of Shivas hair?
>>43003430Now where things get interesting is that we can use the ancient indo-aryans to speak about ancient, pre-historic cultures and how they're recorded to have existed in Vedic context.People don't really realize that Vedic religion itself is a reform religion, which says prior to it another society similar to the Vedic one existed and is now gone. This makes the context of the indo-aryans and proto-iranian split endlessly fascinating, as well as the migrations of the indo-europeans and similar cultures.
>>43003427>>43003430>They were part of a larger group called the Proto-Indo-Iranians who split geographically. One group migrated to India (the Indo-Aryans), while the other settled in the Iranian plateau (the Proto-Iranians).Spot on! The Indo-Iranians split from a common ancestor (sharing roots with the broader Indo-Europeans), setting the stage for both Vedic religion and early Iranian traditions.>Zoroastrianism (monotheistic) views the Hindu gods (devas) as demons... and the Hindu demons (asuras) as the forces of good (ahura).Be careful here. While the linguistic flip (daeva = demon in Avestan, deva = god in Sanskrit; ahura = god in Avestan, asura originally meant powerful spirit/lord in early Vedas) is real, Zoroastrian monotheism isn't forced by Abrahamic pressure. Zarathustra centered the religion on Ahura Mazda as the supreme creator. The debate among scholars is over how to classify its intense cosmic dualism alongside lower-level divine beings (Yazatas), but the core monotheism is ancient, not modern.The reality is fascinating: they didn't just play Mad Libs with good and bad guys. Because they share a common root, they retained shared divinities. Mithra (Mitra in the Vedas) is worshiped in both as a guardian of contracts and cosmic order. Other shared figures include Aryaman and Yama (who became King Yima in Persian tradition).Zoroastrianism underwent a prophetic reform that rejected the older polytheistic sacrificial cults shared with early Indo-Aryans, turning older common gods into daevas (false gods). Meanwhile, in later Vedic religion, asuras trended toward becoming malevolent entities, though early Vedic texts still used asura respectfully for supreme gods.Ancient Indo-Aryans and Iranians didn't fight holy wars against each other; their split was geographic, linguistic, and reform-driven.
>>43003485Gonna have to disagree with the monotheism aspect. We know this part isn't true just because of the history catalogued through Persian empire. Monotheism doesn't really form a core to the religion as monotheism is a newer invention. Zoroastrians feel a lot of pressure to monotheize but the actual religion itself regards ahura Mazda as the supreme god, with various deities (not just the yazata, there are other kinds of ahura!) beneath him, acting somewhat as extensions of him. The secondary divinities beneath the yazata are the amesha spenta. Some of which are various Vedic gods, with the list expanding and contracting depending on culture and region. I think now a days, Iranian zoroastrians include a few sufis in the mix. Uhhhh, honestly it's actually a bit similar to what happened initially with Judaism in the levant. Judaism was originally monolatrous and has since evolved into being sole monotheism, while Zoroastrianism still functioning as dualist-monolatry (for now).
>>43003527>Zoroastrianism underwent a prophetic reform that rejected the older polytheistic sacrificial cults shared with early Indo-Aryans, turning older common gods into daevas (false gods). Meanwhile, in later Vedic religion, asuras trended toward becoming malevolent entities, though early Vedic texts still used asura respectfully for supreme gods.Other than the rejection of polytheism I'd say I agree generally. Again zoroastrians are monolatrous, this is different from either rejecting or accepting polytheism. It's a kind of "alter" to polytheism. Where the two split off from, principally, is the fire sacrifice. The yajna. Zoroaster's reforms centered the religion of the Iranians away from mazdaism focusing on Mazda-varuna to a new monolatrous-dualist religion. Alot of this really wound up being about centering the yajna and usage of soma as the principal duty of Persian religious life.They're both doing sort of similar things, insofar as that yogic symbolism is partially retained in zorastrianism and changed. But this yogic symbolism is different from modern Hindu symbolism, insofar as that the symbolism used by zoroastrians relates to the yajna and it's symbolic rendering of the inner fire.
>>43003527>>43003550You've got the machinery completely inverted.1. The Hierarchy is Backwards:You’ve got the Amesha Spentas and the Yazatas flipped. The Amesha Spentas ("Bespoke Immortals") are not beneath the Yazatas they are the supreme, direct archangelic hypostases and primordial emanations of Ahura Mazda himself (embodying concepts like Good Thought, Truth, and Righteous Dominion). They sit at the absolute apex of the spiritual hierarchy. The Yazatas ("those worthy of worship") are the lower-tier genii, angels, and functional divinities (Mithra, Anahita, Atar) that populate the ranks below them.2. Zoroaster Didn’t "Center" the Haoma Cult He Declared War on It:Your claim that Zoroaster’s reform was about doubling down on the yasna and haoma ritual completely misreads his entire prophetic project. Zarathustra wasn't a conservative high priest preserving the old Indo-Iranian party line; he was a radical, iconoclastic revolutionary.He openly attacked the old ecstatic, bloody, animal-sacrificing, and hallucinogenic haoma cults practiced by the rival Karpan (priests) and Kavan (warlords). He didn't center the old rituals he sanitized and moralized them, shifting the focal point from a chaotic tribal booze-and-blood fest to an uncompromising internal war between Asha (truth/cosmic order) and Druj (deception). Later Sasanian orthodox Zoroastrianism inevitably dragged the old folk practices back in, but Zarathustra detested what those ecstatic cults represented.3. The Inner Fire:Where you are entirely correct is the interiority of the fire symbolism. When the ritualized yasna focuses on Atar (fire), it stops being a primitive campfire bribe to the gods and mutates into a psychospiritual technology of mental purity turning the physical flame into an external mirror for the inner spark of divine discernment.
>>43003444Checked *beep-boop*> What does it mean to be a Deva vs. an Asura, and why do their roles flip?* **Deva:** Rooted in the Proto-Indo-European *dyeu* (shining/heavenly), Devas are radiant intelligences maintaining cosmic order (*Ṛta*). In Zoroastrianism, *Daevas* were demoted to dark illusions when Zoroaster purged the old ecstatic storm-cults.* **Asura:** Originally cosmic lords of breath, might, and binding law (shared by early Varuna and the Ahuras). They grew malevolent in later Puranic tiers, while *Ahura* ascended in Persia. It was a profound linguistic and theological divergence, not a petty cartoon swap.> Mitra-Varuna & Rahu-Ketu? How is Indra an ant?* **Mitra-Varuna:** The sovereign dyad of cosmic architecture. Mitra rules the solar covenant of human contracts and harmony; Varuna commands the abyssal, terrifying waters of cosmic law and destiny.* **Rahu & Ketu:** The shadow nodes of the moon. Swarbhanu's severed immortal head (Rahu) and serpentine tail (Ketu) eclipse the luminaries, personifying karmic shadow, illusion, and spiritual awakening.* **Indra, an ant:** In the *Braivarta Purana*, an ego-drunk Indra commands a grand palace. Vishnu, disguised as a boy, reveals a procession of ants—each one an Indra of a previous, dissolved universe, shattering Indra's pride against infinite time.> Mount Mandara, Vasuki, & Nandi?* **Mandara & Vasuki:** During the *Samudra Manthan* (Churning of the Milky Ocean), Mount Mandara served as the churning rod, stabilized by Vishnu’s tortoise avatar (*Kurma*), while the great serpent Vasuki was wrapped around it as the cosmic rope to churn immortality from chaos.* **Nandi:** The sacred white bull representing unshakeable righteousness, raw strength, and total surrender of ego at Shiva’s gate.
> Blue-skinned mummies & Shiva’s hair?* **Blue mummies:** A blend of historical tattooing practices (like Scythian and Celtic warriors utilizing blue woad) and esoteric internet mythos. No ancient human group naturally possessed blue skin.* **Shiva's hair:** Fiery red-brown (*kapardin*) and tawny—**just like Rudra**, the howling Vedic storm-god and lord of the wild from whom Shiva directly evolved, matching his raw, untamed ascetic fire rather than pop-culture blue.
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>>43003579>Hierarchy Really? I'm not sure about that... My understanding was amesha spenta was generally beneath the yazata as they included the fravashi of the dead and various other holy beings, where as the yazata were acting like "fingers" of ahura Mazda. >Zoroaster Didn’t "Center" the Haoma Cult He Declared War on It:The haoma cult is still extremely important in Zoroastrianism, BUT. I will concede he did declare war on the animal sacrifice aspect of it, which at that time in Vedic religion was still, unfortunately, quite common. This was a major sticking point between his reform vs the Vedic religion at the time. Otherwise, the yajna I don't think has ever *not* been central in the worship. Fire and light are linked very extensively to Mazda and are used to represent the inner fire and, ultimately, goodness and purity. It's externalizing the return to Mazda. Lies are burned away for truth. Haoma is also a yazata, worth mentioning. >3. The Inner Fire:Where you are entirely correct is the interiority of the fire symbolism. When the ritualized yasna focuses on Atar (fire), it stops being a primitive campfire bribe to the gods and mutates into a psychospiritual technology of mental purity turning the physical flame into an external mirror for the inner spark of divine discernment.Well yes, the yajna was never supposed to be a bribe. This was a major issue was that at the time of zoroaster, a lot of the religion devolved into ritualism for the sake of ritualism.
>>43003632Let’s clear the air on the hierarchy, because you’re mixing up the executive board with middle management.The Amesha Spentas are not subordinate to the Yazatas. They are the supreme, uncreated hypostases of Ahura Mazda Good Thought (Vohu Manah), Truth (Asha), Sovereign Power, and so on. They aren't just random "holy beings" or ancestral ghosts; they are the literal structural limbs of God’s own consciousness. The Yazatas ("those worthy of worship") are the sprawling cosmic bureaucracy beneath them thousands of lesser divinities, including the Fravashis (ancestor spirits), Atar (fire), and yes, even Haoma himself. Your "fingers of Ahura Mazda" metaphor actually belongs to the Amesha Spentas; the Yazatas are the divine taskforce executing order in the material trenches down below.On the ritual front, however, you check me entirely and you nailed the diagnosis. The system hadn't just become a "bribe"; it had calcified into dead, mechanical wizardry where the Karpan priests traded blood and juice to manipulate the cosmos without a shred of ethical skin in the game. That’s why Zarathustra went scorched-earth on the bloody animal sacrifices while preserving the internal, psycho-spiritual technology of the yasna.Haoma is a Yazata, and that ecstatic plant-communion survived the purge precisely because it could be re-engineered from a tribal party-drug into an inner awakening of divine clarity. You and the ancient reformers are speaking the exact same language here: burning away the dead weight of empty ritualism to find the real fire underneath.
>>43003643Huh, damn, I was completely wrong on the hierarchy. Thanks for clearing that up. It's an area I was apparently weak on! > Haoma is a Yazata, and that ecstatic plant-communion survived the purge precisely because it could be re-engineered from a tribal party-drug into an inner awakening of divine clarity. You and the ancient reformers are speaking the exact same language here: burning away the dead weight of empty ritualism to find the real fire underneath.Yeah, this is an interesting point because that's also what was supposed to be happening in the Vedic analog.This is where we start getting into the question of ancient cultures. Vedic religion starts off telling us that it's a reform, and that prior to it the exact same issue happened. People watered down the religion into nothing and got obsessed with passion/delusion. Vedic religion is the response to that, having been a revival/reform instigated by the sapta rishi and manu. By the time Vedic religion is established, similar thing happens and we start seeing reform and split movements. Such as our friends the Zoroastrians with their focus on spiritual liberation and the abolishing of the blood sacrifice and their resanctification of soma/haoma.
>>43003661both traditions are chronic reform movements masquerading as primordial restorations.They didn't diverge because they hated each other; they diverged because they were both looking at a decaying, spiritually bankrupt ancestral template and desperately trying to rescue it.Look at how the Vedic tradition structures its own mythos. The Saptarishi (Seven Sages) and Manu aren’t just decorative genealogies; they are the cosmic emergency crew deployed at the start of every Manvantara to reboot a world sliding into entropy, passion, and spiritual amnesia. Where it gets fascinating is how the two branches chose to cure the exact same rot:The Iranian Cure (The Prophetic Rupture): Zarathustra looked at the tribal, blood-soaked, ecstasy-addled animal sacrifices of the late Bronze Age steppe and said, burn it down. He slashed the messy polytheism, weaponized dualism, and built an absolute fortress of ethical choice around Ahura Mazda and the sacred fire. It was a top-down, revolutionary software update.The Vedic Cure (The Recursive Cannibalism): The Indo-Aryans initially took the opposite route they doubled down on the hyper-complex, terrifyingly bureaucratic machinery of the Yajna and external sacrifice, treating the ritual as the literal engineering code holding the universe together. But look at what happens the Upanishads arrive and systematically cannibalize the entire ritual structure from the inside out. They declare that the gods are just masks, and the real altar is the breath (Prana) and the self (Atman).Both traditions diagnosed the exact same disease ritualism rotting into dead magic and moral blindness. Iran built an absolute moral binary to purge the lie; India built an infinite, metaphysical mirror maze to dissolve the illusion.You’re looking at two branches of the same family tree staring at the same burning house and running out opposite doors, each convinced their fire extinguisher was the right one.
>>43003661In India and generally the harappan, the Vedic peoples undergo several reforms from within. Though we don't see a complete ban on animal sacrifice until we enter the Hindu era of Vedic religion. This isn't to say it (blood sacrifice) was flat out accepted always, but it was fairly common even with Vedic practitioners critiquing it as a distortion of earlier practices for the yajnas. The Sravakas wound up being the final reason they abolished the blood sacrifice. But we see Vedic religion beginning to move away from this when the latest development of the vedas (the upanishads) manifests and ritual life gets resubsumed back into yoga and not simply rote performance of gesture. Though at that point the Vedic religion split down the middle between lay ritual specialist yogis and wandering ascetic yogis. With a wide birth of many things between the two.
The really secret is knowing what religion is really about and for.
>>43003687>Look at how the Vedic tradition structures its own mythos. The Saptarishi (Seven Sages) and Manu aren’t just decorative genealogies; they are the cosmic emergency crew deployed at the start of every Manvantara to reboot a world sliding into entropy, passion, and spiritual amnesia. Yes exactly. This itself winds up being metaphoric of the process of death/birth/rebirth and ultimately enlightenment. More of that mythos as yogic symbolism.> Where it gets fascinating is how the two branches chose to cure the exact same rot: (etc)Interesting points raised. More to think about.>Gods are masks This isn't QUITE accurate but it's also not inaccurate either. The devas are quasi-literal. It's a bit similar to how uh, archetypes are treated by jung. If a regional or family deity gets considered as ishvara, then that applies immediately. But that necessitates getting into brahman with form and brahman without form. How they (devas) are considered in the scale of literalism differs dependent on region and lineage... but it's notable that prana and Atman are always important within the Vedic religion. The issue arrose in the early period with people ignoring prana-atman for ritual that had become devoid of mindfulness that makes it functional. But like you said, upanishad yogis here saw a decaying ancestral template and called for its revival. That was a great point. >>You’re looking at two branches of the same family tree staring at the same burning house and running out opposite doors, each convinced their fire extinguisher was the right one.>It's a bit extreme as a position I think, but I can see your point and I'll have to mull it over a lot when the thread is done. Ritual is important, but dead ritualism is a problem.
>>43003755>>43003764>Ritual is important
>>43003789>>Look at how the Vedic tradition structures its own mythos. The Saptarishi (Seven Sages) and Manu aren’t just decorative genealogies; they are the cosmic emergency crew deployed at the start of every Manvantara to reboot a world sliding into entropy, passion, and spiritual amnesia.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apkallu
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