>>43009452
> Kundalini
https://ia801602.us.archive.org/35/items/folder-20230407-20/Kundalini%20Tantra.pdf
88(start here)--> https://www.baytallaah.com/bookspdf/jonn%20mumford%20-%20chakra%20&%20kundalini%20workbook%20%5Bocr%5D.pdf <--(start here)88
https://archive.org/details/BiologyOfKundalini_201903/page/n28/mode/1up
https://maypoleofwisdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/ajit-mookerjee-kundalini-the-arousal-of-the-inner-energy.pdf
https://ia801902.us.archive.org/2/items/KundaliniEnergyOfTheDepthsLilianSilburn/Kundalini%20Energy%20of%20the%20Depths%20-%20Lilian%20Silburn.pdf
https://www.scribd.com/document/848500622/Kundalini-Psychosis-or-Transcendence-text
>I don't want to read some scitzo bs
Here is an academic esc reference https://www.theosophy.world/sites/default/files/ebooks/Goswami/Laya-Yoga%20by%20Shyam%20Sundar%20Goswami_0.pdf

>>43009453
>Vril/other
https://dn721604.ca.archive.org/0/items/bruce-robert-new-energy-ways/Bruce%2C%20Robert%20-%20New%20Energy%20Ways.pdf
88(start here)--> https://ia803200.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/26/items/ebook-buddhism-2/EBOOK%20BUDDHISM%202.rar&file=EBOOK%20BUDDHISM%202%2FSUDAH%2FNOVICE%2FENG%2FUpasaka%20Culadasa_The%20Mind%20Illuminated.pdf <--(start here)88
right concentration a practical guide to the jhanas (on annas library)

>research
https://monoskop.org/images/c/c9/Becker_Robert_Selden_Gary_The_Body_Electric_Electromagnetism_and_the_Foundation_of_Life.pdf
Your Electro-Vibratory Body: A Study of the Life Force As Electro-Vibratory Phenomena by Victor R. Beasley
anatomy trains by Tom Myers
(i will add more)

>>43009456
If this doesn't fit your taste you can find search for them here

(warning like 50Gb (selectively downland what you want)
Energy Healing
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:ddef332eb2e7b45b7d50f6924f2ff73fe6141557&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fconcen.org%3A6969&dn=Theoccult.click+Content+Leaked+%28Part14%29+EnergyHealing&xl=68476885815

(warning like 300Gb (selectively downland what you want)
Taoism, Daoism
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:d6cc2a6223094d53986ab5f4bdc826248922d262&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fconcen.org%3A6969&dn=Theoccult.click+Content+Leaked+%28Part21%29+Taoism+Daoism&xl=26439638413

TLDR: Just practice/partake in: fasting, a raw diet, overt-generosity, celibacy, compassionate action, breathwork, meditation and adventure

Pervious thread:>>42905378 (Its been a long time since we have been able to actually link the previous thread not through the archive :))

>>43009460
For beginners
IMPORTANT
***********
GOAL: Master stillness
************
IMPORTANT

>>43005010
>Kinda hard to do when the different traditions can't even agree on how you're supposed to breath
esoterically no
But exoterically yes; the foundations are the same in almost all traditions

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any bipoc friendly guides for melanated folx?

>>43009780
you can basically be any race and cultivate, it doesn't really matter.

Where your race may really matter is if you are serious serious about this kind of stuff. Only because masters don't want to disclose traditional secrets to anyone which isn't their own race and they especially don't want the next heir of their tradition to be a African or a European when it could be the race they are.
But other than that, it doesn't really matter

>>43009846
I cant breathe

try this:
>stand up straight, arms by your side
>breath in
>hold your breath
>as you're holding the breath flex your entire body
>clench fists, squeeze your abs, etc.
>relax and breath out
>repeat 10 times or so

>>43009963
how about no, I'm going to just stick to basic lotus stiting

May all beings find happiness.
May all beings find joy.
May all beings find inner-peace.
May all beings have a strong life-force.
May all beings be healthy.
May all beings never feel alone.
May all beings find companionship.
May all beings find the correct medicines.
May all beings ask for and accept healing.
May all being forgive others.
May all beings forgive themselves.
May all beings work out their frustrations.
May all beings not blame themselves.
May all beings not blame others.
May all beings accept their faults.
May all beings accept their weaknesses.
May all beings let their problems go.
May all beings work towards improved sanitation world-wide.
May all beings help the impoverished.
May all beings die with dignity.
May all beings never feel abandoned.
May all take a deep breath.
May all beings have clean water.
May all beings put an end to starvation.
May all beings keep a sharp mind.
May all beings dwell on the positive.
May all beings avoid disease.
May all beings avoid toxins.
May all beings avoid pain.
May all beings avoid hunger.
May all beings avoid sickness.
May all beings avoid depression.
May all beings avoid self-doubt.
May all beings avoid mental illness.
May all beings avoid self-criticism.
May all beings avoid stress.
May all beings avoid anger.
May all beings avoid sin.
May all beings avoid attachments.
May all beings avoid ignorance.
May all being avoid lust.
May all beings avoid greed.
May all beings avoid envy.
May all beings avoid jealousy.
May all beings avoid hate.
May all beings all beings avoid condemnation.
May all beings avoid sloth.
May all beings avoid killing.
May all beings avoid self-pity.
May all beings avoid untimely death.
May all beings avoid addiction.
May all beings avoid evil.
May all beings discover those who will help them.

>>43009477
>breathing through the nose only is the same as nose and mouth
>unbroken breath cycle is the same as specific holds.
>breathing silently is the same as breathing audibly

No

>>43009452
Thank you anon. Lots of anons need this right now.

>>43010875
these "prayers" are insufferable...

>>43012349
>wanting good things for people is insufferable
you're not cut out for this thread, go whine and complain somewhere else

>>43010967
>breathing through the nose only
For foundational practices its the majority
>unbroken breath cycle
Majority
>breathing silently
Majority

>>43012922
>box breathing etc isn't common


None of your claims are accurate

>>43013038
Within cultivational practices such as qigong/tantric meditation smooth long breathing from the nose is foundational for these practices, while box breathing isnt considered foundational, please stop talking about stuff you are not educated on.

>>43013038
>box breathing etc isn't common
it helps if you dont make up things to reply to

>>43013111
It's not my fault you can't follow the chain of posts

>>43010967
>>unbroken breath cycle is the same as specific holds.

Which was met with the usual pointless dunning kruger dogma.

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>>43012914
the "prayer" is insufferable on a visceral level, not what it represents. ChatGPT AI slop has more soul than that mindless repetition which makes my mind screech in torment

>>43013202
yes, wishing people to be will is so FUCKING insufferable!!!

Punch that Buddhist, hell yea show him what's up!

>>43013097
>such as qigong

Within the greater context of qigong buddhist systems usually breath out through the mouth while taoist systems say the mouth is only for eating. This is considered "foundational" material under both paradigms

>>43013209
the "prayer" is insufferable on a visceral level, not what it represents. It makes my blood boil and my skin crawl. There are endless of these utter garbage "prayers". may all of those "prayers" spend 90 quadrillion aeons in naraka

>>43013212
>qigong buddhist systems usually breath out through the mouth
>This is considered "foundational"
Source please? Any Buddhist text? and can you show that this is the conscience among Buddhist qigong practitioners

>>43013209
my experience when i see it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEucLZLMkac

>>43013220
>the "prayer" is insufferable on a visceral level,
we're sorry you were abused and traumatized by someone you trusted

>>43016359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAciOOsftoA
practicerelated?

>>43012349
Then express yourself instead in your prayers. Some wish selfishness and harm on this world, ALL live lifetimes as evil deities. Harness that against the Jews and aliens, mortgage yourself into PSYCHIC AND SPIRITUAL DOMINANCE n by connecting your very body even, as well as mind and spirit, to other lifetimes of yours and people you have and will meet. For high spiritual pay too.

>>43017378
this is just some hypothesizing from people who didnt make accomplishments, but read about some old esoteric stuff and interpreted it
they dont even distinguish between initiated thought and random, spontaneous thought
its a key distinction that undercuts his argument
there is an energetic basis for random thoughts to arise
the generation of a random thought is itself an internal energy balancing mechanism
animals without a ruminating mind, you see them wagging their tails as their balancing mechanism
the root of this lies in the neural activity of sense processing
I've described this many times here
when the awareness is well harnessed, most of the energy of the moment is well utilized
when the awareness is poorly harnessed, much of the energy more or less stagnates and builds up
this takes place at the seat of awareness in the midbrain
when the stagnated energy builds up to a sufficient level, it then is able to jump into the cerebrum and a random thought is the result
this is why most people cant keep their minds still, because they have no other trained outlet
with proper meditative training, one learns to focus the awareness, using up more of this energy
there is a constant interplay of conscious & subconscious process, the more inefficient, the more energy remainder is left over
as the subconscious is refined and executes breathing and sense type stuff in a more efficient manner, the energy remainder doesnt build as fast
eventually one is able to get to a stage where keeping the awareness stays ahead of the building of the energy remainder, resulting in a calm, clear, random thought free mind
there's only one way I know this is all true, because I have accomplished it many times over
and the many times over part means this is a matter of conditioning, fall out of practice and the inefficiencies return, the mind chatter returns
its just the way it is

Thoughts on the Yellow Emperor Classic?

>>43017733
its a difficult book to understand well
one would have to read it a hundred times before being able to understand it remotely well
but its full of very interesting insights
although I dont think we've encountered coomers here who overdid it so bad that it resulted in the relative inability to digest foods properly

>>43017614
it's crazy but that's the way it goes
you fall and rise to fall and rise
your juice does not only suffice
but overflows and overflows

>>43017924
>I dont think we've encountered coomers here who overdid it so bad that it resulted in the relative inability to digest foods properly

Holy shit that’s me. Does gooning really make digestion that bad????

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>>43018367
Yes
>>43017924
It takes me a bunch of times to understand anything properly anyway. This first pass has already started interestingly. I am falling in love with ancient Chinese stuff, I'm an involuntary chinkaboo. So much gold.
>Doubting the extent of self-injury achieved by coomers here
You don't think so?

>>43018367
it means that eventually you beat up your jing so bad that your body starts sacrificing resources for your internal organs to keep making sex fluids
first to get hit are things like hair, sinews
its also why that brazilian kid that beat off like 26 times in a day died of a heart attack

>>43018624
>You don't think so?
I know they're out there but perhaps I havent really delved too much in their stories, wherever it is they wind up arising
its usually not really in a cultivation context
but if you get to the stage of cultivation where you are working deeply with the jing
and that's a difficult stage to describe getting to, I took other paths but have some interesting friends
but screwing things up in that way basically becomes much more harmful as the stages progress deeper
anyone who's beat themselves up in this way should not ever do neidan and seek other paths for this lifetime

>>43018697
>>43018624
>but screwing things up in that way basically becomes much more harmful as the stages progress deeper
>anyone who's beat themselves up in this way should not ever do neidan
Screwing things up how, exactly? Or how badly, exactly? What exactly do you mean that it becomes much more harmful as the stages progress?
>Deeply working with the jing
Could you attempt to describe what you mean by this stage?
Thank you

>although I dont think we've encountered coomers here who overdid it so bad that it resulted in the relative inability to digest foods properly
That is, floating or pale stool, bloating after meal, hair is lost and not regrowing, body is decaying despite nutrition? Does this also refer to being in the grips of coomerdom, or even to a post-coomer who has calmed such issues and been able to recover and heal?
>but if you get to the stage of cultivation where you are working deeply with the jing
>and that's a difficult stage to describe getting to, I took other paths but have some interesting friends
Jing to qi stages of inner phenomena, dramatic-like? (Not that I have experienced these)
>but screwing things up in that way basically becomes much more harmful as the stages progress deeper
Does this refer to practicing with a leaky vessel? Cannot tcm help repair such leaks? Or is there an extent of damage you are referring to that is beyond even the repair methods of tcm?
>anyone who's beat themselves up in this way should not ever do neidan and seek other paths for this lifetime
If one has beat themselves up, how would one know they have not beaten themselves up beyond hope of neidan pursuit?

>>43009865
I can't believe no one appreciated your setup and punchline. these cultivators are dull.

>>43021167
>these cultivators are dull.
I'm sorry anon:(

Serious question: At this point most people aware of sexual energies know that ejaculating depletes it, and also know that women "glow" after receiving cum from their men. What happens energetically/spiritually if you eat your own cum? Not interested in any morality shit or how "gross" that is, just what actually happens, as it is still absorbed into your being, albeit its no longer in your balls. There HAS to be difference on some level between just cumming on a sock and eating your nut. Is there any ancient texts talking about this?

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Suffer whatever, learn to scream, suffering is now your bottomless pool potential, be safe/make better.

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Demons be gone, my heart mind gently beholds the light, may you find peace

I am already doing mindfulness meditation, solitude, pranayama and semen retention. Eating plain as well.

In a few words, what else should I be doing?

>>43021395
You shit out poop, plants love it and get more healthier when they have it.
If you have your own poop and you get sick.
There is a place for everything but not everything is its place.

Thats your answerer

>>43021444
>Eating plain as well
Wdym by plain

>In a few words, what else should I be doing?
Keep going

>>43021450
thanks Vaguepost king

>>43021476
This isn't a vaguepost, you are retarded
>Don't eat your cum, it being in your mouth isn't one of its purposes

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>Yet it is said: Those who have the true wisdom remain strong while those who have no knowledge and wisdom grow old and feeble. Therefore the people should share this wisdom and their names will
become famous. Those who are wise inquire and search together, while those who are ignorant and stupid inquire and search apart from each other. Those who are stupid and ignorant do not exert
themselves enough in the search for the Right Way, while those who are wise search beyond the natural limits.
>Those who search beyond the natural limits will retain good hearing and clear vision, their bodies will remain light and strong, and although they grow old in years they will remain able-bodied and flourishing; and those who are able-bodied can govern to great advantage.
Thanks to anons who inquire and search together beyond the natural limits. :)

>>43021503
>Not interested in any morality shit or how "gross" that is

Still no answer. Nice reading comprehension, nigger.

>in the year of our Lord 2026 the henchmen of the powers that be are reduced to attempting to divert divine discourse on anime forums by posting for shekels about cumsocks

>>43021541
Anon you are just too arrogant and foolish.

>Not interested in any morality shit or how "gross" that is
never once did I mention the reason why you shouldn't eat your own cum is because its gross or because of some social norm.
Its was out of prepose. If something is used outside of its prepose all which comes of it is at the least inefficiency and at most harmful.
There is no prepose for your cum to be in your own mouth, it serves no benefit and will only make you sick, its really that simple.

It would be wise not to respond to this and take it with humility

>>43021549
purpose* typo

>>43021549
>It would be wise not to respond to this and take it with humility

So sorry, o wise learned master. My question is WHAT HAPPENS on energetic level if that is done. I get it, cum is not supposed to be used that way.

>>43021548
>reeee stop talking about a specific related topic in a general about energy cultivation!! you are a glowie!

>>43021395
>"invest" a dollar
>receive 3 cents in return
its just highly, highly inefficient to the point that whatever "benefits" there may be are absolutely negated and then some by the upfront cost vs any benefit in return

>>43021636
I already answered that question; don't ask me another question related to this subject, I will not engage with you anymore

>>43021652
He probably assumed that due to the absurdity of the question; the reason why this may be a concern would be because anyone new looking into this general will see stuff like this and associate this practice with such a foolish thing, hence discrediting it and resulting in less people taking part of this profaned practice.

>>43021700
You didnt answer anything, you gave a poor analogue about the human waste product (shit) when asking about the literal opposite, the most cost intensive fluid a male human produces.

I dont care about your replies, you seem arrogant and larp as some enlightened master on a mongolian basked weaving forum.

>>43021728
Anon, ATP if you want to drink your own cum, by all means, go ahead, please, no one is stopping you.

Anyways, I was putting two halves of a walnut together and it occurred to me that maybe the internal organs meaningfully correspond to regions of the brain. Like the gut brain if viewed from the head is like the head brain if viewed from the gut. Got tingly feels when imagining such symmetry connected by a spinal column and a heart/solar plexus. Is it true that the heart is the first electrical signal in embryonic morphogensiss? I'm a dummy on this stuff, so a lot of this is probably wrong, but wowza, creation is poetic af. Like what even are we lol

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Maybe Gödel was right that there's a centuries-old conspiracy to prevent man from becoming more intelligent. What happens if *the raising of awareness itself* goes viral? Oh my! Will sharp sticks, big breasts, and age verification at the OS level be enough to halt the Holy Spirit? What are the polymarket odds?

>>43009452
Om Ganesha Om

>>43020936
>Screwing things up how, exactly?
by not following the narrow path
>What exactly do you mean that it becomes much more harmful as the stages progress?
imagine a bunch of mountain peaks that are linked by bridges and the peaks get progressively higher
you wind up with way farther to fall the higher you go up
>Could you attempt to describe what you mean by this stage?
an important point about chi is that its patterned energy
chi springs forth from the jing
deeper stages of progress affect the body on very deep levels, change certain DNA config
transmutations take place
I'm sure some have heard of the mercury ingestion thing
its fatal unless one has achieved a level whereby it can be transmuted into something not fatal
bottom line, when deep and profound changes are initiated, going back the other way is harmful
as one of my teachers said,
what do you do if you run two trains down the same track at each other?
call up your sister, cuz she's never seen a trainwreck before

>>43021160
>That is, floating or pale stool, bloating after meal, hair is lost and not regrowing, body is decaying despite nutrition?
beyond that, outright vomiting
many things are seemingly casually mentioned in the yellow emperor's classic
>able to recover and heal?
the body has fantastic ability to recover and heal, but one should most definitely not take this as meaning there isnt a point of no return
>Cannot tcm help repair such leaks?
if you've got a good practitioner you're seeing
its a grab bag out there just like with western medicine
many are unable to troubleshoot their way out of a paper bag unless someone's done it before and they have a set of instruction to follow
>If one has beat themselves up, how would one know they have not beaten themselves up beyond hope of neidan pursuit?
this is best ascertained by a potential neidan teacher
consider some of the old vids of Jiang doing those tests on dudes, i.e. pushing chi into their arms or legs to test the openness of the channels, this one guy had one side of his body ok but the other was pretty blocked, he underwent a very expensive series of herbs and such, Jiang did a procedure on him and cupped a mass of shit straight out of his skin, after full recovery the student got the same test on him and both arms reacted properly to the chi ran through them
but if stuff like that doesnt work, they are told sorry you must leave, if you continue this will kill you

>>43021444
sounds like you're a little lacking on the yang side
dont neglect the body, exercise it, yoga it, taichi chigung whatever just make sure youre doing something

>>43021636
>My question is WHAT HAPPENS on energetic level if that is done
you waste a bunch of energy and physical resources for pretty much nothing in return

>The Emperor said: "I should like to be informed on the essential doctrines (of healing)."
>Ch'i Po answered: "The most important requirement of the art of healing is that no mistakes or neglect occur. There should be no doubt or confusion as to the application of the meaning of complexion and pulse. These are the maxims of the art of healing. When those who rebelled against the laws of nature obtained power, the medicines prepared from the topmost branches and roots were no longer given, the divine spirit perished and the country deteriorated. But as soon as the rebels were removed all good practices were revived by the succeeding Spiritual Men who had attained Tao, the right way of life."
>The Emperor said: "I understand the importance and the need for teachers, teachers who can proclaim the theory that one cannot separate the complexion from the pulse—the doctrine which I consider pure wisdom."
>Ch'i Po answered: "The utmost in the art of healing can be achieved when there is unity."
>The Emperor inquired: "What is meant by unity?"
>Ch'i Po answered: "When the minds of the people are closed and wisdom is locked out they remain tied to disease. Yet their feelings and desires should be investigated and made known, their wishes and ideas should be followed; and then it becomes apparent that those who have attained spirit and energy are flourishing and prosperous, while those perish who lose their spirit and energy."
>The Emperor exclaimed: "Excellent, indeed!"

>>43025038
it replenishes energy and physical resources tho except for digestion

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>>43025284
>it replenishes energy and physical resources

>>43025028
>old vids of Jiang
Who is Jiang?

>>43026444
Jiang deez nuts

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>>43026444
deceased thunder path master
he overdid chi expressions and died as a result

>>43026566
>he overdid chi expressions and died as a result
Many such cases

>>43026566
I would be interested in watching some of these videos. Youtube queries are returning heaps of garbage. Got a link to spare?

>>43021960
>Gödel was right that there's a centuries-old conspiracy to prevent man from becoming more intelligent.
first I've heard of this about him but wow what a rabbit hole.

>>43026770
this was the only thing I found that's on yt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zz8JTwvjEo
but in searching, I found...
for a chikung set, there is no better than this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKA5MwD8KHI
but its a bitch to listen to because there's a russian overdub that's louder than the dude's voice

>>43017437
sounds interesting. I dont wish harm, im mostly indifferent. Prayer seems pretty dumb and useless, eating good food has real and tangible effects but its tough to come by... Maybe feast on jews idk

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How does one cultivate negative energy?

>>43032468
Maoshan necromancy

>>43021960
>domesticated means more intelligent
sure thing fat lady

>>43032468
you're using the wrong word
you cultivate yin with superlative stillness

>>43009469
Adding a pepe is a great way to tell everyone it's a worthless shitpost, thanks.

>>43033483
How is stillness going to make me more evil, villainous and wrathful?

>>43033539
without doing the mind work, just working on jing will tend to simply amplify what's already there
wanting to be evil is just dumb, you dont need cultivation to do that

>>43033579
I see, thank you.

Cnergy Eultivation

>>43009452
Literally none of this is real this is all super advance coping mechanisms to ignore reality please stop this already

>>43010875
Btw this is a form of energy cultivation. Lady who did this survived TWO lethal injection doses and now the government has no clue what to do with her.

>>43033825
If you ever wonder why people hate loving kindness so much btw, this is part of why. Western society HATES this stuff because it makes you impossible to govern. It can prolong your life (why the hell do you think so many of the Buddhists live to 90+ years, even when some have horrible diets or diseases?) it can make you beautiful if you perfect it. It can make you physically strong, it brings about joys in your life. It protects against dangers. The more you perfect it, the stronger you become. The less enemies you have, the more your energy and the universe around you will swoop in to give you everything you need.
Various military regimes will try to stop the practitioners from cultivating this if they're on death row, because if they're too good at it they just can't kill them effectively. If they wind up doing it because the practitioner wasn't cultivating it enough, then it causes a "blow-back" effect energetically on the attempted murderers.

It's an amazing practice. I saw other universes doing it once. If I were a better person I'd be more motivated to actually perfect it.

>>43033854
Final note on that, keep an eye on Tennessee. They're gonna have some issues soon, I'm sure of it.

>>43032468
>>43033539
I know this is some xiantia wet dream you're having but for the sake of who knows what i'll bite the hook and maybe someone will benefit.
Greater Yin is the pure, pre-natal form of vital essence which surrounds and regulates the heart fire(emotional energy - Li - lesser yang)
It is the opposite of Greater(pure) Yang which is innate intelligence or intuition in the navel, however they are related as the main ingredients of spiritual(non-dual) energy and the pre-natal components of Spirit.
Yin is important in regulating(cooling down) emotional states, so if there as a disproportionate amount of Yin around the heart it will suppress emotions to the point where one can exhibit psychopathic and sociopathic traits and behavior. The opposite is true of having having too much fire, where one becomes more emotional.
In general jing(vital essence or lesser yin) is the energy of Will, from this you get greater Yang which is the spiritual energy of innate intelligence and disposition/nature.
Li as lesser yang is the energy of emotions and desires, from then greater Yin is the spiritual energy of the soul and it's vitality.
That is why in alchemy the state of Yin descending and Yang ascending produces a spiritual seed on the level of a second Self embodying both innate wisdom and eternal life.

Cultivating them separately one becomes either a coomer/sex fiend or an emotionless psychopath in the making.

>>43033726
Yes yes, anyways have you considered meditating

>>43034238
But is "emotionless psychopathy" really "energetically negative" and "wrathful"? It sounds more like apathy, from what I understand. So, how does one cultivate Yin, and will I become wrathful in doing so? I was advised earlier to express selfishness and harm on malevolent creatures, or embody one myself. I am not sure what the advice exactly meant, but something along those lines. Hence why I'm asking.

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>>43034476
>So, how does one cultivate Yin, and will I become wrathful in doing so?
you'd be better off just going and playing vidya games

>>43034605
I see, thank you.

>>43034476
> It sounds more like apathy, from what I understand.
not wrong
>So, how does one cultivate Yin,
i honestly don't know, in females i know they do it naturally through stopping their menstruation cycle, in males you might have to get castrated lol

>>43034725
>in females i know they do it naturally through stopping their menstruation cycle
slaying the red dragon aint really quite "natural"
>in males you might have to get castrated
/facepalm
besides, I already told yas how you cultivate yin, stillness

>>43034725
Alright so youre just a faggot then

>>43034786
>besides, I already told yas how you cultivate yin, stillness
i was trolling a little bit, but stillness and firing yin is technically still cultivating yang or rather they are still cultivated together and balanced
pretty sure the only thing that naturally draws and condenses pure Yin is the maiden but that's also not cultivating Yin separately,
so as mentioned it's a xiantia "concept" maybe except for actual females

Anyone know info about khechari mudra and anything relating to it?

>>43035058
U. mean become a karen?

>>43009452
What is the end goal of cultivation?

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>>43026816
Gödel's private philosophy insights are pure alpha.
This Secret History series on YouTube by Gary Geck (rip, he abandoned us) has kept me entertained for a decade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGKmrJ4hXc0
At 21min:
>"One can directly see mathematical objects. The same possibilities of thought are open to everyone, so we can take the world of possible forms as objective and absolute. Possibility is observer independent, and therefore real, because it is not subject to our will..."

Video 28 in the series above is an extremely well animated narration of his draft lecture titled on the philosophical development of the foundations of mathematics in light of philosophy, in which he explicitly mentions exactly what he sees is one of the inherent limitations of mechanical 'reasoning': the deepening of understanding of the abstract meaning of concepts themselves, from which understanding spring ever more axioms...(He has so much more on this topic of mind vs machine and absolutely mogs turing here, but the mechanist materialist onanist zeitgeist is unrelenting because the military heroin shekels must flow and corpses must rot God forbid we fucking move forward).

There's even a draft letter to "Tillich" (Paul?) in which he alludes to the validity of religious implications of some of his work. Same letter in which he asserts that one of the constituent parts of reason, which is of its essence, is its self-knowledge. Self-knowledge of reason. ουσία

As well as some banger quotes from a couple books on his thought I've been going through.

I can continue if interested.

>>43027381
Thank ya.

>>43035404
A spiritual body of light that will contain your consciousness after death, so you can escape the cycle of reincarnation and ascend higher astral realms of consciousness or Heavens if you will. It comes with the perks of being integrated with matrix of all reality and creation underlying everything, including Heaven, that would be Dao and also Christ(not the dude).
In essence you'd be eternal and to a large extent, omnipotent at some point, the real doozie is this point probably cannot be reached by only cultivating Dao within the physical realm, but it seems to be an essential step, otherwise you wouldn't incarnate over and over again as a physical being until you achieve something along these lines. The essential part may be that humans are a product of the separation of Spirit, the unity of Yin and Yang in one body, and cultivation being bringing those two energies back together in all their forms within body and consciousness. Here you can argue that there are beings like Angels and Devils that are at the far extremes of this polarity as either beings of pure light or darkness respectively, but that also means they lack something that we don't.
Anyway, once you're on the way you'll start to realize this isn't your first rodeo, you will wonder if something or someone is pushing you along and helping you, or something is trying to torture you in excruciating pain for some reason....It's all you, it's always been and always will be. Hence wuwei, the flow state or non-doing that represents xiantian path of cultivating Spirit... It's Spirit cultivating itself.

>>43035058
>stillness and firing yin is technically still cultivating yang
only insofar as yang easily rises to match the level of yin cultivated
you're too fixated on females

>>43035630
>the real doozie is this point probably cannot be reached by only cultivating Dao within the physical realm
per my studies and experience, this can only be done to its full extent within the physical realm, for it is the merger of the physical and spirit that does it
simply cultivating to a level where there's a spirit vehicle proper isnt necessarily a full achievement, but it is certainly an achievement

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>>43036236
That might indeed be so, but my ideas revolve around "shedding the husk" by converting all Yin of the physical body into spiritual energy, as confirmed by accounts of the Rainbow body. The question that arises there is if that is the point of ascension or can you simply rebuild a new body and continue to cultivate or ascend and then continue to cultivate.
Is merging with Dao the end of cultivation or the start?
Does it even have a beginning or and end, do eternity and infinity differentiate?
Is immortality the realization that time is not linear?
shit like that

>>43037633
I think gravity is to the physical plane as love is to a higher one. Love transcends time and space. Like the physical is the outer layer which births the forms intended by a realm of infinite depth underneath and all around it. Free fall. It'll make sense and self-accelerate in the proper direction as the way is followed. Methinks

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>>43009452
how bad is a deviated septum for energy cultivation?

>>43038883
not optimal but still doable; how bad is it?

Hey what's up anons.

I have a real heck of a question to ask today, and it's one I've asked before, but it's not one that I've really gotten a great answer on how to actually deal with.

This used to not be the case, but now whenever I haven't jacked off for like a week I feel great discomfort as my energy builds in the lower region. Initially this traps itself in my stomach, not a big deal we just meditate and we move around, do some Yoga poses and that helps. Temporarily.

The longer I get into this, the more spiritual experiences I encounter, but also the greater the risk of this discomfort becoming too much. I'll start to see semen coming out whenever I go to urinate by the 2nd week, which I'm pretty sure isn't normal. The longest I ever went was 5 months or so, maybe half a year, and now I can't go two weeks without this happening. On top of that, and what I think is causing some of this, is my nervous system gets fried. I start to get stressed and overwhelmed. In this state I have the feeling that I have to beat off and just get it over with, but I regret it right afterwards.

I've been meditating for atleast 30m every day now, not only just on the breath or anything, but on multiple different exercises. Meditation definitely helps, but the next day it starts all over again with a strong sense of anxiety, struggling to get around to meditating, and potentially failing to withstand the pressure.

A lot of the pain tends to build up in the stomach early on, but later on it is in the pelvic region around where my pants etc are, but my clothes aren't super tight or anything. I can't avoid anything super tight because it worsens this issue. Eventually it is impossible to avoid anyways.

TL;DR how do I deal with whatever the hell this is because an hour or more a day on meditation / poses + exercise is not enough to provide consistent aid.

>>43040350
Ur getting dreamslonked or drained of a sort, desu, do lbr, state you do t want any sex demons around you, cleanse of python and yellow plexus jay goblins, tho they do kinda cool, and grokyyerbeldum spitirwebbers, are you building a dream realm for yourself (with no sexy chicks in it) as you go out asleep? If not, sumune is. Are you chubbed up? The addy should make it so ur shrink’d up, ur on it right? You do have to fuck eventually anon, do you express your built up energy somehow? Ur not staying home, are you? Clear dischy, right? Ur just ripe dude, a ripe swollen leaking cock, we’ve got the best specimens around, I swear, boys.

>>43040377
Nah, nothing like that but my subconscious or something like that speaks to me at times to help me. At night I see eyes looking at me. Two nights ago it was a really vivid blue and yellow eye looking all around. I don't normally visualize so clearly even when I'm dreaming so it stood out.

I have had the vibes that something was fucking with me at times. I've asked prayed for protection from multiple deities etc. and it doesn't keep this feeling away.

I can't afford to do LBR because I live in a heavily christian household and they would disown me if they knew I meditate to begin with.

No idea what the rest of what you're saying is about.

I am on adderall, but I still get hard.

>Do you express your built up energy somehow

I exercise, go on walks and when I'm in the mood I tend to make art.

>Staying at home

I'm basically a neet in modern society. I work on my passions doing what I can for the world around me but it doesn't exactly make money.

>>43038923
almost no airflow from one nostril. regular allergy symptoms

>>43040473
Are you aware of that thing we can do to stop peeing in the middle of it? Like if someone else needs the toilet or you need to run and can't finish peeing.
Do that when you get hard, if you aren't yet.

>>43041277
The issue isn't so much getting hard as it is feeling like this intense anxious feeling that requires me to lie down.

>>43041255
any good sources you can share?

>>43009466
at least name my quotes properly, sheeit
t.olfactoryanon

>>43035574
namaste fren

>>43040350
>I'll start to see semen coming out whenever I go to urinate by the 2nd week, which I'm pretty sure isn't normal.
this is evidence that your lower gate has been abused too much and isnt able to close properly
in effect you're saying that your habit became ingrained hard enough that you're having trouble correcting it
if you really want to get over it, you will simply need to be strict with yourself

>>43040473
>I can't afford to do LBR because
that aint gonna help you with this problem anyway
>I am on adderall
its difficult to give advice to people who are on drugs, whether it is illicit or pharma or otherwise

>>43041121
its something you can overcome by proper breath training where you're not sniffing at the air
but fully overcome, expect a few years at least

>>43009466
>cant drink alcohol
Immedietaly dropped

Alcohol increases energy, just study alcohol metabolism

>>43043755
Literally everyone which I know drinks averagely, are/are becoming fat red faced men.

Alcohol is a net negative to the body, if you deny this I fret you are just coping so you can keep drinking

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>>43043755
>Alcohol increases energy
turning oneself into Blanka for a couple hours does not count
if you're too young to know that alcohol slows your metabolism, lurk moar

>>43043755
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>>43045195
Just cause im lazy here's a tl:dr of why booze bad

>the Liver is considered the physical home and anchor for the Hun (the ethereal or spiritual soul)
>It is the "Yang" or ethereal soul—representing formless consciousness, intuition, creativity, life planning, vision, and dreams.
>TCM links the peak meridian hours of 1:00 AM to 3:00 AM to the Liver. Ample blood and deep rest during this time are required to anchor the Hun so you remain asleep.
>Stagnation Symptoms: Irritability, repressed anger, frustration, lack of vision, and creative block.
Sounds familiar?

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It's as the olfactory dude says: You have to train your breathing to become deep and slow and then cultivate this stillness otherwise you won't be able to do ANYTHING else.

It's funny that all those meditation and energy "gurus" talk all the time about "just watch the breath and ignore thoughts when they come lol" and they say "don't control the breath and don't care much about the body" and I used to believe them for years but after 3 whole months of training daily while keeping a straight spine and training my breathing to become deep (I literally inhale with my pelvic floor now) I have made more progress than ever.

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>>43046805
nasmaste and godspeed, fren

>>43045274
because its a poison and poison bad, methinks

>>43046805
Fell for the same meme.
Also a real teacher would have you do standing practice/meditation until you can sleep standing, before teaching you seated posture.
Its pretty pointless to practice seated because if the joints and meridians in the legs and pelvis are closed there's not enough circulation to keep full lotus for more than a few minutes, the standard being 2-4 hours at minimum.

>>43048155
>Its pretty pointless to practice seated because if the joints and meridians in the legs and pelvis are closed there's not enough circulation to keep full lotus for more than a few minutes, the standard being 2-4 hours at minimum.
this reads like a fundamentalist take from hundreds of years ago, with all the requisite poor insultwriting of today
dont do sitting practice until you can sit in lotus for 2-4 hours?
you're putting the cart before the horse in that sentence
while I recommend practitioners do the requisite work to achieve full lotus - especially if young and healthy - full lotus is not a hard and fast requirement to make progress, and if the practitioner is starting old enough, just being able to sit comfortably for durations is sufficient
also consider that the majority of practitioners are not going to be doing the neidan track where being able to sit unmoving for 4 hours becomes the baseline standard for stepping in that door
that's just not the case for most other paths, and the context of my writing is still perfectly valid - standing practice isnt that difficult to teach and to really get it, its best done in person anyway, while internal breathing mechanics isnt going to be conveyed any more thoroughly in person than it is here with well typed instructions
there's nothing to see, unlike postural alignments that can be subtle and a little difficult for beginners to self identify
I made samahdi manifest well before I was able to sit in full lotus, so 100% not pointless at all
I tell people that it is important to cultivate the body and keep it fit and healthy for best progress to be made
so I dont know where you're getting this high and mighty feel from to the point where you're calling my writings memes, other than to be a dick and show that you've not conquered yourself to begin with

>>43048435
>It's funny that all those meditation and energy "gurus" talk all the time about "just watch the breath and ignore thoughts when they come lol" and they say "don't control the breath and don't care much about the body"
The memes in questions.
Not having awareness of the body, not building up the fascia layer through yijin jing, not clearing the joints and channels in the legs despite more than half the body's energetic potential being stored there, etc.
In standing meditation, gravity is applying the weight of the body on the leg vessels and refining posture to account for the increased energy flow, this is a long process that happens largely on its own under internal movement and doesnt require much attention, so the majority of awareness falls on the pelvis and ldt, which would eventually form naturally in standing practice.
In lotus the pressure exerted on the legs is again what forces the qi to rise to the upper body and be redistributed in the vessels there, although the goals are more neidan related.
Pressure and flow regulation is always the basics one needs to understand rather intuitively in order to navigate higher energetic states like samadhi, and to successfully replicate them in daily practice or even daily life.

No offense to you, as i've often posted alongside you in similar threads over the years and often supported and even benefitted from your views and practices.
Never meant to come off as an elitist, although I wish most of these discussions went further than surface level "Top 10 tips to cultivate qi bro"

>>43048882
I understand that the context of this thread is ECG, but aside from here or there where I'll delve into other areas, I'm mostly just speaking of breathwork stuff that leads one to the place where he can cultivate the awareness, condition properly so that the body & mind can sustain samahdi
you have no basis to call my posts memes or say that omissions on other areas become memes, its just unnecessarily insulting
that said the things you add are indeed valuable
a more constructive framing would be beneficial

Opinions on zhan zhuang?
I'm thinking of starting 4 series of 5 minutes daily, with 3 minutes rest intervals between them.

>>43049511
>Opinions on zhan zhuang?
Very nice, Steve Gray has a straight forward book on it would recommend

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>>43009452
anyobody actually read these unironically

>>43049660
>Has anyone read subjects relating to the subject of the the thread
Maybe in other generals the field of actual knowledge of the subject is limited to quirky tiktoks but for the most part if you want to actually engage/add anything of substance in this subject you either have to be well read on it and or actually practice it. If you haven’t done either one it becomes pretty evident pretty quick

>>43049778
>but for the most part if you want to actually engage/add anything of substance in this subject you either have to be well read on it and or actually practice it.
100% true
you can tell by questions or statements, a general extent of the level of cultivation of a poster
you can tell if they are trying things, they will ask questions
you can tell if they accomplished things, by perspectives and insights from their own practice
this is why I mostly just relate my practice experience and dont bother referencing the writings of others

>>43051792
what's my level of cultivation? :^) Out of curiosity.

>>43051935
eh, you havent posted anything to go by, except that you're willing to be cheeky and trollish
the context was speaking about cultivation related matters, and since I cant tell what posts are yours itt, it doesnt leave one with much to go by, and I am not clairvoyant

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>>43009452
genuine question since were allready on /x/, what is the limits of "energy" that are not mental? are telekinesis and other manipulations of the physical world possible? even using electricity like picrel (or the emperor from star wars for that matter)

>>43052209
>that are not mental? are telekinesis and other manipulations of the physical world possible?
I dont know the extent of what is possible
but when you've met a half a dozen folks from different lineages that are able to display some sort of spiritual power or another, you kinda stop questioning whether certain things exist or not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r109YEPKZe8
akshual emperor tier lightning bolts are just movie tier stuff
one can see more when he gains the ability to see through the meat suit

>>43049521
Just finished reading that book on scribd. Very interesting, I already practiced a bit according to the info.

>>43040473
You’re not directing your sexual energy into something creative or active enough to spend it all, thus your overflow. You need to have a creative or artistic hobby, or a sport or a skill you are really dedicated to.

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Love all you guys

>>43053349
no homo

>>43053361
dw no homo

>>43052219
>akshual emperor tier lightning bolts are just movie tier stuff
disapointing

>>43055821
you dont see chi with your physical eyes

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spamming birds cultivates energy because they are wholesome and the rightful heirs of Pangea

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>>43052209
i have yet to see anyone cast fireballs or force lightning but there are some scam artists and urban legends of levitating niggas so the sith must be very shy

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more birds to raise my prana

how do i use this stuff to unclog my nose

>>43062047
the key to this is not letting things build up to the point where it gets clogged
I can give you a method for it, but if you start raising the energies that generate this side effect, then you must also learn stillness to balance the energy
e.g., learn breathwork and put enough time in to achieve good stillness
the method itself, consider the 3 dantiens in taoism
lower, 2 in below the belly button
middle, at the solar plexus (the heart is later, but that's another part of the story)
and the upper is at the midbrain
by gaining some charge down in the lower two, they can be utilized to activate the upper
a side effect of this is similar to the 'slow fire' effect in taoist yoga
saliva, snivel, tears are emitted, this is expelling precursors of blockage and sickness
palms facing each other in front of the lower two, one at the lower, one at the middle
include this all in the waxwane of the breath
and eventually you should feel something in between the palms
align the laogung and rotate the hands about their axis
it becomes similar to the old school manual lemon juicer in a way
when these two activate and the energy brims over, the upper is energized
combine that with a steamy shower every evening, and the shit wont build up to the point where your nose gets clogged

>>43062047
Keep your tongue pressed on the upper hard palate at all times. Clogging in the nose can be a symptom that ren mai in front is partially blocked or disconnected from du mai via the tongue.
You can clear nasal cavity it by tilting the head slightly backwards to align the opening between the eyebrows with your esophagus and let all the gunk drain out, it can be quite unpleasant the first few times but over time the secretions become more watery and sweet. This is clearing the "heavenly pool" which allows for cutivating the "Jade elixir" which is basically sweet and fragrant saliva along with pituitary secretions.
Once you get the proper flow you can cultivate Chen Tuan's sleeping gong, which is basically jade elixit practice while laying/sleeping and its a cure for sleep apnea and clogged nose.
>>43062225
This is valuable info

>>43049652
weak shit, do a mabu

>>43040350
>take memes seriously
>wreck your body with too much yang
many such cases! if only there was a way to vent the yang without giving up any jing, if only some school of cultivation had a tradition with techniques like these for those who seek it.
old circumcised men will easily go celibate and tell you to do the same, no loss for them, but reach for their wine pitcher and they will howl like a monkey >>43043755

>>43063853
one needs to learn to stand properly before doing 45 degree, which comes before 90
skipping the fundamentals in the beginning doesnt help you become advanced

>>43046805
>I literally inhale with my pelvic floor
How does that work? Like do you actually contract your pelvic floor muscles or do you just imagine your whole body contributing to your breath?

How do you check results of your energy work? In other words, how do you know that what you've been doing has contributed to anything at all in that regard?

>>43064186
If tour inhale/exhale are deep enough you'll be able to feel your navel pulling on your perineum(huiyin).
The movement of the abdomen regulates yin&yang of the breathing cycle, the air going in/out matters much less than the actual flow of qi.
Also look up "bottled breath".
>>43064218
When you cleave open the dan tian the movements in the gut are so strong you literally shit your brains out for about half a day and things down there become much more clear and sensitive.
Certain auxiliary channels also contract, expand, merge along the way, with sensations wventually exceeding the physical body.
Then there are multiple stages to opening the energy channels, where again sensitivity increases and you become much more connected to your subtle body and in turn every type of energy, mostly lunar energy in the beginning, later on the stars and constellations.
Du mai and ren mai open in multiple stages, requiring mostly certain types of enlightenment, rather than effort.
Shit like that, just keep it up and shit starts happening.

>>43064300
>When you cleave open the dan tian
NTA but how do you do that

I remember reading here that one shouldn't masturbate if they wish to recover from an illness due to their jing depleting as it will only make it worse.
They was 100% right; I only had a sore throat, but after jacking off i go extremely ill, extremely quick. Looking back at it, whenever I masturbated while being ill, the duration of my sickness increases after doing it.
Comming is literally killing me.

I need to start to take this cultivation stuff seriously and stop lurking

>>43064367
>If your inhale/exhale are deep enough you'll be able to feel your navel pulling on your perineum(huiyin).
The movement of the abdomen regulates yin&yang of the breathing cycle, the air going in/out matters much less than the actual flow of qi.
Also look up "bottled breath".
Just this, locate qihai(2 fingers below the navel) and mingmen(opposite the navel)
The dan tian forms in the area between these two points and huiyin, they play a role in its function and activation.
You need to gently regulate the movwment of the lower abdomen to where it expands all the way in front on inhale and pretty much sticks along the spine on exhale, in the process huiyin will open and close on its own, you'll feel a bit of tugging on your balls.
You dont need to concetrate your mind very hard, rather than focusing your intent there, gently "listen" to that general area.
As qihai is often called the "false dan tian" i find it helpful if you keep your mind on the inside of the spine, above the sacrum.
Practice this between 11pm-1am(winter time) or just around midnight when yin rises and you can form a field within a week or two at most.
Cleaving open the ldt is a bit different as it is related to having a 'seed' of pure yang planted in the field.
This again will happen quite naturally as long as you keep on "listening" to that area for a while.
Once it happens you dont need to do anything either, it does it on its own. Well i guess once you have an actual "embryo" you should try not to spill your seed then, celibacy is not required before this, but somewhat important after.

>>43064186
I'm the anon you quoted: What I mean by that is that with each inhale I feel the pelvic floor inhale downwards and with the exhale it raises upwards.

>>43065361
That is huiyin(mortal gate) opening and closing. That is also how it should be done, no amount of effort should be exerted on actually flexing the perineum muscles, they should be relaxed.

>>43065373
That's what I'm doing yes, it came to me naturally.

>>43064218
results after six months of daily bagua
>I can punch like 20x stronger than before, striking a jug of water makes it vibrate loudly in place with a delay
>NPCs stopped starting shit with me as if they could sense it
>Shifting my weight alone can send a shockwave if i'm not careful, body feels like a clockwork machine
>Stopped losing balance randomly
>Limbs feel weightless, as if the arms had zero mass (this happens when you unlock the qi flow)
>Muscle tone improved, roughly twice as strong with zero actual muscle mass gained
>Literally never feel physically tired
>Can breathe a cold away within hours (literally just curl up and breathe until it's gone)
>Eyesight improved
>Digestion improved, lost 20 pounds, can eat more and it all gets used up not stored
>Overall health reset to childhood levels, feeling younger than 10 years ago
and this is with me arriving partially cultivated and taking good care of myself already, imagine what leap it is for the average amerilard who practices nothing. you will definitely feel it. fuck, i felt worse as a teenager than now
note that this isn't just "oh you exercised and stopped being fat", no i got out of the "i exercise and fast and i'm still fat" issue, i was already walking 5+ klicks almost daily, walked everywhere, ate a high quality diet, fasted sometimes up to 48 hours, attempted western calisthenics, it did fuck all compared to what opening up the body did

if you want a direct measurement: after enough qi work you can actually summon circulation to your limbs at will, and that is something you can sense directly. if you're perfectly still, you can even feel the local increase in pressure. it's not very precise at first, but you can learn to narrow it down and concentrate your entire breath right where you need it

>>43065263
Learn to suppress the jing release and you can retain without being a perpetually horny ball of misery. But fapping with a cold is always stupid, have some self respect

>>43063953
more precisely it's form > depth > length
deep mabu at any length is better since your ass muscles won't be forced to work otherwise, if it's too hard you can just rest a bit and do it again, even 30 seconds at a time is valuable and makes you progress rapidly. always do it at the maximum depth that you can still maintain form in

>>43062047
combination of
>direct qi to the head
>exercise face, neck and jaw muscles
>apply acupressure
>stand up and do a downwards kick with your leg to pop your ears and nasal cavities
besides congestion this routine should help with tinnitus, headaches, vision issues and eye twitching, these are all obstructions in circulation and as a result, a starved and dying body
treat congestion as a sign that you're forgetting to breathe properly, or a warning that you're breathing bad air
learn which foods aggravate it and which ones help, you want more spicy things if you can handle it

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>>43065504
>Learn to suppress the jing release
that's possible? how?

Question: If I do breathwork and achieve stillness can I then astral project, enter my subconscious like Jung and others have done or contact "the higher self" and other things like this?

I'm not talking about hypnagogia or dreaming while awake, I want to truly contact something while being aware.

>>43013220
Prayer are simply visualisation expressed with voice to express the picture with force. (auto-hypnosis.)

Newbie here, those who have accomplished something spiritually already. Like lucid dreaming, have they already cultivated something a bit?

>>43069500
Note i can lucid dream, most days now.

One reason I came here is because ive been dreaming bout energy in varying ways and had a dream where I was a daoist master. which led me here.

Should I take off my watch while meditating? I use it to keep track of time, but a qi gong video said to remove electronics and something else I was forgetting.

>>43070037
> I use it to keep track of time
You mean that you check the time while you meditate? You shouldn't do that at all. I'd say that you should even wear earbuds.

Use an alarm timer on your phone or something similiar.

And remove the watch if it's easy yes, the less stuff you have on you the better.

>>43070055
I don't look at the time but it vibrates when I'm done. I have ear plugs often in so its kind of hard to hear anything but my breathing if its too loud.

>>43068827
>Question: If I do breathwork and achieve stillness
these generally are prerequisites
>can I then astral project, enter my subconscious like Jung and others have done or contact "the higher self" and other things like this?
>I'm not talking about hypnagogia or dreaming while awake, I want to truly contact something while being aware.
make enough progress and you may get some visitors
cultivate your awareness very well and thoroughly
mastering breathwork assists this by inducing quiescence at the neurological level

>>43070037
if you're cultivating your awareness well, you wont miss it going off while its on the table

Going through some of the books now, any advice on what's a good starting breathework exercise?

>>43070542
just abdominal breathing.
https://archive.org/details/QigongMeditation.EmbryonicBreathingByYangJwingMing/mode/1up

>>43009452
This is a cool general. I haven't been on /x/ in about a year so this is an awesome thing to find on my return. I'm going to get into this and start by reading "The Mind Illuminated".

I've been on a personal transformation journey for the past year. Did therapy for 7 months, lost 30lbs, quit alcohol and weed. cut my phone screen time down to an hour/day. I feel like practicing energy cultivation is the next step for me.

Also, I'm on day 8 of quitting caffeine. I didn't realize just how impactful this drug was. My energy levels have not yet fully rebounded but I can tell how much more int control of my mind I am and how much less anxiety I have. What can you tell me about the negative effects of coffee?

will this practice increase ability to manifest as well?

bumo

>>43018367
Yeah it is the post nut opioid chemistry and the refractory period. Metabolism goes low, you feel sleepy. Acutely there is not much damage but chronically it is obviously bad, you become more sensitive, more passive, your brain cant think straight without the calories, daylight becomes a stress trigger etc. Lust starts at sleep deprivation because that opioid hit becomes irresistible

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> Qi sinks to the Dantians.
> Spirit gathers at the Lingtai.
> Draw in the breath of heaven and earth.
> Flows through all four limbs and a hundred bones.
> Returns to nothingness.
Even through novell you can have an epiphany.

> Earth breath
Life force that came through physical exercice is also called blood-qi, exist in everyone but can be cultivated in a simple way :
> Empty the vase completely (any physical activity : exercises, gym, martial arts.)
> Let it fill fully again (food, rest, meditation)
> Rince and repeat everyday, consistently.

To understand what is Qi, you must understand the original chinese character of Qi : the smoke on top of the cooked rice. (rice is the earth element, Qi is the metal element that have been purified in the fire in the 5 elements cycle.)

>>43075818
>To understand what is Qi, you must understand the original chinese character of Qi : the smoke on top of the cooked rice. (rice is the earth element, Qi is the metal element that have been purified in the fire in the 5 elements cycle.)
one will have to cultivate it first and then reverse engineer the connection
without experiential understanding, an intellectual understanding is shallow and relatively meaningless

>>43071329
>reading this
>realize i already naturally belly breathe
>hell i dont really even know how to chest breath honestly

I guess thats a good start, i wonder if thats why i can see glow around my hands if i stare enough?

I guess thats a good headstart or sign right?

>though is that all i really have to do? stay still and do belly breathing every day or?

>>43077890
once the body is quiet,
now cultivate long chains of uninterrupted awareness

>>43078315
as in pay attention to the breathing specifically?

should i follow the qigong or cultivation as well or just awareness?

>>43078388
>as in pay attention to the breathing specifically?
the whole point of refining the breath is to program the subconscious through habit-conditioning so that it autoperforms with little to no mental capital driving very efficient breathing mechanics
smooth the transitions between inhale and exhale until all distinctions are obscured
it messes with the way the quantum waveform collapses, once these individual events are obscured - it makes the cool event probability amplitude raise
train like a pro, execute like a pro, get pro results - conditioning is big
>should i follow the qigong or cultivation as well or just awareness?
the body needs to be kept up
so do something to keep your body up
whether its yoga or 5 brocades or taiji, all of those serve the purpose
but yes, do everything with awareness
always train keeping the awareness
when you're sitting, train keeping very long chains of uninterrupted awareness
the better your awareness when you train physical things, the better the effect on programming the muscle memory

>>43078464
I am having trouble following you in some area's.
I already automatically do abdominal/belly breathing as its just.. what I've always done

Im gonna continue reading the book on embryonic breathing

>>43078626
ok update
done like 5 or so minutes with the pereneum breathing and abdominal. and i feel very lighter and lighter in my limbs and head.
It seems hard until you like get past that first hurdle and get into a rhythm. I definitely could see myself get this becoming natural.

>>43078816
5 minutes is about a decent time to get settled and begin a session
an hour per session per day is about the minimum required for the good stuff to start happening

>>43079675
does time of day matter?

>>43079998
ideally you want some shorter sessions during the day and a long session before bed

>>43079998
neigh. everyone randomly recommends something different based on various superstitions. do whatever suits you personally best.

>>43079675
>>43080275
I'm probably gonna build up to a hour over time, then again it feels like one could do breathwork while doing other things once one gets into the rhythm of it and it becomes automatic

Sometimes when I sit to cultivate I feel strong emotions of discomfort, anxiety, fear e.t.c., they are mostly located in my chest and solar plexus area, this tightness even makes deep breathing difficult.

Anyone has any ideas what to do when this happens? Abort the sit and go do some exercise? Focus on the uncomfortable feelings/emotions and try to relax them?

>>43076540
> an intellectual understanding is shallow and relatively meaningless
Through literature you can find the big picture and figure out alone the first steps.

Anyway what I figure out that even a perfectly healty athlete have a ton of Qi, but can't felt it if he has not practiced meditation before. Meditation is the key to gauge the Qi through personal internal sensation. When I talk about Meditation, is more like about sensing the internal using your touch sens :
> stay still in a confortable position
> close your eyes
> feels (listening to your internal body state)
Do it at home, then in a park, then in a forest or in a place you will cultivate in future.

later on during cultivation:
> don't force the manifestation (don't imagine it)
> let it come.
> watch it manifesting itself.

Those are the first steps or keys.

>>43080941
practice while wageslaving to keep you nice and docile to a ripe, old and expendable age.

Has anybody here read Martial Peak? It's a pretty terrible cultivation manhua.
One of the things the mc does is storing some type of refined yang drops if I remember correctly, basically highly concentrated energy that he could tap into whenever.
Does any tradition mention something like this?

>>43082355
Over 3000 chapter ... could you at least pin point the right chapter ?

new to this thread with a question...

Am I just living on raw energy now?
Last wednesday (8th) I decided to try my old thing again of changing body parts with affirmations every hour. It used to work with emotions but nowadays I'm an emotionless block so in lieu of that I've imagined drawing the surrounding aether into the things I'm using affirmations on. I do this a couple minutes every single hour (most hours anyway). On friday I noticed I'm no longer getting hungry, despite not eating at all, and despite being very physically active (work & long walks daily) and even drinking coffee again (usually knocks your blood glucose level down hard).

I literally haven't eaten in a week but don't feel hungry or low energy.

I'm physically very healthy as always so there's no medical reason and it's not ketosis cuz I know from experience that takes a week to start and makes you sluggish. So like...am I possibly just running on the aether I'm pulling into myself?

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what type of energy should I cultivate to be able to command goetic spirits?
I succeed with the summoning part, but fuckers never do what I ask them to do. neither asking nicely or larping as Solomon has worked so far

What routine for beginner who wants to gain youthful complexion and heal scars?

>>43082948
https://www.manganato.gg/manga/martial-peak-colored/chapter-29

>>43082355
you mean life force? korean murim mangas have it too, where instead of using "normal" qi, martial artists use their innate qi in desperate situations as a trump card

>>43083374
Goetic rituals are essentially an inversion of catholic exorcism which requires being initiated into the energetic current of the apostalic succession aka become a priest

>>43084835
You mean yang qi, is the innate qi? Could be refered to the Shen? Because the way to achieve it was, at least for me using the spiritual path through the tao or the nothingness (fusion between heart and mind).

>>43085197
>goetic rituals are essentially an inversion of catholic exorcism
>t. catholic and my priest told me this and you dont question anything a priest tells you

>>43083374
Solomon is a meditation teaching, not a person : Sol and moon or yin and yang or heaven and earth : the tao.

>>43085699
Are you this pissy when reiki practicioners say you need to be attuned to the energetic current the founder recieved on mount kurama?

They asked what energetic practices go with the goetia a text literally written by and for ordained clergy.

>>43083374
>I succeed with the summoning part, but fuckers never do what I ask them to do. neither asking nicely or larping as Solomon has worked so far
when you have no power as well as nothing to offer them

>>43085852
it sounds like you are completely unaware that the goetia are arch enemies of the yhvh blood egregore and those that spawned it

>>43085912
If you were interacting with them in that capacity you wouldn't be doing goetia. It's literally that simple. There is literally no reason to call dasha ma gremory outside of the paradigm in which the text was originally written.

>>43083363
You're burning your energy reserves, what do you think? You have to eat bro, 2000 calories a day remember? Carbs await you. Energy cultivation is not about fasting

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>>43085852
Kurama is simply the infinite sea of love in your head.
By the way Elohim (yhvh), Pangu, and Tao are the exact same thing described by different culture : same script, different movie.
The Shen Qi is Holy Spirit in christianity, and it's achievable truth the stillness or the return to the nothingness (Wuwei or Shabbat is the same thing).

You are like a glass of water, if you are half full and half empty and there is no ripple on the surface (stillness), the limit between the half empty and half full disapear, this is the Tao : the union between heaven and earth : the Ark of the Convenant.

>>43065504
what is bagua?

>>43087882
folks are better off not bothering to listen to scribblings that say all of these things are the same
you may have some overlap in concepts but that doesnt mean its the same thing
>The Shen Qi is Holy Spirit in christianity
as someone who has had unequivocal experiences with both,
lol, no
this is part of why logic and scholarly deduction isnt going to get one anywhere
the inexperienced can theorize all they want but its just borne from a position of inexperience

>>43088445
he's talking about the martial art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlBH5n8mLmU

>>43088637
Walking on water is the same as a flying sword, it exist only in books.
> Holy spirit,
> Ruah hakodech,
> Shen Qi
> Yang Qi
> Heaven Qi
> Kundalini
> Green-Ray energy center (from the book of Ra : The Law of One.)
It's all the same thing, an radiant energy that appear in the upper body from the solar plexus to the head and hands, move slowly like a hot liquid in the body.

>>43089205
>It's all the same thing
this is just you flexing your book reading of uncultivated authors
it all sounds well and good, until you run into anyone at all who has actually cultivated any of it to know where your errors are

>>43089205
>Yang Qi
>Kundalini
>It's all the same thing
>also mentions new age slop book

Please stop

>>43089310
>>43090376
Chinese and Hebrew share the same root, the same conception of the creation of the universe. Pangu and Elohim is the same concept.

Pangu is born from an Egg, that split in two : Heaven and Earth.
Tao : from one thing, two things was born, ...
Genesis : In the begining was Elohim then Heaven and Earth were created.

The 3 tradition share the same root, the same cosmogony.

When you reach enlightenment you understand that Elohim / God is nothing more than yourself in a specific state of consciousness. This is not new age, but deep down this is the root of all things : the Tao, the immortal state.

>>43087882
I refuse to believe this is an actual person. However fir the benefit of passers by....

Its a literal fucking mountain said to be home of the tengu king where usui had a shamanic experience

>>43091122
It's like a mountain Sinai, the mountain exist physically but the name describe someone in meditation position reaching higher level spiritualy. The ancient name of Egypt was kemet, it was known a the land of Magic, kemet meant see of love inside self.

The word Shamanic, as root in hebrew Shamn, simply it means in modern hebrew : oil and in hebrew that used to write the torah : the opposites (Shin + Mem : Fire + Water) connected (Nun) and expanded beyound (Nun sofit), this is litteraly the Tao.

>>43090748
So yang Qi is the same as kundalini energy?

Please stop trying to “educate” us. You are doing more harm than good.
You don’t have to prove yourself to us, so don’t bother defending yourself to show face. Take this with humility and actually do your research

>>43092614
Qi = Chi = Mana = Prana = Vril = Orgone = Od = Breath of Life (Ruach) = Pneuma = Ka

>>43092646
Thanks for non answer

>>43092668
the non*

>>43092614
NTA but kundalini would be a parallel for zhen qi. All these people online talking about having "kundalini experiences" are either larping or simply pushing yang qi after overexciting their nervous system. Yang qi isn't the same as kundalini energy, but their umbrella terms, qi and prana, are the same in practical terms.
>>43092646
This is common knowledge. But under each of those umbrella terms there's a myriad of nuanced configurations of that same energy, and that's where they stop being the same when compared.

>>43092668
>>43092683
You're welcome.

>>43092712
Hm that's fair however the syncretist position offered in >>43090748 is in and of itself also a "nuacned configuration", if you will. Truthfully, a gay New Age one. But one may approach the matter in a wholly heterosexual manner, if one so desires.

>>43092734
>Truthfully, a gay New Age one.
>Unironically references the book of Ra
Who are you fooling?

>>43092712
>NTA but kundalini would be a parallel for zhen qi
That doesn't matter, that anon made the comparison of kundalini energy with yang Qi.
He doesn't know what he is talking about and he is trying to synthesise different concepts.
This is harmful and just leads to confusion.

>>43092380
Bad bot

>reading the embryonic breathing book
>is the upper and real lower dan tians those... points of awareness you default too
>as i oftne find directing my sense of space is easy towards those spots, but harder with some other places like some parts of hte limbs for example

>>43092646
>Vril
you lose credibility when you mention fake and gay nu age inventions
this is like being at a gathering of religious folk and you tell them you're a scientologist and they all laugh at you because its literally fictitious

>>43093057
>is the upper and real lower dan tians those... points of awareness you default to
yes

>>43093092
You lose even more credibility by talking about Indian shit. Subcontinent full of shameless grifters

>>43092712
Suprisingly Kundalini and yang / shen Qi have the same symptoms when it's happening, but wait some are saying it not the same. In truth this is the same phenomena, but depend of the tradition, the teaching or the sect you follow it happen in different manners.
Kundalini isn't appear only on the base of spine, it sometimes happen directly from hands and upper body, exactly like yang qi.

The point is China is 5000 years civilisation and they couldn't even make a clear common teaching about Qi, they had to hidden it under thousand of fantastical allegory, when it could be probably taugh under a few sentence in couple minute of guidance.

>>43092646
This, you are right. This is the all same thing, this the manna the hebrew received during their exil in the desert, this the true bread and whine in christianity and so on.

>>43093092
The book of Ra is like the Bible, all man made but the underlaying teaching this is all what it matters.

>>43096249
>ac is the same as dc

Like sure it's all "electricity" but if you hook something upto the wrong type you get the mysterious blue smoke and your electronic devices are fried.

>>43093093
ok, so is basic abdominal breathing separate from 'moving stuff' between the dan tians?
I personally am just in a odd place where I kinda already inherently know how to do abdominal breathing as it's just the default state i do, So i am not entirely sure what to start with.

>>43096549
There's a major divide between systems about what the dan tien even is resulting in confusion about a "true" vs "false dans tien

>>43096588
yeah I saw that in the book, just trying to figure some specifics at this point
>since I already abdominal breathe
>i already located the area's of the dan tians already.

so what do i do now, since the book is a tad vague at times, like should i just do abdominal breathing an dont touch the qi stuff for now? or how long to practice the breathing before trying to move the energy around, nor does it say how to recognize or move the energy...

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which is this one

>>43096543
But it's not dc nor ac, it's more like a slow liquid like hot crystalisation (western alchimist talk about fire being chrystalized and in the Bible it's called like "a thousand tongues of fire"). I think Qi interoception is not even sensing electricity but to push the nervous system into an extrem mode so it can sense better. Could be moving Qi about by polarizing a path trough intention or imagination.

>>43096657
Opinions differ on this. According to some people you just wanna gather energy in your lower dan tian until it rises and spreads on its own.
Then you have people doing intense breathing exercises to really fire up their system.
If you're really breathing correctly all the time already and nothing has happened maybe try tummo for a week or two and see how you like it

>>43096216
>Kundalini isn't appear only on the base of spine, it sometimes happen directly from hands and upper body
Can you show me one traditional source which supports this
>but wait some are saying it not the same
If its in relation to the kundalini energy and Yang Qi, they are two different things, providing similar phenomena isn't good enough to say they are the same

>underlaying teaching this is all what it matters.
The underlying teachings are vauge and or new age garbage.
>Hey Ra can you teach me how to achieve this
>Yes you have to do this specific meditation
>Can you tell me what it is?
>No fuck you

>>43096549
>ok, so is basic abdominal breathing separate from 'moving stuff' between the dan tians?
Yes

>So i am not entirely sure what to start with.
Keep building a foundation, cultivate a regular practice, keep your poster in check including you back and master stillness

>>43097114
>The underlying teachings are vauge and or new age garbage
It's teach the return to nothingness or stillness in another way for western audiance with an explaination why stillness is necessary : green-ray healer are channeler that doesn't interfer with the inteligent energy. It's mostly the same thing in wuwei, non-action (no thoughts = stillness = void = emptiness = infinity) and deliberatly no forcing things to happen : don't push Qi through meridians let it flow itself.

>>43097114
Do you know if circular breathing used by musician can be used in some Qi practice, because that look badass?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EfHJaUV4hrw

> Kundalini (simply mean energy coiled around the spine)
Microcosmic Orbit (小周天, Xiao Zhou Tian)
In some Taoist meditation traditions, practitioners visualize or sense Qi circulating along a pathway up the spine and down the front of the torso. (Kundalini and Qi is the same root.)

>>43097261
>It's teach the return to nothingness or stillness in another way for western audiance with an explaination why stillness is necessary
Yep with heavy half truth, its so diluted that it becomes worthless.
The book of ra is unironically if they deified a vuageposter

Stop shilling this garbage https://youtu.be/k3aXnFE4w4I?si=yBuocWTH67zpk9uN

>>43097318
>Do you know if circular breathing used by musician can be used in some Qi practice, because that look badass?
Not 100% sure but i do know a lot of sufi prisoners use breathing techniques for music while also working towards their religious practice.

>Kundalini (simply mean energy coiled around the spine)
But what it actually means in relation to its mysticism is completely different from yang qi

>(Kundalini and Qi is the same root.)
As in langue root? If it did this still means nothing

>>43097369
>sufi prisoner
practitioners*

>>43097114
>Keep building a foundation, cultivate a regular practice, keep your poster in check including you back and master stillness

Even just abdominal breathing to start, or reverse abdominal breathing? I am a bit confused as to whether that like building up of the lower dan tian kinda happens automatically or if i need to do more for the qi reservoir to get better. as well as if just abdominal breathing brings some of those mentioned health or spiritual benefits

>>43097055
>tummo?

>>43097513
>Even just abdominal breathing to start, or reverse abdominal breathing?
Both are foundational practices but just stick to one. do abdominal breathing until you have 'mastered it'

>I am a bit confused as to whether that like building up of the lower dan tian kinda happens automatically or if i need to do more for the qi reservoir to get better.
Continuous practice is fine but listen to this

>1 conversation
This is just the conversation of Sexual essence.
This is just stopping the loss of energy during sexual intercourse which just excites the brain at the expense of your heath/Qi (If you are sick do not engage in sexual activity (NO Gooning) if you want a fast recovery and if you are in deep sickness don't do it for 6 months)
Or just celibacy

>2 Restoration
This is the restoration of lost energy
This is just correcting your diet, curving your desires, calming the emotions and keeping the body-mind-sprit in the mid way avoiding extremes

>3 Transmutation
This is the transmutation to vital energy (Or Qi 氣)
transmutation occurs in this stillness of body and mind during pranayama

100 days is usually enough time required to transform the sexual essence into subtle form and to fully awaken your Qi
When first cultivated, Qi will feel like a warm sensation within your lower dantian or around your Ming men centre through Embryonic breathing -or whatever nei gong practice you do- this sensation will intensify and your lower dantian which is your lower abdomen will begin to shake and vibrate which indicates ones Qi is replete.

>as well as if just abdominal breathing brings some of those mentioned health or spiritual benefits
You would be surprised what continuous practice does

>>43096216
>Suprisingly Kundalini and yang / shen Qi have the same symptoms when it's happening
"kundalini" for the vast majority of people who speak of it isnt even that, but rather the overload symptoms from doing it wrong

>>43096588
babby's first readthrough on the ymaa materials?

>>43096657
that's great you can already do abdominal breathing, but that doesnt necessarily mean you train to a high level
put the time in
get a few shorter sessions during the day and 1 hour+ at the end of the day
how still is the breath, if you can still perceive it, keep working at it
if you start working with the lower dantien, use some methods to compress & expand it with the breath, keep the focus small like the size of a golf ball to a peach size
but dont work with the upper dt in this way that works for the lower or you'll wind up with a headache

>>43097318
>Do you know if circular breathing used by musician can be used in some Qi practice
not really, its just something that enhances breath control
>Kundalini (simply mean energy coiled around the spine)
>Microcosmic Orbit
these are not the same thing at all and are from entirely different systems
most of the material you will find on kundalini misses some important things
and pretty much all of the material you will find on the MCO discusses circulating the path and does not discuss opening the path - and the circulation exercise is exceedingly unlikely to open it
its a more advanced thing than people realize, for both

>>43097513
>Even just abdominal breathing to start, or reverse abdominal breathing?
for stillness meditation, pick one and stick with it, dont change up what you're doing there
natural abdominal breathing is easier and more relaxing
> I am a bit confused as to whether that like building up of the lower dan tian kinda happens automatically
it is enhanced by active exercises, but ingraining those results are dependent on stillness
where the yi goes, chi flows
it happens automatically, to an extent, it happens automatically to a much greater extent when your awareness is placed there
>as well as if just abdominal breathing brings some of those mentioned health or spiritual benefits
for me at least, the health benefits came primarily when the upper dt was able to become energized by the results from the rest of the work I was doing.
hit 45 second long breaths for an hour-hour and a half every day for two or three months, that was about where all of a sudden the master endocrine control mechanism kicks into gear and you know/feel it unequivocally

Am I supposed to feel energy move up the spine on inhale or exhale?
I think something I read said inhale, but that makes less sense to me.

>>43096946
>but it's not literally ac/dc

Its called a metaphor you autistic fuck

>>43097816
I purposely move energy up sometimes when I inhale, and move it down when I exhale. For me it's a choice, but perhaps people that are sensitive feel it automatically

>>43097816
>Am I supposed to feel energy move up the spine on inhale or exhale?
what practice are you doing that you are asking this question?

>>43098238
Honestly I forget what I read that suggested it should be Down on the Inhale and Up on the Exhale.
I bought the Kundalini Workbook from Mumford and while I haven't read it all yet, I'm pretty sure I saw an illustration saying it's the other way.
Up on inhale, down on exhale. The other way just felt more natural to me, since it follows the breath.