>I ask that you don’t be a retard and read to the end.I’m not making an argument for abrahamic material because I’ve come to the conclusion that the truth is a blend of the psychological and spiritual. What really matters is the symbolism and intent in things. I’ve come to an interesting conclusion however, most openly satanic things and secret societies that market themselves in movies and on discord are just fronts and covers. Literally the aesthetic they use is a mask and they likely don’t even know it because their retards. Kubrick tried to show you, you can even find clues in the material that got cut. The really bad guys, the epstein class…. Well their aesthetics is that of Abrahamic aesthetics. A lot of it leans catholic and christian but surprisingly a lot of it leans to Islam and jewish stuff too. To keep it simple they blend all of it up. Satan was a job title, it meant adversary, in the original Hebrew material he tested Job on YHWHs behalf. I don’t understand why Christians or people walking around claiming to be Christians have such an a aversion to this fact. I CANNOT take luciferians seriously either. The name “Lucifer” is a Latin translation (from the Vulgate) of the Hebrew phrase helel ben-shachar (“shining one, son of the dawn” or “morning star”) in Isaiah 14:12. In its original context, the passage is a taunt directed at the arrogant king of Babylon, comparing his downfall to a fallen star, not a description of a supernatural being.
>>43011889I’m not saying the society is fake, yet again I must reiterate; their material is abrahamic in nature. But it's also psychological. They break these taboos because the dopamine and chemical release in their bodies gets them high and they can tap deeper into their own consciousness and maybe the collective, maybe tapping in the collective is too much of a reach but they definitely go deeper into their own consciousness as means to gain something. That's where the symbolism helps, it serves as some kind of vehicle. But they're mostly getting high on their own supply. Psychic phenomena definitely exist though.
>>43011889>>43011891What's your point?These taboos exist in the first place because they have a real basis, they didn't arbitrarily appear out of nowhere.They enjoy breaking them because they are spiritually evil.What exactly do you think the secret societies are worshiping?It isn't just vibes, the entities are real but disguised, they don't understand what they're worshiping.
>>43011943Not necessarily, breaking these taboos causes a rush of dopamine and biological chemicals, this gets them high. People often underestimate how easily one can become addicted to their own bodies chems.
>>43011978Materialists have no original thoughts, they think everything is arbitrary and has no connection to anything.
Anon, I sort of just don't give a fuck per say... I know what I know and I don't know what I don't know.
>>43011889People have this affinity towards spiritual/religious stuff, there's just something about all the thematic and aesthetics of it make us really believe its all meaningful. Even when you read some of these rituals you see that some of the "cool aesthetics" are just made up, things stolen from books or just ancient texts because they felt real and awesome. As you said its just big blend or religious/occult symbolism and themes. Something about our souls just recognizes that mashing these things together, putting on robes and chanting gibberish in a circle really did feel incredible. The whole thing is about just feeling its all real to such a degree that it pretty much does do so. That feeling is the main goal of a ritual, to truly feel you did something with impact. Its really just Law of Assumption but with huge grandeur flair to make it feel more them just a simple thought.Some Satanic stuff was done by somewhat nice people that thought he was just a cool dude that's going to help them, or at least just chose him because of his underdog themes and using his name as a means to challenge the normal world. But there are others that recognized Satan and all other sorts of Abrahamic evil entities as just pure evil, and willingly support them because of that fact, not regardless of it. Most of these evil things you could break down their origins and confirm it wasn't really that at all, but people aren't taking the origins, they're taking the simple known idea and using it. Which is sad in a way, because it means in these peoples eyes changing the world is an inherently evil thing. That ritual and manifestation are against the world order in their eyes, and as such they call to evil beings in their rituals as they feel it has more impact. I think that says a sad thing about the beliefs of those who practice that stuff, if they think only evil can help/aid them. Its like saying "god didn't help me so I worship the devil now tehehe!", its childish really.
>>43011943> They enjoy breaking them because they are spiritually evil.> muh evil, I am a good guyYou are a frog in a pool, there is no good or evil, it's all man made. Christian live their world and Satanists their world in the same physical reality, that's it. religion are simply abstract worlds or mindstates that elevate your spirit using different spiritual school.
>>43012048This is objectively evil. So is tolerating it.
>>43012048>religion are simply abstract worlds or mindstates that elevate your spirit using different spiritual school.So why is everything so shit?
>>43011891>>43011978Your entire argument is that >"AHHHHH AAAAHHH I'M I'M COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMINGIs somehow a higher or enlightened state rather than being very obviously a degenerate coomer mental state. If they were so enlightened they'd have more self control.
>>43012121> So why is everything so shit?I have no idea where you live or what you do or what is your actual mindstate, but for me I'm in heaven and don't give a shit about christian or satanist, I have my own kingdom now and enjoying every moment of it.
>>43012168Total indifference to circumstance is neither heaven nor a kingdom.
>>43012172It was never about others it was all about yourself, you are the one that create shit in the world. Your perception of reality is simply the reflxion of yourself.
>>43012191So you're saying I have no choice but to kill the jew inside of me to kill the jew actively robbing me of my future "in the material"?
>>43012209That not the jew inside you, that need to disapear but the you.
>>43012246A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell. The self doesn't disappear it trains for the real enemy.
>>43012191Damn bro I am enlightened now. But wait, do I crave to be enlightened? That's wrong, because to desire to be enlightened is to create the duality of wisdom and foolishness. No wait, it's better to be wise than to be the fool. Wait, why am I even thinking? I am desiring to think, I think thinking is good, and that's bad. I must stop thinking forever. POOF! *discorporates into nothingness*
>>43011889The romans exterminated the jews. Have you even once considered that all you know is a lie? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian ctrl+f [Aftermath; persecutions].The bible was first put together in the 4th century. Jewry was "reborn" with khazars who thanks to the republic of Genoa got access to the center of the christian world, Italy and the Pope, soon after launching the crusades. There were next to no jews in modern Israel during the Ottoman rule. They were all brought in after the brits "liberated" the land.It's all made up. The Romans had issues keeping the retarded barbarians under control and since the retards didn't understand whitemans politics they designed a religion, which as you should know the church acted as small local governments. Every modern jew is in reality a LARPer, a useful fool used by the same (((thems))) who made this whole thing up to begin with.
>>43013592*mic drop*
ONA is the only true Satanism in that it manages to be counter-semitic without being merely inverted Abrahamism
>op here>>43012035Actually well said friend>>43012048I don’t agree with that other anon but I don’t agree with you either. Evil does exist, so does good. But alot of times it blurs and can be rather subjective. Evil people can do good things and good people can do evil things.
>>43012191I mean to an extent yes, you can suffer at the whims of others. Someone could come into your life and simply wisp it all away.
>>43013592Was I making some kind of argument for Abrahamic material in my post? No, I’m against it. I don't know/R̶̢̢͔̖̜̬̞̬͕̞͎̹͛̉̈́̚e̸̤̿͋͆͆̂̓̄̓̉͝͠m̶̙̭̭̄̒̊̏̆͆̉͌̀̔̔͝ë̵̡̧̛͚͍͕̱̹̦̮̤̗͍̣̭̟̜̝́̎̃̉́̿́̓̈́̀͒͋͊̚̚͝m̸̛̦̪̠̪̽̀͂̒͐̒͛́̓̚̚̕͝ͅb̴̢̧͕̯̠̜̐̂͋͗̀͆͘̚͝͝ͅe̵̢̛̦̤̥͙̟̠͉̻̔͒̀̋̿͌̽͗̈́̾͘͠r̶̘̠̪̬͕̖̼̥̖͓̞͔̰̣͔̈́̈́ what you speak of. It’s to my honest knowledge that hebrew was originally a pantheon and for some odd reason it became a patriarchal monotheistic religion which split off into christianity and islam.
>>43013592>>43013643plot twist (somewhat lacking knowledge)The sacking legions on the order of Hadrian killed a certain percentage of them in retribution. The ones surviving were carried off as slaves, a chunk of them sacrificed in gladiator pits/amphiteatrums. The ones (small percentage) capable of reading and writing (priest/clerk/cleric class) kept as household tutors or bookkeepers, future managers of the latifundium slaves capable of earning their freedoms later - possibly the ones keeping up the religious teaching to their kids as rabbis. The ones (majority) sold off as average slaves, and due to lacking reading or writing, mostly forgot their origins after a few generations and assimilated. In the end earned their own freedoms through generations, and became romans in far off regions. Or died in slaving/slave rebellions. (Just as any other culture sacked by the romans. In the long run somewhat assimilated. There should be genetic evidence from graves of the mixing, and forgetting their roots)There could also have been some escaping the news of Hadrian's retribution (since it was the 2nd rebellion - and started with killing all romans in the region - it was damn thorough, and harshest in response from the records), and maybe some returning later(?), though written historic records should exists.
>>43011889Gloria Deus and Gloria Mundi.Satan is the god of this world.
>>43012048Bullshit.Evil is selfishness Evil is wanting what you desire more without concern for how getting it hurts another person.Moral relativism is what bad people tell themselves to justify bad behavior.Do you really believe it’s not wrong (in the context of humanity) to kill an infant to entertain one’s sadistic desire?
>>43015718https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_Revolt#Consequences_and_aftermathBasically this part sums it up in detailSo, if you had ancestors living in the roman empire occupied areas or viscinity, you might very well have had assimilated jewish slave ancestors forgetting or finding new religions due to mixing with other slaves or freed or citizens (could have been also enslaved in any of the previous revolts sackings)
>>43012048>there is no good or evil, it's all man madeThere is most certainly good and evil. It's based on logic. Rational thinking will eventually lead you to the distinction, as does getting in touch with your spiritual/higher self.You have to lack rationality AND spirituality to say that good and evil do not exist. They are as real as the air we breathe.
>>43012127Go back to your containment thread
>>43015908nooooo!!! there's nothing evil about a world where everyone and everything preys on each other BY DESIGN and forces people/animals into being born against their willevil is all just, like, man-made, man
>>43015771in light of hard lessons about how really degraded earthoids "who were here first" (samsara) lived their lives before mr big meanie came along and ruined their land and oppressed them, would do horrific, shocking things that you wouldn't expect a caged animal to do. even feral pigs or rats in cages don't mutilate their babies with deliberate intent, or tell their older kids to eat a newborn. but that's just standard practice amongst plucked chickens around the world.i had a real nightmare of several years trying to get some earthoids to see the light and understand morality, because i thought "well they're european and light-skinned with blue eyes and fair hair, right? right? right????". nope. they just don't get it. they can't think abstract, they can't do hypotheticals, they can't empathize beyond seeing another monkey like themselves get punished. they're very extremely tribal to the point of straight up hivemind.they lack goodness, that inner spark.without it, they do shockingly evil things without a drop of remorse and absolutely zero desire to self-reflect or improve. every civil explanation about their wrong makes them act like rabid pitbulls. they're not capable of morality.i'd say evil is the absence of good.
Any Anons out there had near death experiences? Like actual in a hospital n stuff. If you want a traumatic forced upgrade that seems the way to do it. Bonus points if it happens when you are a kid apparently.
>>43011889Sorry I'm a bit slow OP, do you think the Elite use abrahamic imaginery because it's an evil religion or as a way to mock what is good? How would you define 'good'?
>>43016403Hard to say honestly, abrahamic stiff was never good in the first, I want to specify that I have read parts of the bible, just not to front and back. Read Numbers 31:17–18 (KJV) that should be all you need to read to know it’s evil.
>>43017188I understand your perspective. What do you think about Jesus, though? In gnosticism he is perceived as someone saving us from the demiurge and offering an escape
>>43017191Jesus…. Confuses me. On one hand he could be some rebel teacher who flipped tables in synagogues, historians who believe in him said he was either a descendant of David or Solomon(yes that Solomon) and that his father really was just a carpenter. Jews according to their talmud believe Jesus or Yeshua whom they just call Yeshu was a sorcerer and his mother was a whore and for his sins he boils in a cauldron of shit.>so…..I believe humans shouldn't define themselves or build a religion around one moment that may or may not have happened in the distant past. Sure some of the core concepts like; “treat others like how you want to be treated” is cool and all but its also very warped. If no one suffers why should feeling good be a sin? Why is it a sin to change who you are if it doesn’t hurt anyone else? If nothing is waisted why is it a sin to consume?
>>43017314>>43017188Of course all abrahamic material stems from judiasm.
>>43017319always has
>>43017314How would you differentiate good from evil?
>>43017359it also has older roots like zoroastrianism and the storm gods worships
>>43017449Suffering and trauma are evil so is oppression
>>43011889>ask that you don’t be a retardImpossible task.
>>43011889>helel ben-shacharBEN?like November?
>>43017319And judaism is stolen from older religions.
>>43015971Yeah we seriously need better education. Make rationality/debate and morality mandatory school subjects.
>>43017314>why should feeling good be a sin?I think he was talking about being full of yourself/hedonism. Anything can become a poison in the right doses, so can good stuff. For example Gloom. Giving to the needy seems great but all you're really doing is teaching dependency and that they need you to survive. You need to be able to teach people to take care of themselves and their kin, not just endlessly give stuff to them because they have nothing.
>>43011889sage this shit
