If an Alien race is here from some planet many light years away, there are two possibilities:1: They traveled here at relativistic speeds. In which case their journey may have only taken the passengers of the craft a few years, however from the perspective of their home planet, hundreds, thousands, or even more years have passed back home. A return journey would mean the same exact time passage on the way back. Any Alien here is essentially the sole survivor of whatever family they had back home, as they have all long died by the time they got to earth. 2: The aliens have FTL (faster than light) travel. By special relativity, means they can use the transit between separate reference points to travel backwards in time relative to their starting point. (https://www1.phys.vt.edu/~takeuchi/relativity/notes/section10.html) I.E. the travelers can arrange their trip such that they arrive home before they left, arrive at their destination before they left, etc. Essentially the ability to transit between points a and b faster than light means you can travel backwards in time relative to any of these points.How does this fit with existing research into Aliens and ETs, or is the UFO community just choosing to ignore special relativity?
>>43039264Your most advanced imaginings fall short of their fundamentals.The quantum scale will eventually reveal a composition of our existent spatial structure that is, as yet, beyond our conceptualizations.It takes them a relative two hours to travel in their routine drive to work here using the equipment that they are willing to risk losing to the humans here.. a 39.3 light year journey. They also have equipment that can simply open a doorway between here and there, there being their three main home worlds. The vehicles that come here typically have the ability to dilate time and usually they add time to the field of their vehicle so they can move without being detected or disturbed.
>>43039264For me, it’s using evoked negative energy states generated by artificial Kerr Singularities to alter the relative permeability and permittivity of a small region of space to artificially raise the speed limit of c so you aren’t violating anything.
>>43039552So they *can* time travel, which is what option 2 stipulates.
>>43039669Conjugate time reversal time travel is not
>>43039569>evoked negative energy statesmeaningless technobabble
>>43039836Not really. Things get weird when shit gets really cold.
>>43039264FTL would also explain why we see no signs of their civilisation out there. They’ve outran their own light.>>43039552If time is emergent, then they only need to be able to manipulate the quantum interactions of particles to affect their localised time, controlling the amount of time dilation at will. They could even do it at rest.
>>43039264Paradoxes can’t happen, so they can’t go back in time. What they’re actually doing is arriving before their light does, but when they head back home to “arrive before they left” they are then speeding into their light so it speeds up to catch up to them when they arrive. They see themselves in fast forward, and can never reach themselves before they leave, like crossing an event horizon.
>>43040054They treat it much similar to how we lens light or radio waves.. the isolated field of their vehicle is affected by the energies that they are able to control. This is what the effect looks like;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgha03umwhwFor those onboard that quick flight was hours long.. with observation equipment and teams dedicated to watching the human activities.. especially the military industrial companies and facilities below that particular flight path Also, they are doing something to the matter that they are composed of in order to travel in this manner.. something along the lines of measuring very accurately exactly what they are moving in a way that affects the matter similar to how polarized light is different from random distribution of light. Before they travel they do a mass check before they move.. so if they have displacement of even a single atom it gets noticed.. maybe not immediately but very soon they will discover, for example, if you have tried to remove anything of substance from onboard. The particulates of debris even at the atomic scale are removed by a controlled field effect.. it looks like a little cloud of mist that forms in the middle of the room before being pushed down the hallway to be moved out of the vehicle through a workstation port aperture. I worked with them closely for several years. I'm not guessing.. but how would you ever be able to evaluate the claim?
>>43040090Interesting! The mist stuff I have not heard before. That video looks just like my last summon, too.How have you worked with them, and who in particular?
>>43040104The vehicle in the video is most likely the same crew I was working with for several years through the 90s before I returned to not fully having conscious recollection of the events each time they would visit. On one occasion in 93 they deliberately showed me that mode of operation in conjunction with a perhaps accidental demonstration of how the time dilation effect would have effect on the transfer of cognitive imagery.. during the interactions I had occasionally experienced direct cognitive transfer of mental imagery.. but in that case I was seeing through the perspective of someone onboard who was going to a window view area to look at the two people who seemed to be almost completely frozen in place.. she would observe briefly and then go somewhere further in the vehicle away from the viewing area.. so over the next few days I had the cognitive imagery showing up within my mind.. I had to examine it carefully to evaluate what I was seeing... I managed to make certain that I was not generating the imagery by any function of imagination.. the beings have technology and abilities that involve direct cognitive imagery transfer so it takes some getting used to. It takes a lot of experience with scrutiny of the imagery within the mind to be able to evaluate when this is happening. I had already learned not to look directly at the beings because once they had direct contact with your attention they would be in direct control over the visual awareness within your mind.. so I typically just looked at the floor and watched the body motion out of peripheral vision to evaluate the scene.
>>43040104So anyway she came to the window several times as the vehicle flew over us.. and each time it had moved several hundred feet in relation to the previous view.. onboard it seemed like three to five minutes looking our and then another 15 or so further in the interior. On the ground from my perspective they had flown down from the north over Saginaw and then maybe 120 feet overhead slightly south of where we were standing and then flew over carswell afb and general dynamics in a tight circle and at a different pace of motion.. then off to the west with maybe a total time in view of 9 to 12 seconds.. uncertain because the other person was viewing towards the north and saw them approaching
>>43040104The beings that do the routine maintenence on the human populations of earth don't have the highest level of technology.. they are subordinate to the tall whites who seem to be in the highest position regionally in the larger area. The little guys that get called greys are actually alabaster white in the correct lighting.. but it is apparently rare for a human to get to see them without some effort to conceal their presence. They have a lot of various types of beings involved in their activities here.. some receptive and passive and others assertive and in command control. Big difference between the events depending on which ones you are in the presence of.. often it was pretty chill until one of the assertive ones showed up and put everyone into activity immediately. I didn't bother trying to ask questions. I just made every effort to observe and see clearly in an effort to gatherenough information to evaluate later. There are clearly deeper levels of our consciousness that are already adapted to the environment of the beings and we function within their technology from those other deeper levels of consciousness with no recollection of the depths of our insight into the technology we have been interfacing with. For example on occasion I would become fully conscious and aware while I was already involved in doing something and would suddenly be thinking from my own ordinary human consciousness and awareness.. so I would not even understand what I was looking at. Like my consciousness had just decreased to return to my normal self.This is probably not how it works for everyone.. it's probably related to the mk ultra type crap.. with a created identity structure that functions like multiple personality disorder.. an alternative identity structure created within the neurological structures of the brain.But for the record.. my first fully conscious interaction with the beings was when I was 3 almost 4 and the mk ultra type programs began with me at age 5
>>43039264Say Ye, Say Ye, don’t we do this every day Ye?
>>43040362And I didn't explicitly point out that she was one of the little ones.. approximately 3ft tall and maybe 27 lbs. Long story but yeah not exactly guessing.. one was once standing on the corner of a waterbed in my house so I could clearly see the wrinkles on the waterbed mattress at the feet and see the head to judge the height..
>>43040104How is a long story worthy of writing a book.. but I first became conscious of the past events that I had not been conscious of.. and then after they had deliberately displayed a disc vehicle I began to be able to observe the events as they continued ongoing and gradually got better at remaining fully conscious during the interactions. At some point about three months after this began I was able to observe a flash of light that would abruptly end my memory for that session.. so the next time I had managed to look directly at the direction of the light source and saw the equipment responsible for the flash.. then the next time I was onboard with the little guys I had asked about it and they immediately took me to the tall whites onboard the vehicle of the tall whites.. very different inside ..wide open spaces partitioned off with sparse struts and beams and short low walls with a stairway type area in view. Seemed like four areas that were somewhat recognizable or comparable to human environments.. Anyway they were in charge of the equipment that was doing that and I saw the same equipment on a vehicle used by Nordic types on the only occasion I ever saw them. >>43040104
>>43039264>there are only two possibilities>pwease take me sewiouswylol
>>43039264> FTLbetween Alien visits + FTL and Alien visits, i take Alien visits. why would you need FTL ?near speed of light, distances and duration shrink (for the traveler). Travelers can be everywhere without getting too bored. sure, the pricetag is you lose track of time back at home, when they return its far into the future (maybe decades). but then, a few decades might (a) be "next tuesday", or (b) they might not really care.No FTL needed. Lets discuss one miracle at a time.
>>43039552Where are you getting this information from anon?
>>43040844Direct personal experience with the beings. I didn't travel with them to their own solar system as far as I can remember but I was aware of the cycle of their presence and I figured out that their day was about 92 or 93 hours long on the main world they inhabit.. and that I could tell when certain ones of them were thinking about me.. so I eventually figured out about how long it took to travel the distance. I saw Jupiter a couple of times while fully conscious.. once with another human and once alone with one being. Long stories if you want the details. I spent several years with nearly full conscious awareness during a majority of the interactions.. and then too much more is going on with cognitive communication technologies..
>>43040844I've written in several other threads that are currently open or recent enough to still be available to read ..and linked them across the threads in a few cases.. if you are interested >>43016508There are not too many people on the planet with the type of experience that I have.. but there are others. >>43033694
>>43040844>>43040888>>43040826>>43040834
>>43039264Why can’t they fold space?
>>43039264>>43039552So why don’t humans have nice things?
>>43039264>Essentially the ability to transit between points a and b faster than light means you can travel backwards in time relative to any of these points.Not necessarily. Taking a cue from Newtonian physics, you have could have a preferred "reference" frame and be allowed faster than light travel only with respect to that frame. That means faster than light without backwards time-travel. Time travel means you can go in a "causal loop" and visit your own past. Just being allowed to go faster than light isn't enough to guarantee that.
>>43040960They leave the equipment for doing that back at their home. It does exist but it's not used for humans very often. A human would have to do something like damage certain special equipment onboard for the qualified beings to be using that equipment as they investigate exactly how and why it happened. And I only know this one example from direct experience. Long story and just look at the thread. Little to no interest or competency. Maybe I'm fishing in a sewer here.. expecting to find bluefin and acting like it's a surprise that there are none here..
>>430392643: the ayys can teleport souls between construct bodys thus local cloning / breeding programs to acclimate avatar hosts.
>>43041162The humans choose poorly as if it were a competition to do so. Due to a lack of competency the humans are not in agreement of the meaning of nice things. The human linguistic formats do not exchange adequate information from individual to individual human to adequately describe their environment in general or in specific. The majority of humanity is only aware of, or concerned with, their own individual circumstances and are indifferent to anything beyond their own perspective. Even when you are saying we they are thinking only I. Some of the humans already have what you are describing. If you are referring to yourself and any group association you have access to, the answer to the question is only a matter of group coordination.. in values, motivations, and collective collaboration.How many humans can you bring into coordination with your own efforts? What nice things do you want? If you were to obtain the things you desire, where and how would they be preserved and protected.. and by whom? If you are not careful and deeply insightful you will get to watch others take advantage and control away from your self and your team.Why don't we, you and I, have nice things? You can have almost anything you want.. but it is not a trivial endeavor. It requires more than a single individual to make enduring human coordination towards long term preservation of anything. The illuminati seem to have sorted out how. How much do you know about the processes and organizational structure of their systems? It will basically require a similar effort. So the question is actually, do you actually want nice things enough to obtain them?
Love it when people cant grasp the fundamentals of special relativity, then fall for the engagement bait concepts of "going faster than light means traveling backwards in time" or "at the speed of light, time stops".It makes me cozy inside.
>>43041653The neat thing about direct observation is that you don't have to already understand what you are seeing, you only have to be completely honest with yourself about exactly what you have seen. Then over time you can research the concepts to find what fits the observations. I had no educational foundational background and had to build my understanding over time through research and reading. I didn't start out knowing that consciousness is a bosonic field.. but it was the only thing in human knowledge that fit to describe the technology of the beings that are clearly able to manage consciousness as easily as we manage liquids, sounds, and energetic frequencies.
>>43041686The only reading you've done is the hungry caterpillar bud.Literal schizo word salad tier thinking on par with Terrance Howard in a poor attempt at sounding intellectual.Let me try to create an analogy for you to explain how retarded you sound to someone who actuallystudied this field. "Human consciousness exists in the bosonic field" is so retardedly nonsensical that it is equivalent to someone saying "phones are powered by stop signs".That is how retarded you sound, just so you have a frame of reference.
>>43041644I understand what you mean. Everyone has experienced what you describe. And yes, I would like nice things but I don’t trust most people anymore because of the aforementioned reasons you brought up. I try my best with a few people I know I can trust and my spiritual alchemical trials. But even so, I know how limiting even that is. Now I can see how far we are behind them. Thank you.
>>43041816https://free.ai/shared/yiyCJdZxTEzesuCKEZbpAg/The untestablity status will change when there are enough humans with brain computer interface installed for the collection of data of direct observation within the field of perception of the individual humans during the process of divisions of branches. You have theory.. well tested by known observable phenomenon.. but still only theory. I have direct observation beyond the scope of the established realm of known observable phenomenon. You would absolutely laugh at and ridicule the science of your future human societies.. not because those future humans are wrong though.
>>43042099Was targeting >>43041720
>>43041816I aim to form a group. I have ideas towards the subject.I have not yet taken the first solid steps from which there will be no turning back.. but I am mulling over the idea of starting with a tangible offer for group involvement.. with the initial legal structure of a private social club.. for all the same reasons that the bohemian grove was established as a private social club in 1872.
>>43039264>How does this fit with existing research into Aliens and ETs, or is the UFO community just choosing to ignore special relativity?Whether it's ETs or future humans time travelling, as you point out it's the same tech. I believe the fact they're humanoid, interested in us, can breed with us, can exist in our atmosphere, etc. points to them being future humans. Genuine ETs would view us as barely different to other mammals, we're not developed enough to attract the attention of ETs.The questions then are: what are the rules of time-travel? What've we got wrong, and what's right? Can we utilise this tech?
>>43041617This is identical to FTL travel but the object traveling is a consciousness instead of a physical being. Relativistic restrictions still apply to the observer.
>>43041617See>>43018035>>43018138>>43018317and >>43018289
There's a third possibility that you neglected that is perhaps even more plausible than anything else and that is the advanced evolutionary state of consciousness wherein a higher being wouldn't even need to build anything physical to travel. They may be able to project pure consciousness across many light years as a sort of remote viewing. We may be interacting with these things on a daily basis and not even realize it. When you see a UFO or unidentified craft of any sort it very may well be a remote viewer. It would explain why I feel another presence when I'm dreaming as it often feels like there is an observer in my head. I even had one experience where I was placed inside a movie theatre and I was surrounded by greys. We were all sitting down watching my early memories unfold on the screen. Shit felt so real I can still remember this 10 years after it happened.
>>43042285relativistic restrictions still apply. If you can observe two separate points a, b. and can traverse them faster than light can travel between them, you can observe them at any point in time you wish.However, this does make sense still you mention you could experience memories from earlier in your life. Perhaps this was direct observation of your past. It wouldn't break causality to be a pure observer, i.e. you can't affect the physical universe, so your location in time relative to what you are observing is irrelevant.
..whut?
>>43039264>TimeI'm looping
>>43046388Checked
>>43046388Checked and looping
