Any members/knowers about this here? Are they akin to masons? Or compleatly diffrent
>>43053028They are Thelemites who didn't answer to Crowley. The original order split into multiple successor lodges. They practice sex magic.
>>43053076So they will get me pussy?
>>43053123Maybe if you pass the preliminary stage after being given a chance.
>>43053028This is sitting on my self in my read next pile
>>43053028Germans larping as Jews
>>43053339Intresting might have to give it a read.
>>43053028Aren’t these guys the Thule society offshoots?
>>43055056Nope the nazis forced em under ground for a few years aleddgedly they come from the MUNICH 99 but i think just the upper echelons know this
>>43055181Do they’re Thule society rivals? Peers?
>>43055056No, they split from the Pansophic Lodge.
>>43053123Impossible No one can get you laid
There is no Saturn, there is no Chronos. There are no other false gods. There is but the One.
>>43057677Uhm thule came later i think but, in what i know they are not related,
>>43060275No clue if the thule even exist anymore
>>43058851Sure dude
>>43053028I know the depiction of Count Orlok is their egregore for the lodge - I also know that Mernau was a gay pederast who moved to Hollywood. With that said, Nosferatu is my favorite horror film.
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>>43062787Who is she?
>>43053028Are you interested in thr Fraternitas specifically or in the cult of Saturn in general?
>>43063636>Who is he?
>>43064609Both
>>43064933As for the Fraternitas, see this book >>43053339As for the cult of Saturn, you can either read on it (i.e.: cult of the black cube) or just start your personal relationship with Saturn. Invocation, evocation, meditation, planetary magic, etc.The world's your proverbial oyster, anon.
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>>43064961My oyster? I wouldn’t want to be so shellfish.
>>43053028Best frat house on Saturn
>>43058851Lol. Lmao.
>>43062787>gay pederast who moved to Hollywood.If you not welcome in tel-aviv i suppose thats the next best optionAlso im the op check ghis cool butterfly i found.>>43064609Fraternitas specificly,but also of course the saturnite "temper" so to speak which im trying to emulate in my day today life.>>43066479Cool fucking place, do you own serveral cars aswell ;)
>>43053028>>43064961>As for the cult of Saturn, you can either read on it (i.e.: cult of the black cube) or just start your personal relationship with Saturn. Invocation, evocation, meditation, planetary magic, etc.The world's your proverbial oyster, anon.Take some Golden Bough, some Tantra (see Shiva), some Gnosticism (Plotinus is imperative for culmination of Gnosticism) and some modern technodrug underground and you've got a sold handle on what's happening. The issue is you still need to peak behind the curtain to see what the cargo cult retards are actually doing in places like Hollyweird.>>43062787 is evidently just having fun. If you actually want to know where the Saturnfags went and what they were talking about, you're looking for Frank, the Frank threads and the modern cults he and his followers promulgated. You'll find they like Donnie Darko, they like Lost, they like Gnosticism and Freemasonry, they like Worlds3d and they talk a curious amount about or are geared oddly toward Karma.They were a bit goofy and theatrical for me. Stimulating, sure. They were usually smarter or at least really tried to appear smarter than your average normalfag and even average anon. They were cool for the most part though. It left me with a lasting impression in regard to Saturn and I now adamantly feel he's a neutral party and it's weird when normalfags antagonize him. They did have a good point after all.
>>43067413Yeah saturn as an archetype (pre greek myth) was one of solitude,patience,long term planing, secret knowledge and also apperently harvest (my interpretation is that you reap what you sow) also farming requiers a suprising amount of planing and if you fuck something up sucks to be you that fields crops are usless. Hope your famimy dosent starve
>>43067413FRANK MENTIONED!What can you tell about COS anon?
>>43067762Remind me what COS means first since I don't remember. I've done a lot of shit since then and you'll remember, being that you seem to know what I'm talking about, that this was over a decade ago.
>>43067764church of scientology? >im butterfly guy from above^
>>43067841Oh they're related to all of the offshoot lodges. Most people connect them to the Hollyweird-tier lodges. The bulk of Hubbard's system seems to me like an experiment that LDS iterated. All of them ultimately are linked to the IC.Perhaps the big disappointment here is realizing how connected a lot of these spheres are to feds.
>>43067934Good if you want to be recuruited by the glowies i recon. >ICLike icoc an icc or am i missunderstanding?
>>43067946>Good if you want to be recuruited by the glowies i recon.What a funny thing to say when the answer to your question is "Intelligence Community".
>>43058851So how come demons worship Saturn as their god? Yes. Borrowing time from him. Ages in return. They pay it by tormenting humans. Source: dreams
>>43067947Well case in point. But yeah so have you yourself been in the FS (one thing one probably need to do is learn german [im on it] and move to a country whit a lodge) but yeah i think what im saying is do you have any pointers?
Saturn is great. He gives discipline and more.
>>43067764Cult of Saturn, also i'm not this Anon. >>43067841Those Saturn threads were the best thing to ever graze /x/, they had a re-run from 2019 to 2022 and never came back, their website is also down.
>>43068519Ah well in the end they were alright. A lot of what they did we stimulating, like I said. A big focus they had was on media and the messages embedded within its various forms. I appreciated that a lot. You'll recall they frequently mentioned Donnie Darko, for example.Anon, I think it's best to understand the development of Gnostic ideas and particularly as they revolve around Saturn-Gadreel. Follow the developments from the Proto-Gnostics to the modern era. This will help you get a good grasp of how they feel about Saturn.In the end, I have a deeper appreciation of Saturn. I'm not around any of those guys anymore and believe me when I tell you there's a lot of technological and lovecraftian themes, but it's important for all of us to remember it's a Cargo Cult and this is why I suggested Frazier earlier - to understand that's what's going on. It's not just Hollyweird comprising the Cargo Cult either.
>>43053123>(((Sex magic)))>pussyAnon, i think you'll be disapointed of you think that this is this kind of sex...
>>43069512>A big focus they had was on media and the messages embedded within its various forms.They are called Synchronicities.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchromysticism>You'll recall they frequently mentioned Donnie Darko, for example.The rabbit is an agent of chaos, and the tangent universes are real.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rabbit>This will help you get a good grasp of how they feel about SaturnThe Ophite and Sethian Gnostics believed Saturn was the Demiurge/Yaldabaoth, God of the Abrahamics.>In the end, I have a deeper appreciation of Saturn.Same, Saturn isn't evil, just indifferent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL3RgW8oigg
>>43069584>welcome to my esoteric religion based on Crowley >proceeds to rape the men in the assEvery fucking time
>>43069981Ophites and sethians were right bros
>>43069981>They are called Synchronicities.I disagree heavily. They aren't synchronicities a la Jung, but themes among most stories humans tell, often deployed by various groups that enjoy proliferation of certain symbolisms.>rabbitFrank was in the movie Donnie Darko, anon.>Ophite and Sethian>Saturn>Demiurge/Yaldaboath>God of AbrahamicsSaturn pervades not just Gnosticism but the vast majority of spiritual systems, anon. It isn't just Egyptian, Greek, Gnostic/Hellenistic, Hindu or any of the other big ones, like "Abrahamics". The theme is very, very common and the different groups just call the being or role different names. The idea that only the Ophites or Sethians had affiliations with Demiurge/Yaldaboath is laughable since virtually everyone else did too. It wasn't until Plotinus reminded them that Plato insisted the Demiurge was a neutral being that they largely abandoned this idea and joined the crowd once again, commonly referring to Tetragrammaton, Saklas, Abraxas and plenty more, like Samael or Gadreel.The Gnostics very, very briefly had that idea, the "Abrahamics" just copied what everyone else was doing and, as you allude to at the end, the notion that Saturn is evil seems silly. To not know about the association with Samsara and Malkuth, to not understand what Harvest means, to be totally unaware of what Moksha really is and especially to antagonize Saturn is to be green, to completely misread what people believed initially, what they changed their minds to and what they believe now. People like >>43072534 shouldn't be including themselves in these discussions, evidently not knowing the history.Look, it's one thing to not know the details of what the Sethians or Ophites believed, but to only know what a very, very small sliver of Gnostics believed and then run around claiming not just that there was a consensus, but that it was a popular or long-held belief is frankly just insulting.
>>43070625I'm basically certain that Crowley, like the Druids, South Americans and everyone else the Catholics murdered and pretended they didn't, wasn't actually gay and this shit was all written in to defame him so people wouldn't read what he said, wouldn't attempt to understand it and certainly wouldn't try any of it.Did you know the feds and their private contractors are pretty familiar with Crowley, his system and deriving practical applications from its common use?By all means, keep pretending he's gay so there's nothing there for you to find. While you're at it, don't bother learning about Astrology, Endocrinology or Psychology, let alone how they intersect in the Occult or "Spiritual" world. That'd be silly.
So, uhh.. the kronos cult is basically a bunch of retarded narcissist that're afraid of getting old so they pray to a god from Greek myth that's god of time and somehow the planet Saturn at the same time. The Greeks had more brains then these fucktards.
>>43072786>I disagree heavily.>themes among most stories humans tell.Those are Archetypes yes but the original CoS/VoX threads were about Synchronicity Journals, those common themes are also Synchronicities, everything is connected.>Frank was in the movie Donnie Darko, anon.I know, but within CoS the Rabbit also represents the grand truth which they chase. It is an agent of change and chaos.>The idea that only the Ophites or Sethians had affiliations with Demiurge/Yaldaboath is laughable since virtually everyone else did too.I never said everyone else didn't, i mentioned them because you mentioned Gnosticism.>>43072802>Crowley wasn't gay.He was more gay than bisexual, read the materials of the XIº (Eleventh) Degree of the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) which Crowley formulated himself.
>>43073128>within CoS the RabbitShares an important relationship with Saturn and is a symbol of Luna, actually.>I mentioned them becauseYeah, that's fair. I did sort of wane into being annoyed with common talking about about "Gnostics".>Crowley was gayI know what's attested, even in his own diaries. I'm still unsure how much I believe it seeing how common this routine is. It just happened to fucking Candace Owens, anon. In fact, I'd wager there's more about the guy that isn't earnest just like most mythical people on Crowley's caliber. Even then, I don't really care much about how gay Crowley was and it's funny this comes up any time someone mentions Crowley anymore. It's like someone gamed some rhetoric that would disable interest in Crowley and "he's gay... it says so in his journal!" is the best someone could come up with.Look, I shouldn't say he's probably not gay. He did literally eat semen pastries. Sure he was gay. That's a really gay thing to do. But you know what, anon? I don't really care that much. Read his writings. You'll see why people still rant about him online in anonymous corners of the internet a century later.
the west has completely the wrong idea. Saturn is the lord of karma. He just wants you to remain humble, treat people (especially the elderly) with respect, and to remain patient. He is not the God of the elite. He's more of the God of the people, the marginalized, the poor. Pic related/
>>43073389>moloch wants you to be humble
>>43073389The crypto-jew written this book
>>43073389>saturn is god of jeets, whiggers and mystery meat shitskinsIn other words saturn is nurgleAnd he is god of elite, as above so bellow
>>43073285>Shares an important relationship with Saturn.How so?>and is a symbol of Luna, actually.Yes, which is why i posted this wiki link here >>43069981 ,because it's the Moon Rabbit.>Read his writings.They are extremely Cryptic, if you want to know what they're actually about i think you should read R.A.W instead.
>>43073389>He's more of the God of the people, the marginalized, the poor. In other words of the gross filthVery expectionally very few of them are good people, most of them are gross filth
>>43072802No he wrote about being gay
>>43067762It's all a coincidence?
>>43067762The pic/meme , it's all a coincidence?
>>43073285Also i've noticed FRANK is in many movies, is he an actual person or allegorical character/archetype? What is FRANK exactly?FRANK is also in the movie Sausage Party which is highly Gnostic.The food products of the supermarket (representative of humanity) are eaten upon death and the ideas of Heaven were made by a select few (the Non Perishables) so people would go out the doors of death with a smile instead of horror...>>43074870There is no such thing as coincidence.
>>43064626Who is him?
>>43073389Saturn's generally responsible for overseeing your experience of Samsara. In building the guardrails for humans experiencing Karma, Saturn is also responsible for the result of our experiences or Cause and Effect which means Time. What is Saturn waiting for? Mostly your maturity but also you to ripen so he can pluck you out of Samsara like a vegetable in a garden.Calling him the "God of the Elite" is accurate because of their Techno-Lovcraftian Cargo Cults that they themselves hardly understand. Calling him the "God of the People" is accurate as well because of what I've just explained. The bodies we wear are also his and you can learn more by reading the story of Ptah.>>43073405"Molech", a title, is totally irrelevant to this conversation.>>43073694>relationship with SaturnLuna and Saturn work in concert. Luna's revolutions dictate our calendar and thus her and Saturn are associated at a basic level. But there's more to it: think of Luna as a catalyst that transmits the energies of Sol and Saturn back and forth, the two being polar axes of our Solar System. As such, the Lunar-Saturnian Matrix is a vital construct to the human experience. There's plenty more though.>extremely CrypticThat's on purpose. It's all a word game designed to filter out stupid people, the uninitiated and the unimaginative. To get anything from Crowley, you have to actually do the leg work. There's a very, very serious reason he's considered the pinnacle in the world of the Profane.>>43074523Now scroll down.>>43075038>What is Frank?An egregore, obviously. You're currently constructing/promulgating him with me right now. He's plenty more, obviously, but part of his role is an initiatory effort.>a smile instead of horror...The reason these ideas are seeded to you through "entertainment" now instead of the Sacred Way is because too many of you did too much of the drugs, decided War was stupid and you weren't doing it anymore so the "authorities" banned them.
>>43053123You have to let be buggered by the cult's elders first
>>43076876>Mostly your maturity but also you to ripen so he can pluck you out of Samsara like a vegetable in a garden.Harvest is a better term (Sickle), and there is no "out side" of Samsara.>the "authorities" banned them.I thought Predictive Programming was to condition people to desensitize them to the horrors and normalize them, some even go with the Karmic Absolution route but i don't buy that one.>you have to actually do the leg work.Not really if you know where to look.>Luna and Saturn work in concert.Yes i've heard about the Saturn Moon Matrix, how the Planets communicate with each other via Vibration a-la Musica Universalis from Pythagoras.
>>43077182>no "out side" of SamsaraWhat did you think Moksha meant, silly?>Predictive ProgrammingMost of this is overblown. Not all of it, but normalfags learned about the idea and commonly overplay it now. In essence, a lot of the "Predictive Programming" shit is just themes that get proliferated and later, after entraining the media consumers, the idea comes to fruition. It's happened quite a few times. The Simpsons is pretty interesting, but calling it "Predictive Programming" is a misunderstanding when forecasting would be a better call.>know where to lookThat's doing the leg work.>PythagorasIt's more than Pythagoras, but sure.
>>43077262>What did you think Moksha meant, silly?Liberation from the cycle, which i see not as physical (as in there is somewhere else "better" to be) but more like Samadhi, the dissolution of the ego, where the meditator and the object of meditation merge into one, leading to total oneness and liberation (Moksha).>when forecasting would be a better call.A forecast is an estimate, predictive programming is not, they don't "predict" things they reveal them.>That's doing the leg work.True, but it's less legwork than going through his curriculum 1 by 1 just to even begin to understand his texts.https://outercol.org/htmldoc/curriculum.html>It's more than Pythagoras, but sure.Yes but he was one of the first to properly figure out the musical nature of it all, another one who figured it out was Edward Leedskalnin.>picrel
>>43076876Crowley is frat boy esoteric He was a fat nasty queer who died like he deserved Drug addicted and alone
>>43076917>get butt raped to joinAlways the case with cults
Yes, I am the father of Saturn. Yes, it is to me who everyone bows down to when they think they bow towards a statue or venerate it. Yes, when someone thinks they're enjoying something, it's actually me in their place enjoying it.Yes, when someone thinks they did good or bad, it's me using them as a pawn. Yes, when something exists, it isn't without me, they're desperate and without spirit - without me.
>>43076876>"Molech", a title, is totally irrelevant to this conversation.Literal jewish pilpul.And no, its his true nature as god of child sacrifice.
>>43076876No moloch is there for loosh and not that goofy sabbatean frankist and jeet nonsense you preach.
>>43076876>as such, the Lunar-Saturnian Matrix is a vital construct to making the human experience pure shit Fixed you.
