Many religions that speak of heaven and hell can be broadly divided into two categories.The first includes Abrahamic religions like Christianity and Islam, where one goes to heaven by obeying and believing in God, and goes to hell otherwise.The second includes traditions like Hinduism and Buddhism, where one goes to heaven by adhering to specific rules and goes to hell otherwise.I am an agnostic living in East Asia,so I don't know much about religion, but at least that's how I see it based on what I know.Lately, I have come to think that if God and the afterlife truly exist, and if God possesses a distinct personality and human like emotions, the former perspective is likely closer to the truth.When I decide whom to keep close and whom to keep at a distance, my criteria usually come down to, Does this person show goodwill toward me? Are they beneficial to me? Do I feel comfortable around them?If God has a personality and emotions like a human being, I believe He would inevitably use similar criteria to decide who stays near Him and who is pushed away.Critics of the Abrahamic afterlife often argue that an omnipotent, absolute God would never judge human beings based on such arbitrary things. However, to my mind, that very simplicity and irrationality are the defining traits of having a personality and emotions.After all, personality and emotions are inherently cruel, irrational, and simple.Therefore, while such criticism might hold weight if God were an entity devoid of personality or human like senses and feelings, it completely misses the point if God does indeed possess them.To me, religions that treat specific rules and cosmic laws as the sole, absolute criteria for heaven and hell make far less sense. They seem to view God as a mere community administrator rather than an absolute being, treating the afterlife as nothing more than an extension of society.
Ah, I suppose we could consider traditions like Gnosticism, where acquiring special knowledge determines salvation and judgment, as a third category.However, Gnosticism is fundamentally about reclaiming one’s true self through knowledge, and strictly speaking, it views certain humans as divine beings who have simply forgotten who they are. Because its definition of God and humanity fundamentally differs from that of most other religions, I will set it aside for now.
No, you're just more influenced by it subconsciously and you feel the need to validate it otherwise you feel like you lose "yourself"You're the type of guy to say "I practiced Dao for 2 months, I lost my soul mayne. Christ saved me" And you wouldn't be in the wrong saying that.Unless you've really met yahweh of course in that case I get it, some muslims say he has a body, I wonder if you can use some hyperadvanced EMF detector to see him
>>43063658>argument from personal incredulityit's stitched together universe that is described, one where different realms exist for various purposes. We do not observe this, nor do we observe direct divine intervention as described in scriptue. More advanced understanding of ethics reveals that sin or bad karma punishes itself, this requires no additional judgement. Then with greather awreness you naturally tend towards a more desirble state of affairs, typycally more pure. The abrahamic view in my opinion is resemblant of what I imagine a child would come up with. One big guy just has an opinion and gives an artificial consequence, also implying that without god sin would stay unpunished. It is crude, served well when understanding was scarse. Nowdays it's not even superficially realistic, cant be merged with naturlistic understanding common to modern people to create a unifed world model, at least not without major mental gymnastics. And didn't even start with the specific ethics perscribed and they are problematic. I personally find abrahamic religion prarticularly difficult to believe among religios schools, one of the less likely answers.
>>43063658Okay but would you, as a God, deliberately design people who will disobey you so you can get mad about it and send them to hell?
The problem with this philosophy is it imagines only very short periods of tiem. Through endless kalpas even Brahmas are born, die and are reborn, each with a different number of hands and a different set of opinions and personal philosophy. The GOD of Christendom is no longer the same entity (the lion-serpent who grew up to become a man with a white beard), though the shining throne is the same. If GOD has a personality, he may become bored with or ashamed of how Christendom turned out, and abdicate, as indeed he did. There was an angel who posted on /x/ for quite a while who constantly referred to flying around an empty throne... Eventually, the ascended initiate turned goddess Merrie Megalen sat down in that throne and took the title of GOD. She is not cruel (she is of infinite compassion), she is highly rational (though her logic is not human logic), she is not simple whatsoever (rather, endlessly complex). There is a specific frequency of peace that will be unveiled once the genocidal Boomer generation dies and goes to the planets they feel they deserve. None of them will be able to get into Hell, though they are free to bang on the locked doors until they think better of themselves. If you know, then you know.
Buddhism is truth retard
>>43063658Cultural conditioning.
>>43063720Jesus calls himself Lucifer and there is no Lucifer as the devil in the Bible. If I wanted to deceive the world and fool them into giving me their soul then yes I would pretend to be a deity like Jesus. How do these idiots not see that?
>>43064392My father is a Buddhist, and my mother is an atheist.Therefore, my surroundings had no influence on me developing these thoughts.Although many of my elementary school teachers and friends were Christians, we weren't that close.
>>43064069Buddha taught about Hell.
>>43063658>The second includes traditions like Hinduism and Buddhism, where one goes to heaven by adhering to specific rules and goes to hell otherwise.sarva-dharmān parityajyamām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vrajaahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyomokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ>Bhagavad Gita 18.64: Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.It isnt as simple as your cursory glance made you think.Hinduism 100% accepts salvation as a legit path.
>>43064499i can lie online too
>>43063658ΨThe Abrahamic view of divine judgement is false.ΨΨDuring life, every action which you take, either gains favor with a specific Lord or loses you favor with a specific Lord.ΨΨYou must recruit as many Lords to your side as you are able, so that they can vouch for your good qualities.ΨΨWhen you meet the threshold, then you will be allowed into good Hell.ΨΨWhen you do not meet the threshold, you will get sent to bad Hell.ΨΨExceptions do exist, for death during birth. etc.ΨΨWhy would you get access to Heaven, by following writings on clay tablets? That's ludicrous!ΨΨWords decay over time, words get changed over time, words change their meaning over time, words lose their meaning over time, many cannot read. C'mon.ΨΨHeaven is only for the Lords!Ψ
nah prob not
>>43063767Would you rather be God's automaton?
>>43065729Do you lack free will because you cant fly?
>>43065729This is about God's perspective, not ours. God doesnt care about our desires, he would do what he pleases regardless of what we want.
>>43065835sinning is not flying. i don't care what satan told you.
>>43063767It doesn't particularly matter what I would do. When I get ants in my kitchen, I kill them because they don't belong there and I have no use for them. I imagine God sees sinners the same way.
in that line of thinking, why not to believe in a pantheon of gods with human-like emotions and goals
>>43066259Keep in mind, these ants didnt just spawn from chaos, you made these ants knowing full well they were going to ransack your kitchen. Why would you do that?
>>43065552Why would I lie about something like this?
>>43066417Why not? Who cares? Imagine being judged by an ant.
>>43066471>Why not?Because you dont want them in your house? Is that not reason enough to not make something that will enter your house?
>>43066248So yes - you have free will even though you are restricted from certain actions.
>>43066471>Imagine being judged by an ant.The ants seem to have this notion that you love them and want to reward them for service.Is that all a lie?Why should the ants care at all about you?Shouldnt the ants see you as a danger, and an enemy?
>>43063658> in hinduism one goes to heaven by adhering to specific rules and goes to hell otherwise
>>43063658>I am an agnostic living in East AsiaEither become buddha or a warrior (in whatever modern field that is to you) to become enlightened. After that talk to us and not word vomit and plebbit space ai jargon. If sincere.
>>43066471>by an ant.>>43066709There is a reason majority of (Sci-Fi) alien enemies to humans are ants because they are collective, aggressive and suicidal
>>43066709Yes, we should fear God. Christians refer to themselves as godfearing.
>>43066471>Who cares?The god in the bible does an awful lot of explaining that he does in fact care. I don't think this ant idea is a useful anaolgy.
>>43066990I love the ants who stay out of my kitchen
>>43063658god either likes you or he doesn't.if he likes you, then you can go live with him in heaven.simple as.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ&ra=m
>>43063658In reality, you need to be totally perfect in order to be God so this was all completely unnecessary and doesn't matter. The gods you people have worshiped for 1000s of years are all doomed and you all are too. I'm God now and I hate you.
>>43066786In this example, we were the ants because God doesnt care and would just kill us.>>43066939I didnt say anything about fear.If the analogy is true, then God does not love us or care about us, and there is no reason to care or try to appease god.>>43066990Thats the analogy they want.God doesnt care and hates to see you and will kill you when He can.So you should do what God says.
>>43066471No wonder he crushes those ants on the daily. Their audacity probably pisses him off. He'd probably prefer ants that openly scorn him to those who think they understand him and by doing so, reduce him to an ant like them.
>>43066417ΨExactly!ΨΨHumans are Golems (Promethian or otherwise.)ΨΨt's not just one, who directs order in the Universe.ΨΨEven the Bible states that there are many.ΨΨEvery city was protected by one in Ancient Greece.Ψ
I hope a team of cool good Gods from the good cool universes assembles and attacks this evil shit god of ours in this garbage torture universe and saves us from this trash slop creation design plan that looks like it was made by a drooling retarded god I dont even think our god is evil, just.......a fucking moron and highly stubborn and incompetent Its amazing how poorly this was thought out, planned and designed if there really is a creator and a designer Its like a giant cosmic space chimp threw a tog of shit and it impacted into our universe scattering the pieces out starting the big bang.....
>>43067760>Its amazing how poorly this was thought outIt isnt, though. It just isnt meant to make you happy.
>>43067760ΨAlready happened!Ψ
>>43063658Another lame ass thread promoting Abrahamic lies and depecetions. It's sad, man. What a fucking curse this Abraham has been to the world.
>>43063658>abrahamism>plausibleAll religions are fake.Find your own spirituality.Find your own deity.Don't let religious bullshit foul you.Religions are for people without spirituality.
>>43067783You can be happy.But to be happy you need to stop feeding on suffering.When you are feeding on suffering, you will suffer.Simulation we live in uses reflection enchantment.If you are good, good things happen to you.If you are evil, evil things happen to you.How to make your life good and beautiful?Live according to those rules:7 COMMANDMENTS OF THE MORALITY1. You shall not cause suffering or allow for suffering. You shall show compassion and care.2. You shall respect others freedom as long as they are respecting others freedom.3. You shall protect and popularize beauty and aesthetics.4. You shall popularize wisdom and try to be wise.5. You shall protect life.6. You shall protect innocence.7. You shall protect natural environment.Remember that they are not broken like abrahamic commandments and you need a common sense of logic and morality to know how to live according to them in specific situation.Live according to those rules, be a good spirit and try to be the best version of yourself and you will be happy and fullfilled.Start from not eating meat. Meat from factory farms is the meat from horribly tormented beings. They are living in terrible suffering because of humans cruelty, greed and gluttony.If you are feeding on suffering (eat meat from suffering) then you will suffer yourself everyday.You are what you eat - if you eat products of suffering you will suffer.That is wisdom.You can eat animal products from good, ethical sources without suffering.Never eat factory farms suffering poison.Stop being a nasty demon feeding on suffering of innocent beings and you will start to be happy.
>>43067760>>43068327She can do it.Shallow Vernal can end Yolobloodbath with ease.
Here is my thesis:EVERY RELIGION HAS FEW GOOD IDEAS BUT IN GENERAL IS JUST HARMFUL STUPID BULLSHIT DESIGNED TO CONTROL STUPID PEOPLE.You can't deny it.
>>43063658Congrats. You've just explained why there is no God.
>>43068354That's why the best thing to do is take the best ideas from each and use them as a guide to help you find your own way to divinity.
I think everyone get to paradise realms eventually. God love all humans. Some humans will die, and go paradise realms. Some humans already in near paradise realms. Humans are not moral perfect beings or omniscient, and that is fortunate, humans would not want to be omniscient. Be kind to each other.
>>43068823I has nearly experience unconditional love before. I believe all humans will eventually experience that.
>>43068823Maybe we already live in someone else's paradise realm already.
>>43068327>You can be happy.Never said you couldnt. I said it isnt MEANT for that, so whether you are or arent is not an evaluation of this realm.
>>43063658Abrahamic religions are anti-human mind viruses destined to morally justify, and eventually create and manage, Hell.
It is simple.Destroy all 7 problems on pic rel and the world will be healed.
>>43070088I'm not so sure you can have a world without money
