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Even though the Overlords have good intentions, they impose their will in an authoritarian way, wielding their immense technological power to mold society into their Utopian vision. In many ways, the Overlords are like dictators and not everyone accepts them. The character Hugo Wainwrigh, who owns a media company, expresses his disdain for the Overlords’ governance over humanity and pitches gloom-ridden conspiracy theories about them, and a group is created called the Freedom League emboding humanity’s struggle for autonomy and self-determination. Despite commandeering control of Earth, we never get to see what the Overlords look like.
From early on, we learn that the Overlords don’t want to reveal their true appearance, because they feel that humanity "isn’t ready", and so Stormgren is chosen by the Overlords to act as their spokesperson -- what one character calls “the sole spokesperson for an alien race”. The ambassador for the Overlords, Karellen, explains to Stormgren why they decided to invade, saying:
>“Humanity was on the verge of discovering interstellar travel, but the stars are not for man”.
The Overlords believe humans are destroying themselves, and the Earth, and invaded because they deem humanity as too much of an immature species to continue on their evolutionary path alone. Eventually, the Earth’s people acclimate to the Overlords and Karellen decides to reveal himself. When he does, people are shocked to see that he looks like our imagination of Satan.

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>>43081081
The appearance of Karellen shares characteristics with Baphomet which was a horned-deity that the Knights Templars worshipped. Aside from the obvious characteristics they share of being a winged, goat-headed humanoid, as Karellen reveals himself, two children are on his either arm, which is the same as the statue of Baphomet in Salem. Baphomet is sometimes said to be a non-human intelligence, variously described as a demon or deity, or an esoteric representation of the harmony of opposites inspired by alchemical teachings. Aleister Crowley referred to Baphomet as the "Lion and the Serpent", possibly suggesting that Baphomet is dualistc in nature and has a split persona. The most famous reimagining of Baphomet is Éliphas Lévi’s drawing from 1856. Éliphas said that Baphomet represented the "equilibrium of opposites" which was essential to his magnetistic-magical notion of Astral Light and equated Baphomet with the “Goat of Mendes” which was believed to be "Banebdjedet" who was the manifestation of Osiris. If we say that Karellen is a representation of Baphomet who’s the manifestation of Osiris, this might explain why Karellen guided humanity into a “Golden Age”, because the Golden Age was originally tied to the reign of Osiris.

In Egypt, Ra, Horus, Osiris, and Ptah all take the form of a horned god [Some scholars believe that Horus is Osiris reborn]
David Talbott, The Saturn Myth

KARELLEN SHOWS ONE-EYE AS HE'S REVEALED (IMAGE LEFT IS HORUS FROM "GODS OF EGYPT")
With their advanced technology, the Overlords are able to instantaneously heal gunshot wounds, cure previously incurable diseases, and provide humanity with an endless source of food. Most of Earth’s people welcome the Overlords, but some defy their rulership. The character Peretta is one of the people who defy. Peretta believes the Overlords are deceiving humanity. She has an unshakable belief in Jesus and she draws on her beliefs to oppose Karellen.

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>>43081086
However, her antagonism towards Karellen is ironic, because Karellen has distinguishing messianic overtones that very much make him like Jesus. The narrative of fundamentalist Christian apocalypticism where Jesus returns to rapture evangelical souls parallels how Karellen raptures children (only those who have maintained a mystical capacity) from the apocalyptic ending of the world. Like Jesus, Karellen is also killed by his enemies, but resurrected, and he makes his first physcial appearance in a Christ-like pose. Like Jesus, Karellen also heals crippled people, albeit with “miraculous” technology. Gematrically, the name Karellen also represents 33, which is a number heavily associated with Jesus. Also, when Karellen’s ship appears it hovers over the Jesus statue in Brazil. In my opinion, Karellen is supposed to be a representation of Jesus, but the director has hidden this revelation behind subtle references and metaphorical images, obscuring the message.

AS KARELLEN'S SHIP MAKES ITS APPEARANCE IT HOVERS OVER THE JESUS STATUE IN BRAZIL
Why would the director symbolize Karellen as Jesus? When Karellen reveals himself, the symbolism hints at the idea that Karellen is a representation of Baphomet (an assumed manifestation of Osiris) and some argue that Baphomet and Jesus are interchangeable (this is argued in the book ‘The Baphomet of Éliphas Lévi’, by Abraxas Aletheia). Sicilian researcher, Antonio Marchetti, studying the Shroud of Turin (believed to once be in the possession of the Templars who worshipped Baphomet) claims that the image shows Jesus with horns. Like Baphomet, Jesus was also described as a hermaphrodite by some sects. Hippolytus, a Christian theologian writer of the pre-Constantinian era, said that they considered Jesus to be a hermaphrodite, as the Ophites did. Osiris is also sometimes shown in the form of a hermaphrodite (see the article ‘Allegorical Slumber’, by Eric Klaus).

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>>43081092
Various researchers have linked Osiris with Jesus. The amateur Egyptologist Gerald Massey believed that Osiris and Jesus were the same person. One of Massey’s references for his assertion is that Osiris was essentially deemed “Christ” centuries prior to the purported existence of Jesus. Comparing the characteristics of Osiris with those of Jesus we can see similarities. Osiris is the god of vegetation in general. Jesus is the god of vegetation generally. Like Jesus, Osiris is killed by his enemies and resurrected. Jesus was symbolized as a stag in early Christian artwork and Osiris was also represented as a horned-god. Jesus was said to be the Morning Star in Revelation. Similarly, Osiris was said to be the Morning Star in the Pyramid Texts. The Osiris Ankh Cross is symbolic of eternal life, as Jesus’ Cross is symbolic of the same thing (see his book ‘Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection‘ for more comparisons).

As the Overlords reveal themselves, we see a statue of Eros. Given the meticulous attention to detail that this TV show has, this might have had deeper meaning. The Swiss psychologist and scholar Marie-Louise von Franz says:
>"The Greeks identified Eros with Osiris".
Eros is a god from Greek mythology. Philosophers such as Empedocles and Parmenides endowed Eros with the role of a Demiurge, suggested by Proclus. The Greek philosopher Plotinus, in his work 'Enneads', describes a form of divine Eros that's an intermediary between the One (the ultimate source of all existence) and the material world. In Neoplatonism, Eros is sometimes seen as a cosmic force that bridges the gap between the divine and the material world, like Jesus. The distinguished writer Frank Northern Magill directly compares Karellen to Jesus, saying:
>"Descending from his ship with trusting children in his arms, he counts on the image to recall Jesus' encounter with the young".

>>43081109
Not long after the Overlords’ peaceful invasion, a group calling themselves the Freedom League emerge. The Freedom League is a clandestine organization that operates underground, away from the watchful eyes of the Overlords. They engage in acts of rebellion, resistance, and subversion against the Overlords’ control and influence. Their primary objective is to challenge the authority of the Overlords and restore what they perceive as the lost freedom and autonomy of humanity. Members of the Freedom League come from various backgrounds and have different motivations for their involvement. Some join out of a sense of defiance, refusing to accept the Overlords’ dominion over humanity. Others may have personal grievances, ideological opposition, or a desire to reclaim what they perceive as their individuality and agency. The actions of the Freedom League emerge as acts of rebellion against the Overlords’ rule.
They engage in acts of sabotage, disseminate counter-narratives, and attempt to expose the perceived hidden agendas of the Overlords. Their activities range from spreading dissent through underground media channels to carrying out direct attacks on Overlord facilities and infrastructure.
While the exact impact and effectiveness of the Freedom League’s activities are not extensively explored in Childhood’s End, their presence serves to illustrate the complex and multifaceted responses of humanity to societal transformations. They embody the notion that even in the midst of seemingly ideal conditions, there will always be those who challenge and seek to regain their freedom.
Even though the Overlords have ushered in Utopia and brought unprecedented prosperity, their presence has had downsides. Society becomes culturally stagnant as the Overlords now meet everyone’s needs, social division arises, and for reasons that initially go unexplained, the Overlords ban science.

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>>43081114
The character Rodrick, a scientist who’s intellectually curious and eager for knowledge, becomes disillusioned with the Overlords once they put an end to the expansion of science and becomes suspicious of their motives, saying: “For years, the Overlords have told us absolutely nothing about themselves, where they come from, or even about their language”. Rodrick conducts research into them. His research leads him to words from the book Corpus Hermeticum, saying: “The Golden Dawn comes shining from the eyes of God”. As Rodrick says this, we see the All-Seeing-Eye (or the Eye of Ra) on his desk with Saturn behind him on the wall. I found it curious how the All-Seeing-Eye is placed with Saturn, because the Eye symbolism can be traced back to an astronomical event dubbed the “Saturn Polar Configuration” which was an alignment of planets that arranged themselves overhead Earth. These planets were Saturn, Venus and Mars, and during their configuration, they created the appearance of an All-Seeing-Eye. The Saturn Polar Configuration is described in ‘The Saturn Myth’ as a “gate” God “comes through” (page 155) and associated with the Djed Pillar, symbolizing the return of Osiris.

>The Blazing Star has been regarded as an emblem of the All-Seeing-Eye, which to the Egyptian Initiates was the emblem of Osiris
-Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

AS RODRICK TALKS ABOUT THE ALL-SEEING-EYE WE SEE AN IMAGE OF SATURN BEHIND HIM
THE ALL-SEEING-EYE FROM THE DOLLAR BILL ON RODRICK'S DESK
Rodrick gets invited to a party. While there, Karellen makes an appearance and Rodrick confronts him on why he's banned science. Karellen explains, saying: "Science and curiosity has led you dangerously close to forces that you could never have controlled. It would have destroyed you". The Overlords' disapproval of science is apparently motivated by their desire to protect us.

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>>43081127
Humans dabbling in science are “like children playing with a bomb”, unaware of the greater forces at play. However, we later learn that deception plays a critical role in the way that the Overlords govern and banning science may have had less noble reasons, such as making us more evolutionary malleable, allowing the Overlords to enact their plans without pushback. During the party, Karellen takes the character Amy, who plays a minor role in the show, into a room where we find a Ouija board. Karellen asks her to put her hand on the board so he can commune with her unborn child Jennifer. Suddenly, a series of symbols shoot into the sky. Rodrick recognizes the symbols as the constellation Carinae. The constellation Carinae had real importance to ancient cultures. The ancient Egyptians saw Carinae as a ship bearing Osiris and Isis during a worldwide flood. The Cariane ship that carried Osiris and Isis during a flood is probably connected to the Boat of Ra which carried souls through the underworld, sometimes symbolized by a flood. During the celestial alignment mentioned above, the luminous crescent that formed under Saturn was morphed into the Boat of Ra. Curiously, Rodrick connects Carinae to Karellen’s home-world. In his book ‘New Heavens For The Free World’, Andres Boulton says: “Alpha Carinae was associated by the Egyptians with Osiris and was named the Star of Osiris”.

>*CARINAE IS CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH OSIRIS AND IDENTIFIED AS KARELLEN'S HOME-WORLD
>Alpha Carinae was associated by the Egyptians with Osiris and was named the Star of Osiris - Andres Boulton, New Heavens For The Free World

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>>43081138
We find ourselves four years in the future and Amy's daughter Jennifer is now a child and has gained tremendous supernatural powers and is like some pansophical metahuman, saying things like: "I see all, I am all". Soon all children around the world begin developing powers. Rodrick links their powers back to Jennifer as the source. The name Jennifer means White Fairy or White Wave -- a name somewhat connected to the mother goddess, inspired and represented by the Moon. The children appear to have been transformed into divine beings by Jennifer's transmutational force. They're basically a new race of Homo Luminous. The children also have the ability to share collective consciousness.
There’s one scene where Jennifer psychically shepherds a group of children as though she has power of their minds. She’s like a central “hive-queen” pulling the puppet strings. Eventually, Karrellen addresses the world and says that the children will be taking the next step in human evolution.
As Karellen says this, we see a child doing the Prana Mudra hand-sign. This is an old sign associated with Buddha, Jesus, and Baphomet, and can apparently be traced back to Osiris. Two Finger amulets (Prana Mudra sign) were a symbol of Osiris and were placed on the body of a mummy. The Pyramid Texts give some references on the importance of the sign where it explains that “two fingers helped Osiris ascend the Ladder and reach into Heaven" (see the book 'Amulets and Superstitions', by Wallis Budge).

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>>43081143
As Karellen addresses the world, we learn that the Overlords have been deceiving humanity from the beginning and there's another reason why they invaded. They want to take away Earth’s children and have them merge their consciousness. We learn that the Overlords are working cooperatively with a higher power called the Overmind which is described as a "collective consciousness" that eliminates individuality and “assimilates consciousness”, allowing one to transcend the physical realm and become a collective entity. The Overmind is like Heaven as an eternal state of consciousness. The ascension of the childen sounds nice, but some people apparently need more convincing.
Before Karellen reveals this, the Freedom League made TV skits expressing anti-Overlord sentiments. One such skit is the voice of a child that talks about how pigs are "sent off somewhere" on her farm, she "doesn't know where they go", but says "I'm sure they're happy", accompanied by shots of abattoirs; a conspiratorially-slanted view of the Overlords' hidden intention.
Karellen also reveals that Earth will be destroyed and everyone will die, aside from the children, who get assimilated into the Overmind. Not much is said about the nature of the Overmind. We're led to believe that it's an Oversoul; a sort of consciousness-raising divinity that pervades the universe. However, rather than being a form of spiritual ascension, the Overmind gave me vague recollections of the Borg. The Borg were a hive-mind that assimilated with species, depriving them of individuality (much like the Overmind) and reducing them to the status of automatons.
The Overlords have the power to manipulate or transform physical matter at will. During the show, Karellen uses the Overlords’ power to create a room for Stormgren.

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>>43081156
In the room, Karellen reunites Stromgren with his dead lover, Annabelle. The room is very phantasmagorical and Stormgren initially questions if Annabelle is real or just “another one of Karellen's illusions". Stromgren’s wife, Ellie, thinks that Karellen is using the room to play on Stormgren's emotions and “manipulate him". One revealing drawing of Karellen shows him holding a book shaped as a cube.
The cube is a symbol of Saturn and associated with the material world, being a reference to an illusory prison.
>In his book ‘The Dark Path’, Isaac Weishaupt explains the Saturn cube as “a symbol for the Gnostic representation of Saturnian materialism and “false illusion” of our world”.
One interpretation is that the room that Karellen creates represents something akin to Plato’s allegory of the cave where the unenlightened find themselves trapped in an illusory reality. It's shown that Karellen is able to create illusionary phantom's of deceased loved ones and even mimic their voices and so Annabelle could simply be an illusion created by Karellen in order to manipulate Stormgren. Karellen, at the end, asks Stormgren if he wants to remain with Annabelle forever (rather than facing the apocalypse) where he would be reliving the same happy moment over and over again, but he rejects this, and walks out of the illusion through a mirror.
Mirrors have deep symbolic meaning and are associated with transitioning from one plane of existence to another, leaving behind uncontrolled desire and ignorance. In The Matrix, the metamorphosis of Neo and his transition out of the illusory world of ignorance occurs through a mirror.
(pic) KARELLEN HOLDING A BOOK SHAPED AS CUBE (NOTICE THE OTHER BOOK IS SHAPED AS A V)

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One interpretation is that phantasmagorical room created by Karellen is a prison designed to trap Stormgren’s soul, similar to the idea of the Demiurge in Gnosticism. In the mythological texts of the Gnostics, the Demiurge created the material realm as a prison for the soul. The Demiurge is regarded as the creator of the material world. Jesus (who Karellen may represent) is also considered the agent of creation: “All things came into being through him” (John 1:3). In his article ‘Christ as Demiurge’, Edward Moore references old material (such as from Origen of Alexandria) suggesting that Jesus corresponds to the Demiurge, including old material where “Jesus Christ is explicitly identified as the Demiurge, the active principle of creation”. The Demiurge is called the "Great Architect Of The Universe". The phrase the "Great Architect Of The Universe" is given to Jesus Christ by Eusebius. Some associate the Demiurge with Saturn. The ancient Egyptians knew the Demiurge as the lion-headed serpent Cneph.
The amateur Egyptologist Anne Flinders argues that Cneph, Osiris, and Saturn are interchangeable as a single god (see her 1845 book ‘The Connexion Between Revelation and Mythology’). The ancient Egyptians apparently associated Osiris with the planet Saturn according to Immanuel Velikovsky in his book 'In the Beginning'. The prime symbol of Saturn is the cube (that Karellen seems to be holding). In pop-culture (especially in movies) the Saturn cube is depicted as a prison keeping the soul bound in material reality and sometimes as a sentient machine that merges with humans. The cube was once a symbol of Osiris.
>(pic) THE ROOM CUSHIONS ARE V-SHAPED WHICH IS A SYMBOL OF OSIRIS AND ALSO INANNA
In one scene, Rodrick explains how the Overlords have been on Earth before..

>>43081186
When they last visited, things about the Overlords were documented, including the appearance of Karellen (which is where the drawings of all the horned-gods came from) but over time they became folklore. The idea that extraterrestrial gods have come to Earth in the distant past is known as Paleo-SETI. Some proponents of Paleo-SETI believe that humans are the creations of extraterrestrial gods who visited Earth thousands of years ago, such as the Aztec’s Quetzalcoatl.
Quetzalcoatl was remembered as the creator of humanity, who performed miracles, had ruled over a “Golden Age”, was known as the god of time, and prophesied the destruction of Earth when he returns. In many ways, this parallels Childhood’s End. Like Quetzalcoatl, Karellen rules over a “Golden Age”, he has the ability to control time as a kind of “god of time”, he perfoms “miracles” (with technology indistinguishable from magic), he refers to humanity as his “children”, suggesting he may have hand in creating us, and the destruction of Earth occurs when he returns. Connections can be made between Quetzalcoatl, Jesus, and Osiris.
Like Jesus and Osiris, Quetzalcoatl was said to be the Morning Star in Codex Vaticanus. Osiris is described as patron of the arts and innovator of religious ceremonies, very similar to Quetzalcoatl, and the departure of Quetzalcoatl is strongly reminiscent of that of Osiris. Quetzalcoatl also fulfils the same purpose as Osiris of resurrection and bringing of the rains for crops. In her article ‘The Plumed Serpent’, Freda Hankins says:
>“It’s possible to see the vengeful, bloody Quetzalcoatl as one with Osiris, Tammuz, and Attis — dying and reviving gods”.
Quetzalcoatl shares similarities with Jesus (at least how Jesus is described by mainstream Christology) and some believe they’re the same person (see the article ‘Quetzalcoatl Without Jesus Christ’, by Steven Hartman).

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>>43081191
KARELLEN HAS A LONG BLACK BEARD SIMILAR TO ANCIENT EGYPTIAN DEPICTIONS OF OSIRIS

The cover of the novel 'Childhood's End' shows an eye which appears also symbolic of the Black Sun (and also resembles the Saturn Polar Configuration). The colour black represented death and the underworld to the Egyptians. Osiris was given the epithet "the black one". Osiris, the god of death, resurrection, and regeneration, can be connected to the concept of the Black Sun through their shared symbolism of cyclical death and rebirth. The Black Sun, a mystical symbol associated with esoteric and alchemical traditions, represents hidden or inner transformation, the death of the old self, and the emergence of new life. Similarly, Osiris' myth involves his death, dismemberment, and eventual resurrection, symbolizing regeneration and the renewal of life, much like the hidden transformative power attributed to the Black Sun. Both concepts deal with themes of renewal through darkness. In the book 'Voyage en Orient', by the French writer Gérard de Nerval, Osiris is associated with the concept of the Black Sun. Nerval explores various mythological and esoteric themes, blending Egyptian mythology with his own mystical and symbolic interpretations. Osiris, the god of the dead and resurrection, is usually connected to the Sun and its cycles, and in Nerval's work, he becomes a symbol of the Black Sun, representing the unseen or inner light that persists even in darkness. This metaphorical connection highlights Osiris' role in the transition between life and death, and the hidden wisdom associated with the underworld.
In his book 'The Mertowney Mountain Interviews', Richard Leviton says:
>"Osiris was called the Black Sun. Black here means a cloud of unknowing. The entry into the underworld".

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>>43081203
Lastly, the user concludes with this:
>''On the basis of the above interpretation, I would say that Childhood’s End presents something of an introductory four-hour crash course into the return of the born-again Osiris. There are so many convergences between Karellen and Osiris. We discover that Karellen's home-world is in the constellation Carinae which relates to Osiris because Alpha Carinae was apparently known by the ancient Egyptians as the "Star of Osiris". Just before Karellen's ship arrives we see a shot of the Washington Monument which supposedly symbolizes the resurrection of Osiris. In Egyptian mythology, Osiris undergoes a process of death and resurrection. Karellen also undergoes a rebirth -- as he gets killed by his enemies and gets immediately resurrected. Osiris is credited with introducing civilization to humanity, teaching them the arts of agriculture and social organization, and Karellen, in a similar vein, brings about profound changes to human society, ushering in a new era of peace and social organization. Overall, Childhood's End is a thought-provoking and visually stunning TV show. The series skillfully explores complex themes such as human evolution, the nature of consciousness, and the price of Utopia. The performances are captivating, especially Charles Dance as the Overlord leader Karellen. The show effectively balances philosophical contemplation with moments of tension and intrigue. While some viewers may find the pacing slow at times, the narrative builds towards a powerful and emotionally resonant conclusion. Childhood's End is really a must-watch for science fiction enthusiasts and those seeking a cerebral exploration of humanity's destiny and the implications of contact with an advanced alien race.''

>>43081075
They can help, they can offer advice and alternate perspectives, they can offer education, but they have no right to tell us what to do.
It's our civilization, and thus, our responsibility.
If we want to kill ourselves, we have the right to do so.
Free Will Universe, after all.

>>43081075
Cool thread bump

>>43081482
These are the occult shizoposts I live for. Also, why can't we ever meet good aliens? This book/TV show reeks of evil influence. Like I can feel it just by reading about it.

>>43081075
ΨHumans couldn't become a space faring race because "space isn't for them".Ψ
ΨInstead, they will just get assimilated into a giant ball of light in space.Ψ
ΨIf you think about the premise, even a little bit.Ψ
ΨThis show makes no sense.Ψ

>>43081075
I’m not reading your AI vomit just because you changed a few phrases, faggot. Stop flooding the internet with your slop.

>>43082229
Nothing in that thread is AI slop. You're a fucking idiot.