>>43083581
[cont] I personally hate the idea that this is just a school/journey/generic mission that we constantly recycle. Even the prison/loosh planet idea sounds more coherent, although terrifying because how can you know to escape something if you cannot remember it must be escaped when the time comes? That's like having Alzheimer and being expected to remember everything.

And if we embrace the simulation video game theory that our avatars (souls) incarnate into story characters (earth and other realms), even this sounds better and allows for more variation and complexity of what lies beyond.

>>43083581
well to put it simply: think of it like a sandbox video game/experiment of Faustian and sociopathic alien races

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>>43083581
>being forced into a flesh vessel, against one's will
This I suspect is a cover story, there isn’t much nobility in a human soul in particular, it is simply an amalgam of many different lower souls into one being. Given this, it never previously existed in its current form in a higher level, only the lower. In a sense this life is an orientation experience for these amalgams as they form. The next level is dissimilar in that it is the integration of all possible selves with the actualized self.
>"no no you just GOTTA experience this bro, big mission ahead to lead an average life of suffering and try to find meaning in it. totally soul character building"
Well the suffering ahead isn’t much better. If you want no suffering then stop wanting so much. It’s to teach you what is really vitally important so that on higher levels you don’t crash your merkava chasing tail.
>"now do it AGAIN"
I don’t see how you could complain, the more selves you have to integrate the more you will have to work with on the next level, and the more experiences you’ll have for the one beyond.
>"just remember to spread the vague, abstract knowledge of the great source [specific details prohibited] and forever strive towards it again even though this intentionally limited material confinement we placed you in absolutely blocks you from it so it's truly impossible to achieve and remain in a nirvana state on earth"
Blatantly untrue that’s impossible to stay in an altered state longer term. As for the information being “vague”, this is easily explainable as the information being specific to the individual, and intransmissible. It is literally unspeakable. You have to get it for yourself.
>"also remember to do it forever and ever, if you wanna be perfect and ascended like us" etc
You’re here, with the rest of us, much much longer than you suppose. Make your peace with that, because the climb can’t begin without that inner peace with whats about to happen.

This generic spiritual rat race to integration and perfection is an illusion that is limited to this earth realm. I keep coming back, for some reason, to the inner belief that I have a broader story that extends far beyond this limited place or body. Yes, I am incarnated here. Yes I carry indistinct memories of other places and happenings, maybe they tie in with past lives or some other astral realms. I am here to continue my story but I have not figured out if I am in exile, isolated or protected temporarily while recommended to experience certain things here that will help me face whatever I need to once I continue my journey beyond this body. And whatever I need to experience isn't necessarily the feeling of union, connectedness or nirvana as I can access those (but arguably unsustainable for survival here). I will keep looking and being on the look out for signs, they always reveal themselves and sometimes inexplicable things and impressions follow you in this life

>>43083581
Because the individuals who are aware of the actual big picture situation begin working on the big picture problems before they focus on the fine details of the immediate situation in the microcosm of individual human experience. You really don't need to know what the problems in our galaxy are.. you need to develop your own consciousness. You have a depth of character that has been shaped by your previous lives.. it is not memory as you are familiar with the concept.. the critical events of emotional impact have become anchors that tie your consciousness to material reality across the space and time of the individual bodies you once inhabited. This development is increasing the amount you are inherently aware of in your current living incarnation. If you were able to fully remember your previous experiences then the depths of insight would be reduced to a superficial linear context of physical material and accountability. The blank slate allows you to start fresh and grow new roots in formats and conditions that you might otherwise see as a continuation of your previous experience. You are being tested and tempered by far more adversity than you would experience if all of us were able to clearly remember our previous lives.. in a circumstance where resistance is necessary for development of aptitude and depth.
I have memory of previous lives and I have enough experience in remote viewing type observation to be familiar with the function of viewing through the eyes of other beings, human or otherwise, enough experience to be able to discern between seeing through someone else in another era of time or seeing from my own experienced perspective.. this is my understanding based in considerable experience in the subject.

>>43084577
Cont.
I've seen that there are various types of being involved in our existence after we leave the body for the last time. Each are living in the context of their own existence. Each have a contribution to the process. It's not just one type of being in simple linear physical form. Some of them, if you could measure their version of physical material world appear to be made of dark matter and energy and are intertwined with and interacting with the aspects of our own existence that are made of dark matter and energy.
There are actually several directions the energies of your existing self can go in after leaving the body. There are beings watching the process from several aspects of reality each from their own position and perspective. Some gather near to assist with the transfer process.. but you won't get answers from them; only something more like a soothing echo.. they basically are not there to talk about it.. they have seen it all before and have eons more experience than we have. From their point of view there is nothing to discuss.. just a smooth flowing transition from where you were attached to where you are best suited either temporary or enduring.
The beings from the stars are seeing you in terms of this continuum and the fact that you don't remember their presence during the night is not different from the fact that you don't remember your previous lives from their perspective.
There are several conditions that you can be placed in on the temporary interim basis. It's not impossible for you to get your next living existence in another world entirely.. not impossible but uncommon. Most people are integrated into a system that affects their energetic presence and their physical presence from the quantum fields to the DNA.. and like a goldfish is unaware of water they are unaware that they are integral to and immersed in a coordinated system that basically is the matrix code of this reality. Not every being is held by it.. many operate beyond

>>43084577
Can you elaborate what memory of previous lives do you have and why do you think you have those? especially considering what you said, which I tend to agree with

> There are beings watching the process from several aspects of reality each from their own position and perspective. Some gather near to assist with the transfer process.. but you won't get answers from them; only something more like a soothing echo.. they basically are not there to talk about it.. they have seen it all before and have eons more experience than we have. From their point of view there is nothing to discuss.. just a smooth flowing transition from where you were attached to where you are best suited either temporary or enduring.
Call me schizo but this is something that I experience in crisis and life's turning points as well and I imagine it's going to be more intense upon death too. I feel like I can perceive a vague presence(s) watching and maybe even stirring things and I can attune myself to subtle signs that reveals their presence and their 'hand' in my life. I don't think of them as God necessarily, but I find that energy as distant and unreachable by human means as familiar and guiding, whatever that means. I suppose they don't need to discuss with us their extensive knowledge of us or anything beyond our immediate reality unless it is necessary for our role. And by role, I do mean 'role'. I believe we don't have free will truly, not more than actors do on a stage following a script. But the illusion of having it is necessary for the broad spectrum of feelings and experiences otherwise the story couldn't go on

>>43084762
That's your oversoul. My sister can literally see it during times of intense emotions in forms of little tennis ball sized colourful orbs. It's the manifestation of her chakras

>>43083581
>If you're already in a perfect place, why go to an imperfect place just to strive to this perfect place again?
Novelty, independence, and the choice.
As we are fractal refelction of the Infinite Whole, we have infinitesimal aspects of that Infinite, including will.
We choose to come to this imperfect place as a chance to see what it is like to be separate from that Infinite Whole, and a chance to be the center of existence.
>If we're imperfect,
We arent. There's nothing wrong with coming here. It's just pointless, and has suffering.
>If God is perfect he cannot be bored
What wouldd stop God from being able to be bored, if God wanted to?
I dont accept "god was bored", but God most certainly CAN be bored. He just isnt ever bored.

Be kind to each other

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>>43083581
I'm looping

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>>43084905
so are you just retarded or did you get raped as a kid or something and that's why you post these pseudo profound nonwords alongside cartoons no one remembers but you because it's what you associate with pre rape existence?

I'm genuinely asking

Way more people don’t make it into heaven than you think. You are given a choice; condemn yourself without earning your way in and go to hell for the rest of eternity without a chance for heaven ever again, or roll the dice completely for a new life that you just pray will complete the necessary trials and tribulations to join God in heaven. Every soul will choose the latter, foregoing everything you’ve learned and all your experiences in the short lifetime you lived absolutely pale in comparison to not making it into heaven.

>>43083581
God (you) are bored.
That's it. Thats the big secret.
A book, movie, or video game with no antagonism is boring. Who would want to read a book without a plot. Therefore suffering and evil. To make life interesting.
You're mind wiped and powerless while here because it makes it more immersive. If you remember you wrote the plot you'd know what comes next and that's boring/antethetical to entertaining yourself. So you write the book, mindwipe, amd then live it out in the most immersive story ever.

>>43083581
Im this guy
>>43087586
I only just read your boredom being an imperfect state thing.
Made in his image. As above so below. We get bored therefore god gets bored.
Doesnt matter it's 'imperfect' (you) feel it and made the world to combat it. Enjoy the ride.

>>43087586
You can have plot, and conflict, without suffering. Even accounting for failures, there is no reason to have sufferings and evils that dont add to any plot, if plot is the reason.

>>43083581
I think all these fears made around it aren't too healthy and makes you more susceptible to pressure.

I think the whole point is an 'ego' check. To check that you actually have one worth doing shit over. If you're dead, and some people say "sorry you gotta forget and do it again" and you simply think damn I guess I have to, how could you even say you really liked who you were? If you're so influenceable and so willing to 'forget and start over' then it doesn't really feel like you were strong enough to even keep going anyway.

We often view imitated things as flawed. Why have a limit if surely there's a way to have it all in some magic world. And though that's true there are some things that need limitations to thrive, and only by limitations is it easier to focus our attention on things. Think of it like spiritual horse blinders. So I view it as 'limited' rather then viewing life as imperfect. One day you'll realize the somewhat sad truth that in order for the you reading this to exist, all that suffering and lameness you had hear pretty much had to happen the exact ways it did, if they didn't then you wouldn't be you. To not reincarnate, you simply have to accept that and proudly retain it, insisting you don't need to start over. A simple conviction and removal of fears and doubts is all you need to 'beat' reincarnation.

>>43087586
This was what I intuitively reasoned as well, after hours of meditation and spiritual exploration. God is eternal, infinite, and consists of all possibilities. An all-powerful, all-knowing God that can only be good is a paradox. God is capable of all "good" and all "evil". As fractals of God, we explore what is possible. This world is just one of infinite possibilities, although most of the universe does not have suffering like this realm does (pain receptors are very sophisticated here and is part of what makes this realm unique).

>>43087562
Hell is human made retard. We are all sons of heaven, we come from heaven and go to heaven. God does not judge, its retards like you that spread socially engineered mind viruses and make assumptions of an eternal ineffable source beyond your comprehension.

>>43087610
Imagine playing animal crossing and stardew valley for billions of years. Wouldn't it get boring? That's why black souls was created, that's why japanese misery porn is so popular. People love movies and stories that make them miserable, as above so below, as within so without.

>>43087759
>Imagine playing animal crossing and stardew valley for billions of years. Wouldn't it get boring?
Imagine having the ability to make a Stardew Valley enjoyable for billions and trillions of years.
Are you saying God is incapable of this without adding suffering?
Even if you say yes - why add unnecessary suffering with no plot to it?
How many times does God want to watch "and then the baby didnt get enough shelter or nourishment, and died without ever having a thought?"
Becuase God has that plot play over and over tens of millions of times.
Why doesnt the higher realm get bored with that?

>>43087779
>Imagine having the ability to make a Stardew Valley enjoyable for billions and trillions of years.

That already exists.

>Are you saying God is incapable of this without adding suffering?

He is capable of everything, also "suffering" is a concept borne of arbitrary sensors and arbitrary constraints programmed into the game rules. When you see an NPC's health bar fall to zero and the death animation starts, you don't blink an eye, do you?

>Even if you say yes - why add unnecessary suffering with no plot to it?

You ask why, but maybe the better question to ask is "why not"? Does grass ask why it grows? Do bees ask why they make honey? Does filthy frank ask why or does he go "its not about whether we should do it or not...its about where we CAN do it or not...". Then, he films a disgusting degenerate youtube video full of absolute filth, where he boils 100 packages of ramen, puts it in a bathtub, fills it with green onions. Then he goes in, fully clothed, films himself in that disgusting bathtub so he can upload a youtube video with the title "human ramen". My point is that human beings do the most disgusting inconceivable shit out of pure desire for novelty. As it turns out, this tendency is just a mirror of what created our souls.

>How many times does God want to watch "and then the baby didnt get enough shelter or nourishment, and died without ever having a thought?"

As many times as people run over pedestrians in the GTA games. Which is infinity.

>Becuase God has that plot play over and over tens of millions of times.

Well yes, an infinite ocean makes infinite waves.

>Why doesnt the higher realm get bored with that?

Does the ocean ever get bored of making waves? Big waves? Small waves? Whirlpools? Rapids? Tornadoes? Eddy currents? Anon...waves just spontaneously come from ocean, it arises without any effort.

>>43087803
>That already exists.
The point being I dont think there is a limit to positive variety such that you would ever NEED to experience negative/suffering.
To suggest that is only the product of a limited mind.
>He is capable of everything
So God is capable of creating a world of variety and entertainment which includes zero suffering.
But God didnt.
>an NPC
So God does not consider you or I aware? I dont know about you, but I am aware, and if God does not know that and does not care then I judge God malevolent and an extreme danger.
>You ask why, but maybe the better question to ask is "why not"?
Because it's SUFFERING. And because it serves no purpose if it isnt needed - as you admitted to.
>pedestrians in the GTA games
Do not suffer. And if if it is infinity - then your original premise of "we need variety in experience" is wrong.
>Does the ocean ever get bored of making waves?
No.
Which would make your
>Who would want to read a book without a plot. Therefore suffering and evil.
wrong because the ocean needs no plot and if the upper realm can watch the same thing an infinite number of times they would never get bored and thus need evil and suffering.

>>43083581
its the labor and heroism of incarnation people want to accomplish certain things or have certain purposes they want to fulfill and so incarnate to do so

>>43087826

What is suffering? Much of what we attribute to suffering is a result of aversion that is programmed into us, pain sensors and specific brain interpretations that is arbitrarily programmed. From the program's perspective, its suffering, but from the programmer's perspective, it's just a reward mechanism in a reinforcement learning loop. You assume suffering is undesirable to God or God views suffering the same way we do.

>So God is capable of creating a world of variety and entertainment which includes zero suffering.

How do you know that this doesn't already exist? Could it be that 99% of the universe is like this? Most of the ocean is pretty boring anon, turbulent waves mostly only happen near coasts.

>So God does not consider you or I aware?
"you", "I"...these are illusions. In truth, we are directly created with God's essence and have forgotten our origins. You can cling to the illusion of self if you wish, after all, you don't need to consent to the "soul tranny orgy" as another anon put it.

>I judge God malevolent and an extreme danger.
Anon...you only have at most several decades of memory. Your perspective is tiny. If you had billions of years of memory, what you call SUFFERING, likely would have little to no impact on you.

>Wrong/right/boredom/plot

My point is that all these concepts, including SUFFERING, is born from movement. Oceans are most still, then they make waves, which move. These movements are spontaneous. Waves don't arise out of any desire for plot or boredom or whatever, they arise because oceans make waves. Do you ask why programmers make video games? Do you ask why artists make art? Do you ask why writers make stories? If you do, then what's your answer, why do they create?

>>43087864
>What is suffering?
An experience persons have.
>a result of aversion that is programmed into us, pain sensors and specific brain interpretations that is arbitrarily programmed
Nope - that only causes the experience. Suffering is the experience.
>the program's perspective
That the program has a perspective at all means we are talking about people and whether another person feels it or not - it is still suffering and must be considered if you want to claim the other is anything other than evil.
>How do you know that this doesn't already exist?
Because you are saying this one is necessary.
If the other exists, then this one is extraneous and therefore purposeless and therefore evil.
>"you", "I"...these are illusions.
>we are directly created with God's essence and have forgotten our origins
Then the "we" you point to here are experiencing suffering at the hands of God.
you can bloviate about illusion all you wish but the experience is still there.
>you only have
Irrelevant to my ability to judge.
YOU say God has created a realm of suffering for no purpose or necessity.
YOU say God has no concern for our suffering, and allows it for enjoyment.
I judge that evil.
>Wrong/right/boredom/plot
>My point is
Your point was the higher realm got bored and created suffering and that idea has been completely destroyed.

>>43087883

>Experience
Ok...so you do you agree or disagree that experiences are subjectively interpreted?
One man's trash is another man's treasure; one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. If you state suffering is an experience, then why make any objective statement that it is BAD or GOOD?

>That the program has a perspective at all
You do understand that programmers shape "if perspective", "how the perspective" and "why the perspective" right? If a programmer wants to program entirely in Mongolian as compared to normal object oriented programming, and this done entirely on his own free time and not impacting others, would you consider that evil?


>Because you are saying this one is necessary.

I never fucking said that lol, I just said that everything that is possible will exist. Like how people make porn out of harry potter kids. It's just the absurdity of life.

>Then the "we" you point to here are experiencing suffering at the hands of God.

Sure you could put it that way but you don't need to get all upset or anything. "You" won't last forever. All waves return to the ocean eventually, so take a chill pill anon.

>YOU say God has created a realm of suffering for no purpose or necessity.
> YOU say God has no concern for our suffering, and allows it for enjoyment.

Bruh I never said that. Point to me where I said that. I merely said "ocean creates waves". But yeah yeah yeah, you can rage and call things evil all you like, but remember the concept of "evil" is dependently originated. No culture has every agreed on what "evil" actually means, you throw that term around like a spoiled child.

>idea has been completely destroyed.
Ideas don't get destroyed anon. Also, what evidence do you have that God doesn't get bored? If we, as fractals of God get bored, why do you assume God wouldn't get bored?

>>43087904
>experiences are subjectively interpreted?
Mo. Experience is primal, the interpretation comes later and is a matter of the mind not self.
>why make any objective statement that it is BAD or GOOD?
Because suffering is the primal BAD.
> programmers shape "if perspective", "how the perspective" and "why the perspective"
Programs are understood to not have experience, those are shorthanded and borrowed phrases.
Confusing the two is dishonest.
You going to ask if my refrigerator is running next?
>I never fucking said that lol
>Who would want to read a book without a plot. Therefore suffering and evil.
Here you said suffering and evil are necessary to alleviate this higher realm of boredom.
>Then the "we" you point to here are experiencing suffering at the hands of God.
>Sure
So to try and discount it as illusion is dishonest and wrong.
>Bruh I never said that.
I asked if it was necessary and you said no.
>>43087803
>Are you saying God is incapable of this without adding suffering?
>He is capable of everything
>So God is capable of creating a world of variety and entertainment which includes zero suffering.
I asked why God does not alleviate our suffering and you compared it top how we see NPCs - which is to say as unfeeling programs that do not suffer.
>>43087803
>When you see an NPC's health bar fall to zero and the death animation starts, you don't blink an eye, do you?
So you said God created this place to include suffering with no necessity to it.
And you said God does not care about our suffering - just as we do not blink an eye when we see an NPC health bar go to zero.
>Ideas don't get destroyed anon.
Fine. your idea has forever been exposed as nonsensical and useless.
>what evidence do you have that God doesn't get bored?
He has never said He was bored.
> If we, as fractals of God get bored, why do you assume God wouldn't get bored?
Because we are limited. That is where boredom comes from. We are infinitesimal fractals of an Infinite Whole.

>>43087935

>Experience is primal
No, experience is a phenomenon born from dependently originated concepts. Experience defined by attributes defined by arbitrary reference points. The interpretation and experience are both second order effects, not first order effects. You confuse what came before matter as matter.

>Because suffering is the primal BAD.
Why? What is good? What is bad? Is morality human made or is it intrinsic? Define what is good and bad.

>Confusing the two is dishonest.
Its called a metaphor anon. You seem to have severe skill issue and lack the ability to think metaphorically. Must suck to lack reading comprehension, I feel sorry for you.

>Here you said suffering and evil are necessary to alleviate this higher realm of boredom.

You confused me with the other anon, but yes I agree with that anon. Books without plots are not my cup of tea. But please explain how that equates to me stating that suffering and evil are necessary to alleviate boredom lol. That's a huge leap in logic.

>So to try and discount it as illusion is dishonest and wrong.
Bruh, are you sure this is the board for you? You need to lurk more newfag.

>I asked if it was necessary and you said no.
Where?

>I asked why God does not alleviate our suffering...

No, my post said God is capable of everything, and capable of creating a world with no suffering. I made no such statement that God sees our suffering like how we see NPCs, because to me, God is an incomprehensible infinite eternal source that I cannot understand due to my limitations. I cannot make definite conclusions on him, only logical deductions and inductions from us, as limited fractals of God.

>So you said...

Bruh you keep putting words in my mouth, like you completely lack reading comprehension. I only pointed out human behavior towards video games as explanatory mechanisms of subcomponents of God.

Let me ask you this, how do you not know WE created this world?

>>43087935
2/2
>Fine. your idea has forever been exposed as nonsensical and useless.
You did no such thing. You're just a retarded faggot screaming "dishonest!" "You're useless!" "You're wrong", because you get emotionally btfo'd by basic nonduality concepts. Skill issue, get good faggot lol

>He has never said He was bored.

Prove it

>Because we are limited. That is where boredom comes from. We are infinitesimal fractals of an Infinite Whole.

Exactly, if we, as expressions of an infinite whole get bored, the same way how even animals get bored mirrors how humans get bored, then how do know God doesn't get bored?

>>43087610
I still get stressed in the story rich video games I choose to play and immerse myself. But the suffering is limited and, usually, meaningful. And I never forget who I truly am (the person behind the screen), even though I role play convincingly, I have access to this knowledge and power of my (higher) self

>>43087674
>To not reincarnate, you simply have to accept that and proudly retain it, insisting you don't need to start over. A simple conviction and removal of fears and doubts is all you need to 'beat' reincarnation.
How can you even hold on to it? How do you know what part of it, if any, is essential enough that you will carry it in your soul for when you are supposed to cross over or return? And if there is anything at all (thresholds, aliens, wardens, etc) wiping your memory or distorting your experience in any way, isn't that cause for concern that no matter what you think you leave this life with within yourself, it may not appear the same once outside this body? Again, as stated in the OP, it's like telling an Alzheimer to remember and hold on to their inner convictions and feelings even as their brain and circuitry dissolve

>>43087803
>My point is that human beings do the most disgusting inconceivable shit out of pure desire for novelty.
>As it turns out, this tendency is just a mirror of what created our souls.
>a mirror of what created our souls.
This is horrifying beyond what I can express in words

>>43087965
yooo physical pain (not to mention psychic, emotional or spiritual) is direct and objective, probably felt by any living being.

Cultures around the world understood this experience, which God made sure to embed it deeply into our bodies. But they treated this differently (used it as punishment, or in rituals where people were subjected or subjected themselves to it still was regarded as pain, perhaps even experiencing pain was the purpose itself, just attributed some purpose to it). The intensity of pain is also a factor, you can have pain and discomfort to signal that something is to be avoided in this realm, but why God take it so far? And if this is just one painful realm out of plenty others less painful or even blissful, what's up with the increasing supply of souls getting sent to it??

>>43087965
>No, experience is a phenomenon born from dependently originated concepts.
No, experience is primal to self and does not come from mind or body. We experience mind and body.
> not first order effects
Incorrect. Self and experience are primal.
>Because suffering is the primal BAD.
>Why?
Because that is how the experience is judged. As I said. Primal.
>Its called a metaphor anon.
No, it was dishonestly trying to deflect with a metaphor that does not fit.
you tried to pretend that programmers think their programs are alive.
Go ahead and affirm that programmers do not consider those programs alive, even when talking about "perspective".
that was not a metaphor, that was a lie.
> but yes
So you are needlessly arguing and denying points you agree with.
At every step you show how bad faith you are in this argument.
> dishonest and wrong.
>You need to lurk more
Again - I'm older than you, I've been on the board longer than you. WEe can prove this again but each time you bring up bullshit when you are defeated.
Like now, when you cant argue that you were dishonest and wrong.
>I asked if it was necessary and you said no.
Where?
> God is capable of everything, and capable of creating a world with no suffering.
Right here means suffering is unnecessary, and contradicts your original idea that you have abandoned about god needing suffering to not be bored.
> human behavior towards video games as explanatory mechanisms of subcomponents of God.
Humans behave because they understand the games do not suffer and are not persons. It only works to use that as explanation if god treats us the same way.
which means you said God does not care about our suffering.
Your problem is I keep pointing out how your own words mean you are wrong and stupid.
>Prove it
Show any instance of God saying "Im bored."
>if we, as expressions of an infinite whole get bored,
It is because we are limited, and does not apply to the unlimited.

>>4308808
>>43088087
>I still get stressed
You are not the program. This would be like saying God gets stressed over us, and has limited suffering in observing us.
You never decide to stop playing the game because the game components might be suffering, because you dont care about that.
So if it was true that the game itself was aware and suffering - you would be very evil for using it that way.

there's no proof that it exists

>>43083581
I wanna have sexo and eat a cheeseburger and feel that simple satisfaction. I also enjoy cannabis you can’t do those in light bodies.

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>>43089730
My single God is more gods than your multiple.

>>43089744
>>43089730
Is this the new namefag method?

Either this is my first ever incarnation or reincarnation doesn't exist because I can't even conceive of it being a thing. As open minded as I am, it just doesn't make sense.

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>>43090128
I think it's my first too, but for different reasons. I am simply too unfit and frail for this world. There's no other explanation aside from unfortunately being a new earthfag and the thought of there being such a thing as a mandatory reincarnation loop sends me into a suicidal panic because I'm just at the beginning of this endless hell most likely. Please erase me forever I can't even make it through the first cycle

>>43090128
Depends what your philosophy or reasoning for reincarnation would be. I don't believe in the buddhist one either or the one where you just come here endlessly to repeat lessons. But I believe reincarnation is possible, for any other reason (including the above for all we know, just not the main one)

(not OP)
>>43084337
>buzzword buzzword buzzword intransmissible buzzword
lel
>>43087586
>it's just like bideo game
>but you remove the element that makes bideo games interesting (the control element) because that's le boring
are you braindead
>>43087674
>One day you'll realize the somewhat sad truth that in order for the you reading this to exist, all that suffering and lameness you had hear pretty much had to happen the exact ways it did
yeah, and that's a shit disgusting filthy thing. Why would anyone care about or want this shit to happen?
>>43087838
There is no heroism in a shit filth state. Any one person obviously has no impact whatsoever on anything. There is nothing to fulfill that couldn't be done by a machine or robot.

>>43090128
>>43092472
Everyone's first incarnation into samsara is as the demiurge, the controller of an entire universe.
You have been here for uncountable number of incarnations - so many you have completely forgotten who you are and how to get out.

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>>43083581
Time

>>43093046
Correct.

>>43087586
Listen to yourself bro. You just compared the suffering of a human being to words on a page.

I get that this comes from a place of nihilism, though you make it sound very enlightened. Human souls should not be toys.
A good story could have easily been achieved with simulations, but it wasn't. Instead, they made it personal and decided to repeatedly rape our souls, which you propose is spiritual popcorn.

Reincarnation isn't real, it's just dalit cope. They just think they can come back as a blonde-haired blue-eyed White gigachad when they get splattered by a train

>>43093262
How do you know this is not a very complex and advanced simulation? I mean look at the current state of our video games and the direction they are headed. There already are hardcore modes where no saves are allowed, similar to life. And there will almost certainly be more and more immersive as time goes by - and will include virtual reality and senses too.

Players will be electing to feel pleasure and pain in the games, all the while bitching about the life simulation itself

>>43093485
>How do you know this is not a very complex and advanced simulation?
If it is, the people running it are cruel and evil.

>>43093485
>How do you know this is not a very complex and advanced simulation?
I'm talking about a simulation without souls to suffer it. Same as words on a page.
Nigga, Guts is not a real person. His wounds are not real; and the only reason I say "he" is because Guts is a character, a symbol for a human.
Your inability to understand the implications of fiction vs reality are distasteful. Human souls are not meant to be toys or food.

>>43083581
https://x.com/homi3kh/status/2071627503098290640

>>43087759
I always play with full cheats and developer mode on.

>>43093503
Devs and publishers aren't exactly angels either...

>>43093509
What do you even know what a human and soul even is? Maybe we are not real either? Do our wounds imprint onto our souls and continue in the beyond? Maybe for the "spiritual universe" in which souls and whatever else exist, these temporary constructed flesh vessels are as real as our temporary constructed pixel vessels we pick in games. We literally have no idea what reality is, or how many layers there are and what truly matters out there

>>43093533
>What do you even know what a human and soul even is?
Trapped awareness/consciousness which would otherwise transcend time and space.
>Do our wounds imprint onto our souls and continue in the beyond?
Yes. They grab your attention and imprint trauma onto your soul.
>Maybe for the "spiritual universe" in which souls and whatever else exist, these temporary constructed flesh vessels are as real as our temporary constructed pixel vessels we pick in games.
You are comparing a complex system specifically designed to feel pain and suffering with a "yes and" creature that is closer to a windup toy than an amoeba.
The comparison means nothing. Our lives have infinite more meaning than words on paper, and that is even without our souls to suffer us.
>We literally have no idea what reality is, or how many layers there are and what truly matters out there
You right.

>>43093544
>"yes and"
"If then"*

>>43093533
>Devs and publishers aren't exactly angels either...
And if we fouind a single one that developed a system where real people were really suffering we would rightly call them monster and punish and likely kill them.
So the same should be applied to any higher being or god.

>>43093549
NTA
That's why they are so desperate to hide this place.

>>43093552
Your comment is useless.

>>43093556
You're right. Words are just air, action is everything.
What better way to keep your attention though?

Is there really a gold light upon death that leads to Heaven? Is the white light really a soul trap?

>>43093608
I never heard of the gold light, just the white one

>>43093608
>>43094131
archons must've been so drunk on loosh they forgot to use the right color

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>>43083581
When will you meats must realize I only gamed the system and turn a big trash pan into an even smaller one.

Outside of this immediacy is white-space, a space that you don't have to fight against in order to incur acts of creation. You meats will never be able to experience that heaven, so long as you shun the cherub and the lady.

>>43093503
You, of all people are saying this.
You, self-same demons who would seek to prevent the " the cherub and the lady" dynamic from occurring with every fiber of their hateful, spiteful being.

You never cease to amuse me.

>>43083581
because it's the BIG LIE, anon. There is no lesson, knowledge is already achieved beyond the mortal realm, what this means is that we already know the lesson but for some reason were supposed to relearn it the difficult way which is a big sham, they are taking advantage of our mortal ignorance by claiming there is something we don't know and must learn, there is none, we already know everything it just hasn't occurred to us yet. This is very prominent in NDEs because NDEs are not completely dead yet, that mortal part of them is still nerfing their logic and memory during the NDE.

I'm pretty sure that you have also come across several accounts of NDEs where the person is forced or intimidated by the 'guides' to follow as they say. The first strat is to make you follow their system willingly but the moment they are met with resistance or confusion, they start to get forceful. This is an experience in NDE that is often ignored in the mainstream study of NDEs. Why the use of force? To intimidate and force you back into the matrix when the trickery doesn't work.

Don't believe the people saying that you chose to be here. That is another lie, you aren't bored, you aren't trying to relearn on your own, etc. If that is the case then why again is the intimidation and trickery being used on you at the moment of death. The logical thing should be to welcome you and help you recover from your nerfed mortal state, before any kind of discussion on 'redoing the whole process.'.

Quite simply anon, that the gnostic teachings are true. like I said again and again, it's not the specific teaching but the general idea of it. You are seeking anon, and to that I can tell you are at least progressing towards gnosis. However the path to knowing the purpose of this whole system requires thinking beyond the limitations of our mortal brains. It is possible, but it is rarely done. Only pneumatics have the innate capacity to understand it.

>>43098101
I never heard about NDEs getting forced back. Makes sense though.

Do we know *how* they were forced? Did they really get hogtied and thrown back onto the farm, or were they just yelled at real loud and intimidated enough to return? People these days like to use 'forced' according to a loose definition so I gotta ask.

Why the fuck does every NDE bring up some incredibly vague, undefined "love" that every person experiencing one claims to feel in overwhelming capacities?

>>43087348
kek, possibly the best explanation for this retard spamming his gay ass shit nobody cares about

>>43099564
That part never sounds right. If your heart chakra is working and not closed off like it is in 99.9999% of humans then you know how actual love feels. So the claim that creatures of pure evil like these archons are projecting love at anyone is just incredible. No one spiritually pure enough to feel, or for that matter project love is also a regional manager for a planetary torture chamber/loosh farm.

I think what NDE'ers receive are just general feelgood emotions and call it love because they never felt the real thing.

>>43098101
>like I said again and again
we don't care fuck off dave

>>43099377
many accounts of NDEs have them both intimidated and yelled at or plainly made to experience or move to places they were unwilling to go to. Keep in mind that NDEs are not physical, you don't get pushed or hogtied, you just get made to go to places against your will, hence forced. It's basically higher dimension abduction.

>>43099937
valentinian larpers getting mad because they got told they're retarded again and again.

>>43083581
Your soul has just taken multiple incarnations to make your soul holy enough to complete the mission it was created for. Most souls take multiple incarnations but only a handful, some say a specific number like 3 or 5 because of different ways to divide the parts of the soul. A common way to divide it into 3 is the nefesh, ruach, and neshamah.

>>43100421
>made to go
I'm not really sure what that means, but fine.
So, uh, what's the countermeasure for this? How do we, after our own deaths, successfully resist or avoid being "made to go"? Because I plan on not letting those bastards even start plying their shit on me, and immediately just teleporting to a few trillion galaxies away where they can't find me.

>>43099377
>I never heard about NDEs getting forced back.
Crazy because at least half of them are about this. Even pre-life memories report not wanting to incarnate yet are constantly pushed around until eventually thrown into it. Because who in their right mind would want to abandon that state for a life of suffering or resuming their body writhing in pain on a hospital bed? Some are "convinced" while some are literally kidnapped by portals or some shit, while they are enjoying their blissful state wherever. It's so depressing

You can actually read about a paper researching these reports here:

>https://web.archive.org/web/20250624214353/https://www.oberf.org/prebirth.htm
Page 9 especially

>>43101882
Most nde accounts and statistically speaking majority of nde accounts state that they were given free will. You are being disingenuous and cherry picking data points, committing selection bias to an extreme. You quote ndeorf but ignore the hundreds of cases where people state they chose to come down here and are free to leave.

>>43101945
>appeal to majority
>what is coercion
Some people deserve their suffering

>>43101945
Free will doesn't exist. Not here on earth, not in the higher realms where they drown you in ecstasy and tell you you're loved and you really wanna do this too and then suddenly you find yourself convinced that you do wanna do this and go back.

Let's see how free you are if you inject yourself with a happy-go-lucky drug and get led astray by manipulation and whatever thought energies they place in you.

>>43101986
What is your proof that people are being coerced to come down here? What are you basing your viewpoint on? If the majority of souls that temporarily shed mortal form state that they felt free, why disbelieve them?
Yes, the data shows that the majority of those who experience NDEs report voluntary incarnation. Statistically, this shows positive correlation towards a phenomenon.

>>43101994
Sounds like you have skill issue honestly. If you haven't understood how to embody freedom, you just suck at this game bud. You think unconditioned spirits can be forced to do anything against their own will? Lol, lmao even. Your theories are unsupported and make no sense giving how this world operates.

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>>43101945
>NDE accounts
>Secondhand words from entities that take the form of your close family or gods, and show you a personalized paradise
Free will is tricky; we do and don't have it at the same time. We have wills, but we are also able to be tricked, otherwise this place wouldn't exist.
Anything that tells you:
>You have absolute free will
Wants you to trust your will completely, knowing something else can impersonate it. Ironically to be somewhat free, you have to have a skeptic mindset about your self. Your inner voice, your urges and desires. Most people trust themselves unequivocally, hence they are what we call hylics.
Even the dude calling himself god and others NPC's can be a hylic, in fact he's much more likely to be one. People like that trust themselves too much, so they are more easily driven.

>>43102213
Oh so you are an agent smith

>>43083581
What’s the purpose of the water cycle? As above so below

>>43102213
Why would anyone come here willingly?

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>>43102806
>Don't have free will

This question is nuanced, because free will is a perspective. From brahman/monad's perspective, who knows all and sees all, he calculates perfect trajectories. An omniscient being does not see free will, despite giving us all free will on a local level. Yet because he loves us unconditionally, our admin rights are granted yet a master architect can still construct elaborate machinery despite giving all parts the ability to make choices from a frontier.

Many things in this world make no sense if you assume free will can be easily taken violated. I'm not saying it is absolute, it is highly dependent with how leveled up and aware you are. But if free will was not a powerful cosmic law, our societies would not need to get our implicit consent on everything. We would not need convoluted mental gymnastics and propaganda and historical revisionism from ruling elites. Earth would be a much shittier place if our free will could be violated that easily, for example, if this place was a loosh farm why are we not chained up in factory farms tortured forever? Why does the internet exist?

>Your will
Skill issue. At the highest levels of gnosis you realize your will and the Heavenly Father's will are one and the same. All are emanations of the same source. You mistrust yourself because you suck at the game and have not seriously explored the power of your consciousness. Had you spent less time bitching and more time experimenting and self reflection, you wouldn't be such a demoralized doomer who can't get past the tutorial level.

>>43102851
Thank you for demonstrating that you prison planet loosh farm faggots jump to baseless conclusions and unsupported theories without proof. I wouldn't trust you all to lead me out of a grocery store.

>>43103088
Metaphorically similar to why we watch scary movies, seek out sad tragedies and play hard games. Im just the messenger. I wasn't happy when I found out either, it's a huge problem.

>>43103394
bot poster

>>43103394
>Metaphorically similar to why we watch scary movies, seek out sad tragedies and play hard games
We? I never seek out any of those things. Gimme a fun movie, a fun play, and a fun game, and fuck off with "we.

>>43083581
They keep falling for the white light and visions of dead relatives.

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>>43103394
>similar to why we watch scary movies, seek out sad tragedies and play hard games
Never had to get mind wiped to enjoy a movie or video game.
Your metaphor completely falls apart under the lightest of scrutiny.

>>43104115
As if you wouldn't, hypocrite. You can't fight illusions and hallucinations and especially lack of memory of what the truth is. Look at what people fall for in this world, out of comfort, fear or simply lack of information, now imagine this on a grander scale

>>43105984
>Never had to get mind wiped to enjoy a movie or video game

You know how once you've watched over 30 years of movies it gets increasingly harder to find one that is enjoyable? Eventually they all become predictable and only truly exceptional movies still elicit emotions. That is assuming you don't have room temperature IQ.

Now stretch that out for billions of years. Use your imagination here.

Me personally, I know when I first started watching anime, I was in awe and excited and joyful over bottom of the barrel trash. Even isekais. Now, 20 years later, I can only enjoy 0.001% of animes. Same with video games.

If I could memory wipe my brain of all animes and video games just so that I could enjoy them again, I would. You don't because you're probably room temperature IQ.

>Your metaphor completely falls apart under the lightest of scrutiny.

No, it makes perfect sense. Memory wipes are what keeps things fresh and adds immersion. It's you that lacks the ability to connect different parts of the cosmic machinery. As above so below, nigger

>>43104053
You sound like a normie ngl, basic barrel normie with shit taste

>>43083581
Maybe just to experience things without already knowing them
It's like playing minecraft creative mode vs. survival
eventually you get bored when there are no limitations

>>43104115
What if it's the opposite Anon. What if the white light and the relatives lead you to heavens and better workds but not going acceptingj it strands you in this hell? What if archons are actually behind the psyop of "don't go into the white light"?

>>43100968
no one wants to try answering this?

>>43106574
nice projection
now go watch hannibal again, read shakespeare and play dark souls and tell yourself you're not a normie

>>43102806
We have the illusion of free will. Even according to le heckin science, we don't have free will despite everyone being so trigger happy about this issue and not actually embracing this terrible conclusion. Everything is decided by an incomprehensible complexity of genetic, biological, environmental, unconscious, etc. factors and this is not even counting what comes from the spiritual and astral layers. There is no room for actual, conscious decision/will simply because you'd have to live in a void, be devoid of a body, mind, etc.

Yes yes the illusion of free will is absolutely necessary in this world and for humankind to even survive otherwise our society would collapse and not even experience and life as we know it wouldn't be the same. But it's just that, an illusion

>>43106561
>Eventually they all become predictable and only truly exceptional movies still elicit emotions. That is assuming you don't have room temperature IQ.
You think divinity suffer from your ADHD issues and souls have dopamine-like receptors that get fried from exposure? Phew

>Now, 20 years later, I can only enjoy 0.001% of animes. Same with video games.
20 years later you are unlikely the same person and have different priorities, interests, different reserves of energy and attention and probably less time. You may still wake up one day and enjoy one of those bottom of the barrel trash anime plots like you did the first time, fully knowing what to expect.

>>43106649
Nobody can. When you find the answer to how to make a person who's forgotten something, remember that something so they can oppose it. Or how to make a weak person/prey not be overcome by an overpowered person/predator. Then we might have be able to apply the same principles to the spiritual realms so we don't get fucked

>>43106591
Interesting but valid question. Also very scary. It ultimately points back to the same issue here - not knowing the truth and not having the possibility to know it. Because it may be the truth or may be a lie. And without the truth, you cannot truly act to help others or save yourself

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>>43106872
I think it's similar to the difference between

>prison
You know you're in one, everybody knows it. You know the limitations, the constraints, the abuse, the limits and the measures set to keep you confined. You know you are imprisoned and that there is a world outside you can escape to, if you find the means. And there's the possibility of starting riots, using weapons, etc.

>mental institution/prison
The same applies except you are literally kept sedated, confused and deluded. You cannot even begin to think that you can escape, or that you SHOULD escape. There is literally no way you can fight the strapping and the chemicals they inject you with and that flood and override your mind and your heart.

The 2nd one is absolutely terrifying

>>43106884
And both are equally possible if you go by macrocosm <--> microcosm, and the fact that we and our experiences are fractals of the higher and lower realms.

As above, so below. But that goes the other way around

So that basically means that there truly are predators and horrors beyond our comprehension in the higher realms as well - the difference being that they are probably more refined and strategic

>>43103394
>collectivistic (((we)))
Agent smith and genuine hylic

>>43106872
>how to make a weak person/prey not be overcome by an overpowered person/predator
it's called a gun

>>43106561
You are claiming that you are so incompetent and dumb that you are unable to enjoy things after a certain amount of times to the point that you have to make yourself even more retarded (if thats even possible) with mind wipes, and you think that is somehow a good thing?
You show that you are weak yet somehow convinced yourself that it is a strength.
Meanwhile, I and others are fully capable of experiencing things an infinite amount of times with absolutely no drop in quality. We are able to enjoy and appreciate while keeping our intelligence without needing a mind wipe and you think that's low iq.
You are incompetent and your inability to enjoy things without lobotomizing yourself is proof that you the most retarded piece of shit who ever been born.

>>43107120
this

>>43106884
Neither make any sense. The reason being if it was a prison or mental institution and we could be held against our will, we wouldn't have:

1. Dreams, pineal glands, spiritual organs in the body - this is like giving prisoners the keys and the saw.
2. The internet - No prison or mental institution would allow open air communication
3. Continuous incarnation of teacher figures - Buddha, Aeon Christos, among others
4. The very fact that you are on the internet freely bitching about how to escape and what is going on (which contradicts this theory)
5. That we are not in factory farm like hells tortured for loosh
6. This is obviously not a closed loop system, the amount of life and technological advances has only increased and will increase, not decrease. If this was a locked down maximal security prison the population would go down over time, not up.
7. The very fact that love and beauty and goodness exist here at all, and can be spread more freely than ever. There are people born into rich families who never suffer, and others who go on to rebel against the world over and over. A true prison planet would never allow prophets in, that's like bringing in riot leaders, etc.

Prison, mental institution dont fit. Some possible explanations are: some sort of VR program, some sort of birthing chambers for specific types of spirits, some kinda boot camp college like west point, maybe even punishment for past spiritual crimes, etc.

Memory wipes happen but nobody is stopped or can be stopped from retrieving pre incarnation memories if they really wanted to.

>>43107120
>Incompetent
Nah I'm just not retarded like you and my pattern recognition skills are way superior to yours. You're just a retard that gets entertained by the same old boring shit over and over. No wonder you suck at this game lol.

>Weak
Pattern recognition and the ability to understand narrative structures is a strength, not that you would know since you are retarded. It must really suck to not have imagination or understand the big picture. I pity you.

> I and others are fully capable of experiencing things an infinite amount of times with absolutely no drop in quality.

So you're basically one of those lobotomized retarded shonen fans who can mindlessly watch one piece over and over because you're an NPC. Got it. This whole time I've been arguing with a bot lol. Waste of time.

If you hate this world and suffering so much, why are you still here nigger. Your viewpoints contradicts itself. You're a hypocrite, simultaneously whining about suffering yet participating on 4chan and insulting others. Buddy suffering exists because you perpetuate it, you're a maleovant hypocritical piece of retarded shit, now fuck off nigger faggot

>>43107127
>>43107018
Archon bot posts

>>43106865
>You think
You niggers think ad homs are arguments and attacking a strawman works? I never claimed as such, you are attacking a position I don't have.

My position is that humans can feel boredom, God's have been portrayed in stories to be bored, and thus boredom exists in the heavens. Everything exists in the pleroma. It's you niggers that can into logical deduction, as above so below.

>20 years later you are unlikely the same person
Exactly that's my point, do you retarded niggers finally understand just a tiny bit of what I'm saying. There is no "you" it's an illusion. Who is "you" right now? The past you? Present you? Future you? Your definition of "you" is arbitrary and illusionary. Yet, all "yous" consist of a larger whole. Because pieces of "you" can feel bored, that boredom is also a reflection of the whole.

You niggers are like "waaaah the heavens don't seek novelty waaaah" despite thousands of years of great minds and prophets proving the opposite. Im not saying the higher planes feel bored one the same way we do. I'm saying that boredom is a reflection of a mechanism that happens in the higher (technically there is no higher or lower planes) planes.

Do you niggers get it yet? Can you all stop putting words in my mouth and attack positions I don't have? No wonder you 4channers have such skill issue

>>43107510
Being able to recognize a pattern and being able to enjoy it are two separate things. I can see a pattern and like or dislike regardless amount of time viewing it. A good steak will always be pleasurable and smelling shit will always be foul, no matter how much either is experienced. You however are making the argument that eating steak is boring after a set amount of time and one should eat shit for new enjoyment and once that gets boring you should get mind wiped. No, I do not enjoy bad things just because I have alot of good nor will it ever get boring.

> if you hate this world and suffering so much, why are you still here
That what makes it a prison.
>You're a hypocrite, simultaneously whining about suffering yet participating on 4chan and insulting others.
I insult you because you started insulting first. If you can't handle it don't dish it out.
The only maleovant archon is you for defending and perpetuating the situation that we are in.

>>43107481
Your points are retarded but they make me laugh

>1. Dreams, pineal glands, spiritual organs in the body - this is like giving prisoners the keys and the saw.
No it's not. It's more like having windows towards the outside that you can never truly crawl through. Having them does not invalidate your confinement
>2. The internet - No prison or mental institution would allow open air communication
>4. The very fact that you are on the internet freely bitching about how to escape and what is going on (which contradicts this theory)
These two are the most retarded I don't even understand what the internet or air communication even have to do with the spiritual reality? We could travel to the other side of the material universe and it would mean nothing in terms of whether we are confined or not
>3. Continuous incarnation of teacher figures - Buddha, Aeon Christos, among others
Still not valid. Assuming those figures exist and are/were free, they can let themselves get caught or infiltrate the prison to try to incite liberation. Since one was not enough, it is clearly not working. For all we know, they may be trapped as well now even though they willingly stepped into it for us
>5. That we are not in factory farm like hells tortured for loosh
What are your arguments that we are not in a sophisticated loosh farm? And what gives you the right to say that there aren't lots of people who do feel tortured on this earth, for no good reason?

>>43107609
cont

>6. This is obviously not a closed loop system, the amount of life and technological advances has only increased and will increase, not decrease. If this was a locked down maximal security prison the population would go down over time, not up.
That can have various explanations. Earth may be a new/young prison system which is filling up gradually. System conditions may also influence how many are allowed in the prison (they may also tweak these conditions). A lot of the incarnations may be false (NPCs) to make us believe this is paradise in fact and heckin everyone wants to join! You can have increasing technology and still exist in a closed system because none of that influences what's on the outside. Technology may also be influenced or permitted within certain means by the wardens who experiment with loosh and possibly reset the world every time it reaches a threshold (assuming this world's tech would actually pose a threat to them)
>7. The very fact that love and beauty and goodness exist here at all, and can be spread more freely than ever. There are people born into rich families who never suffer, and others who go on to rebel against the world over and over. A true prison planet would never allow prophets in, that's like bringing in riot leaders, etc.
Maybe it's really a secure system and souls can "pay" their way in or gain sympathy but never truly escape. But it's a stretch to say rich people don't suffer, everyone in life does in their own way. And they had to "fight" for their way up to the top like any dumb gangsta gang leader in prison, unless they come in with reputation or something. Love beauty etc existing does not invalidate the prison idea

>maybe even punishment for past spiritual crimes.
Yeah maybe closer to truth except you are branded forever and the guards are abusive

>Memory wipes happen but nobody is stopped or can be stopped from retrieving pre incarnation memories if they really wanted to.
Archon bollock

>>43107550
>There is no "you" it's an illusion. Who is "you" right now? The past you? Present you? Future you? Your definition of "you" is arbitrary and illusionary.
Only if you define yourself by superficial shit like your opinions, your beliefs or your tastes in anime. If that's really all your selfhood is based on have then I hate to say it anon but you're probably an NPC.

Btw the word is illusory, not "illusionary."

>>43107865
Another retarded strawman lol. When did I ever say that my selfhood is based on concepts born from contrast, movement and polarity? Is there even a selfhood to speak of? Or are you too NPC to question if the selfhood even exists?

What do you based your identity on, come on tell me, don't be shy nigger

>Illusory vs illusionary

Illusionary has been around since 1866, and was a older and valid variant since then. The fact that you don't know this tells me all I need to know. Is nitpicking syntax, refusing to address the semantics and attacking strawmen the only arguments you have? Because you suck even at that.

>>43107594
You're a nigger that spreads your negativity and inner demons and inability to be free onto 4chan. You project your skill issue and failings in life everywhere else because you are an NPC that can't self reflect and admit your flaws. All you can do is attack others who disagree with you, hero-villian narratives are all you are spiritually capable of, designating enemies and attacking them like a rabid dog. That's what goyim cattle do, like you did several messages back when you immediately escalated to calling someone "dishonest" just because they expressed an opinion you don't like.

I'm a nigger that comes onto 4chan to shit talk like I'm in a call of duty lobby, be retarded, act retarded, call others retarded, be a toxic piece of shit anonymously because I get bored of being a happy monk maxxing financially stable white collar worker. My real life situation is too peaceful, conflict free, harmonious with a community, happy and stable that I specifically come here to fling shit with monkeys and be a monkey.

We are not the same.

You are trapped because you suck at the game. I'm not, because I can admit to my flaws and understand the suffering is part of the journey. You are your own archon nigger. And yes, even people who love steak don't eat it every fucking day, you're a disingenuous nigger. This is my last reply to a demon like you, because your responses are getting predictable and retarded. All you can do is invent strawman like "oh if you say this it means you say eating shit is good!" as if that's an argument lol. Nothing more to say to you other then the fact that you have skill issue. If you can't take control of your own spirit, to seek the ineffable truth until you realize you were always free and sovereign, you don't deserve to graduate this shithole. In fact you have proven exactly why you are trapped here, and don't deserve to get out.

>>43108060
You are projecting. If you are able to differentiate me from others, read all my posts and you will see no negativity was displayed with the exception to you and that was in response to your negative insults. I never attacked anyone except for you who attacked first.
You even admitted to it in your own post here.
>I'm a nigger that comes onto 4chan to shit talk like I'm in a call of duty lobby, be retarded, act retarded, call others retarded, be a toxic piece of shit anonymously because I get bored.
The only person who is here spreading negativity because of their dissatisfaction of life is you by your own admission.
And I have never called anyone here dishonest. You are confusing posters. The only is complaining and spreading negativity is you and everyone else is just meeting you at your level. And not only you are spreading negativity you are promoting as a good thing, that to much good and not enough bad is boring and the only way to fix that is constantly being mind wipe.
>this shithole
I'm glad to see that you finally admit that the current system and the world is indeed shit.

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>>43083581
The existence of purpose remains questionable when confined to the amusement of those who constructed this prison, this fabricated reality, this infernal domain—existing solely for their entertainment derived from our exquisite suffering, our torment, our pain, our profound agony. The philosophical argument regarding lessons proves fundamentally flawed, as one acquires no genuine knowledge within these constraints; should death and rebirth occur, the accumulated wisdom dissolves into oblivion, rendering the entire premise meaningless. What justification persists?

Ultimately, I harbor the fervent hope that no divine entities, extraterrestrial intelligences, or interdimensional beings orchestrate our existence. Rather, I envision this world as magnificently unremarkable—merely the consequence of random phenomena unfolding across millennia, with humanity emerging through chance and destined to return to absolute nothingness upon our final demise.

>>43083581
Recycle waste products.

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Baseball Player Dies and Meets Family on the Other Side

https://youtu.be/0qgMLVeofVw?is=0sKALgy0RpQsRnHX

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Shocked Back to Life: Man Shares His Journey to the Other Side

https://youtu.be/V08LTgsJikY?is=g5ongaKp6aIAuxi5

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Woman Dies and is Brought Back by Divine Intervention

https://youtu.be/ZvPK77AAqeI?is=YDg6yEscc0_wgM-4

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>>43083581
Student Dies on Class Trip & Discovers There is Life After Death

https://youtu.be/pnPL-mdtouM?is=xSbzHv7Iyh0UFIK3

>>43108060
That’s me. I’m the one who spreads my negativity and misery and demons all over everywhere. Not him.

>>43108060
>wageslaving is enlightened o algo

A few moments I have felt unconditional love
Lifes tough, I am sure its easier without a body
No body, no pain receptors

>>43108060
I hope you hit your testicles with a hammer until you realize you were always a hashtag sovereign xister and you can just null the pain void

Reincarnation, like many human mental constructs, is wishful thinking. "Cope" for those who want personal continuance.

Ship of Theseus comes to mind - is a car built from the same material that that ship was built from still of the same 'soul'? No because neither has a brain. Humans anthropomorphize that which is not human.

Anyway perhaps reincarnation is real, however as OP wisely asks what is the purpose? Now is all that exists. The past is real yes, and there is a future. But ceasing asking such questions and existing right now which is all that beings such as us can be certain of is of course the "best" way. Realest way.

Cheers and good journey all. <3

>>43107609
1/2

Jumping into debate here.

>windows towards the outside
You do understand that dreams and astral projection were what gave birth to concepts like loosh in the first place with Robert Monroe right? And most spiritual visions? If you reject astral projection as an epistemic basis, then everything about demons and prison planet could also be false and baseless.

> internet or air communication
His point was metaphorical. If this planet truly was a prison planet, then communication about this planet being a prison would be the number one priority for the material architects to suppress. But you can complain about archons and the demiurge and the matrix freely on the internet. Hollywood, infamously jew controlled, made several gnostic coded movies.

To me the theory that elites want you to think that it is a prison planet with no hope of reform sounds more plausible. That's why they release so many movies about it. Like all the other billionaire funded propaganda including christcuckery.

>Buddha, Christ can be trapped
Now that's just retarded. If there was zero hope for escape such that entire founders of egregores, including gnosticism, could be trapped, there would be no need for propaganda. The material architects would not need to spend so much time suppressing ideas or doing convoluted free will shit. They could just force you into torture chambers.

>we are not in a sophisticated loosh farm
We could be, but its not black and white. There are both people being tortured and both people enjoying their lives on Earth. If it was just a simple prison, explain why we have both people who seem to have life on easy mode and love their human material life?

>>43107627
2/2
>various explanations
These are just your wild theories anon. There's no proof on any of your conjectures. Calling it a new young prison system implies that the universe is actively cruel and would create prison systems on a galactic scale. If this was happening, we would be in torture chambers, and there would be no pretense about free will. No need to suppress information and make it hard for people to awaken, because if what you are saying is true, then if I was the elite, why would I stop people from awakening to the prison planet? They wouldn't be able to escape anyway.

>NPC
How do you know you aren't the NPC? People who use the term NPC think they are so special and always think they are the PC that are above the masses. But could it be that is exactly how NPCs, worse, archons, think?

>Technology may also be influenced

If this was a prison planet for loosh harvesting then that sounds insanely retarded and convoluted. Let's take the prison metaphor. Why would you, as a prison warden, allow any technology at all? Just cut off people's arms and legs. Just lock people in a cage, strap them to a table. To maximize loosh, inject them with drugs to give them joy then inflict severe pain. Then memory wipe them again and again at intervals.

But, people are only memory wiped once? Despite the prison wardens supposedly having the ability to do so? That doesn't make sense, why not use it more?

And in the modern age, people are free to exchange ideas using a medium that connects people globally? That doesn't make sense. No prison would benefit from allowing this in a prison cell. No prison would benefit from allowing people to discuss the architecture of the prison and how to get out or who the wardens are.

>Maybe it's really a secure system, no way out!

Doesn't seem like it. Again, we're not in torture chambers and there's an awful lot of money put into demonizing enlightenment.

>Archon bollock
How do you know you aren't the archon?

>>43108262
I mean, you both are spreading negativity here. Even if he started insulting you first, you proved you aren't different from him. I think both of you are spiritually immature. Although this is 4chan, calling each other niggers is pretty common here.

>>43083581
Life is pretty gay for most people.
For those of us who can tap into the astral, willingly, forcefully, or accidentally, I've found that each offers perspective that can be used in the opposite realm.
I've had conscious experiences which helped make sense or navigate astral interaction/experience and I've had astral experience which helped make physical reality make sense.
Most people are completely blocked. Those that aren't completely blocked it takes a lifetime of trying to understand.
It's absolutely real.
Not sure why we would choose to be in a flesh prison. Maybe it's a prison. Maybe we're deranged like cenobites who want to experience all nerve sense of the flesh so we keep diving back in, as a bug, as a deer, as a human, as a bird, as a tree? We keep diving back in possibly.
Why are demons constantly trying to possess people? They are desperately trying to manipulate the mind and flesh of this world. Why would they care?
If we can find fulfillment we are lucky. I haven't quite found it in a way that's convenient to me. Fulfillment is the only thing which makes life worth living. Not to be ck fused with a Skinnerbox dopamine trap. They are similar. Fulfillment is not why we are here I don't think, what I'm saying is it's the only thing which brings true joy to the physical existence. So many never find it. Most never find it.

>>43113015
Reincarnation exists, that's a fact. Only disingenuous people deny it despite the mountains of evidence for it, and all the greatest spiritual explorers outright confirming it exists. The materials rot, but the design and information still persists.

Also reincarnation is a bad thing, calling it "wishful thinking" as if people want it to exist when it literally allows the persistence of suffering and pain is laughably inaccurate.

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There is a divinity, there are higher spiritual entities and they are either playing Sims or orchestrating my life. There is truly no free will.

I am literally oppressed by what you would call Fate or Destiny. Plagued by synchronicities and strange coincidences, weird dreams and symbols, thoughts and feelings that I cannot explain or stop. I am a leaf trying to go against the wind. No matter how much I try to have some autonomy and impose my will onto my own life course, my choices are sabotaged or taken away. Doors shut in my face.

The only allowed paths are those that come from external will/circumstances and are shoved in front of me, with foreshadowing too so that I am fully aware of what comes next and how I have no control over my life or soul.

I used to find solace in the protection and guidance of the divine hand but now I'm not sure what that means anymore. Maybe I'm truly retarded and would die without it, but I'm also dying inside under the weight of it.

>>43087759
>Imagine playing animal crossing and stardew valley for billions of years. Wouldn't it get boring?
Even more mature games don't have suffering
>In a video game, if your guy gets hit in the arm by someone hitting them with a lead pipe, your guy goes "ouch" and you heal to use a healing item to recover your HP
>In real life, if you get hit in the arm by a lead pipe, your bones shatter, giving weeks of recovery time if you get it treated, or maybe it'd just heal wrong and never be the same way again
And there's tons of stuff like that. Even in games with plot, nothing is ever too serious. There might be monsters hurting people, but most games won't cross a line because that'd be too depressing.
So why does God insist on maximizing suffering?

>>43116569
Anon...there are plenty of mature games that have suffering. Suicide, rape, torture, brainwashing, etc. Despite most people not enjoying these games, they are still sought out and even successful.

>most games won't cross a line because that'd be too depressing

There are games that cross every line in the book, incest, rape, torture and become very popular. In fact part of the appeal is that they do cross those lines.

>So why does God insist on maximizing suffering?
You assume God created this world.

>>43116514
What is the evidence for it?

>>43087562
fuck off vulture

>>43116575
>there are plenty of mature games that have suffering
No there arent. There are games that depict disturbing images. There is no one single game out that suffers. the only place you could say suffering exists in a game is what a player of the game experiences, but that is wholly outside the game and not felt by the game or anything inside of it.
>You assume God created this world.
If you accept otherwise than God is a liar and again not someone to approach.

it was all created, the space the universe/energy exists on predates the energy, we fold into this dimension, you can infer this by looking at how the periodic table of elements spirals upwards, and death is merely folding out, space folds faster than light, you cannot measure the soul/dimensional pattern because it operates through space, while your energy in this relative dimension you are in operates on space, things aren't actually solid, atoms are mostly space, objects, etc... and space is a multidimensional timeless medium where all energies and forces operate through, time is energy folding space, the pattern, vortex/whirlpool/donut/etc... repeats throughout nature, because all energy transforms through space and space which predates matter/energy contains the rules for energy transformation, it was all created. evolution is energy transformation, so is radiation and the periodic table of elements... anyway, going back to life and death, deaths not the end. don't believe the judeo masonic abrahamics, the christians, muslims, jews, the bankers, masons, and their allies, they are all traitors, ideological and spiritual jew slaves, slaves to jews coin, they are enemy of the truth and the nature of creation, we are supposed to go up, nor spiral down, this world is a spiral up and they created all the obstacles, and turned life which is free to slavery for coin.

>>43118108
>nor spiral down,
not spiral down

>>43083581
Unironically I think it's just a way to keep souls from going insane or to give new souls a fresh new start/experience. I mean can you actually imagine living in one carnation for ETERNITY?

>>43087759
>that's why japanese misery porn is so popular
i'd say it's popular because it's japanese and a whole generation needs to die before people notice japanese things aren't good anymore

Not reading any of the replies in this thread, but I will reply to the topic at hand as share my intuitive thoughts.
Abrahamic religions were approved by the governing forces of this realm to basically provide the idea that "I am the only thing there is" in a separated way.
Pre this influx of gay ass shit, it was like you incarnate into the realm within our realm of your original birth, which was probably tied into the origin point of your soul.
Red team incarnates into red team, living good life and dying for red team allows higher incarnation within red team ,etc. until apotheosis.
I think (and I could be wrong here, just a general inkling), that Jesus is the antidote to that "I am the only thing" separated style.
Like the actual unconditionally loving version of it instead of the synagogue of satan style of it.

>>43088947
He doesn't know self is a conditioned illusion. NGMI