I'm in the same boat. I think you have to be one of the chosen ones to experience them. Monroe was the ultimate chosen one upon whom these travels were forced and later mastered them. Others were also chosen to experience them and maybe we were too, at some point and just that. But we either fucked it up, are too unevolved or unworthy of more and thus our attempts are futile. We won't have them again unless we are allowed or forced into them again

Just relax bro

To be fair Monroe startet experiencing these only in his 40s so for some people it just takes some time to be in that stage as bad as it sounds

>>43084633
True, but wasn't he as ordinary as it can get? I mean he displayed no remarkable or particular trait, predisposition, preoccupation, etc. His life was ordinary, he looked ordinary, he behaved and thought ordinarily.

And here we are on /x/ and in general, convinced that we have to stand out somehow and be extraordinary by default or through practice, before we can gain access to extraordinary experiences.

This goes to show that mysterious out of the ordinary things can be put into motion behind completely plain and ordinary scenes. Or perhaps there are out of the ordinary happenings "scheduled" to happen no matter how boring and devoid of mystery life may be/appear at any given time

>>43084670
Other than him being a pretty successful business man he was quite normie yes

But I guarantee you trying to force anything will make sure it's 100% blocked

I just kind of give up on it other than trying some REBAL breathing while falling asleep

>>43084703
THIS. It's like the more I practice and try, the less accessible it is. Like a mirage that only comes to you on its own terms the moment you stop chasing it

Once I give up out of frustration and say fuck the astral world Imma go back to my plain normie life, BAM I end up in the astral. It's like you can only look at these things the way you look at distant stars, by looking slightly away otherwise they fade into the dark blur

Monroe said to ask for help from higher spiritual entities. But what if we call upon him? Has anybody tried that? In his books, he said he tried to guide quite a few lost souls so wouldn't he want to try to guide us as well? Or did he fuck off to an unreachable system

>>43084803
Its argued that whenever people dream they are in the astral. So everyone is basically a frequent traveler. However your state of consciousness can make it impossible for others to guide you as you will just be "dreaming".

Think of an ant compared to the consciousness and reasoning of a human. There a different layers of consciousness in the astral just like in this plane

Did I fuck up? In my last two travels, I sensed a vague presence watching and my energy became defiant for no reason. First one I was stuck mid way in my body, couldn't get out completely and got thrown back after noticing the presence but the second one I turned angrily towards what I perceived thick darkness beyond my window and told it defiantly to show itself. It then struck me with a piercing energy in my chest, it was very painful and I fell to my knees and jolted awake feeling like I almost physically had a heart attack

I haven't been able to project ever since. We're those evil entities or just some sort of threshold watchers who deemed me an aggressive monkey and banned me from the astral realms? How do I fix this or find out what happened?

>>43085394
Your REBAL likely absorbed the brunt of the attack without your knowledge, however such incidents can leave fragments of fear and doubt. What would uncle Bob say? "First, your Energy Conversio Box - use this." Do just the Release and Recharge exercise four days back to back and flush the residual energy from the encounter out of your system, allow your system to stabilize.

>>43084803
I ran into him on Focus 21 and gave him a hug

>>43084164
Anticipation can shift your focus to chasing mode. Let's jsut say, take those indicators as just that, road signs along the highway to your destination. You don't drive until you see the next roadd sign and the next, you are just driving down the road. Recognizing the indicators can be helpful in remaining calm; I experienced the woosh and little hostile looking characters during sleep once, my heart started pounding and had this horrible fear that I might die. Knowing the woosh and sometimes the sense of fear that follows purely from others' experiences, I knew that I was in an OBE and actually pretty safe so I drifted past without conflict.

>>43084164
The tapes are a red herring. The declassified docs jerking them off are pretty obviously a false lead to cause foreign nations to waste time, capital, and man hours, on a wild goose chase.
It's the same reason china patented a time machine. International counter-inteligence. The cold war was still running when we penned that shit, and we were having our spies do petty shit like empty the coffee machines and loosen screws. We 100% would have wrote the gateway documents for the same reasons.

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My first OBE was a couple years ago. I was wearing a sleeping mask and taking a nap. Upon waking up, I was conscious but still basically sleeping and the mask made my eyes stay shut. I sort of instinctively "got up" from my own body, walked in my room and when I started thinking about how awesome this shit is I snapped back to my body. The more you're unfocused and not trying, the easier it comes.
Also one time on LSD I had my eyes closed and felt like I was before a huge woman standing in front of a huge gate. I got excited and started looking like pic related and it felt like she thought I wasn't ready and she went away.

Basically I think the divine find mortals to be really annoying when they're super amazed by everything happening, like someone coming to your job and being like "wow a stapler! wow a printer! is that a heckin computer?!" Old people are already worn down and unimpressible so they fit better in the divine.

>>43086177
Unfortunately I hadn't done any REBAL before because it was an involuntary, unexpected projection while taking a short nap.

But I will try the Release and Recharge exercise and go to sleep mentally prepared cause you never know

>>43087943
I kinda get it that they perceive us like annoying overstimulated and overly curious brats, but it's not like our fault for being like this. They made us ignorant and limited and then they act offended and superior when we go like your pic rel because THEY allowed us a peak into what is boring and normal for them, like wtf. For divine beings that's not very wise

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i know man, two times i have had the vibrational stage in the beginning, now - not even a chance. I am pretty convinced we are not supposed to go to the astral with lucid mind, and the jannies (archons - cosmic nigger faggots) can spot a person attempting this and block him from gaining access, aside from a few selected guys like Monroe

>>43084164
i am always willing to help threads like these with all of the public domain resources i have already curated, here they are:

Mega Version:https://mega.nz/folder/GYQhjABI#uIqhwSjWDykrBVMLUDa3DA
Google Drive Version:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IVg2Y6YE-K1z1Kc3z5u5GarTWG4bi2gT?usp=drive_link

Sample Primer Audiobooks on OBEs:https://mega.nz/folder/nEwwCCxD#Ch7IJtoQ-pyL-q-mfiotGQ

Additional Resources Listed Here:https://pastebin.com/v8dBCLhN

Use these at your leisure if you wish

>>43088804
Does the bubble and hiss in the recordings of GE affect its efficacy much?

>>43088848
no thats just the fault of the technology at the time, the tapes should work perfectly fine if you put in the proper work

>>43088851
Coolio

>>43084182
>I think you have to be one of the chosen ones to experience them.
Wrong and this is literally jewish way of thinking or at least can get there.

Everyone is capable of it and believe me I read accounts of absolute retards who attain something I dream of when I only have just experience a fraction.

There really is nothing more to astral projection then:
>Body asleep. Mind awake.

From there all that really matters is your body going to sleep while your consciousness stays awake.
If you're slightest binge conscious in the body you're doing this wrong. Do not obey the guides for sleep methods. Learn what puts you to actual sleep and learn what keeps your mid conscious while the body is actually drifting to sleep.

I for example literally cannot experience sleep paralysis and all guides I just learned work for those who do and can get into it from bed.
I have to put my in such position that it will go to sleep while keeping my mind awake some of very OG guides from here made by anons.

>>43085394
>I sensed a vague presence watching and my energy became defiant for no reason. First one I was stuck mid way in my body, couldn't get out completely and got thrown back after noticing the presence but the second one I turned angrily towards what I perceived thick darkness

That's what is waiting for you if you continue. You don't want that kind of attention.

>>43090761
>I read accounts of absolute retards who did nothing and suddenly it happened to them or achieved it in a blink of an eye
And then you read accounts of absolute retards who dedicated years of their lives to attain it and still did not

Yeah everyone's capable because everyone has an astral body but that's the extent of it. Just like everyone has limbs but not the inclination, genetics or physiology to become professional athletes

>>43085394
>hang out in the astral realm where nobody invited you
>see a lump of darkness minding its own business
>get triggered
Is this what being a lightworker means?

actual footage of anon (with sound) https://imgur.com/a/UZH4FWw

>>43092480
>Lump of efferreal darkness dindu nuffins

>>43086553
Anything available for normies on line id deck definitely watered down neutered be at best.
More likely it's CIA revisions put out there to harm or even enslave ppl

>>43084164
>I can STILL feel my body - breathing, heart rate, twitches, how the surface of the bed presses against me. The need to occasionally GULP

Things like twitches, itches, and the need to occasionally gulp or yawn are ways that your subconscious tests to see if your consciousness is awake or asleep. What you need to do is to remain perfectly still and resist the temptation to move or itch or yawn or gulp. Your subconscious won't allow anything fun to happen if it knows your body isn't asleep. The way your subconscious knows you are asleep is if you don't respond to the test stimuli it sends. Just lay perfectly still and don't move at all. If you can reliably do this you can move to the next stage. I avoid the need to gulp by sucking in my mouth creating a slight negative pressure so saliva doesn't have any space to fill.

>>43084164
I often wonder if the state of mind-awake, body-asleep can be medically induced. Sort of like when people who go under anesthesia sometimes on rare occasions are alert and feeling even though they cannot move their body.

>>43084164
I've had hundreds of OBE but only a couple I was able to just lie down and exit my body. Most often it works during waking. You are already waking up out of body. This happens every time you wake up, you are just never aware enough of it to act. When you become aware of it, you notice that your body is lighter, and you get up. That's it. The gateway tapes and meditation are about honing your attention so that you do notice when it happens and are able to maintain awareness. But it is not a skill, it is a state. You do the practice so that you get in the right state and it usually lasts for a couple of days until it resets. The longer you practice within the day, the more likely the desired result.

>>43091859
Not that anon but ngl, that sounds like a challenge

>>43092480
>>43092482
kek

>>43092547
Technically, it should be possible. I believe there are plenty of meds that can interfere with your sleep and make that state more likely or extended. Also, I think that's what coma means for some people, those that report experiences at least

But yeah, if such a pill existed, half of this board would be taking it. With potentially horrifying applications

>I avoid the need to gulp by sucking in my mouth creating a slight negative pressure so saliva doesn't have any space to fill.
I've been trying to do that lately as well but how do you ensure proper negative pressure? I find that in the end it still builds up, just more slowly. And sometimes, at exactly the wrong moment

Do less. You might feel the need to gulp, a twitch fire off, or you might become conscious of your breathing. Your body does all this shit while you sleep every night; there are documented cases of people sleepwalking and traveling to different cities. Your body doesn't need you.
If you are busy wanting to relax, you are not wanting an OBE. You need to leave your body behind. If thoughts come up about your bodily perceptions you just lightly pop them. When the body, brain, and you are separate you can fully focus on going somewhere else. It's important to note you will still feel things in your body because of the ways layers overlap, just observe them because they are important, but ultimately they aren't real so you don't need to invest anything into them.

>>43092547
stimulating the right portions of the brain with strong magnets can supposedly do the trick.
I've also heard that sudden acceleration or changes in equilibrium during hypnagogic states can trigger out of body experiences

>>43093880
This. OBEs happen mostly when waking up. I bet you move, gulp and whatever then too, it's just that you don't pay attention and that's key

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I have been working on this pretty hardcore for the past few months and I am of the belief that maybe an OBE is possible from my own current progress in meditation over the past decade.

HOWEVER, one of the main problems that I see is that none of the people who claim to have OBEs can ever do something simple like read text that people put out as a challenge. If OBEs are real then it should be easy to prove by simply reading hidden text.

Can anyone explain what's going on here? (I actually think I know but am curious about what others think)

>>43094197
In my experience, information gleaned while out of body is similar to information gleaned while remote viewing. The information is sampled and processed through different means than physical sensory information, it is often noisy and low resolution with gaps filled in using heuristics, and can even be 'time-displaced' in regards to your physical experiences in a manner that lead to biased interpretations, misunderstandings, or inaccuracies. Because of this, something apparently small and simple in scope like reading text can more difficult or unreliable (especially to inexperienced practitioners) than attempting to assimilate non-local information more broadly.

>>43094197
This. I put a one playing card face side up without looking on top of a shelf incase i ever get OOBE so i can go float and take a look to get personal confirmation that i wasnt just hallucinating.

>>43094254
I'm thinking along similar lines and the implications of this possibility are quite staggering.

You mention that maybe better practitioners could read text, but even that doesn't seem to be the case. We should have at least one person somewhere proving OBEs are real I'd imagine. And yet we have none. Perhaps it is never possible due to natural limitations of that area of existence.

But my question is, why? It's such an odd limitation. It also means that consciousness is not everything. Which is a huge blow to people who follow the doctrine that we are all god or whatever

>>43094326
Maybe there are various levels of physical reality and when we pop out, we're in one of many of them where text isn't really there

>>43094326
Do you know anything about holography?
My understanding is that the universe is something akin to a holographic consciousness, which is to say that its constituent fragments or pieces (fundamental particles) each contain the same information the universe holds in its entirety, but at a lower "resolution"
Therefore, assemblies of these particles of sufficient complexity (us) are able to access some of this information (it's inside of us). This would mean that things like remote viewing and OBEs don't necessarily involve "leaving the body and moving around to look at things" in a traditional physical sense, and is instead more like a denoising or other computational process that essentially upsacles or reconstructs real "non-local" information about other parts of the universe using the "local" lower resolution fractally self-similar information present within each and every one of us (god)

or to use a clumsy analogy imagine a computer algorithm for generating procedural terrain, like minecraft
let's say the entire universe is generated using this algorithm
your mind in certain states also generates terrain using essentially the same algorithm

if you use random seeds, you can generate all kinds of random environments, or dreams

but if you have the exact same seed that the universe used (and you do), you can generate a map of the real universe internally and explore it without being subject to physical limitations. The accuracy or correspondence to the external universe would not be perfect but could be enough to provide what appears to be non-local or causality violating faster than light information transference (clairvoyance, telepathy, etc)

>>43094337
I believe there is an element of truth to this, but it maybe has to do with fractal lacunarity
some features can emerge at specific scales, then disappear, then re-emerge again later

>>43084164
I have been using these for a year and they are not meant to guide you into an OBE until Wave III. Waves 1 and 2 are preparing you and includes some self-improvement stuff that basically hypnotise you into being a better version of yourself.

Once you get to Wave III he starts teaching you remote viewing, telepathy, how to separate from your body, and how to view your past lives.

I've had some very intense experiences that were definitely not dreams. The experience where you lift out of your your body and float around your bed or house is not that interesting. There are a lot of wild things to do on the astral besides this. A few things I have done:

1. Seen past lives
2. Made friends with an entity
3. Time travel
4. Telepathy with other occultists(alive and dead)
5. Interacted with Greys and Pleadians
6. Stuff that is so crazy that I don't even want to write down right now

Thankfully I wrote all of this down in great detail as soon as I came out of it.

I have found that they stop working not too long after you become good at staying awake through them. I am taking a break right now and will cycle through them again in a month or two. When you stop and come back to them, it's like starting fresh.

>>43094337
I had a lucid dream where I popped out into an old mansion. I picked up a newspaper and started reading and it was just gibberish. That's how I knew it was a dream.

>>43094629
I'd guess the vast majority of people who have OBEs are just lucid dreaming. A real OBE would be life changing in a way that would completely rewire you psychologically.

There's gotta be a way to truly test this stuff

>>43084164
You are like a man who just walks into the desert and expects to see the next country over. You need a vehicle, a method to modulate the spacetime around your being while you’re disconnected from your body. The problem isn’t relaxing, its moving without moving. Don’t move, become aware that you are being moved.

My issue is I have no clue what f12 is supposed to be like or how to enter it. Bob just says expanded awareness and counts from 10 to 12 which isn't that long of s count to start anything. I guess F10 is when I can move but I'm too lazy to do it which is supposedly what it should be like. But I'm either too retarded to figure f12 out or the tapes are too vague or misleading

I just started the gateway tapes, and just tried focus 10.
I definitely felt something. I don't know if I achieved focus 10 per se, but I definitely hit a point where I felt like I was on the verge of sleeping. I no longer 'felt' the bed. I felt as if I were floating almost, though I could still feel the pressure against me
And coming down from it was definitely akin to waking up, the gentle pins and needles running down my arms and all.

The best part is I genuinely felt great afterwards, like I had taken a really nice power nap. Just like the tape guided, my sense were sharp and energetic

I'm doing this completely unguided, haven't read any guides or anything just the tapes off spotify and a few peoples personal recounts, but considering how much I actually felt with just orientation and tape 1, I'm thinking of doing some reading to learn more. I want to know when I should move on to the next one

How often do you guys do it? I read some people just run a tape every day until they felt ready to move on. Like daily for months on end. Is that right?

>>43096802
First few times I tried gateway focus 10 felt like I was rolling to the side even though my back was glued to the bed and it almost felt annoying because I was trying to straighten "myself" back into the position my body was in.
I also had mental imagery, the same kind you'd have in normal conditions, of things I've never seen before that which I later saw irl and it freaked me the fuck out because it was very specific and not something I saw and buried in subconscious
I also suppose the altered state was real because that tune he plays at the end of each tape kicked me into gear and woke me up instantly with a feeling like I slept and rested for hours.
It's a shame I'm an adhd retard and gateway got old quickly, if that weren't the case I'd be practicing higher levels by now

>>43098027
And I forgot to add, I think you're in the right by not following guides because from my experience in most things that aren't technical, following guides fucks your experience and results up because you are expecting something to happen that happened to a completely different person who's obviously not you and for all we know might have a completely different mentality and neurology or life experience. That's like asking chad and and incel on what chicks like and how to impress them, you'll get 2 completely different and opposing answers which won't help you

Here's some tips. The focus levels have defined traits but you kinda need to feel out an image of what they look like in the moment. Almost like you need to build a translation of what you're experiencing. When you get back you'll know and remember but there's no "real" sensory information. I'm going to share some examples, read at your own risk if you don't want my experience to effect yours:


F10 - Your mind has been blank long enough, cut off from the attention feeding your body that it starts generating feelings that aren't in your body. Stuff like the REBAL swarming around you, vortex like shapes near your head or navel, etc. If your body wants to do stuff, DO NOT IGNORE IT. Just watch. I get strong vibrations that push stuff out of the top of my head for example.

F12 - Once the body settles you need to expand. If you're having trouble make a strong mental image of a bird over the ocean. When you breath in, the bird lifts it's wings, and when you breathe out the bird flaps it's wings down and you rise slightly. When you breath in you will be drawn in slightly back towards your center, but each exhale will push you out. If you can feel out your third eye, you'll know when you're done because you'll expand slightly outside of your skull. If you're using the bird imagery, you've escaped the gravity well and are free floating in space. This is where you start using stuff like energy bar tools to look back down at stuff on earth or go visit "planets". (Pro tip: imagine going to the eye of jupiter and diving in. Your body might react a bit but it's fine. Take note of what you find at the surface)

F15 - Use the same expansive movements to get to 15. The bird imagery is a little too limiting here; concave your astral body a bit like you're clinging to a ball and expand. You'll hit the outside of the universe in the same way you made it to the other side of your skull. Silence becomes stillness. Shit hangs out here, but it's still your turf.

>>43098285
Oh and F21 is the big casual filter. Bob's method preps you and helps you hitchhike through it. If you want to do it completely under you're own power you'll need to know 5 entities equally.

>>43098285
>>43098313
Bob’s larping sure is shitty.
As soon as you go past the halfway point in his first book the trash just builds up and you end up with the low grade fiction you just posted.
If more anons read his stuff before trying the tapes they would not even waste their time.

>>43084164

I’ve been able to see through my room through my eyelids a few times, and remote viewed my friend editing music on his PC. Now though I mostly get random stuff, like women I don’t recognise or strange views from windows that aren’t mine. Last time I tried I was asking to make contact with an intelligence, asking where they come from, and a woman’s voice buzzed at the base of my skull, literally a vibration, that said “we’re from there” but I didn’t see anything that time.
Since starting, I’ve also had success summoning UAP.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHeqcFOSx50
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BSy5RW8KMBU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kMSEI2ELkBI

>>43094559
What do you mean wave 3 teaches how to drop your body when the very first tape of wave 1 says in the beginning to put your body in the conversion box before even starting any of the other steps????

>>43098285
See it doesn work like that for me, in my case F10 is just laying down and not wanting to get up, F12 is that plus I'm not "looking" through my eyes but kind of from behind them and as a sort of 360 camera.
Other than that I'm pretty sure F15 is the same shit, I highly respect Bob but he did a shit job at explaining his work and differentiating between these states
>>43098495
You don't drop your body in the box, you put things that are tied to whatever was bothering you so it doesn't cause a distraction. I imagine dumping my wallet, phone, watch and clothes in it then putting on a disposable white suit like the ones you'd wear in a chemical factory or something

>>43098495
As that poster said, waves 1 and 2 are largely about introductory meditation practices, with some guidance and mnemonic devices to help steer and assist you in later waves.
It's a bit like playing a musical instrument, you initially start with learning very basic finger positioning and then practice regularly to build muscle memory and strength. It can take some people a great deal of practice before they are able to play a song.

These kinds of meditative practices can actually forge new neural pathways that allow for interconnectivity between regions of the brain that don't communicate during normal states of consciousness. It takes time and repeated reinforcement or exercise for these neural pathways to form. Depending on what you are trying to achieve it can takes months or even years of regular dedicated practice to get yourself to a point where you can easily slip into these altered states of consciousness at will.

>>43098495
>>43098536
Ha, I imagine vomiting black sludge into the box, then peeling off my skin and putting it in the box, then I kick it off the edge into lava way below me and fly away as a rainbow soul-man, which always gives me butterflies in my stomach.

>>43098628
based

>>43098536
Some tapes do say “all your physical matter” too.

>>43098313
What 5 entities are you talking about

>>43098664
everyone tends to have some nonphysical, often nonhuman friends or guides.
together they can sort of form a network or graph structure that can help you access and communicate information to places you might otherwise have difficulty getting to on your own.

>>43098681
>I have 5 made up friends who are not human.
Lmao

>>43098664
I won't tell you. It's outside the scope of Gateway Tapes are more into religious/occult practice.

>>43099097
That's okay champ.

>>43084164
I got stuck on one wave whrein I couldn't envision my balloon thing. I had trouble thinking of it shooting out of my head or whatever. Felt like one of those retards trying to imagine a complex 3D apple.

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>>43099468
Visualiize floating at the center of this, with the top and bottom poles aligned with your head and feet. Then comes the siwrly part

>>43099482
Thanks. Gonna need to make a new attempt this coming week. It's been several months.

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>>43099468
The glowie manual illustrates the swirling energies as such. I find that I use an electric blue color for the outside torus and gold color for the inner swirlies

>>43099493
you can begin by envisioning a simplified version and then attempt to add more detail as you feel comfortable
a simple spinning disk or ring around yourself is a start

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>>43099499
>gold color for the inner swirlies
makes me think of picrel energy shields kek

>>43099545
If that's what works for you that's a good image to anchor to. It doesn't have to be strict and procedural; make it "your own" and have fun with it

>>43099545
Snowbound, a map I wish was a little more fun to play because I wish to love it more than I do.

>>43098664
Wake up 2 hours before your usual time, and meditate. While meditating, ask your guides to step into your energy so they can help you astral project. keep meditating for a bit. Go back to sleep and you may wake up in the vibratory state

>>43084164
>>43084182
Why almost everyone on this board such an incompetent retard? Bunch of losers who can't do anything right.

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>>43098027
>>43098040
Thanks for the insite Anon, and yeah I am shocked at how tangibly real that altered state is, because the wake up noise/count down definitely send a wave through me and like you said, I end up feeling quite refreshed.
I tried Advanced F10 today but definitely still too early, I think I might spend a few days just practicing intro F10 to get a better feel for it and improve general meditation hygiene

But all that being said, I am again shocked and just how real it is. I wouldn't say I am a skeptic, but I definitely didn't expect to feel something just with orientation, and my attempts at more regular meditation experiences in the past never really worked because I couldn't quite clear my mind like this

Overall, I am actually quite excited to explore this more, I would truly enjoy experiencing more than my body

>>43094629
So if I have a dream and I can read text, scroll phone, etc does that mean it could be more than a dream?

>>43098394
This. I respect him and I dived into his books with curiosity, open mindedness and awe but at some point he really lost me. It felt like reading fiction indeed and I was just skipping through the pages

Having said that, I still believe in mind-blowing OBEs, liminal experiences and what not and I even had a few (still trying through the Focus 10 method because that's as far as I am capable of reaching based on his instrucitons). But I can't take Monroe's books, findings or ideas seriously anymore

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>>43101761
I unironically came out of F10 sessions feeling like Manny after eating the little book of calm, feels great

>>43101761
I'm 99% sure that by the time you go past the half of any tracks that are F10 related you'll already be in F12 more or less, but F12 specific tracks do have somewhat different binaural tune inside of them.
Now as I said earlier following instructions for these non mechanical things can be misleading and all of the practices in the F12 section are kinda useless because the way Bob presented patterning or problem solving for instance maybe just made sense to him, for example you maybe don't want to create some intricate spiritual and mental patterns for a month but need something plain ss soon as possible.
So basically stick to F12 freeflow, it's way better because the tape will get you into hypnagogic state and you can do what you want in it.
My experience, not universal and maybe useless to you but easiest way to get into F12 for me was being in F10 then dropping mentally through whatever I'm laying on then positioning my fake eyes in the middle and scanning around the room from memory, this makes your mortal mind believe you really are displaced from the meatsuit, hope this helps and good luck

>>43098285
I tried doing F12 without reading the documentation and to me it felt more like my presence is a gas encapsulating the room, as opposed to my own body. Did I fuck up or is that somewhere between Focus 12 and Focus 15?

It's weird because I struggle to consistently get into Focus 10 compared to that "Focus 12".

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>>43102197
It's going to be a bit different for everyone. The focus levels are a valiant attempt at trying to categorize this stuff, but aren't train stations. Think less about "am I in focus 10 or 12" and feel the effect. Bob uses focus levels to generally describe an experience, but that experience can't be fully transmitted to another person. It's a knowledge vs wisdom thing. The focus level function as triggers to help you anchor to certain states, like a place to rest while climbing a cliff. As for what you were describing, that's vaguely where I experience focus 11 I guess you could say. That feeling just needs to go through the wall, see it envelop your house, then your neighbordhood, etc.

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>>43099499
Yeah hang out in that energy cultivation thread. Qi gong stuff has similar patterns but focuses on waking focus.

>>43102197
>>43105129
Also I want to add that everything in this thread including what I said is not necessarily true in a sense. You'll see lots of people, Bob included, sharing stories and experiences that are incongruent or contradictory to eachother. None of this is real; it's outside of reality. The qualia of experience will be radically different on your way up, but as you get closer to the top you'll be submerged in so much of it that you'll see things differently. Some people get to fly around, some get to bang psychic aliens, some people claim to give up, but in the end all the differences and separation between ideas will fade.

>>43102197
how did you try it? did you imagine literally expanding beyond your body? I simply don't understand how to "imagine" focus 12 and I feel like I have to imagine something, even if it's not quite visual

>>43084164
Started the tapes two days ago, only did the first one, it was cool I guess, I felt weird energy pulsing through me, not much else, but I've read a lot of people have weird experiences.
Will do the second one today

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>>43106448
I imagined the Foucs 10 REBAL as shifting consciousness from my body into the imaginary balloon itself, rather than an abstract tool or shield. So Focus 12 was a natural extension of increasing the magnitude. My brain is hyperactive so focusing away from my physical body helped me, but do whatever works for you. My version of the REBAL was probably not the intended depiction, which I think made it harder for me to reach Focus 10 but easier to reach Focus 12.
Think a lot of this less about following a particular diagram or guide or even visualizing, as much as it is getting a kind of proprioceptive feeling.

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Ok so I just came out of Discovery 2
It's not some crazy out of wordly experience but I also don't know if in being psyopped into wasting time. I should put in less effort into relaxing next time and just let go but my body did seem asleep the whole time and it did feel the way it feels when waking up when it ended. During the last part I was trying to roll out or move my astral body (hands and such) but I was probably too scared to really move my hand and ruin it.
I haven't tried the finger behind neck or hand to forehead but I probably will. Does anyone have similar experiences? How many tapes into does it start to feel right?

>>43108318
>being psyopped
The muh gateway be wasting muh time and sheit line that you encounter here every now and then is itself a psyop of a subset of søyccultists who are simply malding that the powers they worked for for years are being obtained by normiechads with relative ease. If you are getting something out of the tapes, keep doing them

don't you die just yet

>tfw can't focus 10 because I'm itchy/too sleepy/acid reflux/need to poop
yes this is a literal shitpost but it's a real dilemma
sometimes the stars align
sometimes

>>43084164
I have only used the first of the tapes. After listening to it, I felt so calm that I began crying.

I have had strange dreams since then:

>holding a strange glowing cube with runes on it
>a woman made of light sitting on my hips (I was laying on my side) and holding my hand
>simultaneously seeing myself from a third person POV and a first person POV (I've always had dreams like this, but they've become more detailed)

Hey. I hadn't noticed there was a gateway thread.
I started a year and a half ago. Rightaway I had strong feeling of moving fast, being sucked up. Shortly after I started to have cool hallucinations. I started to have lucid dreams several times a week too, although this was not wanted or expected. Then it stopped. I started again six months later, about two months ago, and for now it's rather weak and I mostly fail at the exercises. The reason is probably that I want results and I am very anxious because of many stuff, while the first time I was just trying without expecting and I could just free my mind.

Like most of you I am not sure about focus levels.
Usually I consider myself in focus 10 when I don't feel my body anymore. I know that I am in my bedroom but I just don't feel my body anymore, it sleeps. Then I feel like spinning slowly, or falling slowly, and if I think "I am not laying, I am standing tall" then it feels real, I feel like standing.
I consider myself in focus 12 when I feel gone far away from the room. This is when hallucinations used to come. Nowadays I just feel far away but no visuals anymore.
I don't feel clearly when I reach 10 or 12 but I feel clearly when I fall down from 12 to 10 and from 10 to normal. And I don't know if this is really 12 or a deep 10.
Only on two occasions I felt like I was not only gone somewhere else but went outside of the structure that contains time and space. Not sure it was really the void, I wasn't able to manifest anything from there.

Also, I never succeeded at any of the communication exercises, I never receive any answer.

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>>43084164
the tapes are a scam and no one can convince me otherwise

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>>43084164
you have to remember he huffed glue and other shady shit for months before he started experiencing the crazy OBEs

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>>43084164
I'm kind of stuck at discovery 3 right now, I really can't visualize the Resonant Ballon and I haven't really nailed down f10. Any experiences?

Psilocybin

>>43084164
you need to focus on headbuzz, i always just focused on my forehead because thats where i was feeling that sound was coming from and that bzzzz sound became louder and my body started vibrating af