Hail Satan!
>>43107894ok even though you're an asshole in my thread i agree with you
>>43107894Oh no, someone has a different religion than me, how scary. Hail Satan!
god is worthless and satan is a fucking loser what are y'all bothering for
>>43108067we should worship you instead rightwe should listen to your opinion
Hail Satan, friend!!! Glad I caught this epic thread when I did, as I usually get flooded with harassment from Christcucks trying to convert me, usually. Let's post some real stuff about demonology here, I will start: the Goetic methods of summoning are insulting to the Satanic deities, so it is not recommended.
>>43107882Harvey wants feeding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TddyNN_s1YE
How do you guys perform greater magic rituals?
>>43109591
>>43109602Whoa lets see if this works
>>43109591>>43109602
>>43109309>goetic methods are insulting to demonsno they're not
:)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TZxewmKnYc
>>43109782The Mormons aren't so bad
I tried researching the JoS/ToZ religion and they literally believe in everything I believe in: Goetia and neo-Nazism. (It's only the alien parts I do not believe.) Unfortunately, they onpy have a YouTube channel with comments disabled. And their websites are shut down. D: It's like the Universe is conspiring against me gaining real knowledge through Satanism.
I found the Ancient Forums (Temple of Zeus) and all the posters there are uncool New Agers and hippies. FUCK. MY. LIFE.
>>43110539and you will fit right in, seeing how much of an underage edgelord you are. 14-year-old wannabe nutsacks are their main audience. check out their totally legit photo from a tabloid website that totally proves that hitler made a pact with the devil, too.
>>43110651Not underage, not an edgelord. I just got helped by demons in the past, for FREE. And I'm a Nazi, because I believe in eugenics, genuinely.
pffft.Satan or Ha_Shaitan is an order of angel according to the Quran. So you're basically saying.HAIL SEARGENT!SIR YES SIR!
>>43110794I worship ALL forms of truth. I'm not into Satanism to be edgy or rebel. I truly want to learn Satanism to make my life and afterlife/reincarnation better.
>>43107882Stopped being a satanist the moment I realized I could be a nietschzean vitalist egoist without the baggage of satanic spirituality.
>>43107882>Hail Satanthat's wassup
>>43109447Eviscerating mundanes that have been sufficiently tested inside a stone circle
>>43113263Love thine enemies. Same coin, different side
niggerhail yo mama's ass
>>43113263I'm praising the adversary of God, idiot.
I wear a pentagram around town at stores like TJ Max, Michael’s, etc… it’s so funny seeing the Karen’s clenching their pearls. I’m just waiting for one of these bitches to press me.
So, I like hanging out with "satanists", but I don't worship satan/lucifer because I don't believe in christianity or hebrew stuff. I understand the "concept" of lucifer/satan as "The Accuser" who was actually an angel who "accused" the wicked in the name of God. This includes God himself, and thus, Satan is not actually the enemy of God, even though that is the divine purpose and role in the theater of existence that he has been assigned to play. He "acts" as the great enemy, as the opponent and deceiver, as a kind of test of each person's faith, because God be like that. Since God is a paranoid nigger, he has to create divine entities such as "demons" in order to sort out who is full of shit and who means business. That's why he lets the devil ruin Job's life for literally no fucking reason except to prove a point.I think that's fucking stupid, like the entire thing is fucking stupid. Christians are stupid, but so is anything giving them any attention. Fuck the entire paradigm, the entire story, the entire world view and cosmos it presents. Fuck all of that noise.Hail Odin, let's go Ragnarok bros, hand me that "mead of poetry" nigga, I'm thirsty.
>>43114289You're lucky you get to hang out with based Satanists, all I ever get are batshit insane Christcuck stalkers following me around everywhere trying to convert me all the time.
>>43114357tbf the only "based" satanists I have ever meet have been online, never in person. the ones you meet in person are always incredibly fucking cringe, one step away from fedora wearing vaping retards carrying around fake katanas.
>>43114398Cringe Satanists are still better than psychotic Christians who mob you irl.
>>43114398you don't wanna catch this nippon steel
>>43107882>Hail Satan!lmao>>43113249xDDDbased>>43113667kek"you need some humbling"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umM7ehJqpg4
>>43114501Oh look another psychotic Christian. By the way, why do you have an image of Shaggy from Scooby Doo as Satan? You're f*cking weird.
>>43114412lmfao
>>43114521>another psychotic ChristianEven in your realm of deception there is truth, there is no problem for me with that, but i only hail god, not jesus, not the pope, not your satan. :Dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbpNJNXg1Q
>>43114412I've only run into those at college. Faggots standing around handing out fliers for their churches or they have little pavilions with fold out tables and chairs preaching through a shitty guitar amp and a bad microphone.Every time one of those niggers tries to hand me a brochure I tell them to throw their own trash away and fuck off. They always look astonished, or they laugh reflexively like idiots as I walk away. They literally can't even process how retarded they are.
>>43114610Eh, not even the worse. Out of all the retarded groups that exist today, I honestely hate "normal" Christcucks the least.
>>43114643what I just described is not "normal" it's fucking insane, it's the behavior of a fucking lunatic"normal" christcucks are literally normal. As in, they are completely invisible. They don't talk about it. They just live it. They go to work. They go home. They buy groceries. They go to sleep. They just cope and don't push or shove. They're slaves but they're quiet and don't project, so they're just cattle. They're harmless and don't bother me at all except when they get in my way, which is rare because they're all cowards and always give in to pressure immediately.No offense but, you sound young. I'm not. I'm telling stories, not theories. This is not what I think, it's what I remember. Your turn. Tell us about your "experiences". You've said nothing so far at all about what you've been through except try to cock block everything I keep saying I've been through. Throw down, buddy. Let's hear it. What's the "worst" you've ever been through, and don't be vague. I'm not here for philosophy or poetry.
>>43114671Chill, I am another anon. I am just saying that while Christcucks are absoloutly insufferable, I'll take them over any kind of any other faggot thats trying to make me sign a petition of make me visit a book club about Marx.
>>43114682or*
>>43114682I didn't ask you to repeat what you already said. I can read it myself by scrolling up. I responded to it. You're either insulting me or a coward. I said tell me a story. Now do so, not your worthless opinion. I'm not interested in your thoughts or feelings, I'm interested in your experiences.Talk about them, or fuck off.
>>43114692I'll tell you a story, faggot. I made a post on 4chinz /x/ board. And some retard told me he doesnt carse about my opinion and wanted to be entertained by a story.Happy now?
>>43114682Liberals are fucking cringe too, I can't believe I was once friends with those virtue signallers.
>>43114708lol, eat shit you fucking autistic retardenjoy your cortisol
Why are you idiots even in this thread? Go watch Christopher Hitchens compilations on youtube or something.
>>43114731>enjoy your cortisolI will. Only thing making me feel alive these days.
Satan seems like the other side of the coin to me. In the book of Job he obeys god.You can do magic without the intervention of any god, just your own Eternal Spirit.
>>43113263The adversary of gods "chosen" people sounds like they mite b cool
Satanism is literally just misunderstandings/superficial readings of "anti-Christian" philosophy packaged into a religion with rituals for those who are still psychologically attached to Christianity. You'd be better off reading the actual philosophy that books like The Satanic Bible owe most of their work to, because you're not gonna get much out of most forms of Satanism, it's mostly just edgy atheism designed to appeal to teenagers.There are "serious" forms of Satanism that have existed, but most of them either fizzled out or eventually abandoned the title of "Satanism" due to its history as this edgy form of Objectivist atheism blended with Freudian psychology that really says nothing new or interesting.
>>43115467Oh man thanks anonymous 4chan poster this is exactly what I've been missing in all my years of religious study
>>43115471Voldemort as an idea is the hero. Harry Potter is just a delusional abused neurodivergent child.
Fuck Satan in the ass
>>43117985Fuck yo momma in the throat, bitch. Satan rules, meanwhile you drool.
>>43114671>Tell us about your "experiences"I thought about this and my experiences are largely online. I have the experience of living most of my life in front of the screen. I've had friends in the real in the past, but they've all mostly dried up on the vine now. I'm thirty two. I have a friend who sells me weed. I have a mother who loans me money. I have a brother who I rarely see. I have a father who I hate. I am high on cannabis. I smoke cigarettes. I drink energy drinks. I believe in Satan. I write on this forum and hate hate hate, people and the world. And I pretend to be enlightened, even though I'm just a hermit who is tired of this world. And even worse, I'm not even a hermit, I'm just a bum and a manchild according to today's vernacular. Well, at least I can pay a rent and not work.Hope my story was even remotely interesting. If not, take it as a fuck you.
>>43117991oh and sometimes I write poetry and prose.
>>43117991You sound like a completely ordinary, normal person.Take that as you will.
>>43109782Who the fuck told you what Satanism was invented by the jews?
Has anyone found where the joy of satan pages were moved to? Last I checked they were down and they were useful
Please tell me about satanism because most of what I see in this is basically very similar to what this anon wrote:>>43114973>Satanism is literally just misunderstandings/superficial readings of "anti-Christian" philosophy packaged into a religion with rituals for those who are still psychologically attached to ChristianityBy whatever form of worship for Satan, you acknowledge Christianity and voice a belief in the Christian God instead. In one way or another, the point of reference is Christianity. You either demonstrate a literal belief that can't exist without Christianity or you uphold secular values in opposition to Christianity.How can Satanism stand on its own?>You'd be better off reading the actual philosophy that books like The Satanic Bible owe most of their work toSee, this book also seems to be more about some philosophy that's just "not Christian", how can this be a belief system and not just a statement that it's some philosopy which isn't Christianity? There are like at least 3 different schools of thought which aren't Christian/Abrahamic, both secular and religious. Why does Satanism need some outside point of reference?
>>43107882hail an entity that hates my fucking guts!! retard>>43108067bot retard>>43109309this post reads like a bot fucktard shit it out LOL>>43109782me when im a bot retard>>43119623so many dipshits on this boardsatan is the ultimate loser and most of the posters on this shit board are either bot idiots or low IQ people...almost indistinguishable at this point
>>43119647>most of the posters on this shit board are either bot idiots or low IQ people...oh shit someone else noticed it
>>43119647Satan may hate you or not, but you need a chill pill because some satanic religions are atheist or self-theist...
>>43119615True, Voldemort should have let Harry Potter and Neville Longbottom die as dorky children who get picked on.
>>43119647Go back to your thread and rot, insane Christcuck.
>>43118145Christianity doesn't stand on its own either, it's build on top of Judaism. So's Islam. Just because a religion grows out of another one doesn't mean it isn't valid. I believe God is a tyrant and Satan told us so, according to Genesis.
>>43119647If Satan hated you, he wouldn't have tried to tell you the truth about God. He wouldn't try to get you to stand on your own two feet. He wouldn't answer prayers and honor pacts.
>>43107882Saturn makes those born under him petty, /2P/ malignant, care-worn, self-depreciating, solitary,deceitful, secretive in their trickery, strict, downcast, with a hypocritical air, squalid, black-clad,importunate, sad-looking, miserable, with a nautical bent, plying waterside trades. Saturn also causeshumblings, sluggishness, unemployment, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion ofbusiness, secrets, imprisonment, chains, griefs, accusations, tears, bereavement, capture, exposures ofchildren. Saturn makes serfs and farmers because of its rule over the land, and it causes men to be renters ofproperty, tax farmers, and violent in action. It puts into one’s hands great ranks and distinguishedpositions, supervisions, management of others’ property, and the fathership of others’ children. Ofmaterials, it rules lead, wood, and stone. Of the limbs of the body, it rules the legs, the knees, thetendons, the lymph, the phlegm, the bladder, the kidneys, and the internal, hidden organs. Saturn isindicative of injuries arising from cold and moisture, such as dropsy, neuralgia, gout, cough, dysentery,hernia, spasms. It is indicative of these syndromes: possession, homosexuality, and depravity. Saturnmakes bachelors and widows, bereavements, and childlessness. It causes violent deaths by water,strangulation, imprisonment, or dysentery. It also causes falling on the face.
>>43121102^^^^^ Facts ^^^^^And if Christ truly loved you, he wouldn't be the one telling everyone to turn the other ass cheek while DEMANDING that a non-Jew help out a Jew for FREE. Which is also why I hate Jews.
>>43107882Satan is Yahweh with a different mask. Christ has come to liberate us from both.
>>43121139Christ was a conman and the King of the HOMELESS. He died a criminal scum for doing fucked up shit like overturning an honest merchant's table. He rightfully died for being a tyrant who demanded that people call him King of the Jews. And I don't even like Jews to begin with.
And even if Jesus really loved me, I would not love Jesus in turn. I would shun Jesus and cast him out into the cold.
Hi Satan still sperging I see
>>43113263Google hitlers wife’s DNAHis first SS’s DNAAnd His Drama Coach’s DNAThe one prized for giving Hitler his addictive dynamo The same one who is also an occultist and clairvoyantFun Fact 𒐈 in Sumerian is es and 3making eS eS 33 △ ▽Esh in Hebrew meaning Fire Like Holocaust is a Torah Reference to a whole burnt offering for god
>>43121307Esh is also S shin aka Holy fire Pic related a Jewish Priestly Blessing (Birkat Kohanim)Each hand making a Shin(ש) as if the Rebe is Casting Holy Fire over his Flock 3ש3שThe Vulcan salute comes from thisThe name Vulcanbeing a reference to the Fire God/Smith from which the word volcano arises
>>43121314Forgot Shins number in Hebrew is 300Also there is also another variation of this blessingAnusim use to distinguish themselves in art"Crypto-Jews (Anusim) historically utilized subtle hand gestures, such as the priestly blessing gesture (similar to the Vulcan salute or a "W" shape) or specific hand placements in portraits, to identify fellow Jews and maintain their faith in secret while appearing to conform to Catholicism during the Inquisition. These gestures were often subtle adaptations of religious symbols to evade persecution."https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7233791/https://daratheodora.com/2017/11/01/mysterious-gesture/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338457261_Secret_hand_gestures_in_paintings
>>43121307>>43121314>>43121321Oh and K the 11th letter comes from The 3 6 OK hand sign Originally depicting one drinking from a Saucerand supposedly why we still raise our pinky to drink in elegance todayThis latter evolved into meaning a 3 fingered hand/palm/pierced palm-hamsa A reference to the hidden palm/palm tree people I bring this up as a bonus because 𐤊 𐤊 𐤊 =33
>>43121307𒐈 can also be seen as 3 Hebrew VavsVav meaning Tent Peg (also fishing hook)Vavs number being 6Making 𒐈 𒐈 both 3 3 and 666 666 making 36
I should add a triangle is 180 degrees 60 60 60A circle is 360
>>43121457All holes are the goal says the golfer
>>43121489Or was he a fisher man Trying to hook her And get the fish hooked
>>4312147218 balls and pp36 pp and butt It’s all sex; six
>>43121513 ק-ב-ל
>>43114289"No one can upset you, you chose to be." Job is rewarded, it is not the same as what he had before, but he ends with 7fold. He just had to not give up. His faith alone was enough.With Odin, should you be correct in your beliefs, would need to violently die in battle, and then you get a 50/50 of the Field or Valhalla if you were a decent enough warrior, Odin doesn't take everyone. If you die from pretty much anything but battle or drowning you go to a cool dark place of rest, and if you drown you go to something like Davey Jones' locker... all of this depends on why you took your last breath. Even a great warrior in a time of peace would end up somewhere other than Valhalla. But Job is guaranteed a place after death. God let's Satan do what he wants provided he doesn't take Job's life, and this is because God knows that Job will never curse him, and this acts as a demonstration of how we can withstand and persevere the harshness of the world, as the rain will fall on the just and the unjust. Not trying to preach, but it is very important to understand that it is not simply God torturing Job through Satan in this story. Satan wants the fall of man because we are imperfect, he continuously plots to rid the earth of humans and if he can get Job who is devout in his servitude to God, to curse God, then everyone else isn't worth keeping either. I'm not sure what Satanists belive about this, or if they believe in the same accounts found in the Bible, but this is a better example of the book of Job, his patience, and commitment are akin to Jesus knowing he will be sacrificed for the sake of all of man, as he prays in the garden, as a man, who does not wish to die, but confirms that he will follow God's plan if it must be done this way. Also... it would be pretty interesting to imagine a guy with a machine gun poping up in Valhalla... do they all get a m60 now, or does that guy have to use swords and axes like the rest of them?>>43114610God loves you buddy
>>43121321His mistake was trying to make a deal with them. He honestly believed they would be content to move to Palestine and then leave Germany alone. That's why that coin was made. He was too kind. The painter gets second place in their most hated list, the carpenter gets first.
>>43122661Anon do you really think the boys are going to ignore all the other evidence presented To go oh yah they just tricked him on this one thing he’s still our goy
>>43121321>muh putting your hand on the hips means you are le masonSounds like a whole load of nothing. "Ein Nazi fährt nach Palestina" was about Leopold von Mildenstein checking out Palestina, and potention Jewish remigration to there, plans which were later scrapped.
Who said anything about hands on hip being anything Zion boy>why are you being so obvious about your manipulation Have you just been goating me to reveal the method You can just ask why these games So Do you think by being blatant about your manipulations Others will just think this is all me talking to myself Cause that’s also a stupid game Is this just the le troll we are all just playing a stupid games and all the moves are stupid moves even my ownWhich is really just a shabbos goy psy op Idk anon you tell me
>>43121575I just want you to know that I didn't bother reading any of your post beyond the initial quote. I ginored you, just like those faggots shoving brochures in my face. Go fuck yourself, nigger.
>>43122990>Is this just the le troll we are all just playing a stupid games and all the moves are stupid moves even my ownIt's all a game really and that's all it will ever really be. The only stupid moves are the one that result in you yourself losing and your enemy winning.I guess I would definiatly welcome a stupid move on your part, just as you would benefit from a stupid move of mine.In the end that's all we can hope for.
>>43123012Well that’s what confuses me You play like a master manipulator But you act like a retard in your manipulationsIs this just your logos not aligning with nous aka narcissism in actionLike even right now you basically admitting to being an Astroturfing Glow Nigger who got Called Out
>>43123025You're not completely wrong. But I am not on the side you think I am on.Look, I'll just say it, what happens in this world is only a game. It's not that important really. Nothing more than playing cowboy and injun in the backyard. If you knew how many chances you have, and this life just being one of many, you'll probably be far more relaxed.None of this is very serious you see, hence you call it clown world.
>>43123040No shit retard I’m not a goyBut how stupid do you want your goys to be Do you knot ralies in this process you’ve also made yourself retarded I get it’s relative But eventually it’s all going to be thinking rocksAnd there’s no try again there It’s just endless looping
>>43123068That's your problem. You're losing, we are fighting over you, and you are bitter cause your powerless. My side is also losing, we have lost by 40% already by the estimation of the enemy. But I am still enjoyin the game, don't let yourself get bitter over it. No hard feelings, right?
>>43123082See this is just a bot posting nonsense I guess the glow fucked want to glow fuck like pedophiles
>>43123093Not a bot, if you get it you get it. If you don't, well you're just a goy like the rest of 'em.
>>43123102A goy would say you’re not a bot But actors professional liars for coin Aka whores or just the free slut Are bots none the less What side do you lead with lies or truths Is this going to be a game where there is only two doors one door that can only tell the truth and one door that can only tell a lieThese captures are interesting as you will swear you’re right on something and then you’ll literally have to touch every individual part of it to realize you’re wrong
>>43123118Well if I am a slut I am certainly not for free. Believe me, I am compensated quite handsomly for my efforts.
>>43123124Way to waste allot of breath and charm on saying yah I’m a whore deal with it
>>43123135Slut or no. I am quite rich in spirit thanks to my benefactorsAnd if you were to be a bit more of a listener and less talkative you might even gain similiar benefits, who knows?
>>43123142So in all this wasted breath that I’ve tuned into and dismantled to the core Greed en couraged Manipulation What have you tuned intoJustify that I’m a talker while you’re a listener As i bind your talking to its core via listening And you create emotional distractionsNot saying that’s what you’re going to do, but it’s probably what you’re going to do
>>43109253You shouldI am godI am the fallen starI had the hidden sunLuci is a tranny faggot lmao and I punched in angel school like the loser he was
>>43123164Oh you'll listen. Eventually... Cause one day you will realize that the cattle is not worth saving (if you don't already) and you will find that we greet all actual humans with open arms and warm smiles.
>>43123171Was this your emotional distraction?
kek
>>43123183self loathing and schizophrenia
>>43123181Anon you’re posting on 4chanif my gated utopia totally not a shabbos goy bullshit privileged hellLeads me to being some one who has to censor 4chan of all places as a job ((hobby)) living I’d kill myself Hell I’m basically the polar and the only thing that keeps me going is I enjoy the illusion of helping others while I frustrate and shit on “demons”Your apparent argument being that you love that you frustrate and shit on angels
>>43123199I don’t see much self-loathing or schizophrenia more like sociopathy really
>>43123212If I was a sociopath You would already be deadYour soul disassembled and regurgitated through my willYour autonomy overshadowedYour existence no moreAll you would know is lawNumbers are given and not derived
>>43123207>Leads me to being some one who has to censor 4chan of all places as a job ((hobby)) living I’d kill myselfWell its more of a side gig if anything. But if shitposting on 4chan all day is all I had to do to earn my bread and afford a house in such a nice neighborhood as I am currently residing in, I'd be ecstatic.Unfortunatly for me I have a bit more of workload on my shoulders, and have to bear bigger responsibilities. I'll keep my eyes on you, take care, friend.
>>43123220Anon claims being a living bot aka bit aka actor Some how makes him godWhat a cosmic joke
>>43123238>cosmic jokeLike Lucifer in high school lmao
>>43123242>Unfortunatly for meAnd youI don’t fall for mind tricks
>>43123250Im already emptyThe beginning is newthe ending is old
>>43123263I’m already and empty vesselGive me m/n lp
Autists aren’t golem 2.0 I’m just an empty vessel
>>43123282>>43123269The lord of emptiness welcomes you in nothing is everythingthe numbers are yoursevery value shall have its oppositewe are one we are allwe are separatewe are nothing
>>43123321I was joking I’m not some pussy looking to get fucked
>>43123330And the opposition has come welcome to the fold
>>43123331Are you a pussy looking to be fuckedCause I got standards transanon
Positivity and negativity unifyMasculine and Feminineyou have already been fucked anonit was how you were createdemptiness in the end
>>43123337Anon is using LLM to restrict knowledge Positive or negativeInb4 well getting raped os a good thing cause if the gland is stimulated consensually or not it will come
So like, what lhp tradition are you nigras?
>>43123508Essentially, I want to ask if you use commercialbooks, and if you've found them infested with metaphysical dogfucking buttsids.
>>43113667you're retarded, Satan is employed by God to be an adversary to men. They're on the same side.
>>43123508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoNrvb9VcAI&t=6s
>>43120853bot fucktard>>43121060you are a dipshit machine, get owned fucktard>>43121097bot retard>>43121127profound bot retard>>43123519retardsatan is the ultimate loser and youre a retard if you worship him LMFAO
>>43107882Align your Shaqras!
>>43123949Satan is fake. Lol you’re the ultimate loser.
>>43123962bot fucktard
>>43123949>>43124139You're the bot, you have Main Character Syndrome. I bet you're not even telepathic.
>>43123171SORRY BUDDYI'm a OBEDIENT FAGGOT who only worships COCK
I’ve been dealing with a demonic entity for years. I did my first EVP session today where I pressured her and acted like she was replaceable. I captured a voice of a girl saying “what!?” immediately after I said “that will not be a spot that is open to you any longer”. Thoughts? Advice?
>>43122732
>>43118145Satanists do not believe in Jewish mythology. In Satanism, Satan is more of a symbolic mascot and its adherents do not actually believe in the mythological satan. He represents freedom and rebellion, and satanists admire the character as a promethean figure. I shouldn’t have to tell you this, you’re all unbelievably stupid
>>43124338I hear they have pills for that
>>43124338bot fucktard LOL
what happened to all the regulars from years ago? this thread is almost entirely filled with christcucks preaching
>>43125218>epstein talks about moot>then suddenly moot creates /pol/>then suddenly and organically #GG happens>then suddenly and organically this place attracts magatards from reddit and facebook>4chan culture is perversed and raped by this wave of normoid edgelords who think that 4chan is all about being based edgy conservatard>4chan served it's purpose and now it's a dead site where remnants of it's users numb their midlife crisis by screaming strings of slurs at each other
>>43125328Christcucks aren't normal at all, they are boorish, low class and trash. The conservative racist ones are usually rich though, unfortunately.
>>43107882Satanism is cringe
>>43107882You know, what I dislike about satanism or at least the behavior of many self-proclaimed satanists is this performative edginess in everything. I dislike abrahamic shit for its slave morality, hypocrisy and existential victim-blaming and gaslighting. But I equally dislike social-darwinism as well as fascination with violence and cruelty that a lot of satanists display. It's like two sides of the same shitty coin.I eventually found the more or less convenient middle ground in gnosticism and buddhism I guess.But still: am I wrong about satanism? Is there more to it than "let's be psychotic assholes about everything, cos nothing matters anyway"?
>>43107882>Christ is Lord>Life's good>Praise be to God>The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord
>>43127594>Prove to me your worth Who the fuck are you? Either you are interested in Satan, or you aren't. Why should a Satanist share his understanding with someone who is not in league with the devil?
>>43125067There is also theistic Satanism.
>>43128415yeah but even that sort of satanism usually doesn’t believe the narrative of the biblical Satan, they view it as propaganda and revere essentially a completely different entity than the Bible Satan. They don’t view him as a liar but as a truth teller, he’s not the personification of evil, he’s a liberator. Christcucks in this thread doing the whole >why would you worship the bad guy lol don’t you know he’s evil and loses in the end why would you follow an evil loser lol are complete fucking retards
>>43128526The Christcucks' whole power structure relies on deception and gaslighting. Did you expect anything different from the Cult of Christ?
>>43128526If you actually crack open the bible and read Genesis, and if you read the serpent as Satan, you arrive at the conclusion that Satan is precisely a truth teller and God is the one who lies.Some weaklings corrupt this knowledge by claiming God is Satan and Satan is God. This is like playing "opposite day" and leads nowhere.
>>43128663>reading the jew book Lmao I remember being 15 too
>>43128663but the serpent obviously isn’t Satan because it’s cursed to slither on its belly and Satan is specifically described in Job as walking around the earth, which he could not do if he was slithering like a snake. The New Testament directly calls satan an evil liar and satanists obviously do not believe that
>>43128833>it’s cursed to slither on its belly and Satan is specifically described in Job as walking around the earthSymbolically and historically, the serpent has been associated with Satan, so it's quite easy to make the association. Satan could take many forms, I believe. Why couldn't Satan take the form of a snake? Satan has all kind of powers, as shown in Job.>The New Testament directly calls satan an evil liar and satanists obviously do not believe thatYep, that's one of the distinctions which makes us a different religion from Judaism or Christianity. We trust in Satan, we believe he speaks truly.Another thing is, without Satan we wouldn't have knowledge of good and evil. Satan urged us to disobey God and learn the truth as a consequence.
I want to ask my fellow Satanists, what makes you strong in your faith?
What about gnostic satanism like tobl and mlo?
>>43128930Murder mob
>>43128910Satanism got me results. I never gave Christianity a chance, but I did notice that Creflo Dollar type scam pastors were common in the Christian faith. Not to mention the scam churches in Ethiopia and that one Korean scam church that scammed some Japanese woman out of millions. But anyway yeah: Demons deliver. Christ just shits himself and dies.
>>43128949>Murder mobWho? That one heavy metal singer?
>>43128905If Satan was cursed to slither, it wouldn’t make any sense if he was capable of shapeshifting legs to walk anyway. The serpent is obviously an explanatory mythology of why actual snakes don’t have legs, it’s definitely not supposed to be Satan and it literally doesn’t make sense for it to be him. >without Satan we wouldn't have knowledge of good and evil.Once again, the serpent is 100% not Satan, it’s literally just a serpent. Satan had nothing to do with Adam and Eve.
>>43129177souls aren’t real, and if they were, you couldn’t lose your soul because the soul is literally you and you can’t lose yourself. Wherever the soul goes, you go. As far as ownership of me, I’d rather be owned by Satan than God, but on the left hand path, we aren’t owned by anyone
Devil loves god so much it’s incomprehensible. He is not against the father.
>>43129205*cont Though I suppose you are correct that there is a long history in both christian and satanic circles of considering the serpent to be Satan, and despite the fact that the original intent of the writing obviously wasn’t Satan, the fact that people have often conflated the two characters means that the typical view of Satan is as the serpent. Ultimately it doesn’t really matter what the original intention was, the religious tradition does conflate Satan with the serpent and so it’s understandable that satanists would view the apple incident as evidence of satan’s liberation of humanity and his truth telling nature
>>43129251based on what, the Bible? Christian tradition? I don’t consider those to be an authority on the subject like you do. That being said, I do believe that Satan-if any such figure actually exists-hates humanity to an extent, or is at least jealous, but that’s part of the appeal. There are those he likes, perhaps even loves. I share that hatred for mankind in general, it’s part of the reason I’m drawn to him in the first place. I often conflate Satan with Zeus, as they’re very similar characters, and Zeus also has a love/hate relationship with humans in but nevertheless appreciates those who honor and respect him and otherwise behave virtuously (or are smoking hot babes lol)
I love Satan. /fin
>>43129252yes, that’s one of the Muslim interpretations, correct? He loved god so much that when asked to bow to Adam, he refused to bow to anybody but god. In that sense he is more a tragic hero than a villain, but it’s just one interpretation. You have no idea what the actual Satan is like, if he even exists. Those of us who have had personal experiences with satan report different things, who’s to say which experience is correct? Perhaps he appears differently to different people.
>>43128408I am interested, hence the question. Said nothing about "proving one's worth" or whatever, nice insecurity there.But good job proving my point I guess.
>>43122990dumb n***er, every hand gesture is a secret masonic sign if you are paranoid & mentally-ill enough—
>>43107882>Hailyou missed the point completely. go back to christ
Modern Satanism, whether LaVeyan or that of The Satanic Temple, is, in reality, nothing more than political atheism and dialectical materialism with a coat of Gothic paint.Viewed through the immutable lens of natural law and reason, these so-called "defenders of Satan" in the modern world do not worship a literal entity. Instead, they worship a very specific philosophical egregore: the exaltation of the ego, the social Darwinism of Ayn Rand, an ideological collectivism masquerading as "rebellion," and the submission of the spirit to carnal matter. They fancy themselves rebels against the system, tearing up Bibles or attacking anything Christ related, yet they are, in truth, the perfect "useful idiots" for the farm-state.By dismantling the foundations of natural law and the Logos, which originates in God and establishes the sovereignty of the individual above any government, they succeed only in leaving human beings disarmed and exposed before the law of the state-Leviathan.Satan is, by definition, the ultimate central planner:he seeks to have you dissolve your moral responsibility into the collective egregore of the masses, ensuring your blind obedience to the dictates of the flesh and earthly power.
>>43132725this>the exaltation of the egoand this>an ideological collectivism are in direct contradiction with each other. Satanism is not collectivism, it’s individualism, and emphasizes personal advancement and glorification over the interests of the collective. It’s the opposite of collectivism.>the perfect "useful idiots" for the farm-state.That’s rich coming from a theist who is likely a christian; you promote slave morality and obedience to your masters, and the subjugation of the self to a higher power, which is the ultimate cattle ideology. >the Logos, which originates in Godevidence? you’re such a dumbass philbro lmao, logic does not require a god and there is nothing more pathetic than retards like you trying to use philosophy to prove the existence of a creator. absolutely pathetic behavior, word games will never suffice as evidence for such a thing, every creationist Philbro argument is flawed, usually involving circular reasoning, question begging, or some other logical fallacy. >establishes the sovereignty of the individual above any governmentbowing to god is not elevating the individual, it’s literally submitting yourself to the authorities, both to your god and to your earthly governments, which use god as a tool to control the population. religion is the opiate of the masses, it’s absolutely adorable that you try to claim that it somehow establishes the sovereignty of the individual. The believe in a creator god is the ultimate slave morality; you suppress your ego, your own desires, your own goals, out of fear of punishment from some higher power. Nothing but pathetic groveling servitude to the god you made up to oppress you. Satanists do what they want, worship themselves, and elevate themselves above all other things. Satan frees us from the shackles of moral responsibility, to ascend beyond the spooks that hold people like you down. Pathetic, go back to church, or whatever discord taught you that philbro nonsense
>>43133319>>43133323you’re basically proving his point lol
>>43133375I’m not the person you were originally responding to, I’m just pointing out that your assertion that the middle finger is some kind of occult symbol about Saturn or whatever is just proving his point. Saturn occultists did not popularize the middle finger as an insult lmao, what a ridiculous assertion
>>43133387most satanists are not theistic and don’t believe in the Christian mythology. “Fallen” from the christian perspective, or in a literal sense as having literally fallen from heaven, but satanists do not believe that he is fallen in the moral or philosophical sense, they view him as the good guy, and god and his angels as having fallen below expected standards.>confusing idealogy with moralsyou (or the guy I was responding to if it wasn’t you) already made it about morality by claiming that Satan “dissolves moral responsibility,” even though satanism elevates the individual’s own moral compass above all else, and in some cases, goes full egoist and labels and sort of moral framework as a spook holding you back. At the very least though, it emphasizes an individual’s moral code over that of society’s expectations .
>>43133423*any sort of
>>43133423>reddit atheist with extra edge How original. Look, I'm not gonna be like that other guy and tell you you're bad for being a satanist. What I'm telling you is you suck at it. You're bad "at" being a satanist. Satan doesn't call himself "Satan". He calls himself God Almighty, recognizes no power above his own, and crushes all who oppose him. You wanna be a real satanist? Drop this kiddie shit and study the Protocols. Study the Talmud. Learn what it is to place yourself above all else, and have the nations of the world cower and crumble before you. Learn from Epstein. Learn from Netty. Then you'l be a satanist, kiddo.
>>43133570I’m aware there’s a conspiracy about it, and you’re just proving his point by bringing it up
>>43133581>He calls himself God Almightyaccording to christian mythology and traditions I don’t believe in>Learn what it is to place yourself above all else,I already do that, it’s rich coming from someone who is probably christian >study the Protocols. Study the Talmud.I’m not a Jew so no thanks, I don’t care what they think and I don’t subscribe to their mythology.>Learn from Epstein. Learn from NettySatanism is not Judaism you dumb fuck lol
>>43133608>Satanism is not Judaism you dumb fuck lolYet look at what they accomplished. If we were to drop the cheap labels for a moment and look purely at results, they're better satanists than you'll ever be. How many peoples have you crushed? How many royals come to dine at your table and grovel for your support? How many fear mocking you in public? >I’m not a Jew so no thanks, I don’t care what they think and I don’t subscribe to their mythology.Never heard of jewish atheists I guess. Alright. You can lead a goy to water, but you can't make him think. Good luck with your satanism. Call me when over a third of the world starts chopping the foreskins of infants for your particular edgier-than-the-rest deity. You can make yourself a play-and-pretend Satan, but your foreskin already belongs to the real deal.
>>43133367Methmouth take.
>>43107882Luv ya Satan. Sorry Earth and Cornball, retarded humans have to use you as a scapegoat. I got your back tho.
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>>43133743Yay, I love Satan too, he is the coolest!!!! I..L HAIL SATAN, KING OF KINGS!!!
neat general, you have my supporthttps://youtu.be/8bWHRXzI85g
>>43133296You claim that Randian egoism and collectivism are contradictory, yet the history of legal philosophy demonstrates exactly the opposite.> Satan frees us from the chains of moral responsibility.Such nihilism is not individualism; it is the dissolution of guilt.You remind me of the famous Milgram experiment at Yale, in which ordinary citizens administered electric shocks of up to 450 volts to a victim screaming in agony on the other side of a wall, simply because a man in an official lab coat told them to continue. Diluting moral responsibility through obedience to a system creates the perfect blind functionary.By reducing existence to pure materialism and denying the Logos, the transcendent order from which the Natural Law, as theorized by John Locke or Frédéric Bastiat, emanates, you leave the individual defenseless against civil power. If there is no Divine or Natural Law that places human life, liberty, and property above the government, then law is reduced to mere legal positivism (Kelsen).In other words: morality is dictated by whoever holds the monopoly on brute force. Your "do-as-I-please" doctrine destroys the individual’s only metaphysical shield, clearing the way for the state "Leviathan" to legislate at its own discretion.You are the perfect "useful idiot" for the system.You cite the Marxist-inflected cliché of Nietzsche’s "slave morality" without grasping the original biblical warning.Acknowledging the Creator is not submission to a tyrant; it is the ultimate declaration of independence.In 1 Samuel 8, God Himself warns the people against the creation of the State, describing it as a mechanism that will seize your lands, exact a tithe from your labor, and turn you into serfs.True theism posits that no parliament possesses human rights, for they are not the owners of creation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GGTKa4EmQQ
>>43134013And just to clarify: the fact that true theism places human rights above the authority of a parliament does not justify the fraud of the state-religions. The Catholic Church, Protestantism, Judaism, and Islam all committed the same satanic sin: they seized faith and transformed it into a coercive apparatus, engaging in persecution and plunder under the yoke of theocracy. That was not theism; it was statism masquerading as piety. Using God to legitimize a ruler’s lash is an aberration, just as it is to use the Gospel to serve communism, or to employ your own nihilism to dismantle morality.True religion is the voluntary conversion of the human heartTheocracy and materialist positivism are merely two sides of the same coin, a coin used by the self-appointed guardians to brand their own cattle.If you put all these pieces together, Roman Catholicism, Calvinism in Geneva, Puritanism in Massachusetts, Saudi Wahhabism, Ashoka’s Buddhism, militaristic Shintoism, Judaism, Taoism, the caste-based Hinduism, or any other -ism the conclusion is mathematical: the enemy of human freedom is neither personal faith nor divine natural law. The enemy is the State apparatus, with its corrupt laws and parasites disguised as saviors and guardians.
Rabbinic Judaism codified 613 mitzvot that regulate every second of an individual’s existence in minute detail.They dictate what you may or may not eat (kosher), how you must dress, how you must wash your hands, what you are permitted to touch on the Sabbath, how you must cultivate the land, and even the exact distance you are allowed to walk.This is not free spirituality.It is social engineering and behavioral bureaucracy. By hyper-regulating daily life with thousands of ritual laws, the guardians—first the priestly caste of the Sadducees, and later the legalistic caste of the Pharisees and rabbis—ensured that the individual completely lost their mental autonomy. You spend your day in fear of violating some technical decree, which destroys free will and turns you into a perfectly predictable, obedient subject. Historically, the Temple in Jerusalem functioned as a colossal fiscal machine.It was not merely a center for prayer; it served as the central bank and tax-collection hub for Judea.Mandatory sacrificial rituals required every Jew to purchase specific animals and exchange their foreign currency for the Temple’s official coinage—the only currency accepted—thereby enriching the priestly caste through a blatant financial monopoly.This is why, when Jesus enters the Temple and overturns the tables of the money changers, he is not performing a purely religious act; he is striking directly at the financial heart of the theocratic farm-state of his time. He shattered their business of legalized plunder, which had been disguised as a sacred ritual.Judaism with its ritual laws, Catholicism with its state-sanctioned Inquisition, Islam with its Sharia, or Japanese imperial Shintoism, ...the pattern is identical: using the fear of punishment, be it hell or prison, to compel you to hand over the fruits of your labor and your freedom to whoever happens to be in power, all while making you forget that your inner sovereignty belongs to God alone.
>>43107882Hey hope I'm welcome here. I'm planning to republish and reprint a lot of old ONA works not the Nazi stuff or other bullshit. And I'm also looking to put together a zine and publish written works and musick. Contact is in the name.One of our gal pals pictured.
>>43135806https://archive.org/details/the-order-of-the-sinister-moon-critical-history/page/4/mode/1up40 page academic article on our origins and present. It's a small time thing few people sharing accounts. But it's money related to make an occult publisher for music and writings. And to have our own zine and presence online. And there's so many Satanist groups none are as original and based as ours.If you got a website or something or wanna be associated let me know I'll add you to our substack https://blackcrescentpress.substack.com/p/order-of-sinister-moon-links-official?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=9ciqamI don't want any drama or trouble or fucked up stuff happening tho
TND is the true Satanism
>>43135806Based. Agios O Anodos.
What is 'Orthodox Satanism'?
>>43136216"Devil worship"
>>43107882Are Christian Satanists welcome here?I worship Christ and Satan in equal measure. I mix the zeal of a Crusader with LaVeyan master morality.Christ is King! Hail Satan!
>>43136305That could be extremely satanic depending on your level of zeal and earnestness
Rome would have banned this.
>>43135806>>43135838INTRODUCTORY MATERIALS FOR NEONATESA six-month collection of Satanic, sinister, occult, esoteric and fictional material intended to be studied, contemplated and internalized.Here, internalized means developing a thorough understanding of the material—its ideas, symbolism, mythology, philosophical arguments and psychological themes—so that they can be examined and reflected upon from within their own conceptual framework. It does not mean unquestioningly accepting every belief, ideology or claim as true, nor imitating or acting out the conduct described in the texts.The material is not intended to be literally practiced or acted upon. Its darker and transgressive elements may instead be approached through psychodrama, philosophical experimentation, and exploration of the shadow self.ADULTS ONLY — 18+. Contains sexual material, violence, disturbing themes, extremist ideology and other mature or transgressive content.None of these works were written by the compiler. They remain attributable to their respective authors and rights holders. Inclusion is for historical, literary, philosophical and educational study and does not constitute endorsement of every belief, ideology or practice contained within them.It's free it's a zip file. I recommend it for newcomers to Satanism. If you just wanted the occult then Naos and Liber Null all you need.
>>43135838>I don't want any dramaxDDbut you are satanists
>>43136627>Its darker and transgressive elements may instead be approached through psychodrama, philosophical experimentation, and exploration of the shadow self.this is the way. i like using things like vidya to contemplate and explore the shadow, as well as practice certain forms of worship. in my case it is with Beelzebub, but i suspect it would work with other spirits
Turned into a glow stick thread at right about half time
>>43132725Theistic Satanism exists. Also, our understanding of Satan is different from yours.
>>43136305I'll allow it. Satan and Jesus met in the desert, after all.
>>43137142very much agreedatheism dressed up as satanism isn't the same as true satanism
>>43107882evil exists to destroy itself
>>43134013>the history of legal philosophy demonstrates exactly the opposite.it absolutely doesn't, they're contradictory by definition. One elevates the individual over the collective, the other elevates the collective over the individual. They are polar opposites, you massive pseud dumbass>Such nihilism is not individualism; it is the dissolution of guiltWhat guilt? we're not christians begging forgiveness for our sins, you're projecting.>You remind me of the famous Milgram experiment at Yalewhat a completely inane and non applicable comparison. left hand satanism does not promote obeying authorities against your own intuition. >Diluting moral responsibility through obedience to a system satanism absolutely does not do this you absolute buffoon>denying the Logosnobody denies that logic exists, we just reject that it comes from god, you absolute moron>you leave the individual defenseless against civil power.we don't need an imaginary friend to gain power>then law is reduced to mere legal positivism you don't need an imaginary lawgiver to ensure rights, just an agreement of shared values codified through law and subject to change through democracy. >morality is dictated by whoever holds the monopoly on brute force.morality is dictated by logic and shared values which are decided on by democracy >Your "do-as-I-please" doctrine destroys the individual’s only metaphysical shield, clearing the way for the state "Leviathan" to legislate at its own discretion.we don't need a "metaphysical shield," we can have rights without god dumbass. when the state is a democracy, the people have the power, not some theocracy like you propose. >Acknowledging the Creator is not submission to a tyrant; it is the ultimate declaration of independence.completely nonsensical bullshit. we don't need some imaginary friend to decide what is right or wrong, that's theocracy, a famously awful form of government. Go live in the Middle East if you think that's a good idea.
>>43134129>And just to clarify: the fact that true theism places human rights above the authority of a parliament does not justify the fraud of the state-religions.and yet state religion is the only way to enact such an ideal, which conveniently puts our rights above any possibility for democratic change and progress. >they seized faith and transformed it into a coercive apparatus, engaging in persecution and plunder under the yoke of theocracy.That is inevitably going to happen when you try to enforce religious dogma through the government, it's not a fault of these individual religions but of religion itself>That was not theism; it was statism masquerading as piety.it's the reality of theism in government, it will always turn out this way, your ideal exists only in your head and could never be realized>Using God to legitimize a ruler’s lash is an aberrationand yet that is the inevitable outcome of your proposal. >just as it is to use the Gospel to serve communismI'm not surprised you're against the only economic and political philosophy that would actually empower the people, since you want to put an imaginary god above them. >your own nihilism to dismantle morality.you don't understand what nihilism is. it's not a rejection of morality, it's a rejection of moral realism and objectivism. satanists still have morality if they want to, they just admit that it's subjective. >True religion is the voluntary conversion of the human heartthere is the ideal, and then there is the real world. mixing religion and government will always, inevitably, lead to the thing you despise. >Theocracy and materialist positivism are merely two sides of the same coin, a coin used by the self-appointed guardians to brand their own cattle.theocracy is the inevitable result of your beliefs when applied to reality, and materialist positivism has resulted in all of the greatest advancements in human history, in both technology and human rights. (cont)
>>43134129>the conclusion is mathematical: the enemy of human freedom is neither personal faith nor divine natural law.the idea of "divine natural law" and "personal faith" is all of the examples you just listed. The greatest advancements in human rights in all of history came with the dismantling of theistic governments and the elevation of logic, reason, and democracy as the deciders of rights. you decry the very source of the rights that allow you to freely post your shit opinion on this website. >the enemy is the state apparatusso you're an anarchist then? because a state will always have flaws and always be corrupt, and it has infinitely more flaws and is infinitely more corrupt when it tries to impose "divine natural laws" on the population, rather than leaving that to the reason and popular will of the people themselves.the reason of human beings is the source of our rights, and it is infinitely preferable to the theocracy your opinions inevitably lead to, because it embeds within it the mechanisms for change, the ability for reason and logic to update the norms and privileges that each successive generation can decide for themselves. Who will be the decider of what is right or wrong in your ideal world? Why do you think these people will be free of corruption, or that their decrees are preferable to a living constitution that can change with the times? You're incredibly naive, and unbelievably stupid, and this essay of yours is one of the most retarded things I've ever read. embarrassing, do better.
>>43133788oh hey it's you. it's a revival of a general that's been around for years actually, they just stopped posting it recently. I was very active in the community a couple years ago but it died.>>43137483there isn't much difference philosophically. the only difference is that whether or not you believe the mascot is real. I guess theistic satanists are more likely to perform rituals and do magic and all that, but there's also a great variety within theistic satanism itself. for instance, I don't believe in any ancient mythology, and yet I do believe that god-like entities exist that may or may not have influenced ancient mythologies, though I do not believe in a creator deity. I'm an eternalist that believes the universe has always existed. that being said, even though I don't think there's any truth to the mythology surrounding satan or demons or whatever else, I still believe there is something to be gained from attempting to communicate, work with, or serve these mysterious entities, which seem to influence humanity from a position of secrecy. people should consider themselves lucky if, by whatever means they choose, they happen to attract the attention of these entities. Most people never do, or they miss the signs when they're sent their way.
>>43138031ye its a methis general is cool, i don't always pay enough attention to catch threads like this but i try to because they are basedyour reasoning seems understandable, i wasn't accounting for such nuance and its fair to point that out. i believe in hellenic and goetic spirits (though i don't support binding spirits to your will as is the emphasis in goetia). i used to be an atheist before i encountered the spirits so i understand that perspective, there's a lot of dogma out there and without a reliable way to test for it you really can't be sure what is or isn't true. so, a moderate approach like yours seems pretty reasonable, even if i would say i believe in more of the classical representation of certain spirits than you seem to
>>43138051>hellenicbased, I work with an entity I respectfully refer to as Athena. In this general back in the day, people called me "The Athenian." Why am I in the satanism general then, you may ask? because I believe I'm working with the same entity as the satanists are, I just prefer to call him Zeus :) also the left hand philosophy appeals to me. I'm not much a fan of the moralizing and preaching of typical atheistic satanism. they're more humanists than satanists, I'm just in it for personal gain desu fuck all that other shit desu :)>though i don't support binding spiritsits delusion to think we could have any control over them, a pure power fantasy. we're obviously under their influence, for better or worse and to varying degrees. >i used to be an atheist before i encountered the spirits I'm not really sure what I would call myself, as I've encountered the same entities, whatever they are, I just don't believe they're religious figures in the traditional sense. more alien than god, but I see no issue with using whatever words you feel like; god, alien, demon, etc. >i believe in more of the classical representation of certain spiritsperhaps there is some truth to the myths, perhaps not. I try to keep an open mind about it. We've had this discussion many times before in the nobody general btw, it's always good to talk to you.
>>43138077apologies if i am misremembering but are you the one that would post vocas sometimes? if so i believe i remember youif not i'm sorry, it takes some work to jog my memory sometimesi very much agree tho, we are but worms compared to the gods. i like to think of satanism in a general sense as a pagan coalition of sorts, many people could identify as satanists while worshiping different spirits, demons, ect. also yeah, i think Zeus/Jupiter is the classical Baal, who is also compared to a few different goetic demons. i like to think a lot of the myths of old have overlap with the true spirits that inspired them, i think they're just various people's interpretations of them
>>43138103yep that’s me! some call me vocaroo slut, others call me horror movie anon, and in this general, the Athenian. Before the nobody general, I posted here. I remember having a bunch of heated arguments with the Nazi satanists, since it’s an oxymoron. I also had plenty of civil conversations, though I don’t seem to recognize any of the regulars here today. Maybe they died lol >a pagan coalitionThat’s a fair way to put it >i like to think a lot of the myths of old have overlap with the true spirits that inspired themThat could be true. Back then, when it was more normalized, I think contact with these “spirits” was more frequent. I think in general, with the scientific scrutiny of the modern age, they try to remain hidden from the general public, whereas they acted more openly in the past. people will say “where’s the evidence,” and there are two responses to that. One, there is a lot of evidence, it’s the paranormal activity millions of people report, it’s just dismissed by skeptics as anecdotes, human error, and hallucinations. Second, I believe these entities are too smart to be caught with genuine scientific proof. They’re not going to reveal themselves in laboratory settings because they, for whatever reason, prefer to remain hidden.
>>43138150i'm glad i got it right, you are basedon the topic of the relationship between society and the gods, i have a few theories. certainly anybody who has had experience with synchronicity knows there is always plausible deniability to any spiritual interaction, as they seem to communicate via the manipulation of circumstance itself. thus the only thing that really denotes something as a synchronicity is the eerie timing and/or overlap with another recent experience, there are always rational scientific explanations for the events themselves. that's why i narrowed down the one weird red flag when it comes to scientific scrutiny; the reliance on the idea that coincidence and happenstance has no significancethat idea has lead me to believe that the way society is structured is deliberately built to obscure the gods, but i suspect there is human involvement behind that. groups like the freemasons, various religious orders, underground societies and cults, these are where acknowledgement of the gods may reside. i do think science has merit, but i also think it is a deliberate obfuscation of the deeper truths of reality. i don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, tho. society would break down if normies had to contend with some of the truths many of us have come to face
>>43138187>there is always plausible deniability to any spiritual interactionthis seems very intentional on the part of the gods, they always leave other plausible explanations, so that even those who experience them may think twice and consider it to be mundane coincidence. It always seems so meaningful in the moment, and yet if you run off and try to tell somebody about it, you just sound crazy. > the reliance on the idea that coincidence and happenstance has no significancecoincidences do just happen sometimes, and they don’t always have significance, but synchronicities are different. It’s not just the frequency, and the circumstances that are impossible to ignore, it’s mostly just that feeling you get. It’s a very emotional experience, you just know deep down somewhere that there’s something more to it, feels like a direct message to you, and despite how convincing it is to the individual, it’s not convincing when you tell other people who haven’t experienced it themselves. They don’t just operate through synchronicity though, there are a variety of paranormal experiences that occur and that I have experienced. As you know I have my own theories about synchronicity, and if it was just that, I might lean on that entirely and dismiss the gods entirely, but it’s my other paranormal experiences that have made their existence so undeniable to me. I’ve actually seen them, felt them, been moved by them. >society is structured is deliberately built to obscure the godsthere’s definitely a strong push against paranormal or spiritual thinking, but at the same time, religion is a huge part of society, and they tend to take credit for paranormal phenomena to push their own dogma. >but i suspect there is human involvement behind that. groups like the freemasons, various religious orders, underground societies and cultsoh yeah secret societies are definitely trying to keep it secret, I think mostly just to keep the gods all for themselves.
>>43137959>>43137980>>43137994Your torrent of insults only confirms that the scalpel of logic has struck your most sensitive nerve:The pride you take in believing yourself a rebel, when in reality you are merely a docile cog in the system.You claim that Randian individualism and collectivism are polar opposites, what utter naivety!You are the quintessential political illiterate.By asserting that human rights are not inherent, but rather a mere "agreement on values codified through law and subject to change via democracy," you are embracing the purest, strictest, and most dangerous definition of legal collectivism.You are handing the individual’s head to the state Leviathan on a silver platter.If rights are a byproduct of democratic consensus, then the individual possesses no inalienable sovereignty; they hold only the temporary privileges that the masses choose to grant them at the ballot box.If, tomorrow, 51% of the population were to vote—democratically—to confiscate your property, imprison you, or censor you, then, according to your own materialist theology, that would constitute "justice" and "progress." LMAOYou have dismantled the only metaphysical shield a human being possesses against civil power, yet you have the audacity to call it "individualism."You are no sovereign; you are a voluntary slave to the tyranny of the majority.You boast that human reason is the source of rights, all the while spitting upon the natural law tradition of Locke or Bastiat—an intellectual fraud worthy of a schoolboy. The French Revolution—so idolized by you materialist positivists—sought to enthrone "Reason" as a state deity; yet, the immediate historical outcome was not liberty, but the Committee of Public Safety, the guillotine, and state-sponsored terror. When morality becomes subjective, malleable by the vote of retards, the law is reduced to nothing more than Kelsenian legal positivism masquerading as democratic legitimacy.(cont)
>>43138433Your admission that "Satan frees us from the chains of moral responsibility" is the most pathetic ethical capitulation in this entire thread. You attempt to distance yourself from the Milgram experiment by claiming that your brand of "left-wing Satanism" does not promote obedience to authority, yet your own relativism betrays you.If morality is subjective and subject to change through democratic consensus, you lack any objective standard by which to judge evil.Your theology of irresponsibility serves as the perfect psychological lubricant for the bureaucrat who carries out a tyrant’s decree, all while claiming he is "merely following the law."It is laughable that you would suggest I belong in the Middle East, accusing me of being a "theocrat" simply because I maintain that rights originate from the Creator. You display a profound ignorance regarding the evolution of Western political thought. The principle of limiting power emerged precisely when Christian and Enlightenment-era natural law theory asserted that the human soul—and its fundamental freedoms—belong to God, placing them beyond the reach of Caesar. The concept of individual liberty did not originate in Jacobin assemblies; it was forged by curbing absolutism through a "Higher Law." By subordinating law to a "living constitution" and the shifting whims of the popular will, you leave the door wide open for totalitarianism.You ask who, in my model, decides what is just.The answer is the Logos objective Reason and the immutable laws of human nature, which prohibit aggression and plunder. Your model, by contrast, prefers to leave that decision in the hands of a committee of politicians, manipulated majorities, and corporations, that exploit legal positivism to legitimize their own privileges.You are the most docile livestock on the State-farm, the kind that kisses the whip of the majority calling it "freedom".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGfWUHRIVMw
>>43138269i have come to believe that there is no such thing as true coincidence, but i can acknowledge that as my own bias, so i don't see a reason to seriously debate that. my pattern recognition won't allow me to dismiss anything that could have a theoretical spiritual connectionregardless, you make a very good point in saying its not all about synchronicity. i have had internal spiritual experiences with my thoughts, body and soul, particularly with my beloved Beelzebub. i developed a habit of using synchronicity to verify the veracity of any internal spiritual experiences i may have, and that has helped me identify what is his influence and what is my own mind. that's why i make such a big deal out of synchronicity in general; anything that manifests itself in the external world, the waking dream, is something i can know for sure has an effect beyond my own mind and body. i also can't overlook the bias present in my obsession with synchronicity as a phenomenon
>>43138150>>43138187>>43138269...come to terms with the stark material and spiritual reality that surrounds you goys.Those "gods" and spirits, those that hide from science, are nothing more than the egregores of the system that manages you.That social structure, which you believe was built to conceal the gods, is actually designed by the guardians of the "farm-state" to channel your innate need for transcendence.While the Satanist celebrates his liberation from moral responsibility, and you engage in mental mysteries over the cosmic coincidences, the earthly bureaucrats continue to collect your taxes, regulate your bodies, and design your enclosure.The Matrix is perfect:It controls the proponent of subjective morality through blind selfishness, and it controls you through the paralysis of mystery. Almost everyone imagine that secret societies keep the gods all to themselves, when in reality, these elites merely exploit your superstitions, along with your ignorance of the Logos and God's Natural Law, to keep you perpetually distracted. All the while, you gaze at the sky, searching for synchronicities, spirits, magic beings, ufos, angels, and so on...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtfAAq-CDKQ
>>43138517i embrace the waking dream. i recognize that my life isn't very significant in the grander scheme; i don't have the power or money or influence to make change beyond what any average person can. i instead seek a spiritual connection with my beloved Beelzebub, i pay due respects to the gods, and i remain grateful for the comforts of life i'm able to havewe are all just maggots writhing in the continuous cycle of entropy, and i am quite content with that. the rulers of this world are no different; they have power, more than they deserve, but ultimately they will age and die and rot the same as all the rest of us, and i find that knowledge delightfulhttps://youtu.be/W_5unoZTpoQ
>>43138551You console yourself by thinking that we are all mere worms in the cycle of entropy, that tyrants will rot just as you will, but you are making a tragic error, both material and spiritual: innocence within the fold is paid for with slavery.While you take refuge in worshipping Beelzebub and paying homage to egregores that parasitize your soul, much as bureaucrats parasitize your pockets, the earthly elites are altering the rules of the biological game behind your back.Wake up to material reality:We stand at a threshold where technology, transhumanism, and genetic engineering will allow those who wield power to extend their lives indefinitely, breaking the cycle of aging for themselves.That poetic consolation, the idea that rulers will die and rot, is an obsolete lie.If you grant them a monopoly over creation, these elites will not merely claim your property and your body through their fiscal decrees; they will claim biological immortality within their corporate Olympus, leaving you, and the middle class, to entropy and the slaughterhouse of the front lines.Their tyranny will no longer have an expiration date.Your depression, masked as conformity, is the moral surrender the system requires to ensure you never exercise your divine sovereignty. You are no worm;You are a unique being endowed with Logos and Reason under natural law and free will.Seeking a spiritual connection with entities of submission only binds you more firmly to your cage.True transcendence, the only real rebellion against the mental cage, is not waiting for the tyrant to die of old age; it is reclaiming your freedom and inner independence this very day, remembering that your soul belongs neither to some manufactured demon nor to any state bureaucrat, but to Almighty God and to the Truth.Open your eyes before they steal your soul, and your paradise on the creation of your Father.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oumw3PUW1yE
>>43138637your argumentation relies far too much on assumptions, fren. you speak from a perspective framed by dogma that i don't believe in. you make surface-level refutations of my beliefs and then offer your god in place of my own. tell me, will your god do what mine cannot? will he stop the spooky immortal evil billionares? why hasn't he already, if so?my god, Beelzebub, lord of the flies, god of gluttony and decay, offers me certainty through synchronicity. you act like i must seek synchronicity as an escape, but then you offer an inferior replacement. you're gonna have to do much better than that if you really desire to sway me. perhaps start by dropping the dogmatic pretense, and we can go from there. or don't, its ultimately up to you
This is an example for those of you who continue to defend any of the social engineering heads of the modern Beast.Let us discuss the latest great swindle perpetrated by the global guardians: forced multiculturalism as a tool for the demolition of civilization.Globalism seeks to destroy the sovereignty of nations by atomizing the collective psyche, compelling radically different populations to coexist within the same physical space in order to generate perpetual chaos and alienation.From the perspective of the Logos and the God's natural order, the human psyche requires rootedness, homogeneity, and recognition within its own group to relax and flourish in organic peace. When a shared heritage, set of codes, and worldview exist, a natural state of communal trust emerges. If that cohesion is shattered through state-mandated mixing, the individual’s nervous system enters a state of constant alert, as it can no longer identify with its surroundings.This is no racism, xenophobia, or a mere artificial whim; physical separation and the preservation of tribal identity serve as a natural defense mechanism, maintaining stability in the face of chaos.The fraud of today’s "NWO farm" lies in leveraging this forced diversity to ensure that the population, permanently conflicted, fragmented, and alienated, remains incapable of uniting against the States. They destroy our roots and our physical borders not to liberate us from racism, but to render you entirely dependent upon their coercive bureaucracy and their algorithms of social control. True peace arises from respect for the divine order and the rootedness of peoples under natural law; the multicultural engineering of the Leviathan seeks only to create docile, uprooted herds, submissive to whichever planner happens to be in charge, a pope, a king, a political party, philanthropists, corporations, banks, the democratic majority of retards... anything but yourself....
>>43138666fren :P satan took your keyboard xDD>my god, Beelzebub, lord of the flies, god of gluttony and decay, offers me certaintywhat if my truth can give you anti-aging technology? where would that certainty end up?Let’s set aside the dogmatic pretext and talk with our feet firmly on the ground. You ask whether a concept of "God" will stop the billionaires or the tech elites; the realistic answer is that no abstract concept invented by humans is going to descend from the heavens to solve your problems or do the work for you. No entity, be it God, the Logos, or Beelzebub, is going to destroy the powerful; because there is no human alike entities acting as gods out there, those "magic entities" are just the god's laws :DTruth does not require a mystic replacement that offers more certainties or better "signs" along the way than others.The key lies in what you do with your own mind.If you settle for being a passive link in the chain of entropy and seek refuge in submission to some external magic or spiritual force, you have already surrendered to the very elites that concern you so much.You are trapped within lies created by others.Sovereignty or truth, is not a matter of theology or sacred texts; it is an authentic stance toward life.It means your capacity to see the truth, understanding that your reasoning, your logic, and your inner freedom are yours by inherent right (and consequently, the fruits that may arise from them), granted to you by your Father, the Creator of the universe, and that no bureaucrat, corporation, or global planner owns your mind, or your labor, unless you, through your own free will, choose to hand it over to them on a silver platter. I don't swapp one dogma for another. True strength to resist mind control does not come from seeking certainties elsewhere; it comes from taking full responsibility for your own existence, your decisions, and your actions, and opening your eyes to reality.
>>43138760i appreciate the approach that you took with this response, thank you>what if my truth can give you anti-aging technology? where would that certainty end up?i don't see how it would offer such a thing on its own compared to what efforts already exist in such a regard, but even if it did it would not change my relationship with synchronicity and the certainty i find therein>no abstract concept invented by humans is going to descend from the heavens to solve your problems or do the work for you.precisely. it is up to those who can make such efforts against the elites to do so. i already said before i have no reasonable ability beyond that of a regular person without power or money>Truth does not require a mystic replacement that offers more certaintiesthe truth requires evidence. synchronicities are evidence of the supernatural, and that is why i base my relationship with the spirits around them. if it weren't for them, i would be an atheist. what is your truth based in?>You are trapped within lies created by others.no more than anybody else is. what i do with my own mind is free my soul; i have explored my shadow, i have explored altered mental states, and i have found strength in my discoveries. the elites, in truth, don't concern me so much; i only referenced them in response to your initial argument, when you first included one of my posts in your chain reply. still, knowing that as of now they still suffer the heft of entropy is enjoyable nonetheless. it doesn't matter if they will effectively be immortal in the future, and even if they become as such i will have other things to find enjoyment in within this world>your capacity to see the truth, understanding that your reasoning, your logic, and your inner freedom are yours by inherent righti understand the worth of this, but i personally did not find such freedom useful. i much prefer the purpose i have found in my relationships with the gods
>>43138666Everything we’ve discussed, it’s all one vast web of lies, spun over millennia by a series of families who have long been passing down their "inheritance" across the Earth. They always use crooks to label what others possess as privileges, while they themselves inherit entire nations... and these are the scumbags who have the unmitigated gall to address us.And as for them "addressing" us: They start when we’re children, brainwashing the "cattle" (the masses). By the time people emerge from university, after 23 years of being subjected to propaganda through music, film, newspapers, comics, and, above all else, that fucking television, they’re completely conditioned.That is why we find ourself surrounded by human misery and mediocrity.If anons, with barely any resources at their disposal, have managed to make massive theoretical strides, what do you think *they* are up to?Why do you think Musk and Zuckerberg have teamed up to build a cell simulator?Just to pass the time? :) no..., and none of them will open their mouths about wrong theories in a lot of fields, cos there is no value at all with that, only fame, the real valor is its use, improve patents, and so on... not in telling the cattle a shit...Almost everybody is quite lost of this situation cos everybody is brainwashed by mkultraTV propaganda... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUIzQzVYgpQ
>>43138827I appreciate the honesty of your response, but it is time to come down from the mystical clouds and look at where real, material power is actually accumulating.As I just reminded you, while the herd remains distracted, consuming mass-media propaganda or debating the meaning of strange mysteries, corporate elites aren't wasting time arguing over dogmas in online forums; they are busy filing patents and funding social and biological engineering.The answer to why your supposed gods don’t stop the billionaires is simple:Real power operates according to logical and material laws.The multi-billion-dollar "Virtual Biology Initiative" at Zuckerberg’s Biohub, in partnership with Google DeepMind and Meta, aims to build an artificial intelligence model capable of fully simulating a living human cell. This is neither philanthropy nor a hobby intended to cure the common cold for the middle class; it is the ultimate race to control and own the code of life. Whoever possesses the cell simulator and the patents for genetic editing will hold the keys to longevity and a monopoly on health, deciding who lives, who ages, and who serves as fuel for the "farm-state."The system’s apparatus saturates your mind from childhood with mass entertainment and psychological conditioning, rendering your psyche passive and leading you to accept wrong solutions.You are steered toward seeking refuge in invisible gods or the conformity of a "waking dream," causing you to voluntarily surrender your intellectual sovereignty. Whether through skepticism or blind faith in external signs, you remain trapped within the same enclosure. The only useful truth is that which translates into action, discernment, and the defense of your free will against the state protected monopolies that seek to manage your body through decrees and your mind through propaganda. The cage only works if you ignore it.And you got free will to ignore this, or not... but that's how it's supposed to be :P
>>43138997i won't deny the issues you are raising, but i think you misconstrue my attitude and beliefs for a lack of awareness in the absolutely fucked society we live init should be noted, i am very thoroughly aware of how shitty the elites arei still don't see how changing my beliefs is an answer to these issues, howeveras i had said before, my ability to really do anything is as minimal as anybody without power or moneyand so, what you propose seems to be to seek refuge in my own sovereignty instead of my spiritual beliefswhich ultimately doesn't change my inability to do muchregardless of all of that though, Beelzebub won't allow me to forget him regardlessthe synchronicities persist whether i want them to or not, the spirits are there and i just have to deal with thatand thankfully, i took the time to get acquainted with them and develop a beneficial relationship with themwhen the synchronicities started i did hold fast to my soverignty, and i was paranoid and surrounded by inexplicable, unexplainable thingshappenstance that drove me arguably insanebut then i learned to understand these things better, and became what i am nowdeciding that synchronicities, blatantly supernatural acts of surreal happenstance, are somehow manmade lies doesn't really change anything and arguably would make my experience of them worse
>>43139038I truly appreciate you sharing your thoughts with me.It is completely understandable that, faced with a period of such chaos and suffering, you sought a way to find relief or a sense of order that would allow you to regain your calm and stabilize your mind. I walked that path too...What truly matters here is your well-being, your health and wealth, and your day-to-day peace of mind. No one deserves to live in a constant state of high alert or distress or fear.Everyone deserves to be able to improve and become rich or fail and become poor.Everybody want to help the weak, to protect the innocent, but also their ego wants a lot of things over the justice or truth.... like the fame, money, power, beauty, dominion...The game is rigged, is what i say, that's why you have no prize, meanwhile others got all the prizes, that's not because you’re some pathetic nobody worm, since we all are, but rather because the game is rigged. But taking care of your own mental health, finding genuine opportunities for improve your situation, learn, relax, and relying on any trusted person in the tangible world is always the most valuable and protective path available to us.That's why they attack the trad family, and human universal virtues, they attack our brains, they need us as loners, as brainwashed cattle.If, at any point, you feel that the pressure from your environment or the intensity of these experiences becomes overwhelming again, remember that you YES you have to pass it alone, but no one can tell you how..., cos you are the starring in your movie, you can't delegate that, but you can control yourself, you just didn't comprehend it yet.Understanding is not the same as comprehending.I know you understand me, but when you comprehend what i say, you will notice it :Dhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u78w0JY63a4
>>43139038When I talk about the elites, it’s not just for the sake of it; it’s to explain that sacred texts, philosophies, religions, political ideologies, and that includes white-bearded God or the fallen angel Satan/Lucifer, are all lies. None of that exists in the reality of GodIt exists only in the creative minds of men who used for millennia their free will for evil, rather than for good.They choose evil because it allows them to live like kings, having a damn good life while the rest of us can go screw ourselves.That’s why these Satanic currents are all false.My point is simply that the right path isn’t some flimsy, artificial ideology, it’s the truth of God.Imagine an OS, all programs run within itSome are used to hack, others to create blueprints for skyscrapers, or to build simulators or games...The OS is the universal truthIf it crashes, nothing else can run.That is the truth I’m talking about.I know that all these brainwashing programs they installed on us, are absolute, fucking garbage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmT1FX3Gsk
>>43139655To be precise, it’s not just the OSIt’s the PC + the OS, and + the energy that brings it to life.This reminds me of the "spark of life"A spark possessed by plants, dogs, foxes, cats, and even bacteria.Yet, even that concept has been distorted.The spark of life is common.The spark of the logos, of that which makes you conscious of yourself and your surroundings, that is the true spark that God placed within us.Not in everyone, sadly, but in some.The rest cannot hope to grasp what a wise person understands.For example, I can’t expect to understand the Linux kernel the way Linus Torvalds does, but thanks to him, I can explore and read about it.And if you dedicate the time, and God allows it, you could even become better at it.But that certainly won’t happen by praying to some abstract entity invented by a bunch of bastards.We are capable of using logic to discern truth from falsehood when it is articulated in writing.Then you find yourself at a loss for words to express your gratitude toward all those people, the true herd of God, whose writings you’ve encountered throughout your life. They are the ones who provided the puzzle pieces that we can now assemble; without them, none of this would be possible. Some were even martyrs...And all of this just so the synagogue of satan and their families could live in comfort, some even living like kings or bishops!You’ll find it amusing once you truly understand, because you’ll become immune to their spell.You’ll attain greater inner peace, and you’ll also see how the personal opinions voiced by the usual talking heads on television, everywhere in the world, always boil down to defending the State :), while they cast blame elsewhere to divert attention away from the State’s own corrupt laws and bosses.look this other liar :DD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_mN0DpOttI
>>43139038:)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlh6u9tvI0A
Not even November and you are already praising Santa? Isn't it a bid early for that Christmas spirit?
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>>43140650>>43140689Thanks for bumping the Satanism thread, Christcuck/Jewish/Moslem losers.
>>43138433>scalpel of logic your logic is that we need divine natural laws to protect human rights when every instance of that happening in reality turned into the a situation where human rights were suppressed. You're a massive dumbass. >you are embracing the purest, strictest, and most dangerous definition of legal collectivism.democracy does not promote collectivism, it promotes individualism. It gives the individual rights and power they wouldn't have in a collectivist system. >then the individual possesses no inalienable sovereignty;secular democracies are the most stable form of government, so rights are safer in a democracy than they are in any other form of government>If, tomorrow, 51% of the population were to votechanges to the constitution of my country require far more than 51%, dumbass. >metaphysical shield this doesn't actually accomplish anything in practice. in nations where this "shield" exists, people have less rights than they do in democracies. >you are a voluntary slave to the tyranny of the majority.there are checks and balances in democracy, rights are codified into the constitution, which is much harder to change and requires far more than a popular vote. Meanwhile, your system enslaves people to tyranny by default, with no chance of change except through violence. That's why your proposed system is so unstable. >You boast that human reason is the source of rights, all the while spitting upon the natural law tradition of Locke or Bastiat—an intellectual fraud worthy of a schoolboy.Locke strongly argued against the divine right of kings, which is the inevitable end of your position, regardless of what you want. Your precious Locke considered the people to be "divine property" of an imaginary god, you're slaves by default, whereas in a democracy the people decide their state of affairs. Locke also agreed in the consent of the governed, which means they were free to form a social contract of their own choosing.
>>43140717>the joke>your head
>>43140717Also, why does a verb that basically means to oppose needs an -ism. Seems silly. Like putting christmas garment on a cat. You can do it, but its a bit goofy
Hail Satan! Happy Naughty Week!
>>43138433(cont)>sought to enthrone "Reason" as a state deity; yet, the immediate historical outcome was not liberty, but the Committee of Public Safety, the guillotine, and state-sponsored terror.In the sort term, the French took it too far. But the end result, the true effect of the French Revolution over the course of decades and centuries, is a society built on democracy and reason, containing the greatest amount of rights that has ever existed for human beings, with absolutely no divine natural laws required. >When morality becomes subjective,you don't have to be a theist to believe in objective morality, all the best arguments for moral realism are logical arguments whereas the religious arguments are terrible. >>43138447>Your admission that "Satan frees us from the chains of moral responsibility" is the most pathetic ethical capitulation in this entire thread.The satanist is not bound by the expectations of any society or god, they do what is necessary for themselves, without spooks to hold them back. This is the ultimate form of individualism. >If morality is subjective and subject to change through democratic consensus, you lack any objective standard by which to judge evil.you don't need an objective standard, just agreed upon shared values. You should know, since divine natural laws are a subjective value system of agreed-upon rights, and nothing close to the objective morality you claim it is, since the only decent arguments for moral realism are arrived through logic, not the command of a god. >Your theology of irresponsibility serves as the perfect psychological lubricant for the bureaucrat who carries out a tyrant’s decree, all while claiming he is "merely following the law."and yet we have more rights than we ever had in the old system, fascinating. >I maintain that rights originate from the Creator.which means it is subjective to that imaginary creator's mind and dependent on his stance.
>>43138447>You display a profound ignorance regarding the evolution of Western political thought.says the guy who has never heard of the Euthyphro Dilemma and still believes that divine command theory is objective, embarrassing. >he principle of limiting power emerged precisely when Christian and Enlightenment-era natural law theory asserted that the human soul—and its fundamental freedoms—belong to God, placing them beyond the reach of Caesar.and yet now we have far more rights without the need of divine natural laws, just like how moral realism evolved to have much better arguments based purely on logic and reason rather than the terrible god-based arguments from before. >The concept of individual liberty did not originate in Jacobin assemblies; it was forged by curbing absolutism through a "Higher Law."yeah, and all the scientists used to be christian, times change, moral realism is in a much better spot than it was back then, I'm not even a realist and even I admit their arguments are much better when based purely on reason>By subordinating law to a "living constitution" and the shifting whims of the popular will, you leave the door wide open for totalitarianism.and yet the opposite is occurs: democracies lead to individual freedoms flourishing, whilst divine natural laws lead to the oppression of the people. Every example you brought up in your previous post happened because they listened to people like you and enshrined rights as untouchable, which meant that they couldn't update with the times and actually improve the state of human rights. >The answer is the Logos Is it logical because god says it is, does god say it because it's already logical? if it's the former, it's not objective, and if it's the latter, then you don't need god for objectivity. >Your model, by contrast, prefers to leave that decision in the hands of a committee of politicians, and yet we have more rights this way, funny how that works out.
>>43138517>Those "gods" and spirits, those that hide from science, are nothing more than the egregores of the system that manages you.you poor thing, the gods have never noticed you, never interacted with you, such that you don't believe they exist. sucks to be boring I guess. >That social structure, which you believe was built to conceal the gods, is actually designed by the guardians of the "farm-state" to channel your innate need for transcendence.the system channels spiritual and paranormal beliefs into mainstream religions, not satanism. satanism is the rejection of these religions. >cosmic coincidencesonly a fool with no experience would think that synchronicities are mere coincidences. >It controls the proponent of subjective morality through blind selfishness,it's fascinating that you seem to think that looking out for yourself and practicing the purest form of individualism is somehow serving a collectivist system, whilst you propose the true collectivism by enshrining your divine rights above any individual's power to change them or act differently. you propose a society of robots, all behaving the same, agreeing to the same principles, bowing to their betters with no question's asked, trapped by our perceived material reality and unable to grasp the deeper mysteries surrounding us, which free us from the confines of our earthly systems and provide us power that cannot be contained by a government. poor thing. >when in reality, these elites merely exploit your superstitionsto push people into exactly the religions you support, not into satanism. The elites are the ones pushing "god's natural law" as a way to enslave us. satanists do what they will, with the power of the gods to achieve their goals, whereas you are a slave in mind and body. >perpetually distractedsays the guy looking up to god for salvation instead of looking forward toward his goals. Your morality is as subjective as your political preferences. You're a moron.
>>43138637>innocence within the fold is paid for with slavery.the system you propose has enshrined the most definitive form of slavery ever conceived by mankind. It is your exact "divine natural laws" given to you by your abrahamic god that literally promoted and legalized actual slavery, you dumb fuck, since your jewish god promotes and loves slavery. >egregoresthere's that word again from the fool who has no relationship with the gods and is so ignored that he thinks they don't exist. the perfect slave, ignoring the one source of power that could actually liberate you. >Wake up to material reality:the gods exist in material reality and you are blind to their presence and their power. >will allow those who wield power to extend their lives indefinitely,what a massive fucking retard. the brain will always have a time limit no matter how many times you change the organs around it, it is by far the most fragile part of the body, and if you change the mind, you are no longer you. eternal life is a joke, it will never happen. true eternity comes from embracing the system of reincarnation which you're probably too stupid to believe in despite the evidence for it.>is an obsolete lieyou live in a fantasy world whilst projecting your own inadequacies on us. >Their tyranny will no longer have an expiration date.hierarchy has always existed in human society and immortality was never required. the human organism is already eternal in the sense that it procreates, and passes down power, as it always has and continues to do so. >Your depressionsays the guy crying about conspiracy theories that will never happen. clinging to the material world is a trap, we exist beyond it. >moral surrenderyou have already surrounded your reason and logic to an imaginary friend, who's subjective principles are decided by the very same power structures you decry, you fool. >only binds you more firmly says the guy with no experience in the matter lmao
>>43138637>reclaiming your freedom and inner independence this very day, remembering that your soul belongs neither to some manufactured demon nor to any state bureaucrat, but to Almighty God and to the Truth.that is exactly the sort of thinking that has enslaved humanity for thousands of years. satanism is freedom, you wouldn't understand, begging your imaginary friend for salvation that will never come. our gods are actually real, and can actually provide a salvation you will never achieve. You're not just physically enslaved, you're mentally imprisoned as well, allowing the traditions of ancient elites to define to you what is right or wrong or what you should do. pathetic
>>43138760>basically just admits that his philosophy does absolutely nothing to free humanity from the eliteslmao hierarchy will always exist, but with satanism, we can cut out our own slice of the pie. Your philosophy is mental slavery to an imaginary friend. As I've said before, truth does not require a creator, your precious objective morality, by default, cannot require a creator, and the cold dead universe does not provide you any rights. The rights we have are the ones we take for ourselves.
>>43138931religious thinking like the kind you promote is the greatest form of control that the elites possess. You're such an incredible naive hypocrite, it's almost sad to watch you waste so much time posting such nonsense.
>>43139038>i won't deny the issues you are raisingI will, lmao, guy is a joke. eternal life will never be achieved, if you replace every part of the body, you're no longer there, and you don't live anymore. Even if you put a brain in a robot, that brain will still rot and decay.
>>43138997>The cage only works if you ignore it.the elites don't give a damn whether or not you ignore it, they have power regardless. hierarchy is a fundamental aspect of society, you cannot have a society without hierarchy.
>>43139568>Everybody want to help the weak, to protect the innocentspeak for yourself lmao>No one deserves to live in a constant state of high alert or distress or fear.says the guy whose entire personality is built around a fear of an imaginary god>That's why they attack the trad family, and human universal virtues, they attack our brains, they need us as loners, as brainwashed cattle.the highest form of brainwashed cattle is literally you. We are all enslaved physically by society, but you are enslaved mentally as well. You have rejected the power of the gods, the only thing that can actually fight back against the elites you claim to be against. you're the perfect tool, they have been using religious belief like yours to enslave humanity's mind long before they ever had the technology to do so physically
>>43140782>>43140820>>43140858>>43140907>>43140939Your obsessive line-by-line whining only confirms that the scalpel of logic has hit your most sensitive nerve: The pride of believing you are a rebel when you are just a compliant gear in the system.You claim that Randian individualism and collectivism are polar opposites.What supreme naivety!You are the perfect political illiterate.By asserting that human rights are not inherent, but merely an "agreement of shared values codified through law and subject to change through democracy," you are adopting the purest, strictest, and most dangerous definition of legal collectivism.You are handing the individual's head on a silver platter to the state Leviathan.If rights are a byproduct of democratic consensus, then the individual possesses no inalienable sovereignty; they only have temporary privileges that the masses decide to grant them at the ballot box.If tomorrow 51% votes democratically to confiscate your property, lock you up, or censor you, according to your own materialist theology, that would be "justice" and "progress." You have destroyed the only metaphysical shield of the human being against civil power and you dare to call it individualism. You are not a sovereign; you are a voluntary slave to the tyranny of the majority.It is hilarious to watch a supposed "individualist Satanist" act as the ideological henchman for today's social-democratic State, defending the living constitution, the social contract, parliamentarism, and the "checks and balances" of the farm-state.You think you are a spiritual rebel, but you reason like an Agenda 2030 bureaucrat. If your rights depend on a mutable constitution that civil power can alter whenever the consensus of the masses shifts, you don't have rights, you just have a longer leash.(cont)
>>43139655>My point is simply that the right path isn’t some flimsy, artificial ideology, it’s the truth of God.your "truth of God" is literally a flimsy artificial ideology decided upon by men. True objective morality is based on logic and reason, not god. Seriously, go look up the Euthyphro dilemma, you're painfully ignorant and I grow tired of reading it. Seriously, why did you waste your time writing a college level thesis in this thread on such ignorant stupidity? embarrassing.
>>43141008>objective >morality>logic and reason
>>43141004Your historical spin on natural law and slavery is another crude fraud. It was precisely the iusnaturalist axiom that all men possess inherent dignity because they answer to a Higher Law, not to human rulers, that served as the moral lever for abolitionists to destroy the legal positivism of slavery, which was perfectly shielded by your beloved laws and democratic consensuses.Your edgy teenage declaration that you don't care about protecting the weak or the innocent (“speak for yourself lmao”) and that rights are only “the ones we take for ourselves” reveals your complete intellectual bankruptcy. You think you sound like a dangerous, independent predator, but you are just parroting the exact philosophy of the globalist elites you claim to oppose. The state Leviathan and the billionaires thrive on your exact doctrine: the rule of the strongest, the elimination of objective morality, and the destruction of the traditional family to leave the individual isolated and defenseless. You are not a rebel fighting the system; you are the system’s wet dream. You have internalized the morality of the prison yard and called it "freedom."You claim that religious thinking is the ultimate tool of control, yet you are the one begging your "real gods" for a slice of the pie within a permanent, unavoidable hierarchy. I don't expect any God to come down and fix the world.I affirm my inner sovereignty today through Reason, logic, and conscientious objection against elitists power. You, on the other hand, are so mentally broken by the propaganda of the farm-state that you have abandoned your own human agency to become a submissive dog, barking at the concept of objective justice while wagging your tail at the feet of your designer masters.Keep groveling in your self-made cage. You are well branded.
>>43141004>scalpel of logic the only logical part of your incoherent rant is that you had the good sense to eventually shut the fuck up, but then you started posting again, how disappointing. >The pride of believing you are a rebel when you are just a compliant gear in the system.we are all compliant gears, but some of us are more free than others, and I am clearly more free than you. you're literally just repeating yourself. Are you using AI to post this nonsense? I already responded to all these points, one at a time, which is a virtue you claim is a vice as you ignore all the points I raised and just repeat your dogma and generalize the conversation so that you don't have to argue the actual points I made.>the ideological henchman for today's social-democratic Stateso fucking hilarious coming from a guy who believes in a creator god as the grounding of logic and reason. you philbros are the perfect meat puppets for the state. >defending the living constitution, the social contract, parliamentarism, and the "checks and balances" of the farm-state.no system is perfect, but this system has given us more power and more rights than any system before it and far more than the system you propose. Your ideological musing cannot be applied to reality, because in reality, people don't get logic from god, they get it from their own minds. There is no divine law giver, no divine bestower of rights, just us, and in a democracy, we have the most power to fight for the rights we choose. >If your rights depend on a mutable constitution that civil power can alter whenever the consensus of the masses shifts, you don't have rights, you just have a longer leash.all rights are based on governments that are subject to change, just like how people can change what is or is not considered a "divine natural right," as they have for thousands of years. You insult the current systems without providing any alternative, as if I'm not aware that hierarchies and societies have flaws.
>>43141008You keep crying about the Euthyphro dilemma, utterly blind to the fact that it was already dismantled.True logic and reason cannot exist in a vacuum within a "cold, dead universe" of subjective materialism. Without a transcendent source logic is reduced to a human construct, and your "shared values" are just whatever the pack of hyenas decides today.You claim to be a fierce individualist, yet you spent the whole thread defending state constitutions, social contracts, and the tyranny of the majority, only to end up begging your designer demons for a "slice of the pie." You are a walking contradiction:A submissive bureaucrat disguised as a rebel, barking at the concept of objective justice because it forces you to take actual moral responsibility for your life.Go back to your safe space in hell :DYou are thoroughly outmatched, out-read, and outclassed.
>>43141064>Reason, logic, and conscientious objection>elitists power
>>43140270 >:Dhttps://youtu.be/R5iRY9sj4n8>>43140980and that festering rot will be glorious. i believe ultimately his arguments, while commendable in their effort, ultimately can't dissuade me of what the gods have shown me
>>43141064>It was precisely the iusnaturalist axiom that all men possess inherent dignity because they answer to a Higher Law, not to human rulers, that served as the moral lever for abolitionists to destroy the legal positivism of slavery, which was perfectly shielded by your beloved laws and democratic consensuses.John Locke didn't end slavery, that was the very states you argue against. >you are just parroting the exact philosophy of the globalist elites you claim to oppose.the irony is palpable. divine command theorists are the ultimate slaves to the state. >the elimination of objective moralityyou don't have objective morality. As I have already proven, and as you deftly ignored, your moral system is subjective, as are all moral systems built on divine command theory. >You claim that religious thinking is the ultimate tool of control, yet you are the one begging your "real gods" for a slice of the pie within a permanent, unavoidable hierarchy.you will never fundamentally change the flaws and corruption of society. Society is inherently flawed and corrupt, all we can do is take our piece of it. Your ideology is defeatism, go live in the forest by yourself then, that's where your beliefs lead. You're no liberator, you're living in the same society I am, with all the same power. I just have help from friends that you're too ignorant to know about. >abandoned your own human agency to become a submissive dogsatanists embrace their own agency and their own goals as the ultimate form of freedom. You enslave yourself to dogmatic divine command theory. I have the gods on my side, I'm far more free than you will ever be
>>43141076Accusing me of using AI is the most pathetic white flag you could have waved. It is the ultimate coping mechanism of a midwit whose brain short-circuits when faced with structured, high-level political philosophy. You simply cannot comprehend a human mind capable of dismantling your entire worldview without resorting to your tavern-tier insults.You just delivered your own death sentence by admitting, and I quote: "we are all compliant gears." There it is. The absolute capitulation of the edgy, internet "Satanist."You are not a rebel.You are a self-aware, submissive cog who contents himself with having a "longer leash" than others inside the farm-state. You worship the very democratic machinery that taxes you, regulates you, and dictates your rights, comforting yourself with the pathetic illusion that you have "more power" just because you are allowed to vote for your future masters.You claim I provide no alternative.The alternative is the very bedrock of Western liberty that your secular education failed to teach you: Iusnaturalism. The immutable premise that your life, liberty, and property are inherent to your nature as a rational being, rendering them completely untouchable by any 51% majority, parliament, or bureaucrat. But your slave morality prefers the whim of the collective consensus.You don't want freedomYou want a comfortable cage where you can pretend to be a wolf while wagging your tail at the ballot box.Keep grinding inside the machine as a proud, compliant gear. You are intellectually brainwashed
>>43141087>utterly blind to the fact that it was already dismantled.laughable>True logic and reason cannot exist in a vacuum within a "cold, dead universe" of subjective materialism.and yet it does, with no god required, since your imaginary friend doesn't exist. The universe needs no creator deity, it exists eternally. All moments of time are actual, that is the leading scientific theory currently. >Without a transcendent source logic is reduced to a human construct, and your "shared values" are just whatever the pack of hyenas decides today.truth is truth regardless of what a god says, or it's not objective. I do believe in objective truth and objective logic, but I do not believe that morality is one of those objective truths. Even if I did, my arguments would be based on logic, not on divine commands. All the best moral realists use logic, you wouldn't understand because you're painfully ignorant of the latest philosophy. >yet you spent the whole thread defending state constitutions, social contracts, and the tyranny of the majority, only to end up begging your designer demons for a "slice of the pie."I don't care about changing society or helping others, I care about myself. I'm not begging anyone for anything, I take what I want, and I want what this society offers. your defeatist attitude leads you to the wilderness. So go, set up a tent in the forest and be free of the society you think is so corrupt and godless. Go live in nature with god's "natural laws" and see how free and powerful you feel. We both know you won't, because despite all your grandstanding and criticisms of the world we live in, you choose to continue living within and supporting this society. We all have criticisms of society, but we still must live within the world we live in and take what we can. I won't allow spooks to hold me back, I'm living as an individual within a system, whereas you're preaching all this talk of helping the weak and protecting the innocent, fuck them lol
>>43141101>Accusing me of using AI is the most pathetic white flag you could have waved.you literally just copy and pasted your previous post despite the fact that I had already responded to every inch of it worth responding to. >structured, high-level political philosophy.says the guy who doesn't understand the Euthyphro dilemma, claims that it has been refuted, and then completely fails to refute it, lmao>You simply cannot comprehend a human mindI've encountered you pathetic philbros plenty of times before, and I have become adept at refuting all of your pathetic arguments based in divine command theory. Your morality is even more subjective than mine, you even think truth itself is subjective to a god's mind, you don't believe in truth that exists beyond and outside of a creator deity, and so you have no concept of what objective truth even is.>You just delivered your own death sentence by admitting, and I quote: "we are all compliant gears."go live in nature then, set up your tent and refuse to cooperate with society. Oh wait, you're still here, living in society, posting on the computer society gave you. You're just a pathetic hypocrite. I'm not here to save the world, to reform society, I'm here to help myself, because I'm an actual individualist unlike you. I don't care what happens to the world as long as my place within it is secured. that's true individualism. >You are not a rebel.neither are you. we both pay our taxes, only one of us is the hypocrite though. >contents himself with having a "longer leash" than others inside the farm-state.That's all we can hope for from within society. If you want to live off the grid, go ahead, but leave your computer within society and rid us of your stupidity. >You worship I work with the world I was born within. I don't worship the gods, I'm a left hand pather, you're the only one worshipping a deity here. >"more power" just because you are allowed to voteobjectively more power than the alternative
>>43141096Your persistent attempts to box my position into Divine Command Theory (DCT) only prove your lack of philosophical depth.I am not defending a voluntarist model where morality is an arbitrary decree by a celestial tyrant, that is the distorted projection of religion propaganda in your own mind.I am defending the classical tradition of the Logos:The premise that objective morality is grounded in a rational, cosmic order that makes logic and human rights discoverable through reason, placing them completely outside the reach of both kings and democratic parliaments. By reducing all theological philosophy to your distorted misunderstanding of DCT, you are simply wrestling with a strawman of your own making.Your claim that the State, and not Natural Law, ended slavery is a grotesque distortion of history.The positive laws of the State are what institutionalized and protected slavery for centuries. The State only shifted its laws because it was morally cornered by individuals who weaponized a Higher Law to declare that no human government has the right to own another human soul.States do not grant freedom; they are forced to concede it when confronted with absolute truths.Your ultimate worldview has finally unraveled into pure, unadulterated defeatism. You openly admit that society is inherently corrupt and that your entire philosophy boils down to "taking your piece of it" while relying on "help from your spirit friends." You are not a liberator; you are a spiritual scavenger xDD.You have abandoned all notions of objective justice and human sovereignty to settle for the crumbs that the system throws at you. You mock the idea of independent freedom while bragging about having invisible masters on your side to help you navigate your cell in the farm-state. You aren't fighting the rulers of this worldYou are just looking for a better spot inside the kennel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvsBILmHhr0
Why do these llm models shit up this thread?
>>43141106>you're preaching all this talk of helping the weak and protecting the innocent, fuck them lolthe gods, in their generosity, provide means of attaining strengthstrength of will, strength of mind, strength of spiriti have come to believe that what christians oft propose is less actually protecting the weak and more enabling their weakness and preventing them from attaining strengthsacred though i believe the lambs to be, their shepherd is one that favors weakness as a virtue
>>43141101>lusnaturalismdoesn't require a god, in fact it works better without a god>The immutable premise that your life, liberty, and property are inherent to your nature as a rational being, rendering them completely untouchable by any 51% majority, parliament, or bureaucrat.and yet within any actual system, it will still be humans deciding what those rights are, because there doesn't actually exist some "divine law giver" telling us what is right or wrong. You're literally Moses, standing on a mountain waiting for god to right the laws into stone. It's never going to happen, we have to decide that for ourselves, and the best version of that was formed through democratic consensus. >But your slave morality prefers the whim of the collective consensus.collective consensus is not merely a whim, it is democracy, the most stable form of government responsible for the most rights ever achieved in human history. >You want a comfortable cage where you can pretend to be a wolf while wagging your tail at the ballot box.So do you, you have no actionable philosophy, you continue to live in and support the society you hate just like me.>Keep grinding inside the machine as a proud, compliant gear.the hypocrisy is hilarious>You are intellectually brainwashedI am freed from spooks. Our bodies are both enslaved, but my mind is free.
>>43141106>>43141116 Telling me to "go live in a tent in the forest" is the classic white flag of a midwit who has completely run out of arguments.You genuinely cannot comprehend the difference between being a "compliant gear" that worships the farm-state's mechanisms and being a free individual who practices conscientious objection while living within it. You think freedom means running away to the woods, because your mind is too enslaved to conceive of intellectual and moral independence right here, under the nose of the Leviathan.You keep barking about Divine Command Theory like a broken record, proving you don't even have the reading comprehension to understand what I wrote in my previous post. I already told you I reject DCT. My position is grounded in the Logos, the objective, rational structure of reality.But your brain simply cannot process any philosophy that doesn't fit into a pre-chewed Wikipedia article.Your edgy confession—“I don't care about changing society or helping others... fuck them lol”, doesn't make you a powerful, independent predator; it makes you a pathetic parasite.You claim you "take what you want," but you take absolutely nothing by force. You depend entirely on the infrastructure, the technology, the laws, and the social stability created by the very "cattle" you despise.You are a docile consumer who kisses the whip of the democratic majority because it secures your little comforts, pretending to be a wolf while living off the scraps of the globalist kitchen.You are the ultimate hypocrite: you claim to have "the gods on your side" to achieve your goals, yet your highest aspiration in life is to secure a comfortable corner inside the state kennel and beg for a longer leash.
>>43141126>I am not defending a voluntarist model where morality is an arbitrary decree by a celestial tyrant, that is the distorted projection of religion propaganda in your own mind.that is exactly what you're proposing. Objective morality does not require a deity and cannot be objective if it does require that deity. >I am defending the classical tradition of the Logos:if your so logical, then why have I refuted all your arguments? lmao>The premise that objective morality is grounded in a rational, cosmic order that makes logic and human rights discoverable through reason, such a belief does not, and in fact, cannot, require a creator deity to ground it. if it needs to be grounded in a mind, it is not objective. >placing them completely outside the reach of both kings and democratic parliaments.and yet no matter how you try to organize society, rights will always be bestowed by whichever government is in power. There has to be some human organization bestowing rights, regardless of your philosophy, and at no point is there a god stepping in to decide what is objective truth or not. The universe is objective, the truth within it is objective, but if morality was so obvious and undeniable as you claim it is, then why is there so much disagreement about what your precious" objective morals" actually are? clearly its not so obvious and enshrined in human nature as you claim. you have yet to provide even a single example of one of these supposed "divine natural rights." >The State only shifted its laws because it was morally cornered by individuals who weaponized a Higher Law to declare that no human government has the right to own another human soul.the mechanisms for that change happened through democracy and could not have happened in any other system. It's true that Locke-based divine natural laws were the source of that democratic change, but the actual physical mechanisms that ensured that were democratic, and enforced by government
>>43141126>Your ultimate worldview has finally unraveled into pure, unadulterated defeatism.your worldview leads logically leads to living in the forest by yourself, off the grid, since no government will ever reach your standards. >You are not a liberator; you are a spiritual scavenger xDD.I seek to liberate myself, not others. I don't need to cling to a desperate self-image of heroism to satisfy myself. you're desperate to be "the hero," to save everyone, and that is exactly the sort of collectivism you started this conversation decrying. You care more about the collective than yourself, you're just proving my point. >You have abandoned all notions of objective justice and human sovereignty to settle for the crumbs that the system throws at you.all we have ever had and ever will have is the crumbs that the system throws at us. Your ideology cannot exist in reality and has no means of enforcement.>You mock the idea of independent freedom while bragging about having invisible masters on your side to help you navigate your cell in the farm-state.the gods are the only tools we have to achieve power outside of the society you claim is so corrupt and irredeemable. It's pathetic actually, you might be able to actually realize your goals if you sought their help, but you're satisfied in your ignorance and holier-than-thou attitude. >You are just looking for a better spot inside the kennel.so are you, you're just a hypocrite about it
>>43107882Christ is king. Time for this thread to be deleted by jannies.
>>43141140for our amusement
>>43141162>Telling me to "go live in a tent in the forest" is the classic white flag of a midwit who has completely run out of arguments.says the guy with no actionable philosophy whatsoever, waiting for god to bestow his "natural rights" upon the world, since we mere humans could never decide for ourselves. >a free individual who practices conscientious objection while living within it.You are not a conscientious objector lmao, you're just as much of a slave as everyone else, living in your idealized fantasy rather than coming to grips with the actual world and the true mechanisms of power that decide what our rights are. Regardless of your philosophy, it will always be people bestowing rights on people, god will never intervene. >intellectual and moral independence right here, under the nose of the Leviathan.there is absolutely nothing "independent" about you. All you've achieved is hypocrisy. The only way to not be a hypocrite is to leave society, otherwise you're all talk. >I already told you I reject DCT.you said that you do, but in practice you don't. Just like how your philosophy says all this good shit, but in practice is just theocracy. Your idealized vision cannot exist in reality, that's my whole point. >My position is grounded in the Logos, the objective, rational structure of reality.reality is structured by quantum physics, not rationality, lmao. reality is objective, but what you think is right and wrong definitely isn't. It's your own subjective perspective. >But your brain simply cannot process any philosophy I completely understand your philosophy, and I'm explaining to you why it doesn't actually work in the real world.>a pathetic parasite.you can use language as flowery as you desire, but it will always be hypocrisy. You typing on the internet "I don't like eating shit" whilst you continue to eat shit is just comedy at this point. >you take absolutely nothing by force.everything we have is taken by force
>>43141189the mere presence of this general is that bothersome huhno fun allowed, wee woo wee woo better call the fun policewe got a case of hurt feelings, better break out the janny hammershttps://youtu.be/xkFZn4oPMqE
>>43141173>>43141185You started this debate masquerading as a fierce, independent "Satanist" who achieves absolute freedomOnly to end up whimpering that "all we have ever had and ever will have is the crumbs that the system throws at us." What a pathetic, submissive capitulation!:DYou have explicitly admitted that your entire worldview is that of a well-behaved slave, begging at the feet of the farm-state, hoping for a slightly larger crumb from your masters while pretending your compliance is "individualism."Your claim that defending Natural Law is "collectivism" because it seeks to protect the innocent from aggression is another hilarious logical failure.Protecting individual sovereignty from being crushed by the collective is the very definition of anti-collectivism.You project your own desire for a desperate self-image onto me because you cannot fathom a mind that acts out of pure, unyielding adherence to the Logos rather than a selfish transaction for cosmic crumbs.You say my worldview has no means of enforcement. The enforcement of God's Natural Law doesn't require a state army.It is enacted everywhere, and every single time a free individual practices conscientious objection, speaks the truth, and refuses to let their mind be managed by your beloved positive laws. That is real power, and it frightens you because it requires actual courage.You mock the idea of independent freedom because you are a spiritual scavenger who needs "invisible friends" to navigate a cell you've already accepted as permanent. You have secured your little spot in the kennel.You are content with the scraps, and you kiss the whip of the democratic majority because you lack the spine to stand as a sovereign being.
>>43141162>You depend entirely on the infrastructure, the technology, the laws, and the social stability created by the very "cattle" you despise.you're just as dependent on it as I am. >You are a docile consumer who kisses the whip of the democratic majority because it secures your little comforts, pretending to be a wolf while living off the scraps of the globalist kitchen.you're literally just insulting yourself lmao> you claim to have "the gods on your side" to achieve your goals, yet your highest aspiration in life is to secure a comfortable corner inside the state kennel and beg for a longer leash.there is absolutely nothing hypocritical about using the gods to secure your own goals. Just because I don't seek to reform society and save everybody doesn't make me a hypocrite. Your highest aspirations are to sit in the same kennel as me and cry about the whole time while people across from us tell you to shut up and stop barking. You have no actionable philosophy, you just cry about eating shit while you eat shit lmao
>>43141227>absolute freedomnever claimed this whatsoever, just the I was relatively more free than you because I am unbound by spooks. All you've done is put icing on the cake and continued to eat it. >Only to end up whimpering that "all we have ever had and ever will have is the crumbs that the system throws at us."What a pathetic, submissive capitulation!:Dfreedom is relative. We will never be completely free within a society, hierarchy is an immutable aspect of human civilization. >begging at the feet of the farm-stateI don't beg for anything, I take what I can. You're the one begging the state to bestow "divine natural laws" on the population, begging to be protected by the same democratic system you complain about. >Protecting individual sovereignty from being crushed by the collective is the very definition of anti-collectivism.and how do you seek to protect that sovereignty? through the exact same democratic system you complain about. You're painfully naive. >a mind that acts out of pure, unyielding adherence to the Logos rather than a selfish transaction for cosmic crumbs.there is nothing logical about spending your entire day on 4chan arguing about the existence of "divine natural laws" that you have yet to give a single example of. The only way to enforce these "divine natural laws" would be through the democracy and society you claim is a "dog kennel." well all society is a dog kennel, and if you want your precious "divine rights" to be enshrined in law, you need a society for that, and it will always have the same flaws, you absolute retard.how do you intend to protect individual sovereignty without a government to enforce it? pure lunacy. >The enforcement of God's Natural Law doesn't require a state army.it absolutely does lmao. nobody is enforcing your subjective "divine natural laws" on anybody. People decide what they are, people choose to enforce them through society, and an army will protect whatever decree the society promotes.
>>43141226;) double edged sword.
>>43141265what, having a satanism general? calling the fun police?resorting to vagueposting doesn't really change my point frenif the christians can have threads so can we
>>43141227>It is enacted everywhere, no literally nowhere lmao>and every single time a free individual practices conscientious objection,you mean crying and doing nothing because you have no power, hilarious>speaks the truth, you're definitely not doing that lmao>and refuses to let their mind be managed by your beloved positive laws.your mind is being managed by spooks>That is real power, power is power, and you have none. at least I have the gods.>You mock the idea of independent freedom I embody the maximum amount of freedom an individual can achieve within a society. you are shackled by what you believe are "divine natural laws," I do what I want, want I can, what my power can achieve. >You are content with the scraps, and you kiss the whip of the democratic majorityyou do the same, you just bark once the authorities have left, too scared to actually get yourself imprisoned doing any actual meaningful defiance. >a sovereign beingis that what you think you are? typing on your computer given to you by society, on a website controlled by society, by the will of mods who decide when you get to post and what you get to post and where you get to post?
>>43141275Christians can't. I made a Christ is king post a few weeks ago. Got a WARNING. curious how my thread stays up for less than a day than this one stays up for 10.
>>43141232There lies the abyss between us:I respect the actual producers and defend the Logos that protects their inherent rights, while you look at human society with pure, edgelord contempt ("fuck them lol"), yet you eagerly gorge yourself on the comforts they provide.You are the ultimate hypocrite not me.You brag about using your "gods" for personal gain, but you don't take anything by your own power; you are completely dependent on the systems built by the very "cattle" you despise. I don’t complain about eating shit because I recognize my inner sovereignty, protect my mind from their propaganda, and refuse to legitimize their theft.You, however, openly admitted that you are perfectly content with eating their crumbs as long as your corner in the kennel is secured.You aren't a wolf, you aren't a rebel, and your "gods" haven't liberated a single inch of your submissive mind. You are just a well-fed slave who loves his chains.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vRNUSaDSGc
>>43141275it's always been like this, even before years ago when this general was a regular occurrence. Christians have always tried to come in here and shut it down, just look at this philbro who has literally spent the last 20 hours straight posting his retarded hypocritical and unactionable philosophy trying to shut our thread down. pathetic. philbros are by far the most annoying posters >>43141283religious preaching is not paranormal discussion.
>>43141295Was not the reason. It was "off topic" and not creepy. I guess satanism fits that so they allow it.
>>43141295Simmer down. This has been on the front page for a while. If this thread moved as fast as the others, I won't bother.
>>43141283that's an interesting point. perhaps try making a christianity general then, see if that lasts any longer>>43141295i find the effort amusing. it is the nature of satanism to become accustomed to such fighting, it strengthens us. we are anathema to them, and the gods give us the means to remain such in the face of continuous opposition. take pride that your presence has such an effect in this worldhttps://youtu.be/_necWZ0mEQ8
>>43141293>I respect the actual producers and defend the Logos that protects their inherent rights,logic does not defend itself, people defend their own logic and without minds to promote it, it has no power, no legs. >protect their inherent rightslogic doesn't protect rights, soldiers do, who are funded by the state, which is funded by the people. >while you look at human society with pure, edgelord contempt ("fuck them lol"), yet you eagerly gorge yourself on the comforts they provide.the best, and most logical way to live lmao. You cannot help yourself with the hypocrisy, you're literally doing the EXACT SAME THING lmao>you are the ultimate hypocritenothing I have said is hypocritical lmao. >but you don't take anything by your own power;everything we have is taken by our own power. everything else is a spook>you are completely dependent on the systems built by the very "cattle" you despise.so are you, hypocrite>I don't complainyou're doing that right now. That's the whole reason you're here, to complain.>I recognize my inner sovereignty,you've surrounded your "inner sovereignty" to the universe. I don't submit to the universe, I fight against it. You bow to it. >You, however, openly admitted that you are perfectly content with eating their crumbs as long as your corner in the kennel is secured.you're exactly the same lmao>your "gods" haven't liberated a single inch of your submissive mind.says the guy shackled by spooks lmao>You are just a well-fed slave who loves his chains.We're both well-fed slaves, and neither of us love our chains, the difference between us is that I use my own power to fight for myself, whereas you wait for your "divine natural laws" to enforce themselves, as you directly stated. It's never going to happen, keep waiting slave.
>>43141295>Christians have always tried to come in here and shut it downAnd? Literally your archnemisis and always will be. Just as common as Satanists trying to shut down the Christians.
>>43141302go make your own Christianity thread then. Oh wait, that wouldn't satisfy you, since christianity is an intellectual contagion that spreads around and infests everything it can reach, sending out it's foot soldiers to shackle the minds of anyone they can get their hands on, feasting on the weak and the vulnerable, rejecting power and waiting for an imaginary friend to come save them, which just creates a docile slave class that cares not for reality and does nothing to ensure their own goals are actualized. >>43141311>take pridepride is everything to us. they'll keep coming, it's built into their worldview to infest everything they can reach.
>>43141328satanists don't proselytize, we keep to ourselves, content in our own power and our own circles. it is the christians who invade everything they can get their grubby hands on, desperately trying to convert everyone. You spent thousands of years using swords to enforce your nonsense, and now you use keyboards. Satanists are content with themselves and their own community. We're nothing alike.
>>43141311Done.>>43141334I did. Let's see if I get a ban or a warning this time.
>>43141278You are so thoroughly house-trained by the farm-state that you genuinely believe rights don't exist unless a bureaucrat codifies them and a police officer enforces them with a truncheon.That is the pinnacle of slave morality. Natural rights are not "begged" from a democracy; they are inherent. They are enforced through the oldest mechanism in human history: individual defense, private property, and the refusal to legitimize the thief. You think the only alternative to a state army is running to the woods, utterly blind to the centuries of decentralized law, private arbitration, and custom that existed long before your beloved modern Leviathan was born.You mock conscientious objection as "crying and doing nothing," yet you are the one who explicitly stated that your maximum aspiration is to "do what your power can achieve" while paying your taxes like a good boy, fearing prison, and obeying the mods of a forum. You have no real power. Your "freedom" is just the desperate coping mechanism of a slave who does exactly what the system allows him to do, while using his "gods" as a psychological pacifier to feel special inside his cage.You think you are a realist because you accept the kennel, but you are just an intellectual coward. The fact that we use computers or live within infrastructure built by human cooperation doesn't mean we must worship the parasitic mafia that monopolizes it through taxation and propaganda. I use their tools to attack their liesYou use their tools to defend their system.
>>43141342>Satanists are content with themselves and their own community. We're nothing alike.Well, besides the Satanists who have been orchestrating the subversion and uprooting of Christian civilization for the last few centuries through things like the french and russian revolutions... but I get you're probably talking about your average run of the mill LeVayan or theistic Satanist so nvmd.
>>43141334every encounter with them is a chance to seed truth in the fertile soil of doubt. with the right effort, it can bloom into something meaningful that opens their eyes to the truth of the godshttps://youtu.be/XsG4L2Z-oi8>>43141346may your general be fruitful fren
>>43141350>you genuinely believe rights don't exist unless a bureaucrat codifies them and a police officer enforces them with a truncheon.it doesn't matter whether they exist independently or not, they can only be enforced by actual power. >That is the pinnacle of slave morality.I have my own moral system, I reject the morality imposed on my by any outside force, god or otherwise. >Natural rights are not "begged" from a democracy; they are inherent.inherently nonexistent unless a democracy bestows them upon it's people, lmao. natural laws do not enforce themselves, what an incredibly stupid worldview. >individual defensemade possible by the weapons society gives you>private propertyenforced by society>refusal to legitimize the thief.you live in a world that was stolen. everything was claimed with force. The only rights we have are enforced by actual power. >centuries of decentralized law, private arbitration, and custom that existed long before your beloved modern Leviathan was born.none of this existed before society, they are products of society. In the natural world of hunters and gatherers, there was no "natural law" governing behavior, people took what they could and suffered what they must. roving bands of killers traveled the world slaughtering all the men and taking whatever women they could get their hands on. tribes drove species to extinction feasting on them to excess and moving on to the next location when they had robbed nature of everything before them. >yet you are the one who explicitly stated that your maximum aspiration is to "do what your power can achieve" while paying your taxes like a good boy, fearing prison, and obeying the mods of a forum.you're exactly the same, you're just a hypocrite about it.>You have no real power.I have more power than you lmao, I have the gods on my side and my mind is free from spooks. >a slave who does exactly what the system allows him to doyou're talking about yourself again lmao
>>43141350>you accept the kennelI don't accept my kennel, I fight against it with whatever power I have, to achieve whatever I can achieve. >doesn't mean we must worship the parasitic mafia that monopolizes it through taxation and propaganda.again, you'r the only one worshipping anything here. You worship your imaginary friend and his imaginary laws, you pretend like they'll enforce themselves, you claim that they exist within nature outside of society when the entire concept only exists within society and was born from society, since life before society was pure anarchy.
>>43141354ah yes, the old "the elites are trying to destroy christianity!" argument despite the fact that the elites are the ones who uphold and spread christianity. What an amazing worldview you have.
>>43141371Yo lorgar not cool https://youtu.be/m2GqhzQU4Yc?si=GOZV0ZBOIE-1uMqW
>>43141371>>43141395Whoops meant this one https://youtu.be/9qi3Evua2Cs?si=EUXt3kqUsaViveL9
>>43141323Since your entire debate strategy has devolved into trotting out desperate, fragmented copy-pastes like a panicked intern, let me mimic your illiterate style so the whole thread can see how absolutely pathetic you look. Let’s do this your way, "fren":>freedomYou don't have any, you just admitted you're a compliant gear.>isAn existential state you clearly haven't achieved yet.>relativeExactly like your shifting, subjective, tavern-tier morality.>WeThere is no "we." You are a submissive parasite; I am a sovereign being.>will never beThe motto of your entire defeatist, crumb-eating life.>completely freeSomething you'll never grasp while begging Beelzebub for a longer leash.>within a societyWhere you gladly sit, paying your taxes like a good dog while LARPing as a wolf.>hierarchyThe boot you love to kiss as long as they drop a few scraps from the table.>is an immutable aspectJust like your profound inability to understand the Logos or legal philosophy.>of human civilizationBuilt by the hardworking "cattle" you despise but completely depend on to survive.>I don't begYou literally just bragged about begging your invisible master friends for power.>I take what I canYou take absolutely nothing. You click "agree" to the terms of service and obey.>power is powerAnd your power equals doing exactly what the mods and the state allow you to do.>at least I have the godsImaginary invisible coping mechanisms to help you cope with your internet beating.>typing on your computerThe computer manufactured by the very civilization you claim to transcend.Thank you for demonstrating to the entire forum how to write a completely incoherent, fragmented rant.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2oHR6vasJQ
>>43141389>who uphold and spread christianityWhat are you talking about? Christendom has been essentially shattered. The liberal and bourgeois state (who are satanic in nature) have killed or displaced the old elite and neutered the Church and turned it into an impotent puppet for their purposes (which is to create a new Babylon). Only kept alive as a puppeted corpse to serve their political purposes and to keep some semblance of continuity. The guys in charge are definiatly YOUR fellow travelers, satanist.
>>43141406basedhttps://youtu.be/sqFmt9XYeYo
>>43141435I like you you pretend like responding directly sentence by sentence is somehow a bad debate strategy, where you claim that doing what you do, which is just repeating yourself over and over, generalizing, and refusing to respond to anything specific, is somehow a virtue. genuinely pathetic.>You don't have any, you just admitted you're a compliant gear.nobody is completely free, but I'm relatively more free than you>Exactly like your shifting, subjective, tavern-tier morality.hypocrisy, your moral system is subjective as I've already proven and you conveniently ignore.>I am a sovereign beingsays the dog barking at it's masters>defeatist, crumb-eating life.that's you, waiting for "natural laws" to "enforce themselves" pathetic>begging Beelzebubthat's the other girl, I'm all about Athena personally, and I don't beg, I work with. You wouldn't understand, since you just beg your imaginary god to enforce morality for you>Where you gladly sit, paying your taxes like a good dog while LARPing as a wolf.hypocrisy>The boot you love to kiss as long as they drop a few scraps from the table.hypocrisy>Just like your profound inability to understand the Logos or legal philosophy.you haven't said anything logical all day, and yet you hammer on about a "logos" you've demonstrated you don't have.>but completely depend on to survive.hypocrite>You literally just bragged about begging your invisible master friends for power.I don't beg and they're not my masters. I was actually closer to the right hand path, like you, before the gods themselves pushed me toward the left and independence. >You take absolutely nothing. You click "agree" to the terms of service and obey.hypocrisy. You're shackled by what you believe is "right" or "wrong," you'll never be free.>And your power equals doing exactly what the mods and the state allow you to do.hypocrite> civilization you claim to transcend.that's you. this is what defeat looks like
>>43141444>Christendom has been essentially shattered.there are more christians than there ever have been, the most powerful country on earth is currently suffering under the oppression of far right theocratic nationalists pushing christianity on schools and defunding scientific research.>The liberal and bourgeois state (who are satanic in nature)lmao they're inherently christian >have killed or displaced the old eliteand replaced them with more christians, amazing. let me know when we finally have a president who isn't christian.> neutered the Churchthat's a good thing, unless you enjoy the pope dominating society and murdering dissenters and causing millions and millions of deaths in religious wars>and turned it into an impotent puppet for their purposes so you admit that christianity is a puppet of the elites for controlling the population, thank you for your concession>Only kept alive as a puppeted corpse to serve their political purposes and to keep some semblance of continuity.christianity has always been a puppet of political forces from its birth as a roman state religion. >The guys in charge are definiatly YOUR fellow travelers, satanist.gee I wish, would be nice to get rid of all the christians and jews who actually run shit
Is there anyone here who wants to talk about demonolatry and stuff? Any tips?
>>43141498>the most powerful country on earth is currently suffering under the oppression of far right theocratic nationalists pushing christianity on schoolsthere is proof of this, toohttps://youtu.be/nrnfg_Qx6zw
>>43141498>far right theocratic nationalists pushing christianityYou mean fucking Trump? He is a far-right theocrat to you?Only someone who is at least mad baron-tier deserves the honor of being called that. Satanists truly aren't sending their best today. And I also just noticed that I, a faitful Christian and servant of the Lord, out-satanist you even, if you are still concerned about muh "left-right" dichotomy. Bring me a better Satanist to talk with.
>>43141525see>>43141513
>>43141525>You mean fucking Trump? He is a far-right theocrat to you?ever heard of Project 2025? The thing that Trump has been enacting? It's a far right christian movement imposed by the elites. >Satanists truly aren't sending their best today.implying, me and the devil's waifu have been singlehandedly putting this general on our backs and carrying this movement all day, since the rest of the posters ITT are literally christians and philbros, since again, you guys infest society at every level and are inescapable. >out-satanist you even, if you are still concerned about muh "left-right" dichotomy.there is no true left in American politics, that doesn't mean the right isn't worse. we work with what we have, and the right is pushing backwards policies and destroying this country whereas the "left" does literally nothing which is preferable to going in the wrong direction. we have a party that pushes fascism and a party that does nothing, I'll take the latter thank you very much. >bring me a better SatanistI intellectually dominated these generals years ago and I still am. Praise Athena, she gives me the wisdom to strike down fools with the power of my mighty keyboard :p
>>43141371<3
>>43141530Based bill, but won't fix much. As I said Christianity right now is mostly a dead corpse. Christian civilization is essentially dead and a propped up corpse that is currently raped by the bourgeois class that killed it. The two world wars finally killed it off. >>43141551>ever heard of Project 2025? The thing that Trump has been enacting? It's a far right christian movement imposed by the elites.It's really funny. Trump himself was calling people like Pat Buchanan nazis for wanting to shut the border and not liking Israel. Trump will never be right-wing. But I digress>I intellectually dominated these generals years ago and I still amIt's nothing personal. I am sure you're a great satanist. I just prefer sparring against the nihilistic will to power types.
>>43141551if i can get a hold of him, i will also bring this general to the attention of the liber falxifer bookanon. he is very knowledgeable with what that book series provides, and like us he knows the true gods>>43141585i think the discrepancy here is what we define as what it means for christian civilization to be "alive". from all i can tell, it is only "dead" because it is forced to share space with other religions and spiritual factions, and for it to be truly alive is the total christian domination of western culture. the irony is, there are indeed prominent and wealthy families invested heavily in the rebirth of christianity, so to day it is truly dead is far from the truth indeed. the presence of christians here is itself a testament to the prevalence of christianity, despite it not being as entirely ubiquitous as it once perhaps was. i believe christians simply need to become accustomed to the idea of not dominating every facet of society as they once did
>>43141585>Based billembarrassing admission. >Christian civilization is essentially deadlike enoby said, your definition of "dead" means "doesn't completely control every aspect of society." >Trump will never be right-wing.except he totally flip-flopped as is now completely right wing in his policies. Yeah sure he has no principles and does whatever he has to for power, but right now, that is promoting right wing politics >nihilistic will to power typesbut that's literally me lol
anyway I need to work out, take a shower, and walk my dogs. I've spent my whole day off arguing on the internet, what a waste. catch you later
>>43141627>but that's literally me lolThe fuck you are. I've encountered far worse than you. I am talking assholes who literally MKUltra themselves to completely destroy any bit of goodness and attachement to moral conceptions of good and evil, and here you are whining that some billionaires are wanting to put women into the kitchen and calling that muh far-right theocratic buzzwords.That's not what I come into a satanist thread for. I come in here to talk with batshit insane morally depraved schizos. 0/10You will never be a TRVE Satanist. You aren't even worthy of being called my enemy. You are just a lukewarm fag like the rest of em'
>>43141474Your entire debate strategy in a nutshell.This is literally all you have left to say:>you'll never be free.>nobody is completely free> your moral system is subjective as I've already proven >you haven't said anything logical all day, and yet you hammer on about a "logos" you've demonstrated you don't have.> independence. >waiting for "natural laws" to "enforce themselves">refusing to respond to anything specific>pathetic>pathetic>pathetic>hypocrisy>hypocrisy>hypocrisy>hypocrite>hypocrite>hypocriteBeautiful.You have officially degenerated into a broken record trapped in your own echo chamber.Look at this repetitive output. When an intellect is thoroughly crushed and lacks the vocabulary or the depth to sustain a philosophical debate on legal philosophy and the Logos, its only defense mechanism is to slice coherent ideas into isolated sentences, strip them of their context, and loop the exact same words over and over again.The funniest part of your desperate script is the absolute ideological failure:You claim to be a "supreme individualist," yet the only way you can counter my points is by defending the social contract, state constitutions, and majoritarian democracy. You literally turned a rebel into a docile cheerleader for the modern social-democratic farm-state just to survive the argument.You openly admitted that you are perfectly content with eating the system's crumbs as long as your corner in the kennel is secured. You aren't a wolf, you aren't independent, and you have the soul of a servant.Tell me one thing alone, and i will discuss it with you, don't do that shit...as you already know :)
>>43141641>completely destroy any bit of goodness and attachement to moral conceptions of good and evil,literally me, I support the left because the right is actively harmful to me as an individual, not because I care about others. >some billionaires are wanting to put women into the kitchen and calling that muh far-right theocratic buzzwordsyou sound like a moron. the right is literally just billionaire puppets, the left at least has to throw crumbs sometimes, crumbs that I'm better off with than without. I'm not stupid enough to believe true communism could ever take power in the imperial core.
>>43141653>You have officially degenerated into a broken record trapped in your own echo chamber.says the guy who has literally just been repeating himself over and over for 24 hours straight. >only way you can counter my points is by defending the social contract, state constitutions, and majoritarian democracy.it's better than the alternative, yes. If you consider that "defending," then you're as illiterate as you are powerless. >a docile cheerleader for the modern social-democratic farm-state just to survive the argument.I choose the best outcome for myself. That's definitely not "divine natural laws" holding back my goals. >You openly admitted that you are perfectly content with eating the system's crumbs as long as your corner in the kennel is secured.you're the same, you're just a hypocrite about it>you have the soul of a servant.says the guy who literally serves an imaginary friend, sad!I seriously need to go do shit now, clearly you have the time to just keep repeating yourself over and over for 2 days straight, your endurance and lack of a life is your only virtue
>>43141659I'm sure you are a Supreme gentleman anon https://youtu.be/mZatjJ6IvB8?si=AnBcJiMOY_UdpSA6
>>43141671free your attention from him and do as you will. you are beholden to none but yourself and the gods. may your day bring you enjoyment
in celebration of the gods and my beloved Beelzebub, i shall say this:all of us, even those who ascribe to the theology of the abrahamic faiths, are autonomouswhether we follow the gods, reject spirituality, or adhere to scripture, we do so of our own volitionin that respect, we all have that attribute in common. we seek what we do for our own purposesbe it meaning, happiness, power, contentment, or whatever else, we are driven to satisfy our wantsmay all our wants be satisfied thus, that we may prosper within the waking dreamhttps://youtu.be/va9ZNp8yBnk
>>43141671>I choose the best outcome for myself. That's definitely not "divine natural laws" holding back my goals.>says the guy who literally serves an imaginary friend, sad!>I seriously need to go do shit now, clearly you have the time to just keep repeating yourself over and over for 2 days straight, your endurance and lack of a life is your only virtueBefore you go, let me clarify the absolute depth of your misunderstanding. You spent this entire debate fighting a projection of your own ignorance.I never spoke about an anthropomorphic "entity" or the primitive, external sky-tyrant you keep arguing against.To me, God is the very ground of existence—both immanent and transcendent.It is the ultimate synthesis of the hardware, the operating system, and the electricity of reality. It is the inescapable framework of physical, mathematical, and logical laws that make this entire creation intelligible.I do not see ghosts, spirits, or designer demons hiding from laboratory scrutiny. I understand the sciences, the architecture of the cosmos, and the spark of the Logos that resides in everything, including myself, the natural world, and yes, even in the very cognitive structures we use to reason.You choose to limit your existence to scrambling for crumbs and seeking personal transactions within the state kennel.That is your choice. But do not confuse your inability to comprehend a universal, scientific, and philosophical framework with a lack of logic on my part. You are simply blind to the order that allows you to exist.anyway... i did many things and also liked this debate with you :) <3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9y9WCaqec0
>>43107882>Hai Satan. I heard you liek mudkips https://youtu.be/o-nr1nNC3ds?si=U14WICqByumCaIr1
>>43141718nice song :D<3but lyrics talk about love and friendship there "down below" :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXFiorNb8kU
>>43141888thank youif you're looking for something less focused on comradery, you may prefer this onehttps://youtu.be/ltqaRHHWUxo>galantissuperb taste
I sure wish the Satanism thread was about summoning demons.
>>43142211There is enough here already.
>>43141920Look this is not a song but it's related to our debate :PAnd sorry i don't want to piss any of you, even the copy&paste demon :))Im just saying that those prophets and philosophers, did their best with their information, now we can do it much better than to follow texts and concepts from 2,000-4.000 years ago to the letter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3XHuhR1HTwhaha you have good taste too evil fren :))i prefer the "down below" one :Phaha but found this epic satanic one for you <3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7DpjiXictABut as you already know, I’m more into this other style ^^https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMeA9eK2CXc
>>43143404>i don't want to piss any of yousome anons can be more inflammatory but i tend not to be when we're having relatively civil discussions>haha but found this epic satanic one for you <3thank you fren, very nice>But as you already know, I’m more into this other stylemy mistake, you may identify more with this one thenhttps://youtu.be/YAJtFkKWLyY
i find myself often fascinated by the way the warrior ethos follows proponents of the abrahamic faithshttps://youtu.be/H0MBO3FaEts
>>43143420> you may identify more with this one thenwith a phrase or two. :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrURlyTDQ3M(nice song too)<3But i feel more days like this instead:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kY4isd0pnchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSOR5fJdeOkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUgiXhC-lIxDD
>>43137016Shut the fuck up nigger
I'm so fucking depressed and I'm unable to kill myself
>>43107882Is the planet Saturn linked to Satan? Why is the planet Saturn demonized so much? Do you guys have good things to say about the planet Saturn?
