Is it time to accept that Caucasus wrestlers have debunked striking forever?
All they've done is demonstrate how dumb the octagon isThey literally just push people into the wall, it's a good strategy but it only works because of the weird environment the cage createsIf it was in a normal ring or an open mat the whole thing falls apart like a house of cardsBy the way this was always the point of the cage, remember UFC was originally designed to be a gracie jiujitsu commercial, they designed it to aid their fighting style which at that time was the same. Bum rush the legs and pin against the wall. Watch grecie challenge videos and you'll see that's what they doThen the meta shifted and now that gay boring lay and pray shit is back again What's old is new again, history doesn't repeat but it rhymes This will be the death of the UFC though The brand is already in decline and now you have champions that just rear body lock and run the clock, nobody is gonna watch this shit
>>240428Should ufc bring pride rules back?
>>240455Would be a big helpThat low single from way outside is only viable because he's immune to getting punted in the mouth
>>240456They need to being yellow cards back to fuck with their earning and allow knees to the face when they go for mindless takedowns with no way of punish them.
>>240427They've also made the sport boring as fuck. The only entertaining Dagestani is Makhachev and he isn't beating Jack.
Christ will return and they will pay their debts in the end
>>240427>debunked striking
>>240427Ground game is for when you can afford to be on the ground, and that's not usually the case in the real world where friends and rando's will stomp your head in while you're trying to roll around on the ground. You need to have skill in both stand up and ground fighting.
>>240682you can throw people instead of rolling on the ground, you know
>>240682In a way. But its for sports because it relies on both parties following the rules. You cant grapple me if I just crush your balls or gouge your eyes.
>>240471>allow knees to the face when they go for mindless takedownArent those already allowed?
>>240427There's only 3 of them that are champs right now and they've all lost before except Khamzat, who's nearly lost.
>>240428>strikerfag copes>>240625this nigger gets it
kumshot was insufferable Saturday. He should not be champion because that wasn’t fucking fighting, ddp smiling like a retard the whole merry way too. and that little dicksuckle arman, god I would love to just kick him square in the balls from behind the arrogant fuck.Merab and ilia are way more interesting than the dagi fucks. even if merab still has similarities to them, and i get how some people can find him boring, his judo is pure pottery. I like sandhagen but he’s got no chanceKhabib is gay for not fighting Tony but it was interesting seeing a lighter guy do a sort of Cain v style no doubt when I first watched him…. Then it’s like ok dude… the same thing each fight. Islam is a little better but him not fighting ilia goes to show how bullshit ufc is. Fuck umar that quick little faggot I’m glad merab raped his soul into humiliation, if muslims are capable Ank seems like a chill guy, I hope Alex gives him a seizure with the first punch of the first round tho.SPIDER IS THE GOATI HOPE TOM VORES GANE IN THEIR OCTOBER FIGHT
They didn't debunk anything, they are simply well-rounded in a promotion where most of the top fighters are pure kickboxers whose grappling skill extends to scrambles to standing, two chokes and desperation armbar attempts
>>240783>you can throw people instead of rolling on the ground, you knowRight, my point is that stand up fighting should be trained as should ground work for real world situations, and while ground work is arguably better for competition, it's usually the last resort for non-competition defense.
>>240427All they have demonstrated is that people who practice more at a high level will usually win more
MMA rules but on a basketball court and no gloves or wraps. See what happens. Maybe a lot more muay thai kicks and elbows and knees?
>>242706You should check out King of the Streetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4w4WY2fx7A
>>242708That's exactly what happens. It becomes mainly kickboxing But the nerds here will say KOTS fighters are "untrained thugs" lmfao
>This is real fighting! We are so fucking tough noone can beat our dudes barehandedIf it's real then have no rulesFinger grabs, eye gouges, soccer kicks, aim for spine and throat, fucking SPITTING, throwing you out the cage. All that>We need rules because we need to protect or fighters (it'll cost us medical aid money and star promotions. They only have 2 eyes lmao)Then spitting, grabbing the cage, knees with 3 points down, Speedos, uniforms, stomps, etc. Should be fine. All bare knuckle. We palm strike now.>Noone wants to see that, that looks savage or taints the looks and brand. Le noble warrior (money bro. We sell gloves and shit)So it's a sport>Of course. We aren't street fighters.>That's why we do rounds, TKO, time limits. It keeps it fast and ends in time. Very entertaining and good for the kids.>But we want to keep it as close to the real thing we can. While keeping the money I mean the fighters wellbeing in mind>But keep it fair for grapplers. We are MIXED martial arts.Then why count control time? Why give points for ground and standing control time if we all know it's got no actual benefits in a real fight (if you tire me and I kill you I win. If my friends come over I win. If you CAN'T submit me or knock me out you DON'T win.) and no benefit in a timed match that turns boring when our fighters just hug for 15 minutes? We can count take downs and slams even if they do little in a match because IRL you break your shit on concrete (Also because it's fun, just like striking). Then we countdown a minute of ground/stand control and then we stand/separate fighters. It's fast, it's active. Maybe the one that takes you down has to stand up quick or it costs him a point after 1:30 minutes. This also simulates my friend kicking him in the head AND makes ground game fun and explosive switching speeds and dominance in a second.>This isn't the olympics faggot. This is real life!! (BJJ money. We invested in bjj. Also Slav and Arab money.)
>>242741what the fuck are you rambling about you schizo
>>242745Idk maybe read better broThat does the trick
>>240471grounded knees benefit grapplers>grounded knees benefit grapplersgrounded knees benefit grapplers>grounded knees benefit grapplersgrounded knees benefit grapplers>grounded knees benefit grapplersgrounded knees benefit grapplers>grounded knees benefit grapplers
>>242909And that's a good thing. People liked Khabib even though he's a grappler because he would maul people with ground and pound. Grounded knees = more finishes for everyone = more viewership.
>>240427Who are they fighting? We are busy trying to make a living.
>>240427>Wrestler's peak performance vs Striker's most mediocre performance
>>240427All of them literally train striking. Zabit Mahomedshapirov and Muslim Sakilov specialize in it. The 5 Directions school consistently produces great striking athletes.
>>244334Doesn't matter because your end goal when participate in this shit is to get money without turning your brain into mush in the process. If wrestlers pull that off, then they did the right thing, no matter how boring it may look to others. Tony Ferguson tried to be entertaining and look where he is now, a damaged wreck with less money than Khabib
>>240427Why western fighters don't train wrestling as much as them? They always go for bjj which has no takedowns and no pins. Craig Jones is marketing himself like antidagestani but had zero success.
>>242741>throwing you out the cageThe cage should be considerably larger too. This should make it easier to maintain distance from wrestlers.
>>250277BJJ is trendy in the west ever since it was used as the basis for UFC
>>244334That was an early stoppage
>>240427It's a shame Khabib v GSP never happened. If he'd been able to match Khabib in wrestling and beat him, it would have underlined the need to improve stand-up game and have that option for when you face another elite grappler. But there aren't really any well-rounded guys who can show them that now.
>>240427Remember when Rousey lost and everyone was like "she's the sea song of grappling in MMA, the last pure grappler champion" KEK
>>253484That was a good day. And Zhang, Rose and other ladies came along that could grapple and actually strike too. So Ronda looks even dumber in hindsight. It's a shame, instead of being looked at as a pioneer, Ronda is laughed at because of what a shitty person she is. GOAT Nunes bless. Thank you for beating the piss out of Ronda.
>>253484all due to her deranged coach trying to make her box
>>240428Hélio Gracie fought everyone, in all kind of different places.
>>240427Why do they all do that beard
>>250277>zero successYou mean like when his student Jack Della Maddalena beat Belal Muhammad and stuffed most of his takedowns? Then became welterweight champ? Yeah no success at all.
>>255350Belal is literally american. We have seen JDM trying to octopus Islam lol.
>>240427many of those in the pic were better strikers than wrestlrers, some were beaten badly by strikers... there is nothing about wrestlers that made them superior in any way to the regular lanklet ufc champions all types of fighters and fighting styles proved their point, it is a matter of wich fighter is better at that point, nothing more, nothing else.UFC have proven once and for all that all fighting styles and types of bodies can fight and win
>>240428The appeal of mma is: can human ingenuity and skill (strikers) overcome the old classic (grapplers). The audience is always on the striker's side by default. Think DDP Vs Hamzat
>>249841That's a good point. I like watching the midget divisions, because they're more agile and way less likely to get brain damage.
>>255954casuals just hate anything that's simple but effective, whether in grappling or striking. i've seen people booing strickland because of his simple 1-2 style.
>>242909And surely benefits successful takedown defence , it seems prime time for a knee to the head after stuffing a takedown no ?
>>242741>keeps it fast and ends in timeThey can still fit the fights in their respective 15 minute gaps, do one or two 5 round main events (spread them around if you want to fight boredom, make people buy chips and beer all night instead of dropping last minute, and make the last fight feel fresh), and the last fight of the day should last til someone drops or gives up. A proper last stand. At least make it optional for more money and a special BMF title if there's no belt.Where's the 45 minute fights for a belt? epic slugging each other's tired selves into mush? wuzzes being booed out of the place? where pinning and dragging people on and around the ground is just wasting energy if you get nothing out of it. Where you can jab and teep someone all day and it means nothing unless they go down at some point?Maybe give a chance to a fucker that just faught that day and wants money, fame and feeling like a warrior. When are we Sakuraba-ing again?What do they need the place for after the 5 rounders? what would make them more money than dudes going at it at a dick measuring contest? child trafficking conventions?
>>255808Belal trains with Khabib's team
>>240788You won't do shit faggot. I'll control both your arms and choke you to death while your gf watches.
>>240427>when a striker does something so grapplephobic you hit them with the dagestan stare
>>257659Doing a few camps with a Dagestani team well into your professional career as an adult =/= training Dagestani your entire life from childhood to adulthood
>>242741>you should lose a point for maintaining control of your opponent why dont you just watch Powerslap or Run It Straight you fucking retard
>>260511JDM never trained with the Dagis and beat someone who had for a few years. You can stop moving the goalposts now.
>>242741This post was written by a kid who watches Adin Ross streams and drinks 4 monsters a day
>>240455Can someone please educate me on why this would be a good idea?Regards,The Administration
>>260764>beat someone who had for a few yearsYou act like Belal has been in the mountains for years straight, when the guy does a single 3 week camp with Khabib's team and spends the other 11 months training in Chicago. Belal doesn't fight like a Dagestani. He fights like Belal.
>>261630seeing crotch-sniffing wrestlers get soccer kicked and curbstomped would be heart-warming because i fucking hate wrestlefucking
The fact is you should be allowed to grab the cage, there's no good reason why you can'tIf you're allowed to push someone against it theres no justification to not being able to hang on to it to pull yourself up
>>261654Unironically ditch the octagon and just have a big ass open mat
>>261635Belal trained with the Dagis so he knows at least some of their tricks. And Jack beat him. That's proof that Craig Jones is at least somewhat effective at game planning for that style. >>261734Nah that's how you get people falling off the edge like sumo>>261654Yes there is, because it's a crutch. You aren't getting up out of your own power, you're using something to assist yourself. Might as well let the guy who is taking you down use a brick or log to trip you over. If you can't stop a takedown without grabbing the cage, that's your problem. Derrick Lewis TKO'd a guy who was blatantly using the cage to get back up to his feet. The ref stopped it after he pulled himself up.
>>261750They're not taking people down under their own power, that's the crutch, and it's by designThere's no wrestling there's pushing people against the wall so they can't defend takedowns anymoreThere's no corner so it's impossible for strikers to trap you, you can always circle out at all timesBut at the same time you can't sprawl to fight off shots at the legs
>be known for wrestlefucking your opponents>wrestlefuck your way to the title>get paired up with someone known for standing and jabbing to a decision>give up wrestlefucking two rounds in to stand and jab with him>lose by decision
>>261761He did zero damage, couldn't finish him or pin him and got tired as fuck.
>>261751Explain a takedown in the middle of the cage then.And it is absolutely possible to defend takedowns against the cage. It happens all of the time. >>261761Sean's takedown defense is too good. Gassed Khamzat out.
