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Thread for Judo (other jacketed wrestling styles welcome)

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>Previous thread
>>238094

>Discussion starter
What's the most reliable throw for self defense?
That entails a throw that will deal the most damage to your opponent, maximize your safety and will keep you ready to run or continue fighting
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yall niggas aint ready for african judo
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>>249897
I would say leg grabs or any turning throw where you don't lift a leg, foot sweeps are also good but for self defense just throw a calf kick, it's basicaly the same.
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>>249917
For self defence, just teep them in the knee/stomach

I think judo is okay if they grab you, but it's going to turn into hockey punches at that point
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DO NOT TAKE LSD BEFORE GOING TO YOUR JUDO TOURANMENT!!!!

THIS WAS MY FIRST EVER TOUARNMENT AS A WHITE BELT AND I REALLY NERVOUS SO I DROPPED 3 HITS OF ACID I GOT FROM A "PEN-PAL" IN HOLLAND GOING INTO THE HIGHSCHOOL GYMNASIUM THIS WAS TAKING PLACE (I DROVE AN HOUR TO GET THERE BUT DIDNT TAKE ANY BEFORE DRIVIGN DONT WORRY)

MY HEART WAS RACING SO I TOOK ONE AND I DIDNT FEEL THE EFFECTS FOR THE FIRST 20 MINUTES SO I TOOK ANOTHER HOPING TO GOD IT WOULD CALM ME DOWN

MY MATCH WAS IN 45 MINUTES AND I WAS STILL FUCKING JACKED BEFORE FIGHTING SOME UZBEKISTANI CAVEMAN WHO'S TRYING TO GO TO THE JUNIOR OLYMPICS OR SOME SHIT SO I TOOK ANOTHER TAB

MY COACHES TELL ME TO GET READY AND HEAD FOR THE MAT, IM STILL WONDERING IF I GOT N-BOME'D BUT MY GUY WAS REPPED AND THE SHIT WASN'T BITTER SO I JUST THOUGHT I GOT A WEAK DOSE

THEN I WALKED INTO THE GYM, EVERYTHING STARTED TO FUCKING GO WRONG IN MY BRAIN

I STARTED TO SWEAT REALLY BAD AND I FELT LIKE I WAS GOING TO EDING BUT I WASNT HARD I JUST FELT LIKE CUMMING

ANYWAYS I BARLEY GET ONTO THE MAT, ZOOKED OUT, THE MAT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE OCEAN SHORELINE AND FEEL THE SAND BEING PULLED OUT FROM UNDERNEATH YOU WHEN THE CURRENT GOES OUT AND MY ENTIRE PERCEPTION OF MOVEMENT OR TIME GOT CRANKED UP BY LIKE 5 LEVELS
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MY OPPONTENT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS JITTERING UP AND DOWN AND THE BLUE IN HIS GI KEPT VIBRATING A BUNCH OF HUES AND THE ENTIRE BACKDROP WAS LIKE FLICKERING FLOURSCENT LIGHT BULBS

I FUCK UP THE BOW TWICE AND TRY TO SAY IM NEW AND NOT FROM THIS TOWN (????) AND I BOW TO THE GUY BEFORE WE START

I KEEP BOUNCING LIKE IM DOING BOXING AND KEEP GOING IN A FUCKING CIRCLE AROUND THE GUY FOR A SOLID MINUTE BEFORE THE REF CALLS ME OUT FOR STALLING AND WE RESET

I DO THE SAME SHIT, EVERYTHING IN THE ROOM IS SPINNING, I FEEL LIKE IM AT A TILT-A-WHIRL ATTRACTION, (IM DOUSED IN SWEAT, MY GI IS LITERALLY DRIPPING IN SWEAT)

I CAN BARELY MAKE OUT THE GUY AND HIS SCARY MUSLIM FACE, I TRIPPED OVER AND THE GUY MOVES IN TO TRY AND THROW ME

I TRY TO HIT OSOTO ON HIM (HE WAS BEHIND ME) AND END UP FALLING DIRECTLY ON MY FACE WITH NO BREAKFALL

HE GETS TO MY BACK, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING, I JUST REMEMBER HIM TAKING MY BACK AND PUTTING ME IN A PIN WHERE I THOUGHT HE WAS HUGGING ME SO I EMBRACED HIM AND STARTED TO SPOON HIM

I LOST

I DONT GET UP FROM THE GROUND AND I NEED TO BE LIFTED TO MY FEET BY MY COACH AND THE REF

THE SPORTS MED TEAM ASK ME IF I HAD TAKEN ANYTHING BEFORE COMING THERE AS I LOOK LIKE I JUST JUMPED INTO A POOL FIVE MINUTES BEFORE HAND AND MY EYES ARE LIKE BUTTONS

GET REALLY MAD AND START ASKING WHY THEY'RE ACCUSING ME OF TAKING LSD (THEY DIDNT ASK THAT)

EVERYTHING IS STILL VERY VIVID AND NOW I FEEL LIKE IM PEEING MYSELF (I DIDNT BUT IT FELT LIKE I WAS)

PASS OUT IN THE MEDICAL FOLDING CHAIR AND WAKE UP AT THE LOCAL HOSPITAL
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>>249910
Nah man mexican judo is what you gotta watch out for
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>>250127
Why would someone go on the internet and make up lies?
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>>250171
why would someone go to a judo comp. on acid?
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>>249897
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poHxn1daIXc
>A small judo club with only four members from Kagoshima will compete against gold medalist Natsumi Tsunoda
what the fuck do you even do in this scenario as a 15 year old japanese boy
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Are there judoka who never do hip throws?

Whenever I get taught any judo I really struggle with hip throws. It feels like a 10 step process to awkwardly get your hips into the exact position. It never works for me

Trips feel much easier to do. Drop seo nage feels much easier to do.
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>>250239
>Are there judoka who never do hip throws?
likely
there are judoka who dont do certain throws period.
Im not good st tai otoshi but an good at drop seoi and hip throws
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>>250239
Are you tall? In general hip throws are going to be easier for manlets since you need to get below the opponents center of gravity. Conversely, Lanklets have an advantage doing ashi waza because their leg length gives them more leverage.
>t. Manlet shodan
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>>250366
shodanlet?
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>>250211
I would use THAT or commit sudoku
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>>250211
>what the fuck do you even do in this scenario as a 15 year old japanese boy

Intentionally lose.

Japanese culture has this thing where it's considered inappropriate and disrespectful to make your seniors or superiors look bad by outperforming them, so those boys held back so as to not dishonor themselves or their coach.
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>>250366
He could also have small legs and a big torso, in which case he's completely fucked for Judo.
>>250239
Jk, just get better anon. You're just going to have to muscle into your throws. HanpanTV has a good video on kuzushi for hip throws.
>>250428
I don't think saving face applies here man. That girl is an olympic champion
Still, she did have to use her tomoe nage against those kids....
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>>250529
cool but look at this gif
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>>250532
hit one in randori then
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>>250529
This is the normalcuck NPC response to things. Back in 2005 you could say and do whatever on the internet and you would just get a "lol" from the nerds and based people. Now it's all pearl clutching normals, government, and tik tokked soulless young people getting OFFENDED and trying to BAN everything

It used to be a safe space for nerds to have fun and a wild west. Now it's just like going to your after work drinks. Tame discussion and BE CAREFUL NOT TO SAY ANYTHING against the CURRENT APPROVED OPINION

Also
>omg trump/Elon musk/diddy picked his nose!!!!

Who cares. Internet is ruined
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>>250649
fuck off lol
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>>250649
Fuckin' retard
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>>250649
Fuck you
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>>76935346

Oof. Judo sisters how do we respond???
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>>250954
Anon...your cross-linking reps...
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>>250239
I'm 6'3 and like 90% of my throws are uchi-mata, kek
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>>250158
Judo know if he gonna box or judo know if he gonna brawl!
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>the uchi mata hip pain is back
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>>251355
It started that way for me
turns out my disk slipped. Enjoy the mat while you can anons
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>>251355
>>251410
Here are some thjngsings you can do to ease the pain and even fix it.
First, if your pain gets better during training and worse after a while or the next day this means you probably have a weak core and hips, since it gets better during training thats's because your muscles get activated during training, then what you need to do is to do isometric for your core and hips.
If on the contrary your pain gets worsensuri during training then you can look into the following tests.

-sit straight in a chair and pull yourself down, if this causes pain then you likely have a pinched nerve, then you need to do core exercises.
Do the same test but with a round back, if this causes pain your spinal erectors are weak and need lower back strength and bracing your core properly.

-put your leg in a figure 4 and if your painful leg has more mobility than your non painful side or just have more mobility even with no pain, then you likely have long piriform syndrome and need to strengthen that leg and if its the opposite result you need to stretch that leg more.

Since you mentioned uchi mata im assuming this mean there's pain during uchi mata, first fix your form, you're probably trying to lift them with your leg, get your hips in lower and think of doing a seoi nage while lifting your leg, there shouldn't be any effort in your lifting leg.
Now if your pain is on the side of your lifting leg and that leg has more mobility than the other, then strengthen those hamstrings and hips if you have less mobility theb stretch that leg.

You will likely need to do several of these results.
So do core isometrics, lower back strength, hip exercises and try to match the mobility and strength of both hamstrings.

This one is the most unlikely but if you feel better after resting a few days then do the exercises but with very light weights and low volume, over time increase the weight and volume and abstain from judo for a while, this can be a couple week to a couple months.
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Merry Christmas, /judo/, here's to a lot of ippons in your favor
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The other day a person that recently went to go do the black belt exam at the kodokan and he says weight lifting is a bad idea "every hour spent lifting weights is one less hour training"

Judo will always be second class in the martial arts world until that attitude changes
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>>251571
Literally every competitive judo athlete lifts weights.

4/10 b8 made me respond

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xCK1xbCJtG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zugh7z4ewPs
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8AJc_8y_r8Y
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>>251561
Merry christmas friend
>>251571
that's just one idiot.
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>>249897
There's only one technique that makes redditors seethe like this. Make it your tokui-waza.
https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/1pwcmtz/i_instinctively_did_a_taniotoshi_in_randori_twice/
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Anybody do cross training with no gi jiu jitsu? Wanted to try it but it looked kind of gay and geriatric
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>>252117
>kind of gay and geriatric
Funny that's what everyone doing nogi says about judo
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>>252118
How? Nogi is a serious stepdown from Judo in terms of intensity, older people tend to drop Judo for JJ and Nogi.
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>>252119
Definitely not
Judo is all old guys with pot bellies and crusty feet, nogi is all young guys
Old men always gravitate towards the gi because they need their crutch to hang on to the young guys since their old shitty bodies can't do it alone
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What I need: a black belt in judo
What I won't do: 1 memorize a bunch of unrealistic low percentage meme throws with arbitrary mechanics and definitions for demonstration purposes
2 Kata or belt testing that assesses anything outside of live ability
3 learn historical trivia irrelevant to actual practice
4 participate in watered down bitch ass competitions with no leg grabs

Knowing all that, wat do
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>>252259
>Knowing all that, wat do
Honestly find a different goal because all the stuff you listed is how you get promoted
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>>252259
Why do you want a black belt in judo if you hate everything about judo?
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>>252281
It will give me more credibility when I talk shit online

I went through the long gay process of getting a bjj black belt out of spite alone
Judo has been on the list for almost 10 years now but I absolutely hate judo classes
At least bjj is kind of self aware about how gay and stupid it is, but judo still takes itself too seriously
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>>252282
>It will give me more credibility when I talk shit online
No it won't. If real, I respect how insanely retarded you have to be to believe something like this and actually put in the work, because as far as I know, getting a BJJ black belt is much more of a PITA.
Also
>4 participate in watered down bitch ass competitions with no leg grabs
pic rel
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>>252318
The process of getting the jiujitsu belt is way less gay, it's literally just be good at jiujitsu
Go roll around and if you're getting more submissions than you're giving up you move up in the world
You don't have to go to any promotionals or do katas for judges, or any *groan* written exams

And if you do want to do competitions you have a variety of rules to choose from, it's not going to be this blanket international Olympic shit
>gets knee touched lightly
>Agh ahh noo kano sensei help meeeee!!

A black belt yelled at me for armbaring him in judo class because I'm not a brown belt
So what?
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>>252322
just do sambo
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>>252259
To become a black belt in Judo, you have to present a general knowledge of Judo so if you were put in a situation where you had to teach Judo to newer generations, you could.

Knowing the greater scape of (1) is required, knowing the lesser scape of (3) is helpful, (2) is required. Funny enough (4) isn't that big of something many older Sensis care about because they want you to learn the art of Judo and not so much the sport.

You have to teach Judo to become a black belt, you don't have to go to Internationals, but you do need to know the difference between Hiza Guruma and Sasae.

Also, many Sensis promote based off of observation and subjectivity. If you're not doing good, have an attitude, or don't wish to remember shit, it will only hinder your career in Judo.
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>>252421
Problem is judo has so many things that are a distinction without a difference
Like the nami gyaku kata chokes
There isn't any good reason to define them as something different because of which way your hand is facing, they're functionally identical and you don't even need to grip anything if you don't want to if the grip isn't even required it shouldn't be the defining feature

This is just one example, I've seen loads of redundancies in judo
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>>252427
>Problem is judo has so many things that are a distinction without a difference
That's rich coming from a BJJ guy where every move has 5 different colloquial names with no rhyme or reason behind any of it.
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>>252421
black belt requirements depends entirely on the head instructor and your goals as a judoka. What you're describing though are general requirements.
Some USA Judo schools require testing as a primary. Other schools like competition schools have a heavier focus on your competition success and then there are schools that focus more on the philosphical aspects of judo and just want to spread judo around.
If you dont believe me, to compete at an early kyu rank before brown and you'll meet white belts with like 17 wins multiple golds that are stuck at white belt for some ungodly reason. I even witnessed a guy derank from yellow to white for some reason
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>>252421
>>252432
ive met brown belts that dont even know the kodokan judo book exists. They didnt even know what kuzushi, tsukuri, and kake were. How you rank is entirely dependent on your instructor and goals as a judoka.
Ive also met judoka that just slam the fuck out of their Uke like crazy and never learned to grip properly after a throw
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>>252433
bad schools exist in judo but it's in a completely different vein of "bad schools" in comparison to bjj
A bad Judo school will still be teaching functional, useful and applicable judo.
A bad bjj school will tell you that a 130lb woman can use a double leg and a juji-gatame to stop a 300lb powerlifter from assaulting them is 100% doable
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>>252428
This is a consequence of jiujitsu being evolution minded and results driven
It's not pretending one guy over a 100 years ago figured everything out and now those are the divinely inspired holy techniques that shall never be changed

So yes in jiujitsu you may have people say saddle, 4/11, and honey hole describe the exact same position
But on the other hand judokas don't even have a name for it because it doesn't even exist to them
"If it's not in the book, we ain't gonna learn it"
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>>252454
>This is a consequence of jiujitsu being evolution minded and results driven
Bjj hasn't evolve or show any significant results since the early 2000.
Bjj niggas lives for ever in the 90s coasting off the success of early bjjfags.
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>>250158
I know you're memeing but mexicans have a pretty versatile and aggressive approach to judo the problem is if our government ever support us to actually gets into the big competitions.
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>>250239
You just have to squat lower, that's it, you'll get the position every time if you squat lower.
That said yeah you can just do sweeps.
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>>252259
Compete.
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>>252467
That's only the gi babbies
It's a quick sniff test you can do to see if someone sucks at grappling or not, are they wearing the 19th century japanese pajamas in a western country in the current year

Judo didn't take root in the US the same way it did other places because we already had a robust grappling sport
Then the Brazilians made a name for themselves beating up on strip mall karate masters under their own house rules using basic ass sloppy judo

Fast forward to 2015 when post collegiate wrestlers we're interested in still competing but bjj competitions are the only thing that offer nogi grappling as an adult
Then we find out all it takes to be a medalist on the world stage in bjj is some unremarkable d3 wrestling skills and a positive attitude
Many peolle saw the writing on the wall and here we are, now everyone relevant in jiuiitsu is a scholastic wrestler with some cheeky submissions and everyone left behind are pajama huggers
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>>252454
>This is a consequence of jiujitsu being evolution minded and results driven
No that's the result of 4 different guys all making up random names for the same thing. But somehow this is less triggering for autists.

>But on the other hand judokas don't even have a name for it because it doesn't even exist to them
They do have names for them, otherwise Danaher wouldn't have Japanese terms to steal and butcher the names of them.
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>>252482
Leglocks are 2dedly4u, ya just won't ever learn a damn thing about them in judo
That's why they revolutionized jiujitsu so much because conventional wisdom was literally to ignore 50% of the body
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>>252492
Ironically this led to leglockers that hyperfocus on the legs and ignore the other 50% of the body.
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>>252454
>>252492
>"If it's not in the book, we ain't gonna learn it"
>ya just won't ever learn a damn thing about them in judo
So which is it?
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>>252495
Also true
>>252496
Whichever one supports my position because I only care about results
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Is Ura Nage (suplex) the end all move in grappling?
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>>252565
By removing leg grabs judo has given an unfair advantage to taller athletes as they're able to generate lift from above where as shorter athletes need to generate lift from below
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>>252569
Manlets, when will they EVER learn
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>>252565
https://youtu.be/ORIYstuxYT8?si=TQ4k0aYOEcwFRF3u
That's an ushiro goshi.
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>>252435
Judo isn't working either when the opponent is massively outweighing and out-strenghting you
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Talked to a black belt about how I want a black belt but don't want to learn the stuff and he said he doesn't remember any of it himself

So there we have it, just like highschool Spanish class. He memorized it long enough to pass the test then completely forgot about it
So why even require it in the first place
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>>252565
ushiro-goshi hurts more, that was ushiro goshi in the video btw not ura nage
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>>252826
Stop bitching about it if you don't want to put in the work.
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>thick islander milf grinded against my dick again
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There's a judo black belt who goes to my BJJ sessions. He's wears a no stripe white belt to BJJ and he's a real menace to spar with. He destroys me and I've seen him give a stalemate to 4 stripe blue belts whilst rolling

He says he also hasn't done judo for around 10 years but clearly a lot of the skill has remained..

Is judo ground work really that good to the point this guy is basically giving purple belts a difficult time?
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>>253035
He's good at stalling and holding positions, not at finishing which is what jiujitsu skill is based on
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>>253085
That's pretty accurate lol
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>>252259
You might as well do sambo if you wanna avoid the bureaucracy
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>>253123
The main problem is much like Judo there's a lot of gay workouts at the beginning of class that serve no purpose
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>>253035
The thing about judo groundwork is that when on top they focus on pins similar to wrestling and then get submissions from there, when on the bottom they focus on removing weight off you by shifting the opponent weight.
To clarify this isn't exclusive to judo, bjj guys do it too but bjj tends to focus on scrambles and the bottom guard, scrambles need space for them to move wich means there's less weight on the opponent, since most bjj guys prefer the bottom guard, their top control isn't as effective, thus their defense against it isn't that good either which is why wrestlers tend to beat bjj guys often.

Is not that bjj can't do these things but usually they will focus on scrambles and bottom guard which are both weak against good top pressure and since they aren't that good at top control weight shifting makes escaping or defending from the bottom very easy.
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Is it legal to pull someone's jacket off their shoulder?
Like grip the collar and pull it down so the cap of their shoulder is exposed

I'm looking to bokh the superior grappling sport for grips
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>>253472
You're missing the forest for the trees. Mongolians don't need to pull the gi off of somebody hockey style. They just grab the gi in roughly the same places where they would grab the bokh jacket.
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>>249910
Judo was created by us Black people, it was taken from us by the Portuguese who then taught the Japanese
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