How would you create a martial art that had as it's main purpose to be most effective against UNTRAINED people? Are there any techniques that are useless in a trained context but disproportionally effective when used against untrained people?Kind of like how in chess there are openings that are principally not sound and easily rebuked by people who know how to play chess, but allow you to easily checkmate a complete beginner (like the scholar's mate).
>>251389it would be based on timing counter attacks and exploiting feinting
>>251389By combining the basics of most effective martial arts. Being proficient in the 1-2, the front kick, the single leg, osotogari and the rear naked choke will make you leaps and bounds better than the average joe provided you don't have a massive size disadvantage. Also add: a proper guard and footworkKeyword: proficient. And also constantly training
Now that I really think about it, Silat kind of fits the vibe. If you're trained, half the shit doesn't really work or apply, but if you're against an untrained opponent most of the stuff is very "pain compliance" and demoralizing attacks
Something that relies on reflex or attacking in an unorthodox way or odd areas.
>>251389Yeah, literally any martial art in which you've had some training
That’s just sport bjj. Against trained opponents most sport jiu jitsu goes out the window but against untrained people you can just start doing ridiculous flashy shit and it works because they don’t know what they’re doing. you could literally just pull guard and imanari roll/ bolo them and it works fine.
>>251389Low-power but fast strikes are extremely effective on the untrained (front kicks and jabs, for example). When grappling, know that the only way to get them to stop is choking them out.
>>251389I think boxing already is that. In a street fight the overwhelming majority of untrained people will try to punch you in the face. Boxing teaches you how to defend essentially exclusively against that. You will get good at seeing punches coming and avoiding them. But if your opponent tries literally anything else, like kicking you or going for a takedown, you will be in big trouble. You are not trained to defend any part of your lower body. The power of your punches is based off your footwork so if your opponent gets too close to you or takes you to the ground where you can’t use the same footwork as before you’ll be much weaker. Your only hope will be to knock them out before that happens. Also, the method for punching taught by boxing is strangely wrong. Boxing teaches you to twist your fist while punching. This innovation came after the introduction of gloves and was intended to increase the chance of cutting your opponent’s skin in a sportfight. But in a bareknuckle streetfight, it increases the chance of breaking your hand for no reason. The martial art about only punching does not teach you to punch properly.Boxing *should* be a terrible martial art for self-defense due to its incredibly limited scope, but because its scope is limited to the single most common self-defense scenario out there it’s way better than it has any right to be. I wonder if the ubiquity of punches in a streetfight is universal or just an American or Western thing. In Japan where Karate and Judo used to be taught in schools do you see more kicks and throws in streetfights?
>>255255A boxer with good footwork won’t get taken down by someone in a street fight unless they are bjj experts. Boxing is superior for street fighting because going to the ground or grappling means you will just get jumped by the guys buddies. Avoiding punches and being quick on your feet while being able to throw powerful straight punches is the way.
>>253857Speed is power. If you can strike quickly and with substantial force, you'll be even farther ahead.
>>255351My comment was made because when dealing with trained opponents, a well-timed strong attack is sometimes advantageous (a proper uppercut rather than a jab, for example), but when dealing with the untrained, you can be just as effective with less power. Most untrained people don't even know how to properly brace for impact (they won't clench their jaw or strengthen their core).
>>251394Wise post
>>251389Gun ownership
Headbutts are the first thing that spring to mind when I hear "disproportionately effective". Basically takes no skill in terms of technique or execution but can have devastating effects.
