[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/xs/ - Extreme Sports

Name
Options
Comment
Verification
4chan Pass users can bypass this verification. [Learn More] [Login]
File
  • Please read the Rules and FAQ before posting.

08/21/20New boards added: /vrpg/, /vmg/, /vst/ and /vm/
05/04/17New trial board added: /bant/ - International/Random
10/04/16New board for 4chan Pass users: /vip/ - Very Important Posts
[Hide] [Show All]


[Advertise on 4chan]


Jiu-Jitsu General: Coincidence? I think not edition

>Daily deals https://www.bjjhq.com

>Instructionals https://www.bilibili.com

>Smoothcomp https://smoothcomp.com (not sure why we post this)

>Belt Checker https://www.beltchecker.com (back online)

>Thread topic
In light of the mass rape and child SA scandals happening every other week at the very top of the sport the only way forward is to drop the whole "Brazilian" thing
BJJ is too tainted to continue

Previous: >>243740
>>
>>255181
>drop the whole "Brazilian" thing
My gym dropped it years ago. No OSS, no acai, no brazil, just "Jiu jitsu".
>>
Think it's worth joining a gym if I can only make classes twice a week? It's a Gracie Barra close to my work.
>>
>>255303
I don't think once a week would be enough (unless you're maybe just maintaining some already built-up experience), but twice a week sounds doable to me. I train gi 3x week, no-gi 2x week, and kickboxing 2x week. I'm improving at kickboxing more slowly but the improvement is definitely there.
>>
>>255303
I don't think gracie barra is worth going to period
>>
>>255303
Ive been going once a week for 2 years now, and i still suck ass, but im having fun so idk. Im better than when i started but progress is for sure very slow
>>
>>255305
I started off training once a week and could learn concepts like escaping mount, retaining guard and doing simple submissions. You will want to learn faster though so you'll probably end up going more.

If you do anything once a week you'll learn more than if you never did it
>>
>>255181
More like rape jutsu lmao
>>
>>255307
Why not? This one seems pretty legit, good reputation, lots of comp success.
>>
>>255331
It's a franchise so it can't be good, very high probability theyre going to hit you with a long term contract that has a hugh cancelation fee, and they'll make you buy all their apparel because you're only allowed to wear their branded stuff there
If you decide you don't like jiujitsu you're gonna have like $500 of gracie barra branded shit you were forced to buy and nobody will want
>>
>>255334
I mean they do month to month for 120 CAD for Muay Thai and BJJ (though I'm only interested in BJJ) which is not bad for my area based on what I've seen. Also a free gi when I sign up
>>
>>255335
Now I'm detecting red flags totally in the other direction lol
When you see cheap, no contract, free give aways that tells me their retention is poor
Do they even have a black belt working there?
>>
>>255345
They have a couple black belts, and the lead coach had a successful comp career before opening the school. The location is nice, and it's a pretty sizeable school.
>>
>Favourite submission
>Are you racist?

Americana from everywhere.
Yes.
>>
>>254766
Yup. The audience will be at the edge of their seats as you try to pass a guys half-guard while he stalls
>>
Have you ever gotten hard during a roll? Just rolled nogi with someone wearing the tightest rashguard around her D cups. I swear she does it on purpose.
>>
>>255399
Well if I were to direct it I would do a set of spectacular takedown attempts that are foiled until it ends in a body lock takedown, then quickly going through the positions such as passing guard, side control, kesa getame for example and then finishing with a couple of subs being escaped maybe even a sweep that ends in a final sub.

It can be interesting just has to be fast paced no stalling
>>
>>255400
There was a Korean girl doing butterfly guard to me and nestled my bulge right between her feet, and then later was on my back and did it with the hooks
>>
1st ibjjf competiton this week end, lost gi and nogi 1st round. I'm complete trash. I feel like i don't belong in this sports, i'm 1 year and a half in, on steroids and lost vs people with 6 to 9 months of time in.

Couldn't do shit, was on defense all the time i can't attack for shit and my defense is swiss cheese given how much holes it has in it.

Even in sparring, i never win against anyone who isn't a brand new white belt. Smaller than me with who joined at the same time ? Get tapped or just survive for 5 minutes but can't put them in any sort of danger. Bigger than me ? Can't survive 5 minutes, i will get tapped at least one or two times.

I feel like trash and feel like i'm a complete waste of time and energy and should quit. Legit angry and sad about myself.
>>
>>255417
Stop masturbating

Stop playing videogames
>>
>>255417
You focus too much on taps. Set better milestones.
Also at this level BJJ is complete chaos anyway. It takes a while to actually get a proper game plan. A few months more experience means little.
Honestly pick better milestones outside of you tapping or getting tapped. Learn simple concepts like why underhooks are important or why to never extend your elbows in a bad position.
>>
What kind of hip tosses and trips and whatnot get taught in bjj? I want to take up judo but only bjj classes are near me.
>>
I have been trying out Octopus Guard for the past few weeks and it is genuinely the most fun bottom position there is.
Really feels like a "crossroads" position where I have many opportunities to get into and various paths to go from. Getting into the position isn't too hard and the basic defense is pretty solid. My biggest issue right now is sweeping and attacking from it but so far it really added a lot to my rolls.
>>
>>255474
I heard it varies whether they teach standup at all, but the places I go to have taught me stuff like

Single legs, double legs, seio nage, hip toss, collar drag, uchi Mata, outside trip, body lock dump

Now the issue is you will probably be drilling these with minimum resistance. It's up to you to ask your partners if they want to start standing in sparring so you can try these things out and see what works and what just gets you guillotined. Another issue I find is even if you get a single leg sometimes the other person just flops to the floor and pulls guard.

I find no gi you are more likely to learn more wrestling and standup and do light standup sparring as mandatory
>>
>>255387
Kimura from modified mount
Yes
>>
>>255417
Kys + quit the sport it's not meant for you
>>
Takedowns are hard
>>
do you guys remember that story i think it was in the 50's where some gracies or jiu jitsu guys trapped a luta livre master and broke his arm with an iron bar? i remember reading something like this i swear i'm not crazy, i researched it everywhere but couldn't find anything, feels like i'm getting gaslighted
>>
How many sweeps do you need to know from every position?

Is it preferable to know loads or just truly master one?
>>
>>255515
Rufino dos santos
>>
>>255524
Sweeping is a concept not a technique
A sweep is achieved when you cause someone's upper body to tip beyond the center of gravity on their lower body
If someone is upright with their hips under their head they can't be swept, you need to disrupt that so their head is over the floor and not their hips

Secondary concept, they will then post with a limb to stop from toppling over, so secure the limbs on the side of the body you intend to tip them to so they can't block it

I know this is an obvious simplification but if you think of a sweep in terms of meeting these 2 conditions and not a set of techniques you'll have success

>>255474
You'll superficially learn all the basic ones but not learn how to actually do them because bjj class you'll just rep the finish with a compliant partner the whole time and spend 0% of your time practicing the setup under live pressure which is where the skills actually materialize
BJJ stand up typically is Kung fu tier as far as realism goes
>>
>>255543
God bless you, anon
>>
How many sessions do you typically get through before you have to take time off due to an injury?
>>
>>255331
The individual franchise might be good, but GB is known for sketchy business practices - long term contracts, forcing you to buy their merch to train, etc - and that's not something the coach can do much about, because it's coming from the corporate hq
>>
>>255387
Hard one, mostly because I suck and hardly ever get a submission period. I love front headlocks in concept, but hardly ever hit them. Kimura is cool, so are ankle locks. The one I can get semi-consistently is the ol' reliable ezekiel

Only against the Indian subcontinent
>>
>>255584
Work on it (the subs and the racism)
>>
>>255553
This is basically the best general advice on sweeps.
I had a lot of moments during sparring where I ended up sweeping opponents and didn't actually know how I did it step by step. You get a feeling for it when your opponent is off balance but there are also concepts to help you.
When in Closed Guard, getting the opponent's elbow across the center line, opens up a lot of attacks like sweeps or potential back takes. Sweeps are great to combo into other types of attacks. I often go for a Hip Bump Sweep and immediately follow it up with trying to get a Kimura if the opponent blocks the sweep. This also works in reverse when the opponent postures up after a Kimura attempt and you get a Hip Bump Sweep.
>>
Do some people avoid open guards altogether?

The only thing I'm comfortable with doing is closed guard. All the open guards seem like a lot of work for the same outcome as closed guard
>>
>>255647
Closed guard is not fundemental
>>
>>
>>255697
Always fun to see this faggot lose
What is he 1-4 in this promotion? When are they gonna release him?
>>
valentine's day open mat a little depressing. all dudes and one cute girl
>>
Why are so many beginners insecure about being beginners? I am not judging them but like what do they expect when tapping to someone who has been training for 7 years and has a 20kg advantage?
It's not the end of the world. Just show up and you will get better.
>>
>>255735
Thank you. I needed this

Have some Reddit gold, kind stranger.
>>
>>255181
i am someone that is just discovering martial arts, i see people hate a lot the Gracie family, why is that?
>>
Does BJJ work against ghosts?
>>
>>255181
>no more bjj
>just jj
kek bjj tards btfo
>>
>>255583
that's literally any school with the name gracie
the entire martial art is tied to a family of scam artists
>>
That's funny because in brazil it has always been just jiujitsu.
>>
>>255747
THANKS FOR THE GOLD!

Edit: Oh my god, thanks for the likes guys!
Edit 2: I never got this many likes on a comment!
>>
>>255749
>be on 4chan
>wonder why people say "popular thing le bad"
hmmm
>>
>>255776
Are you under the impression the gracies are popular? Nobody likes them
>>
>>255749
They arent good people. Do your research bjj isnt an original martial art.
The gracies also have a long criminal tracj record
many people dont like them for a variety of reasons a big one being that they think the track record the gracies have encourages poor behavior in the martial art

the gracies also have a massive history if talking insane amounts of trash and then never being able to back it up(see sakuraba vs the main gracie family members, he broke their arms and brutally beat them.)
the gracies also do not take losing evry well at the early days of the art when they lost they cornered the wrestler in an alley and broke his arm and legs
>>
>>255791
they arent good people, arent good for the sport and their schools are usually ass and copy paste of each other
the family is one big scam artist unit
>>
>>255792
what they also do is take other peoples students and promote them to black so they can have more black belts on their record. or they'll hire black belts from other schools and claim them as their own to again have more black belts beneath them.
the gracies are notorious for this.
massive chance that at a gracie school if you're instrutcor says "im a blakc belt under X gracie" they're lying and got it from some no name but were hired by a gracie to run that school. why? because it sounds good.
Not many people are gonna trust the guy who has 1 or 2 black belts underhim but the guy with hundreds even low double digits, absolutely
>>
>>255793
the martial arts world is incredibly small and be big as corrupt as you want it to be
>>
>>255794
my judo instructor has 62 black belts and only one of them isnt home grown
id rather train under that than someone who has to pay to have a black belt under them
>>
>>255793

and the only deal for accepting this?
you get to use the name gracie for your school and say you're a black belt under renzo or someshit. You still have to pay THEM for using the name on top of the facility you're renting
>>
>>255749
They had the right idea with JJ, but the family as a whole is... not good.
Both in the sense that they're not great people and in the sense that they're bad for the sport - contrast the IJF and IBJJF and how they run their stuff.
(I genuinely hope IJF would embrace BJJ and nogi rulesets as separate disciplines of the same sport, which it effectively is, so that we would have a competent governing body, and because it would really shit in a few people's cereal)
>>
File: gr.png (385 KB, 621x879)
385 KB
385 KB PNG
new Ryan files dropped
>>
Where were the Gracies when aliens attacked Brazil in the 70s? They wanted to prove that their jiu-jitsu worked in the real world, right? Was that not a perfect opportunity? Why didn’t they take it?
>>
>>255803
i think he's weird and dumb but probably not a predator
>>
>>255803
Wow i can't wait to discuss the new gossip with my girlfriends!
>>
So I've been training for a couple of months and always try to warm up with drilling single leg from a standing position

It always feels so slow. It takes me like 2 seconds to level change, drop down, slide my foot across and then stand back up. Also when I try this around the house it fucking hurts even on carpet

Are single legs that slow, am I doing something wrong? Obviously I can never pull this off in sparring. Unless I grab their leg from the clinch

Or is shooting for singles just something you can't learn as an adult.
>>
>>255837
FORGET SHOOTING
EMBRACE THE TECHNIQUES OF YOUR ANCESTORS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRi94zwJq8
>>
>>255837
Who is telling you to shoot in jiujitsu?
>>
>>255841
Everyone
>>
>>255845
They're full of beans and just trying to copy what they see people do in wrestling
Well wackity schmackity doo if I copy what they do then I'll be good too!

Except they are doing a totally different sport
In wrestling the stance is much lower with the legs further back so you need a more explosive penetration to get access to them, We are much more upright
They lose points for stepping out of bounds so they can't just run backwards infinitely like we can in jiujitsu
They are awarded for amplitude of their takedowns so they need to generate a big lift, we aren't and we don't. Clumsily tripping or dragging someone to the ground with no impact at all scores the same as the biggest throw you could muster
And finally they wear shoes and we don't so they are capable of generating a huge amount more explosive drive much faster than we can

Your take down's in jiujitsu should be based off of arm drags, Body locks, Trips, and snatches
We aren't wrestling so stop wrestling

If you must model yourself after wrestlers look at Greco not folkstyle



[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.