>>255181
>drop the whole "Brazilian" thing
My gym dropped it years ago. No OSS, no acai, no brazil, just "Jiu jitsu".

Think it's worth joining a gym if I can only make classes twice a week? It's a Gracie Barra close to my work.

>>255303
I don't think once a week would be enough (unless you're maybe just maintaining some already built-up experience), but twice a week sounds doable to me. I train gi 3x week, no-gi 2x week, and kickboxing 2x week. I'm improving at kickboxing more slowly but the improvement is definitely there.

>>255303
I don't think gracie barra is worth going to period

>>255303
Ive been going once a week for 2 years now, and i still suck ass, but im having fun so idk. Im better than when i started but progress is for sure very slow

>>255305
I started off training once a week and could learn concepts like escaping mount, retaining guard and doing simple submissions. You will want to learn faster though so you'll probably end up going more.

If you do anything once a week you'll learn more than if you never did it

>>255181
More like rape jutsu lmao

>>255307
Why not? This one seems pretty legit, good reputation, lots of comp success.

>>255331
It's a franchise so it can't be good, very high probability theyre going to hit you with a long term contract that has a hugh cancelation fee, and they'll make you buy all their apparel because you're only allowed to wear their branded stuff there
If you decide you don't like jiujitsu you're gonna have like $500 of gracie barra branded shit you were forced to buy and nobody will want

>>255334
I mean they do month to month for 120 CAD for Muay Thai and BJJ (though I'm only interested in BJJ) which is not bad for my area based on what I've seen. Also a free gi when I sign up

>>255335
Now I'm detecting red flags totally in the other direction lol
When you see cheap, no contract, free give aways that tells me their retention is poor
Do they even have a black belt working there?

>>255345
They have a couple black belts, and the lead coach had a successful comp career before opening the school. The location is nice, and it's a pretty sizeable school.

>Favourite submission
>Are you racist?

Americana from everywhere.
Yes.

>>254766
Yup. The audience will be at the edge of their seats as you try to pass a guys half-guard while he stalls

Have you ever gotten hard during a roll? Just rolled nogi with someone wearing the tightest rashguard around her D cups. I swear she does it on purpose.

>>255399
Well if I were to direct it I would do a set of spectacular takedown attempts that are foiled until it ends in a body lock takedown, then quickly going through the positions such as passing guard, side control, kesa getame for example and then finishing with a couple of subs being escaped maybe even a sweep that ends in a final sub.

It can be interesting just has to be fast paced no stalling

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>>255400
There was a Korean girl doing butterfly guard to me and nestled my bulge right between her feet, and then later was on my back and did it with the hooks

1st ibjjf competiton this week end, lost gi and nogi 1st round. I'm complete trash. I feel like i don't belong in this sports, i'm 1 year and a half in, on steroids and lost vs people with 6 to 9 months of time in.

Couldn't do shit, was on defense all the time i can't attack for shit and my defense is swiss cheese given how much holes it has in it.

Even in sparring, i never win against anyone who isn't a brand new white belt. Smaller than me with who joined at the same time ? Get tapped or just survive for 5 minutes but can't put them in any sort of danger. Bigger than me ? Can't survive 5 minutes, i will get tapped at least one or two times.

I feel like trash and feel like i'm a complete waste of time and energy and should quit. Legit angry and sad about myself.

>>255417
Stop masturbating

Stop playing videogames

>>255417
You focus too much on taps. Set better milestones.
Also at this level BJJ is complete chaos anyway. It takes a while to actually get a proper game plan. A few months more experience means little.
Honestly pick better milestones outside of you tapping or getting tapped. Learn simple concepts like why underhooks are important or why to never extend your elbows in a bad position.

What kind of hip tosses and trips and whatnot get taught in bjj? I want to take up judo but only bjj classes are near me.

I have been trying out Octopus Guard for the past few weeks and it is genuinely the most fun bottom position there is.
Really feels like a "crossroads" position where I have many opportunities to get into and various paths to go from. Getting into the position isn't too hard and the basic defense is pretty solid. My biggest issue right now is sweeping and attacking from it but so far it really added a lot to my rolls.

>>255474
I heard it varies whether they teach standup at all, but the places I go to have taught me stuff like

Single legs, double legs, seio nage, hip toss, collar drag, uchi Mata, outside trip, body lock dump

Now the issue is you will probably be drilling these with minimum resistance. It's up to you to ask your partners if they want to start standing in sparring so you can try these things out and see what works and what just gets you guillotined. Another issue I find is even if you get a single leg sometimes the other person just flops to the floor and pulls guard.

I find no gi you are more likely to learn more wrestling and standup and do light standup sparring as mandatory

>>255387
Kimura from modified mount
Yes

>>255417
Kys + quit the sport it's not meant for you

Takedowns are hard

do you guys remember that story i think it was in the 50's where some gracies or jiu jitsu guys trapped a luta livre master and broke his arm with an iron bar? i remember reading something like this i swear i'm not crazy, i researched it everywhere but couldn't find anything, feels like i'm getting gaslighted

How many sweeps do you need to know from every position?

Is it preferable to know loads or just truly master one?

>>255515
Rufino dos santos

>>255524
Sweeping is a concept not a technique
A sweep is achieved when you cause someone's upper body to tip beyond the center of gravity on their lower body
If someone is upright with their hips under their head they can't be swept, you need to disrupt that so their head is over the floor and not their hips

Secondary concept, they will then post with a limb to stop from toppling over, so secure the limbs on the side of the body you intend to tip them to so they can't block it

I know this is an obvious simplification but if you think of a sweep in terms of meeting these 2 conditions and not a set of techniques you'll have success

>>255474
You'll superficially learn all the basic ones but not learn how to actually do them because bjj class you'll just rep the finish with a compliant partner the whole time and spend 0% of your time practicing the setup under live pressure which is where the skills actually materialize
BJJ stand up typically is Kung fu tier as far as realism goes

>>255543
God bless you, anon

How many sessions do you typically get through before you have to take time off due to an injury?

>>255331
The individual franchise might be good, but GB is known for sketchy business practices - long term contracts, forcing you to buy their merch to train, etc - and that's not something the coach can do much about, because it's coming from the corporate hq

>>255387
Hard one, mostly because I suck and hardly ever get a submission period. I love front headlocks in concept, but hardly ever hit them. Kimura is cool, so are ankle locks. The one I can get semi-consistently is the ol' reliable ezekiel

Only against the Indian subcontinent

>>255584
Work on it (the subs and the racism)

>>255553
This is basically the best general advice on sweeps.
I had a lot of moments during sparring where I ended up sweeping opponents and didn't actually know how I did it step by step. You get a feeling for it when your opponent is off balance but there are also concepts to help you.
When in Closed Guard, getting the opponent's elbow across the center line, opens up a lot of attacks like sweeps or potential back takes. Sweeps are great to combo into other types of attacks. I often go for a Hip Bump Sweep and immediately follow it up with trying to get a Kimura if the opponent blocks the sweep. This also works in reverse when the opponent postures up after a Kimura attempt and you get a Hip Bump Sweep.

Do some people avoid open guards altogether?

The only thing I'm comfortable with doing is closed guard. All the open guards seem like a lot of work for the same outcome as closed guard

>>255647
Closed guard is not fundemental

>>255697
Always fun to see this faggot lose
What is he 1-4 in this promotion? When are they gonna release him?

valentine's day open mat a little depressing. all dudes and one cute girl

Why are so many beginners insecure about being beginners? I am not judging them but like what do they expect when tapping to someone who has been training for 7 years and has a 20kg advantage?
It's not the end of the world. Just show up and you will get better.

>>255735
Thank you. I needed this

Have some Reddit gold, kind stranger.

>>255181
i am someone that is just discovering martial arts, i see people hate a lot the Gracie family, why is that?

Does BJJ work against ghosts?

>>255181
>no more bjj
>just jj
kek bjj tards btfo

>>255583
that's literally any school with the name gracie
the entire martial art is tied to a family of scam artists

That's funny because in brazil it has always been just jiujitsu.

>>255747
THANKS FOR THE GOLD!

Edit: Oh my god, thanks for the likes guys!
Edit 2: I never got this many likes on a comment!

>>255749
>be on 4chan
>wonder why people say "popular thing le bad"
hmmm

>>255776
Are you under the impression the gracies are popular? Nobody likes them

>>255749
They arent good people. Do your research bjj isnt an original martial art.
The gracies also have a long criminal tracj record
many people dont like them for a variety of reasons a big one being that they think the track record the gracies have encourages poor behavior in the martial art

the gracies also have a massive history if talking insane amounts of trash and then never being able to back it up(see sakuraba vs the main gracie family members, he broke their arms and brutally beat them.)
the gracies also do not take losing evry well at the early days of the art when they lost they cornered the wrestler in an alley and broke his arm and legs

>>255791
they arent good people, arent good for the sport and their schools are usually ass and copy paste of each other
the family is one big scam artist unit

>>255792
what they also do is take other peoples students and promote them to black so they can have more black belts on their record. or they'll hire black belts from other schools and claim them as their own to again have more black belts beneath them.
the gracies are notorious for this.
massive chance that at a gracie school if you're instrutcor says "im a blakc belt under X gracie" they're lying and got it from some no name but were hired by a gracie to run that school. why? because it sounds good.
Not many people are gonna trust the guy who has 1 or 2 black belts underhim but the guy with hundreds even low double digits, absolutely

>>255793
the martial arts world is incredibly small and be big as corrupt as you want it to be

>>255794
my judo instructor has 62 black belts and only one of them isnt home grown
id rather train under that than someone who has to pay to have a black belt under them

>>255793

and the only deal for accepting this?
you get to use the name gracie for your school and say you're a black belt under renzo or someshit. You still have to pay THEM for using the name on top of the facility you're renting

>>255749
They had the right idea with JJ, but the family as a whole is... not good.
Both in the sense that they're not great people and in the sense that they're bad for the sport - contrast the IJF and IBJJF and how they run their stuff.
(I genuinely hope IJF would embrace BJJ and nogi rulesets as separate disciplines of the same sport, which it effectively is, so that we would have a competent governing body, and because it would really shit in a few people's cereal)

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Where were the Gracies when aliens attacked Brazil in the 70s? They wanted to prove that their jiu-jitsu worked in the real world, right? Was that not a perfect opportunity? Why didn’t they take it?

>>255803
i think he's weird and dumb but probably not a predator

>>255803
Wow i can't wait to discuss the new gossip with my girlfriends!

So I've been training for a couple of months and always try to warm up with drilling single leg from a standing position

It always feels so slow. It takes me like 2 seconds to level change, drop down, slide my foot across and then stand back up. Also when I try this around the house it fucking hurts even on carpet

Are single legs that slow, am I doing something wrong? Obviously I can never pull this off in sparring. Unless I grab their leg from the clinch

Or is shooting for singles just something you can't learn as an adult.

>>255837
FORGET SHOOTING
EMBRACE THE TECHNIQUES OF YOUR ANCESTORS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRi94zwJq8

>>255837
Who is telling you to shoot in jiujitsu?

>>255841
Everyone

>>255845
They're full of beans and just trying to copy what they see people do in wrestling
Well wackity schmackity doo if I copy what they do then I'll be good too!

Except they are doing a totally different sport
In wrestling the stance is much lower with the legs further back so you need a more explosive penetration to get access to them, We are much more upright
They lose points for stepping out of bounds so they can't just run backwards infinitely like we can in jiujitsu
They are awarded for amplitude of their takedowns so they need to generate a big lift, we aren't and we don't. Clumsily tripping or dragging someone to the ground with no impact at all scores the same as the biggest throw you could muster
And finally they wear shoes and we don't so they are capable of generating a huge amount more explosive drive much faster than we can

Your take down's in jiujitsu should be based off of arm drags, Body locks, Trips, and snatches
We aren't wrestling so stop wrestling

If you must model yourself after wrestlers look at Greco not folkstyle

i love jiu jitsu and i have so much fun with it!

>>255852
Wholesome

>>255852
He said , two minutes before his spine herniated

>>255417
stop competing for a while until you formulate a game plan and have an answer from every position that is muscle memory
then sign up for a local tournament like a fuji or grapple industries
IBJJF tends to attract the more serious competitors so no surprises that you would lose desu I went to a local tournament and got an ex professional athlete, you just get bad luck in this shit and competing is kind of ass anyway

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>>255803
Is it fucking time for Daddy Wiltse to make a new video?

>>255904
White belt tournaments are a meme. One guy at my gym went to one and his first opponent was literally a Dagestani™ who did wrestling since he was 5.

>>255387
any sort of head and arm. arm triangle, darce, ruotolotine
i love jews black white etc

>>255935
>ruotolotine
Please don't call it that. Its just a classic American sleeper hold your dad has been doing since the 70s

>>255936
arm in rear naked sounds stupid and telling someone im gonna choke them like their dad did is kind of a no go with all the sports current allegations

>>255181
i've got the logo on the back of my fishing pants, what does it mean?
>>255303
if you're training hard, 2 classes a week is good

>>255953
The international sumbol for man boy love

>>255181
>drop the whole "Brazilian" thing

That makes it sound like diddling is a Brazilian thing

>>255987
They didn't invent diddling but they perfected it

Realistically how good should someone be after 100 hours training?

>>255996
At least 27

In a self defence situation would you kick someone's knees/shins from guard?

>>255181
>ex gf dating 6'3 balding mongoloid
I like Muay Thai better but tf is my little shit gonna do if that nigga blitzes me? is training at world renowned bjj gym 10m from me my best bet? they have kickboxing to but I just wonder how you guys manage strikes or distance in an actual scuffle
for context i'm 5'7 155 but like im ballooned up from 130, super small frame and just been weightlifting for last two years. I want hit 175-185 weight wise but it's gonna be a mission without roids atp i'm already extremely muscular

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>>255181
put the b back in the bjj before I blow this whole shit up

these niggas were and still are the only ones that make this sport cool, all the hard ball brazilians are what made this shit cool. if any of you niggas got into this shit from mikey or gordon, leave. All the juice heads are based - Rocha especially.

>>256017
try not pulling guard when you get in a fight this isnt the simpsons

>>256037
Lmfao

>>255996
I need an answer to this question

>>256040
Yes

>>256035
You're Brazilian, know how I know? Because nobody who isn't Brazilian admires anything about Brazilians

>>255996
better than before you put in 100 hours

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>>256034
>I like Muay Thai better but tf is my little shit gonna do if that nigga blitzes me?
simply heem him

Will the gi shrink if I put it on an electric drying rack

>>256050
you're brazilian as well, you write english with the portuguese syntax
t. preto macaco

My experiences with BJJ (Gracie), during my first month, coming from a JKS karate purple belt (8 years of training):

Despite not knowing how to pass guards, I know some finishes, like classic armlocks, the Americana, and the rear choke—really basic stuff. I say this from my experience, but from what I saw, there is hardly any consistent drilling. Most of what you learn is simply rolling, in a “free-for-all” way.

You learn some standard techniques, then you do some 5-minute rolls (which, if you are a white belt, are completely useless—and I’ll explain why). One day you’re learning how to pass the guard, the next day you’re learning a sacrifice takedown, then you have leg techniques. In my experience, there are too many unrelated techniques. For a white belt, it would be better to learn the real, true, raw basics.

Here comes the comparison: like how I learned in karate. Of course, I say this based on what I find the most pleasant and easiest way to learn, but you get the point. You start in position A, which opens a range of possibilities that can evolve into different locks and other positions, both for the attacker and the defender. In this drilling motion, a flow state makes it easier to associate the movements with muscle memory. With fast-paced, repetitive movements, it becomes easier and more intuitive to learn.

In karate, it was drilling, drilling, and more drilling—hardly any fighting. And now I know why most white belt fights are completely awful. And I mean it—absolutely horrendous. There is no technique whatsoever; only brute force counts when you’re a white belt.

Well, now I know why so many people are attracted to BJJ. In most of my rolls, the opponents relied on their weight advantage to get tight top pressure, which they would hold for two very impressive minutes. That amounted to absolutely nothing of value being learned.

>>256169
That’s why I prefer not to roll with white belts. I leave that for purple belts and above; they are very eager to teach, and I enjoy their patience. I much prefer drilling if I train with white belts.

Apart from this, one thing that makes me uncomfortable is the risk of injuries. A guy started training a few days after I joined, and two weeks in, he broke his foot. What the fuck? How does someone break his foot while training as a white belt? That’s what I’m saying. I don’t know what these guys have in their minds (well, I do—it’s shit) to go so hard while training. You’re not going to a world championship. We’re training for fun, for leisure. Stop going full mayhem on everybody.

This is another thing I encountered: the amount of outright violent and truculent guys who do BJJ is abysmal. Not even counting the insecure and passive-aggressive ones. Jeez.

>>256171
One thing that impressed me was how my teacher was an absolute douche when teaching some stuff. He made some gay jokes when we were training grappling while standing, which at the time made me feel SO MUCH SHAME. WHAT THE FUCK. THIS IS A JIU-JITSU ACADEMY. It was the last place I expected to hear a joke about “guys hugging themselves.” You know what I mean? Like, what the fuck.

Then he came with some passive-aggressive stuff. First, it started with him being a little too harsh when showing some chokes. My training partner got one drill wrong, and he took it out on me. Fuck my life. I brushed it off.

Later, he did the gay joke. Then, another day, he did something even more aggressive and, in my perspective, an outright threat. He was showing how to do a triangle when the opponent is standing and you are on the ground, and he said, “He’s gonna try to stand to leave the triangle. He won’t be able to. He’s going to punch the ribs. He’s choking. Then he’s out,” all while looking straight into my motherfucking eyes.

L M F A O? What the fuck?

Anyway, I don’t know what to say to continue. I was so baffled at the moment that I just… what the fuck. I kind of dissociated a bit. Like… what? Is this really happening? Did the teacher just threaten me? What the fuck.

>>256172
Well, the “cultish” behavior of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu I didn’t really see, but I understand why there are so many violent and authoritarian guys in Jiu-Jitsu. It’s the nature of the martial art. It is warfare based on complete domination and submission of the enemy. There is no mercy, no pity. I see guys actually enjoy dominating others just for the sake of humiliating them.
I think one the things that makes them not understand me is how i don't commit to most of my fights, how i'm calm and nonchalant to the situation i'm in, when i get choked or in a lock, i simply tap and have a complete indifferent look in my face, maybe most expect frustration but i just don't give a fuck...
This is becoming my diary, but one thing that I noticed was how I made some guys insecure. I started noticing this when many guys became passive-aggressive, even though I outright don’t do or say fuck all to them. It annoys me a lot. I wish I could find it funny, but it’s more of an annoyance than anything. Anyways, that's it.
Thoughts?

>>256169
>For a white belt, it would be better to learn the real, true, raw basics.

I've been training for a few months now and still mainly lost and most of what I'm learning is a waste of time because the fundamentals aren't really taught, not even in fundamentals class

>>256172
>oh no, a gay joke in my martial arts gym!
>he writes in a post on 4chan
please be AI slop, if not grow some thicker skin man

>>256169
>One day you’re learning how to pass the guard, the next day you’re learning a sacrifice takedown, then you have leg techniques
Sign of a poor gym and a lazy coach. Good gyms usually follow some sort of curriculum - even if there isn't some sort of long term plan, there should be at least "blocks" a few weeks long with specific focus. At my gym, for example, we just started such block focused solely on body lock passing and I expect it will last at least another month as all the positions and variations are explored. Before that it was octopus guard, before that it was back control and escapes, before that mount and escapes, before that side control. Not exactly a super coherent curriculum, but within each block, we spent enough time to actually understand the position, its variations and its nuances

>>256169
>>256171
>>256172
>>256173
no offense but you sound sort of gay and retarded. also
>A guy started training a few days after I joined, and two weeks in, he broke his foot
very well couldve been his fault. i had a trial class guy explode his own knee drilling an open guard pass after i told him three times socks on the mat were a bad idea. white belts being the most dangerous people on the mats and theyre not limited to hurting others
>>256185
>weeks of octopus guard
lol

>>256215
>>weeks of octopus guard
I don't know how long it was, since I couldn't train for like two months, but I'd guess it was maybe three weeks, twice a week for that particular class, probably by popular demand if I had to guess

>>256216
craigs general. (formerly gordons)

What is a good way to enter octopus guard when your opponent has you in side control?
I got it to work a few times but this was more because the opponent's outside arm was already in a position for me to switch there. Which escape attempt is the best setup so I can follow up with octopus guard?

>>255553
>You'll superficially learn all the basic ones but not learn how to actually do them because bjj class you'll just rep the finish with a compliant partner the whole time and spend 0% of your time practicing the setup under live pressure which is where the skills actually materialize
BJJ stand up typically is Kung fu tier as far as realism goes
Judo and Wrestling surely are better martial arts than BJJ in terms of takedowns, however that doesn't mean that BJJ won't teach you good takedowns at all. Normally rolls start sitting down, however, some gyms when there is a competition coming will make the rolls start standing up and teach you the best setups for takedowns. What you are saying really depends a lot on the gym.

Can you shove your elbow into someones eyeball to force a reaction?

A higher belt let me high mount him and then just tucked his chin in and did a protected his neck with his hands and I didn't know how to sub him from there

>>256271
It's a bit of a dick move, but dragging your forearm against their face isn't necessarily illegal. But if you do it in training, only do it sparingly and not very hard, being an asshole to your training partners isn't very productive. And actually aiming for their eyeball is a very good way to get your ass beat

>>256271
Mother's milk.
There is always shit you can do. Alternatively you can just put your hand on his mouth which is a bit of a dick move but perfectly fine. Though there is always a way to target the elbows in top mount. Worse case you just go back to side control. You can catch a d'arce here if he tries to recover. If he remains static just go north south.

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jitsheads, explain yourselves. what the hell is this?

>>256271
This is why everyone hates white belts
Because people will allow themselves to be put into bad positions so they can practice things they're not so good at and the white belt thinks "hmm..should I cause this guy physical pain now??"

>>256283
Well that's why I'm asking. I don't know how the game is played. Im sitting there in high mount and he's winded his neck in and crossing his arms so I can't do anything. A black belt told me you can cause pain to force a reaction if someone is being defensive.

I can get bicep sliced or rib crushed or knee on bellied to force a reaction, but I can't crush his face/neck? Doesn't make sense. But I thought I'd ask because I don't know the etiquette of things. One minute I have someone twisting my fingers off to get out of a guillotine, the next minute I have someone telling me to "watch out for the fingers" when I try to do the same.

>>256297
>A black belt told me you can cause pain to force a reaction if someone is being defensive.
This implies pressure to the neck mostly like framing against the neck when you are in someone's side control or doing a cross face/paper cutter when you have someone in side control for example.

You are absolutely allowed to pressure various points but some are discouraged or outright illegal. The reason for this is just the increased risk of injury and how sensitive these areas are.
Anything regarding eyes is pretty much banned.
When it comes to fingers you are allowed to hold onto them if you grab all or all excluding the thumb.
Pulling on someone's inside cheek (fish hooking) with your fingers is also banned.
You can crush someone's neck as long as you don't do movements that fuck with the spine. These are mostly still legal but considered dick moves. If you pull a can opener, be at least slow when doing it.
Wrist locks are often banned for beginners because of how quickly you can injure a wrist.

>>256283
>This is why everyone hates white belts
That's because bjj instructors are shit and retarded, just explain the beginners what they should do it's not hard.

I want to win abu dhabi off my back

>>256307
>get on top
>secure position
>find sub
where do you see eye gouge?

>>256297
So here's some advice on the situation, don't do things that just kind of hurt and that's all
And it was bad advice from the black belt if he uses pressure points and digging boney parts in to create openings

Because you're not actually developing mechanical skills
Using pain compliance only works when someone cares to let it work, And a lot of people are stubborn and gritty and will just eat that, And now you've charged up their rage meter so you better hope you keep the upper hand because they'll be coming after you

People in the gym will be way more pliable to stuff like that because they aren't coming to class to get hurt for no reason this is just a hobby, And then you'll go to a competition and try doing all that grimy stuff and the people won't even react to it because now it's competition mode, I came here understanding that I might get a little roughed up so I don't care

Basically in not so many words the advice that guy gave you is if you're having trouble finishing the choke just start cranking his neck
Well that isn't really going to help you get better at doing the choke though if every time you're struggling with it you just stop trying and see if you can get him to tap by hurting him
This exact reason is why pretty much nobody is able to effectively do head an arm chokes because that position is really finicky and it's easy to just start neck cranking the person and make them tap from the pain
But the goal of a choke is to make someone unconscious not too make them go home with an ice pack on their neck

>>256297
>>256320
im gonna piggyback on the last part of this and say if you think you have something locked in and someones not tapping, just let it go and look for something else. if you were actually in a position to finish it they're not gonna escape the second you let go. you can ask them after the roll what specifically you were missing. if there was a gap on one side, if you really were just cranking and they didnt care, whatever. i cant tell you how many times a week i seem to have a white belt try to guillotine me from the bottom of mount. i can eat that all day. theres no point in wasting a minute or two on a failed sub or gassing yourself out because you tried to win when it wasnt a competition

Redpill me on training on puzzle mats

>>256407
?

>>254954
She had two good chances to go single leg x take him down and blow the niggas knee smoove off

>>255303
Ignore people complaining about GB, look for a current or former competitive record for people from gym regulars and your coaches.

It is the biggest predictor whether you're getting something real or they're blowing smoke up your ass.

>>255345
>>255348
>poor retention
Doesn't matter usually, most gyms have a core cadre of "the actual people regularly training", and "the weekly churn of first time randos who quickly cycle out". Watch for the quality of the cadre and coach, other shit's irrelevant.

what sort of game would lain play? how can i emulate lain iwakura when i go roll tonight

>>256497
please i only have three hours to figure this out

>>256407
Better than nothing but much less likely to be clean

>>256563
The closest bjj gym to me has no showers and train on puzzle mats. It's like 10 minutes away

I currently travel for an hour to use one where I can shower and which uses proper mats. Don't know if the tradeoff is worth it

>>256564
youre actually insane

>>256576
Well I spend my spare time, money and injure myself to learn a martial art that doesn't really work in real life so yeah no shit

>>256576
Also, I'd rather waste extra time than get skin infections desu

>>256584
have you considered lifting and stretching regularly to avoid injury?

>>256615
I lift and stretch all the time. It's probably the reason I have avoided catastrophic injury (so far)

>>256624
mind frame issue. you describe injuries as an inevitability. you bemoan your own art as impractical. hate to break it to you but youre gonna catch staph regardless of where you train

>>256625
Don't get triggered dude

>>256636
ice your twat

You're going to get injuries playing any sport, but since jiujitsu is mostly made up of unathletic adults that never played a sport in their lives before they think its a unique feature

>>256732
>legs and knees entangled and being twisted in unpredictable directions
> people cranking on your neck and spine to cause permanent damage before you can tap
>The sport where people drip sweat into your mouth and train with skin infections

>As dangerous as any other sport

What mental illness do you suffer from?

>>256785
>yeah I train jiujitsu because I don't get brain damage CTE like striking and MMA tards
>anyways I'm on my 4th ACL tear and 3rd MRSA infection

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did a comp recently, went well

>>256785
You're pretty much proving the point you never played any other sports
Even baseball players are crippled just by the sheer volume of repetitive movements they do

>>256785
>sweat icky
you sound like you either didnt tap because you thought it was "more of a crank" and you try to win training or you rolled the wrong way out of an entanglement and blew your shit up before someone that knew what they were doing had a chance to let go

>>256796
None of that shit happened to me but it happens. And it's the only sport that happens

Guys, i have hard times to get my hands through openings, like between arms, armpit etc.
I feel it's often very difficult for me to get through to have access to submission.
Likewise, i have huge troubles finishing rear naked chokes because either i get my arms sent away and/or my arm can't get under the chin and i have just the rnc on the face but my oponents never tap.

I'm ofc a stupid white belt, you guessed it, and autistic so i know my coordination isn't the best. But i feel frustrated because i can almost only get tap by doing ankle locks and nothing else.

Am i the only one that is retarded like that ? Is it normal ? i'm a year and a half in, feeling like a brand new guy yet i know what i'm supposed to do, i understand where i have to go and the course of action to get to the win but physically i fucking can't.
I'm 5"11 196lbs with good amount of muscles (around 18% bodyfat) (180cm 89kg in non american unit)

Please, i need feedbacks and ideas on what to do about it. Many thanks.

>>256804
Unless you are insanely fast or up against noobs, one move threats rarely do anything.
Every attack will get a response from the opponent and the idea is to expand on the reaction. If you slowly go for a single move and try to muscle your way through it will lead to many stalemates.
Attack the nect to get a reaction which means the oppoent moves his arms or shifts his body. Even if you do this for a few moves and can't seem to progress, you may realize that suddenly you can go to top mount because the opponent's attention is at his upper body. Either way, don't force submissions because with same skill level, the advantage lies with the defender looking at one move threats.
I often get side control and have opponents locking up their arms to the point I can not go for any shoulder lock so I just pull a paper cutter or north south.

>>256805
>nect
neck

>>256804
where are you most often when you find the feet?

>>256804
Try for a body triangle when going for the RNC, try to trap an arm if you can. Take your flat hand, bend your fingers in at the second knuckle and shove it under their chin

>>256789
Kek

>>256804
It's normal, finishing people is hard unless you have a very good postion or he's tired, you can see it in competitions you don't just grab his back and it's immediately game over.

>>256830
it happens mostly when i defend, i get a sweep and get the ankle lock. I try not to be lazy and if i'm the one attacking a lot i try to pass the guard and not just go for it. But sometimes it happens because it's fun. I'd say tho, i'm OK-ish at finding my way toward an ankle lock wherever i am even from shitty position as long as the person i'm rolling with doesn't have that much better skills than me but that sounds quite normal

>>256858 >>256805
well noted, very clear thanks !

>>256874
it's not hard when it happens to me desu i get sub a lot and i can't sub anywhere close as much as people are subbing me. Even with beginners i don't bully them as much as i was getting bullied, at equal time on the mat.

How much can you learn trying to escape positions outside of the gym for example having your girlfriend mount you on the living room floor?

My girlfriend weighs 100kg btw

>>256876
Does your girlfriend train or is she merely large?

>>257005
No she doesn't train but I got her to pin me in mount and side control. I was trying to teach her some basics. And before I know it, I'm actually doing knee elbow escapes and getting underhooks to escape, showing her triangles etc. escaping high mount. It got me thinking, just how much can I learn this way?

She was also quite good at working stuff out herself like the idea of breaking posture etc

>>256876
white belts will do anything but go train

>>257186
he will probably learn more doing that than whatever random sports shit they want to drill in class

CAN YOU NIGGERS STOP PRESSING YOUR SHIN AGAINST MY BALLS WHEN YOU PASS?

>>257305
Skipping ball conditioning day anon?

>>257385
>tfw no gf who steps on my balls so I can learn to ignore the pain when people half ass knee slice passes

got my blue belt

>>257552
And nothing has changed, right ? Life goes on and we keep getting ragdolled by higher belts.

It's a ponzi SCAM don't get fooled newbies

>>257554
happy about it but yeah my 2 main training partners are purple belts so I still get destroyed

>>257554
You know, people like getting their effort acknowledged

>>257584
ofc they do, i'm just warning newfags that it doesn't get better it's all but suffering (congrats to anon for his blue tho)

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>>257554
>>257552
im about three years into blue and boy aint that right
congrats anon

>>257597
>>257604
thanks guys, I am a happy Sisyphus

>>257584
it is what it is. do you train different in a black shirt than a white shirt?

That feel when you started BJJ for self defence but it's another lesson going over butterfly guard sweeps

That feel when you started BJJ for self defence but have already incurred more damage than getting jumped every year for the rest of your life

>>257647
Correct, you were deceived about what BJJ is

>>257647
Blame IBJJF for being such fucking faggots and the overall competition faggotry.
Due to the competition aspect you have the retarded point system. At least some practitioners train in part of fully for competition at pretty much every gym. This means classes are at least to some degree tailored to competitions.

>>257658
Turning away is factually the correct and best way to get up from under someone
However in this situation he's being lazy about preventing a wrist ride
There isn't anything stopping back guy from taking that grip and chasing keenans back

>>257647
Go to a comp and find a local gym that has guys rolling more like you envisioned and change gyms, go to a gym that offers MMA classes, find a way to take what you learn in class and apply it to a self defense scenario. You have options
>>257658
What are you trying to say with this?

ever just dog it on the mats when you feel like you deserve to be choked?

>>257660
>Turning away is factually the correct and best way to get up from under someone
Redpill me on this please.

>>257695
NTA but I assume the reasoning goes something like this:
>turning in allows you to safely create distance and reguard, but you still remain on the bottom in a (particularly in MMA/self-defense/non-grappling contexts) fairly vulnerable position
>turning away exposes your back and risks back takes, but allows you to wrestle up and either stand up or regain top position

>>257695
https://youtu.be/TjGVpKRUUWc?si=XRnOJ1x6_BmMK3Fp

https://youtu.be/-o-jqPJhEtQ?si=UYeWcyZGXSSkQNGW

Go in this direction and never look back no matter how much people yell at you for it
They're crabs in a pot frustrated you're not playing the game on their terms

>>257696
>>257701
Thanks niggers.

>>256789
How come you never hear about skin infections being a problem among judokas? Is it simply a matter of popularity?

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>Do BJJ they said

>It will be fun they said


How do I get rid of this shit?

>>257723
Go to a dermatologist, get a prescription for antibiotics or antifungals, depending on what that thing is

>>257722
>popularity
I think so, Judo is more popular globally but has less social media presence. But every martial art has this problem to some degree, there's a reason, for example, that ringworm is colloquially called "wrestler's rash" in my language

>>257725
>>257723
Also some antibiotics may not work, YMMV. I got prescribed azithromycin and it did jack shit, then another doc put me on a heavy dose of amoxicilin and the whole thing cleared out in a week (though that may not work for MRSA)

>>257722
They don't workout hard enough to break a sweat

>>257722
When i started judo they gave me a paper with instructions like cut your nails, be clean, wash the gi, don't eat right before practice etc... I also think that having the gi and not touching the other guys skin directly is better, nogi is gross as fuck.

Why is there no shrimping in MMA fights?

>>257755
Aside from shrimping not even working very well in sport grappling its especially a bad idea when someone is punching you because if you can't back all the way out you need to kill as much spade as you can
And also passing guard in a fight is a dumb idea so nobody does it
Just getting to a half guard and sitting on their leg so they can't run away is an effective pin that frees up your hands to hit them

>>257754
no gi is better becauses its more intimate. i dont want some 1/4" thick 300 year old japanese jacket getting in my way. i want to feel your body

>>257761
So what's your answer to someone mounting you and striking you?

There's a video of a street fight and someone gets a kimura from guard. You're full of shit

>>257772
Considering I know how to grapple and don't default to laying on my back there's a 0% chance anyone would ever mount me in a fight

Using guard in a fight is like having a gun but deciding to fight them with a pocket knife instead
Just because you can doesn't mean you should, it's a bad idea that leaves you vulnerable with no up side at all

The only time you should ever be on your back is if you are unable to physically not be on your back
If you aren't being pinned then just go to neutral and beat him up with wrestling
And if you are being pinned then the guy is better than you when you're going to lose anyway,
What chance do you have of affecting a guard when the guy is able to grapple you well enough that you can't get out from under him?

If you are ever in a position where playing guard is appropriate it is always going to be more appropriate to just stand up

>>257772
Capture one arm and roll them over on their back
Now you're in their guard, but so long as you're careful to not get triangled, you can g&p
Or you hip bump and start wrestling up
I disagree with anon that guard is useless, it is a strong defensive position, but it is not a position you want to end up in by default, it's a fallback if all else fails - "I'm on the bottom, I can't wrestle up or sweep, so I need to get back to a position where those options are available again"

>>257776
>Capture one arm and roll them over on their back
now do one where youre not fighting a white belt

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>>257776
Consider this, you have 2 choices as the bottom player here
There is that big void right between your hips and him, He is going to kill that space a half a second from now and put you right back to where you just were and your energetic bump meant nothing

The conventional bjj reflex would be, Insert your knee into that space before he can get there and put a guard in place
Basically work really hard to create space and then immediately just kill it yourself
Did you improve your position? Maybe marginally, But you are still on your back, If it's a real fight he still has the force advantage to hit you from up top, And he already passed you one time so there is nothing to say he couldn't just do it again and all of that was for nothing

Second option (the correct one)
Instead of killing the space you just created by putting your knees in there
Turn your knees down to get your legs under you, Now you're in a neutral position
The goal for you is still the same, flip the other guy on his back so you can get on top of him but you're in a much better position to do it now

The guard is a myth bad grapplers in the 90s used to stall positions because they couldn't actually get on the top

>>257786
I'd say it's a different approach with a somewhat different end goal;
Wrestle up to standing vs reguard and immediately work a sweep, with the ability to opportunistically snatch a submission*
The former is a hard reset to neutral, the latter involves risk of being passed again but a possibly much greater reward of getting mount or even back control
While one might be better most of the time, all else being equal, I don't think it's universally applicable. In particular, I wouldn't want to try and outwrestle a significantly bigger or stronger opponent, and wrestling when you're already gassed also likely won't end well. Conversely it's pretty stupid to reguard against an opponent you can manhandle or someone you're unlikely to be able to sweep or at the very least effectively stall out

I think the biggest mistake here (and in grappling more generally) is treating one approach as the metaphorical golden hammer, perfect and universally applicable, rather than just one tool out of many

*opportunistically, because choking out your opponent is obviously the ideal outcome, but also can't be done reliably enough to justify spending too much effort on it- take it when offered, but don't actively hunt it

>>257755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma1Y9ZnY69g
4:30 in this video.

Having to stop after 4 months due to injuries

Welp. It's been fun lads.

>>257844
It's too bad they didn't take care of you

>do bjj
>get injured at a rate far higher than when doing judo
>learn a third of actually usable techniques in a real confrontation

>hurr durr then go do judo
I wish I could, but there's no one that does it in a proper place in my country. Only dojo is too tiny and disgustingly indian tier dirty

Anyone else accidentally make a girl cry during a roll?

Chuck Norris has died. He had the Machado brothers on his television show
https://youtu.be/JUSqG89vWwI?si=Oo0fBofrbqFyWY08

>>257908
I did by letting one get close to me and not being the man she needed me to be or the one I was hoping I was

>>257910
RIP

>>257897
might as well just give up before you try it then huh faggot. theres no point is there? youll learn a lot more just bitching about it online than you would training

>>257819
Kek

>>255524
Mastering the scissor sweep is one of the most important parts of your closed guard but you should also understand a few other sweeps and passes beyond the fundamentals

>>257755
>>257761
convinced that shrimping up and down the mat is nothing more than a tool to teach grown men that have never played a sport in their life how to move their hips

>>258503
It's a tool for bad teachers to kill 15 minutes of class time because they don't know how to run a practice

white belt here, i can't improve. 1.5 years in, getting submitted by people who started 6 months ago and who are way lighter than me. (i'm 90kg they are 75-78 or even below)

Can't get to pass any guard, can't get to retain any guard either.
If i don't get in side control, i can't do shit.

Went to an ibjjf comp, lost 30-0 + submitted after 4 min.

Does it sounds like this sport is not made for me and i should accept to let it go and find something else ? I hate being bad at things and yet i can't get good.

>>258588
But why can't you do these things
Be specific, why can't you pass the guard?

>>258603
because i'm fucking retarded man i don't know they are better i try to apply the techniques and i fail i'm dogshit

>>258606
Forget about techniques and trying to copy and follow the steps some schmuck told you to "trust me bro" about

When you're trying to pass the guard, what is stopping you
You're approaching your partner and then what happens?

>>258588
well what are you working on specifically for passes and sweeps?
if you are a mediocre athlete like me there are plenty of simple games to run.
i dont train anymore but i got to pirple, and by the end my game was basically collar sleeve to technical standup/collar drag, stack pass, or smash passing from half guard.
hip bump, gillotine, tech standup, snapdowns no gi
bow chokes or canto chokes in the gi, rnc or head and arm no gi.
this is all super easy stuff just pick one or two moves per position.

>>258588
>>258606
the other thing is you have to pass that mental hurdle that this or that guy is better. technique is texhnique and it doesnt care who you are or what belt you have. if i have collar sleeve with a knee shield and you your foot up on my knee shield side, youre getting scissor swept doesnt matter who you are.
everyone knows those guys who just start out who are natural athletes or were ex college wrestlers. thats nothing to get pissed about.
one time i got absolutely kevin nashed by a white belt worse than i could remember, turns out after talking to him he was on jimmy pedros usa judo team for olympic hopefuls, and had recently quit. go figure.
just go for it and believe in yourself, you are a special snowflake, dont forget that

>>258588
When in doubt, bodylock away
Seriously, it's often a slow, grindy pass but it's almost guaranteed to work eventually. It also makes it really fucking difficult for your opponent to do anything so it's very safe
If you can't into guard, then just start wrestling up whenever you can, and when you can't then just work a sweep until you either sweep them or they give you an opening to get up.
That's pretty generally applicable - if you can't do anything but you can start standing up, just go for it, it's not like you have much to lose. You might get guillotined or have your back taken a lot at first, but you'll learn to defend that pretty quickly

>>258606
stop thinking. never think

>>258588
Brown belt here, you do suck if what you say is true.

Should you quit ? Yeah, probably.
This sport isn't for everyone, you are not one of them and that's ok.

Got my first submission today in sparring, RNC

>>258693
Based.

>>258588
You better come back because a lot of people appeared suddenly in this dead thread on a dead board to help you and you vanished >:(

>>258707
i'm around anon, i'm just deep in the "fuck this shit i'm out"... Idk man people don't realize how much i'd be willing to pay to be able to be decent - not even GOOD or worldclass for fucks sake just GOOD - in this sport but no matter what i get pinned down unable to work or can't pass the guard unable to work.

I just don't have fun 95% of the time and feel both frustrated and bad about myself. I go in comp and get obliterated by people who started 5 months ago like ??? wtf am i even doing with my stupid fucking brain ?? why can't I be good ? why am i just the step people step on to achieve greatness ? why can't i feel the joy of winning something ? anything ?

>>258720
you didn't answer what game you are trying to run. nobody can help you unless you say what you are doing.
what passes are you trying and failing? what side control escapes are you trying? what finishes are you trying to build towards.
the old "position before submission" mentality is what you should be thinking. what techniques are you using to either escape to a better position, or progress to your final spot? you want 1-2 moves, ideally somewhat complementary.
if $$ isn't a concern you might consider taking private lessons once every couple weeks for a while with a coach you like at the gym and help develop a gameplan, and work that gameplan every roll.

>>257722

Every judo club ive been has hammered home that you regularly wash your gi, mop the mats, practice good hygiene and diet training when sick or carrying a rash.

Hobbyist judoka also dont really make Judo the central component of their personality, so you don't get tye equivalent of the 46 year old Joe Rogan fan boy who started bjj 4 months ago, but is still going to train with an ACL tear snd ringworm because he's all about the Jitz life now.

>>258776
> diet training

Avoid training.

>>258720
You have to answer the question
Someone is laying on his back, you walk up to him
Then what happens

>>258609
>>258826
nta but its sending me that he can't give you an answer to this. even at my absolute worst in my first month or two i knew enough to know that i was either gonna stack pass another white belt or walk right into a triangle from someone that knew what they were doing

>>258862
first, kys

>>258826
and
>>258734
second, thanks for trying to help, so basically i'm usually aiming for a knee cut or a bodylock. I try my best to get into side control and work from there.

But the knee cut i keep getting pushed away once i've done it and their frames make it impossible to reach them correctly and they escape.

>>258877
You need to focus your intention, pay attention to what specifically is blocking your progression each time
You're probably pulling the trigger too soon and rushing forward without clearing all the barriers in the way

>>258877
squish the frames

>>258879
i'm booking privates with a purple belt once every 3 weeks to work on "a gameplan" and getting reps done for the muscle memory.

I'm autistic, i know i have a difficult time with my body but c'mon i should be better than that.
To him, i'm almost blue belt ready but i feel noway near that point. I guess he said that to make me feel better, but when i roll with other blue belts or white belts my size and weight i'm constantly the victim.

One other problem is once i'm on the bottom i get pinned down and have a very hard time getting back on top.
Usually, once i'm on top and in side control i get either the sub or i make them struggle long enough for the round to end but..it's so random and so inconsistent that i feel like it's more luck than anything else.

>>258883
>privates with a purple belt
Oof
>and getting reps done for the muscle memory
This isnt real, and if he's telling you to do that stop paying him
There's no such thing we muscle memory in a constantly changed system

Repping someone cooperatively gets you good at repping cooperatively
It's not getting you good at doing it under resistance
Inb4 "we slowly increase the intensity"
Not how it works

>>258890
Tbh it's me who is asking.

But i feel it useful, for what we worked on helped me and got me some positions more often than before. I am less in the "reaction" but more in the "anticipation" of what is coming next since i drilled the positions, got some explaination on what is happening and what could happen next and the signals to look for.

Could this work in the worlds finals ? Ofc not, but that gets me some position against people usually destroying me without breaking a sweat.

May be you feel it is useless for you, may be you are a natural.
I'm an autistic guy struggling with body movements and 3D orientation, even my door frames get in my way when i walk at home sometimes. I feel this is useful, for me.

>>258898
Your movement repetitions aren't improving your skill
They may be improving your capacity to move your body in certain ways, just like how hitting mits or a punching bag might
But this is a physical adaptation, not a neurological one which is what we're trying to develop with movement

What I'm trying to get across is you are mistaken physical conditioning for skill development exercises

You need to run clear objective based live exercises to improve the skill

>>258883
>One other problem is once i'm on the bottom i get pinned down and have a very hard time getting back on top.
Just roll with higher belts who completely outclass you. Best way to learn submission defense in desperate situations, since they absolutely punish every single mistake you make.
Eventually you will become so good at submission defense that you have the option to play a different defensive game. You can just outlast your opponent by defending submissions and then countering the moment he slips up. If I struggle with active defense I can always revert back to this game, though I think this probably sucks for comps.

>Usually, once i'm on top and in side control i get either the sub or i make them struggle long enough for the round to end but..it's so random and so inconsistent that i feel like it's more luck than anything else.
The fight over the elbows is basically the most important thing when you have a strong position like side control or top mount.
There is more to it like the different tasks the attacker and defender have but to keep it simple, literally just focus on the elbows.
For the defender, extended elbows are a disaster. So as a defender, try your best to not let it happen. As the attacker, try to isolate/extend the opponents elbows.
Opponents can get stubborn and lock their arms so you attack the neck. This causes them to react. If they defend this then maybe you can just get to top mount because their attention is at the upper body.
Literally just watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehd846vFUfQ

>>258898
i know they say jiu jitsus for everybody but if you're actually walking into walls... do you live in a group home? do they know you train?

>>258908
pretty functionning relatively high iq austistic man dude. Just happens to have sub average proprioception, what can I say i try my best just yeah what you have as a natural hability was something i had to actively learn. If that is the only input you have tho, please, feel free to ignore my posts

>>258899
English is not my main language so sorry, I'll try to explain it as clear as I can

The idea that I had and how we structure the privates is to get a game plan, in order to have a clearer understanding (on my side) of 1/ what I can do 2/ what the opponent might do as a reaction.
Let's say, we pick side control as that is what we are heavily focusing : I need my knees in their armpit and their hips, with one cross (usually with my left arm) and my other arm blocking the other side of their hip (usually my right hand), right ?
Well, before someone corrects my posture and gives me feedback of "how well I am controlling them" no one did before. People at my gym (which sounds fair don't get me wrong) won't live commentary all the rolls with me just to adapt with my difficulties to perceive my body and say "yeah that was really hard to get out of" or "nah I didn't feel your weight at all"

Could I do it alone and not make myself look like a fool ? Yeah, may be bro, I'm not dodging the bullet here and take full responsibility that I am, indeed, quite retarded to not be able to understand that by myself. But here we are, I don't. So I'm left with two choices, either I keep being frustrated because I'm a retard or I try to correct it. If I had friends willing to help me for free, I'd take it even if they were white/blue belts who care it'd be better than nothing. Unfortunately, I have very difficult time making friends, so this option doesn't exist.

So far, having clearer objectives of "ok first I need to control this part of the body, then I move with this hand, etc." gave me better controls and better rounds than usual. That is what I consider "drilling". Maybe the term is wrong and that is my mistake. But that is what I'm talking about (or trying to express) since the beginning.

>>258906

>>258906
> Just roll with higher belts who completely outclass you.

I try to do that, but some white belts completely outclass me already, and they started around the same time as I did. Some, I've heard them, are making actively fun of me saying I'm utter garbage (fair enough, I am) and the upper belts tend to roll among themselves for the most part. I usually have a way harder time against a blue belt / white belt my size than purpler and above as they are way nicer to me and let me try more stuff. Which is good but unfortunately in my opinion it's not what I'll experience in competition (or if I get assaulted in the street, but I really think that it is bad behavior to think about that as in real life it honestly never happen, or I'm not knife proof, either way it's a big lol)
>Literally just watch this video:
Many thanks, I will!

>>258909
>>258910
>pretty functionning
im not trying to be rude but you sound like you have a legitimate learning disability and i think its unfair for other paying members to have to deal with that for an hour

>>258912
k kys

>>258913
im trying to help you out here. being mocked by other students isnt normal. if youre being bodied by people you have 30-40 lbs on that have 1/3rd of the time you do on the mats you should stick with privates until you understand how to re-guard at the very least. the people you train with arent giving you live feedback all class because they're there to train not work respite. if you want to make friends you should try proving to them that you should actually be there

>>258911
>I've heard them, are making actively fun of me saying I'm utter garbage
Nigger are you from South East Asia?

>>258926
? no why ? lmao

>>257931
But I already did try it retard. BJJ is trash and a huge waste of time

>>259024
youre right. your time is far better spent replying to two week old posts about shit you dont like

>>258588
Same anon, follow up

yeah, i guess it's better to take the L and move on in life.
Got subbed 4 times in 5 min by a trial teen guy who never did any combat sport before, was 10x better at wrestling than me just got on my back all the time and RNC'ed me.

Got him in an ankle lock which he tapped instant so it's my fair guess that he was indeed a trial guy with no experience.
He is not gifted, i'm just fucking bad and want to really off myself as of now.

I guess i love this sport but the sport doesn't love me back

>>259181
I'm sure all 12 people who saw this live thought it was cool

>>259181
he dun goofd

when i go for a standard k-guard entry, my opponent just sprawls out/gets heavy on the leg

meanwhile, Giles when going against Marcelo, one of the most solid bjj players on the planet who is obviously familiar with k-guard, somehow uses magic to get Marcelo to relieve all the weight for him. it makes no fucking sense. ive seen blue belts who know to just sprawl that leg back or remain heavy on it

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ejyjqZBid0w

ive seen blue belts who know to just sprawl that leg back or remain heavy on it, and I know Marcelo is a genius so that makes me think, can anyone explain what the fuck did Giles do to get Marcelo to lighten up on his right leg so much, essentially giving Giles the entry?

>>258588
people will hate this reply but its what will give you some momentum in the sport:

get REALLY gimmicky, so gimmicky that higher belts should be saying "hey man focus on the basics first like cmon" no, fuck em. start going for hail mary bottom baseball chokes, instead of guard passing just lock up straight ankles and sit. if you start standing just try to slide between peoples legs or roll at them. g-roll. do reverse closed guard into toe holds until people tell you to stop. learn rubber guard. this is what you need. if after a year and a half of training, the body mechanics of things like pressure pressure, leg drags, singles, normal full guard, etc all clicking for you, simply start doing weird shit instead. it is your destiny

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>>259434
honestly kind of based advice, but gimmick shit is not a silver bullet. it'll work against plebs and the occasional tired blue belt, and if you're okay with that, fine, but it will 100% stunt your growth.
speaking from experience as a five-year blue belt who is cursed to do gimmick shit because i never learned any fundamentals and instead specialized in meme shit

>>259433
gave him cancer

>>259434
I "started" in 2014 but didn't really consistently train till 2019 - I'm at a competitive school, lots of pan am and world champions - honestly based advice I will say just do what you have fun and enjoy doing, this sounds like Bird Wiltse's game desu lmao he would just spam ankle lock (Caio Terra style from DLR) and won lots of shit doing it

I enjoy the ezekiel because it's really funny to hit it from bottom smash half guard

>>259434
>>259495
i like doing high ground set up and my ankle locks are my best subs. But i feel like i'm a retard because i can't RNC anyone even when i try.
Armbars in general comes second. But i get maybe one win every 20 rolls, even against people smaller/ lighter than me at a similar belt level.
Even smaller/lighter opponents i feel they are "stronger" than me, even if i know i am more muscular and shit, i can't manage to use my strength

>>255345
>Cheap
Not an issue
>No contact
Suss
>Free giveaways
One excuse people give is "having" to get a gi
My gym has loaners
>Retention is poor
That's just the sport in general
Anon should try a trial class or 3 and see if they like it
And more importantly he should get a roll in
I've heard of gyms that don't allow rolls until blue belt
Thats probably the biggest red flag
Well that and dangerous training partners

>>255647
In theory open guard is a lot of work for the attacker
Since there's no striking you have to circle an opponent who just has to rotate in place
Or enter someone who can apply all 4 lbs to keep you at bay

>>259434
>>259485
Gimmicks work because you can't learn every gimmick in the world
I concede that gimmicks allow me to survive much stronger and better people when the alternative is to play fundamentals against people who are fundamentally better than me since they spend more time and dedicate more wholly to the sport

>>259146
>He is not gifted, i'm just fucking bad and want to really off myself as of now.
>I guess i love this sport but the sport doesn't love me back
Just don't be cringe?
I don't play to win and I don't lose sleep over it
Unless you want to do BJJ for money (lol) I don't see why you would want to be arbitrarily good

>>259921
since it's very common to appreciate being bad at something you do everyday yeah it makes sense anon

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personally whenever i roll with someone newer and they give me a hard time i just cope by telling myself i wasnt actually trying that hard to help soothe my ego

>>259965
>personally whenever i roll with someone newer and they give me a hard time i just cope by telling myself i wasnt actually trying that hard to help soothe my ego
i dont like the part where you need to tell yourself that
me personally put in minimal effort and if i can't choke out a kid or an old person with the same techniques i use on a young buck, then i dont feel like im doing the martial art
thats ME PERSONALLY though no one @ me, wrestlefucking is still a legitimate strategy if you have the athleticism for it
>>259929
its the "i want to killmyself out of shame" crap that i find cringe
Yes, someone out there is going to be better at mechanically perfect guards and passes
Yes, someone out there will have way more time to invest and drill techniques
Yes, people can be more talented, but style comes from doing your own thing while being informed about how other things work
I had to rationalize with a guy who thought I was stagnant that yes, I concede im doing the same shit i did a month ago, but by virtue of having done it with different people and having it countered i dont literally "do the same thing" if i refine it in context

For me the problem is I'm so good at jiujitsu now nobody can challenge me so it's not even fun, and the only way I could ever hope to get a fun roll is to seek out professional tryhards, and those rolls are equally not fun for different reasons because they take this gay thing way you seriously and have roid rage

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>>259983
>psh... this sport is so easy
>what's that? you beat me with skill and athleticism? bro stop using strength you have roid rage... stop taking this so seriously...

>>259986
Nah you don't get it
These fags go out there and deliberately do dangerous to cause injury with reckless abandon like it's trials

There's nothing worse than someone that tries really hard to get gym taps

>if you dont let me win youre trying too hard because i already know im the best at this shit

>>259989
do you compete?

>>259918
>I've heard of gyms that don't allow rolls until blue belt
Unironically one of the worst practices you could have. I get not wanting to pit to day 1 noobs against each other but this is extreme.

>>260022
No way Jose

>>260092
I would never put two day 1 people together regardless of their background
Not even experienced grapplers since they'll just do their thing
But otherwise for safety blue and up must show the ropes on the first day

>>259989
>I can beat everybody no problem
>The people who I can't I haven't met yet or perform mental gymnastics that prevent me from doing so
Eh

>>260118
Kek we had day 1 noobs up against each other a lot. One of my first roles was against someone who also had no experience whatsoever. Even got a tap with a weird guillotine.
Injuries happen very rarely though and it is never complete beginners who are involved. Then again rolls where both start standing are done by 2 opponents who have at least a few months.

bjj guys win abu dhabi over sambo guys but in mma sambo guys are beating bjj guys what do you think is the difference

>>260136
>One of my first roles was against someone who also had no experience whatsoever. Even got a tap with a weird guillotine.
have you been training long enough yet to understand that you didnt actually land something clean he just day one panic tapped?

>>260160
A rule set that makes the guard neutral home base instead of inferior position (which it is)
In Sambo chest to chest is a pin regardless of leg position
In mma this is the same
BJJ and by extension ADCC awards points for passing the legs and only considers pinning positions as scoring from the hip and above
It completely invalidates leg rides as a strategy which is what Sambo and MMA utilize


tl;dr
They made up arbitrary rules to give themselves an advantage

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>flattened out in bottom half
>can't john wayne becuase their iside knee is off the floor
>sneak in my butterfly hook
>elevate to the left
> they sink their weight back and nothing happens
>elevate to the right
>they hop over my half guard hook and pass my guard
every single fucking time. wtf do you actually do from here to escape?

>>260355
heavy shoulder crunch and sneak both butterfly hooks in when theyre top heavy or get your head above theirs when theyre glued to your chest and stand up

>>260355
Just spam octopus and kimuras. Simple as.

>>260173
It is a neutral position in grappling because neither party can effectively attack a submission (sans a significant skill gap)
If the top wants to do anything, he has to get past the legs, if the bottom wants to do anything, he has to sweep or open the guard to start wrestling up
Points have zero impact on this - otherwise we wouldn't see guard in sub-only formats (we do) or in mma (we do, albeit less frequently now)
With no striking allowed, you have to get past the legs to attack effectively.
With striking allowed, legs still present a non-insignificant obstacle (minus half-guard which becomes a strong pin for the opponent), mostly because they threaten sweeps, leglock entries etc. Which is not to say that guard is where you want to be in mma, but it generally beats being pinned, and it allows you to stall and slow things down

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>>260355
>can't john wayne becuase their iside knee is off the floor
i sometimes hit this shin on shin john wayne sweep adam wardzinski does: https://files.catbox.moe/bocypi.mp4
he does the same thing from half guard when his opponents try to stand up
obviously a prerequisite is that you get your frames back first and are not being crossfaced and underhooked

business idea: jiu jitsu in a cage

>>260384
Is that not a common thing where you live? That's how half the superfights around here are done

>>260405
None at all that I've seen in the last five years, can't speak on before that. Do they let you use it for wall wrestling too? That's kind of what I was hoping for

>>260408
Yes

Do it, organize it and make some money
Either rent a cage and space at a brewery which is what most people are doing, or work something out with a gym that has a central cage
Put together a card, people will participate

My recommendation is submission only with a tie breaker of some kind like refs decision

>>260410
>My recommendation is submission only
Based. Fuck the point system.

>>260384
Wall wrestling allows for a lot of stalling
The angled walls that are trendy now are better for this

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subbed a black belt with the no-gi baseball bat choke from bottom mount (in the gi)

>>260451
if you dislike wall stalling i suggest you get stronger. ive never been held against the wall against my will

>>260516
My problem is more that it's just fucking boring, because it allows the athletes to just hump the wall for minutes at a time, as we routinely see in MMA for instance

>>260556
people can escape mount, side control, back takes. learn to escape being pinned against the cage or get over it

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>we don't rely on the crutch of fabric in no-gi, but universal princip-ACK

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>>256307
If they're defending their neck with their hands, their elbow are probably flared enough for you to get under them, and if they're not, if you start a 2-on-1 hand gripfight, you probably can peel one of the two arms off to under them.

Then you go take S-mount at which point you

>>260624
now study the relation between cro magnons and feeling the need to go shirtless in the gym