https://www.amazon.com/Revansh-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-BJJ-Belt/dp/B0F4PGKL8Q

Why are there no proud Native Americans at the upper echelon of submission grappling when they have strong wrestling traditions

need me a cornfed bjj gf https://youtu.be/2DRS5de9gk4

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>>260914
Thinking about doing BJJ or AJJ to get into shape and quit alcohol. Good idea yes or no? Here are my stats
>26 years old (almost 27)
>6’5”
>223 pounds
>25% body fat
>9 INCH COCK (and girthy)
Also I want male only classes and less than 10 people if preferred since I hate crowds (I’m autistic). What do you guys think?

>>262479
>Thinking about doing BJJ or AJJ to get into shape
Jiujitsu is a great workout, but IMHO it's an even better reason to work out. Improving your strength, resilience, and gas tank on the mats could be a great motivator to get in the gym and do your strength, mobility, and conditioning work.

>quit alcohol
Don't know much about alcoholism/sobriety, but I gotta think that seeking challenge, learning, growth, etc can't hurt.

>stats
Seems fine, great time to start training. You're about the same bf% I am, we both need to get leaner.

>Also I want male only classes and less than 10 people if preferred since I hate crowds
Hard to guarantee, but that matches the vibe of a lot of small hardcore gyms. Just get on google maps, find all the jiujitsu gyms in your area, figure out which ones are within driving distance, and start visiting them.

They'll have some form of trial period. Take advantage of that and try them all. Don't get pressured into signing up until after you've made the rounds. Then select the gym you like.

Report back with your findings.

>>262479
>>262603
>IMHO it's an even better reason to work out.
>quit alcohol
these all kind of play nicely together. i had already been working out for years and was cutting out drinking a lot in the year or two prior to when i started. hangovers were a huge part of it and now im in the gym friday night, saturday morning. dont get hungover. dont want to be hungover. having classes in the evening during the week and doing cardio or lifting in the morning i just dont have time in the week to feel like shit. shifting some of my focus outside the gym to bodyweight exercises and adding regular stretching i feel better now than i ever did before training. the idea that everybody gets hurt or ends up with major injuries is perpetuated by people that treat them like inevitabilities. ive been hurt twice in the gym in years and missed a grand total of a week. jacked up my knee and just gave up sweeps from half guard on that side for two weeks. took myself out for longer as a white belt getting drunk one night and doing stupid shit. havent had more than two or three drinks at a time since. if you find the type of gym youre looking for theyll pull you along quick. just listen to them and train smart

>>262479
Dude ignore that guy above lmfao

Are you an ex wrestler? Insanely flexible? Athletic? Ex rugby player?

You're gonna get injured my dude. Enjoy the high whilst you can, because your day is going to eventually be spent thinking about injuries and skin infections

Anyone find Gi a LOT easier than No-Gi? I'm surprised when I checked online that people say No-Gi is easier. Maybe because I had previous training but I feel like I give much more of a fight in GI just because it's so much easier to just grab hold of the collar or sleeve compared to trying to fetch an arm or pin an arm down. I'm like scrambling pretty hard with no-gi but with Gi most of the time I can just GRAB and HOLD to just take some time and space to try shit out.

So Ive been traveling around 1 hour to a gym and it's been good so far. Nice people, great instructor, feel happy there. But the commute is tiring.

There's a gym close to my house, 10 minute walk. Essentially same price but they force you to pay for a trial class, and buy their uniform (gi and rashguard) if you want to continue with them

This leaves a really sour taste in my mouth for some reason. Am I being unreasonable?

>>264301
impossible to say what actually training there is like without trying it out. on the surface it does sound like one of those places that like to nickel and dime you for everything, such as belt promotions.
rather commute an hour to a gym you like and keep training consistently, than walk 10 minutes to one you dislike and quit training because it sucks

>>264307
I just don't know if I can stomach the commute anymore. I'm around 40 sessions in. When I think about how much time I spend getting there it makes me feel depressed.

>>264341
1 hour to go training is insane unless it's a god tier gym and you're trying to become a professional athlete

>>264391
Its definitely not and Im definitely not

Try this on for size, I am 1 hour away from a God tier professional gym
The owner, instructors and people on the mat are people you've heard of
Not only that but there's even free classes twice a week
And additionally, a few of my friends go there

All of that in its favor and I will still never travel that far for jiu jitsu on a regular basis
Unless it is literally your only option and you really need to do this there is no gym so good it's worth organizing 4+ hours per day around


I really like this place, everybody's super nice and I get a lot of really great training and get to catch up with people I don't see very often, I still only go over there if I have a day off and my friends are really pestering me about it

>>264412
daisy fresh is like an hour from me

I guess at least go there once and try it out to see what it is all about, why not?

>>264497
May be worth a visit, they have an actual gym now though, right?
I always end up with the itch whenever I visit other gyms, I've actually had walking pneumonia for a couple weeks since I last visited a place from all the vaporized sweat in the air and no ventilation

Not everywhere takes hygiene seriously

>>264558
yes Daisy Fresh is a real gym not a run down laundry mat. I had a seminar with Heath and others from there so I don't have to go there.

I'm sick right now. With a cold. Sucks dick. It's bad too.

My gym doesnt' get me skin issues but the one that cleaned the mats with bleach did, go figure

I think most of the issues are skin on skin contact rather than condition of the gym desu but idk

>>264497
Which direction? I'm like an hour and some change south. Never been, but we have some visitors every now and then who trained there consistently. Lot of good people but mostly normal people.

It all just further reinforced to me that there's no magic mats or magic room. The main thing is train, learn, stay healthy. No reason to lust after some super gym or coach or whatever as long as you're live sparring several hours a week, you're gonna make it.

>>264595
I'm in STL area at a Vaghi gym (same lineage as Daisy Fresh)

Yeah there's no secrets anymore, this isn't the 90s, everything is on the Internet. If a technique works it works and everyone will know about it. This is why gyms who don't allow cross training or drop ins piss me off.

>>261133
I grew up wrestling 20 minutes from a reservation and have literally never heard of injuns maintaining strong wrestling traditions.

>>264161
>I'm like scrambling pretty hard with no-gi but with Gi most of the time I can just GRAB and HOLD to just take some time and space to try shit out.
Young wrestlers find no-gi easier because there aren't any gi tricks to slow them down; old guys find gi easier because it slows things down and allows them to take some time and space to try shit out.

>>264615
But of course as we all know, the gi is cope
If you need the gi to slow someone down you're bad at jiujitsu
You should be able to control someone using just your own body against theirs which is really the whole point

You can control a horse by pulling on ropes tied around it, that's hardly a skill

>>264663
If you're not good at both you're bad at jiujitsu.
>You can control a horse by pulling on ropes tied around it, that's hardly a skill
Do you have any experience with horsemanship? Actually meshes well with grappling.

>>261133
The only people who care about preserving historical traditions are white Europeans and Japanese. That's why the UK has all the one of a kind artifacts from around the world. They grabbed them to preserve and the native cultures destroyed 100% of the remaining.

>>264666
The gi is a red herring, having a gi will actively make you worse at not having a gi
It's too strong of an attractor state

I did ride horses as a lad but I was the only boy on the competition scene and the girls were all mean to me

>>264301
Are you only allowed to wear their gear or do you just have to buy the one set? Ill buy rash guards from home base when they come out with new ones to show support and have for tournaments or visiting other open mats but I have plenty of 3 for 50$ rashies from amazon already that are hardly a step down in quality that I wouldn't be replacing at 3x the price

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i did bjj for a year before i found a job and now i wanna go back, but i'm kinda afraid of the neck, leg and back injuries, i haven't gotten any of those and definitely don't wanna change that, specially since i've seen partners break something or get injured during practice, and one dude got his arm broken due to a tight kimura on no-gi.

what's the safest way to practice this shit without ending up in the hospital? i know, tap early, relax, go with the flow, etc., but is there anything i'm missing? is gi safer than no-gi?

>>264748
charge it to the game b

>>264747
Just the one club gi

I gave in and bought on in the end, as I tried the place out and thought it was worth the compromise

>>264748
Don't be aggressive and tight, don't fight stuff, don't fight being swept if it's on, tap to anything you don't know how to technically get out of, tap quickly to subs, tap QUICKLY to cranks, don't go 100%, be relaxed, breathe through nose only, don't try to "win" at all cost. Avoid standup unless with trusted partners and tell them no crazy shit, no suplexes no kani basami, if they do crazy shit don't do standup again with them, don't do stuff you "saw on YouTube". Do what you are taught and do it slowly and controlled, if you're muscling shit it will only work on the weaker people

Wish I knew this when I began. I'm only around 50 hours into my grappling journey but picked up all sorts of neck and back injuries already (my worst fear). Presumed bulging disks. Managed to fuck my knee up trying to do shit I saw on YouTube. Etc

Any good stuff or guides to workout ankles/hips/elbows/all the joint shit? I was practicing with someone and they were trying a side takedown but they didn't lift me high enough or sweep hard enough so I almost twisted my ankle. Luckily didn't get injured but sorta don't want situations to happen like that in the future.

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how can i help a training partner who has terrible self-confidence?

he has been training relatively consistently for three years now but is still stuck at white belt and frankly nowhere near getting his blue.
he'll occasionally bring up the subject of belt promotion but immediately dismiss himself by saying he'll probably never make it to blue.
the other day after class, he asked me how long it took for me to get my blue belt, i assume to compare his timeline to my own. for reference i got mine in about 1,5 years, which is pretty standard from what i've read. should clarify i'm no wiz either, i'm a pretty shitty blue belt

i like the guy, but he has terrible self-confidence issues that sabotage his jiu jitsu. he'll often 'give up' and go limp noodle whenever he's put in a losing position against a better training partner, which makes sparring with him somewhat awkward. worse yet, if he goes against someone newer that he thinks he should be able to beat and loses, he'll opt to tap out and sulk in the corner of the mats, leaving the new guys super confused. he's been talked to about this behavior and it usually stops for a little while, but always returns thus far

technique-wise he hasn't got much going on. you can kind of see the cogs turn in his head when he starts to think about his next move. until then, it's just a lot of deathgripping and tensing up. what makes it all the more absurd is that the guy is built like a fucking tank and could easily overpower and plow through guards if he stopped freezing up and was a bit more dynamic

even when we're drilling, he's always self-critical and negative: i cant do this, i cant do that. it gets exhausting at times. we all try to encourage him but it goes through one ear and out the other.

aside from giving him the number to a psychiatrist i'm not sure what i could do to help this guy.

>>264795
>i like the guy, but he has terrible self-confidence issues that sabotage his jiu jitsu. he'll often 'give up' and go limp noodle whenever he's put in a losing position against a better training partner, which makes sparring with him somewhat awkward. worse yet, if he goes against someone newer that he thinks he should be able to beat and loses, he'll opt to tap out and sulk in the corner of the mats, leaving the new guys super confused. he's been talked to about this behavior and it usually stops for a little while, but always returns thus far
>technique-wise he hasn't got much going on. you can kind of see the cogs turn in his head when he starts to think about his next move. until then, it's just a lot of deathgripping and tensing up. what makes it all the more absurd is that the guy is built like a fucking tank and could easily overpower and plow through guards if he stopped freezing up and was a bit more dynamic
>even when we're drilling, he's always self-critical and negative: i cant do this, i cant do that. it gets exhausting at times. we all try to encourage him but it goes through one ear and out the other.
Have you told him these things directly or have you tried to diplomatically imply implications and talk around the issue?

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>>264801
for the first thing, he's been told directly to stop 'ragequitting' during sparring matches and going limp by our coach because it's obviously very unsportsmanlike.
second, i've told him on numerous occasions that he makes himself out to be much worse than he really is, and that if he really wanted to he could probably tear my head off.
third, some people will be more direct with him about this than others. sometimes if a technique or sequence is particularly difficult, he might try it a few times, fail, say it's too difficult for him or that he doesn't get it, and then lets his partner do the move without trying it for himself. thankfully this is pretty rare but it happens occasionally. i'll usually try to be encouraging and attempt to get him to drill the move himself, but if he's very adamant about it then i won't push the issue

>>264803
If I were his coach I'd make him do wall sits with a sandbag every time I caught him doomposting on the mat.

Since you're not in a position to do that you can try to coach him more gently in the moment more directly than you have been, if you think he'd be receptive to it and you're not stepping on any toes (some gyms have different cultures about that stuff, not sure what yours is like). When he tenses up with you tell him to calm down, take a breath, and think about his options, maybe offer some leading questions to get him moving. When he goes limp you could try the same thing or punish him for it with pain compliance stuff from wrestling that sucks but won't result in a tap out or injury. Doomerism needs to be countered immediately in the moment so it doesn't spread to other people; shame him for it if you have to.

>Joined two BJJ tournaments with only a month of experience in november
How fucked am I? I think I do somewhat decent on other white belts but blue and above I struggle for at least 2-3mins before I get submitted. One tournament has a bracket for >6 months so I think I'm sorta safe (until I get sandbagged), the other is in house so that's fine.
Any things to really work on for the next 5 months? Going to be REALLY tiptoeing balancing to not get injured and get as much training as humanly possible.

On a side note, when should I wear a knee brace? I'm starting to feel one side getting a bit "stretched out" but I think I can hold it off for a week and it'll heal but I also don't want to get injured in the next 5 months.

>>264881
>signed up for a learning experience as a new guy
>How fucked am I?
It's tradition that the winner of your bracket and his coaches rape the losers to death, so very fucked.

>>264884
OH FUCK AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Joined a tournament 2 weeks in my gym and my only matches I got stuck in mount and lost by points in all my matches. This time I want to at least win a match lol. Just wondering what to really hyper focus on in the next 5 months. Usually I'm lucky that a lot of people are on vacation so I can use the next few weeks like private lessons but I want to really be specific on what should I ask for to really make use of the time while I got it. Probably would be a good idea to ask for standup game huh but still have no idea to go against the pull guard hmm....

>>264887
>This time I want to at least win a match lol. Just wondering what to really hyper focus on in the next 5 months.
Ask the guy who can see what you're doing and what the other guys in your area are doing. "Hey coach, I want to win at least one match at the upcoming tournament. What do you think I should really hyper focus on in the next 5 months?"

>>264888
You know what. That's fair. I think I'm still in the area where I'm still spazzing out but I think my defense is getting better. Anytime I go for an offensive stance I'm getting bumped and sweeped the fuck out. Actually hey thanks, I'll ask for improvement on my offense.

Any good resources (sites - surprised this hasn't been a thing/books/videos/podcasts to supplement training)
I'm genuinely surprised I couldn't find anything that's pretty much a site that shows you standup - and then what you want to focus on then it links you to a page for throws or takedowns etc and from there it goes through the types of throws and takedowns and applications and then it does mount then types of submission or moves from there. It would be a lot of work I guess rather than doing...

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There's a 4 year old in the kids class that keeps sniffing other kids feet, and I told him to stop doing that so he's just being sneaky about it and when he does it he makes a face similar to this
I'm not sure what to do next

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>>264767
>Avoid standup unless with trusted partners and tell them no crazy shit

>don't do stuff you "saw on YouTube"

>Do what you are taught and do it slowly and controlled

thanks anon, i wish i could make every single bjjtard get these simple things intro their monkey brains, but what can you expect from a martial art popularized by a mob. guess i'll get back to it soon when i get my paycheck, though i just plan to get to a blue belt, since that's when they allow leg and ankle submissions and also jumping guard.

>I'm only around 50 hours into my grappling journey but picked up all sorts of neck and back injuries already
sorry to hear that, take care of yourself this shit is not worth risking having to be 90% metal on your bones.

I have a tournament in 4 months as a beginner and I know a lot of you guys are going to say "have fun!" but I want to win a match. Is there anything I can hyper optimize for (flexibility/solo drills) outside class? I know most of you will just say "just roll more" but I'm starting to think more on "Okay, if X now what should Y be". There's a lot of stuff during standup I have no idea what to do and I've been trying to figure out Judo throws and standard takedowns but I haven't landed mine yet. imanari roll looks cool but that's too memey at my level right? I've been trying single/double (keep getting guilotined). I've tried Osoto and Uchi (oh god Uchi has to be my shittiest attempt since I keep getting headlocked or guilotined again as soon as I give them my back). Osoto I've been struggling with since most of the time they're always "square'd" so it's hard to even get a leg in. Are there any resources or online courses that can help improve my game before D day?

>>265005
Identify what you're actually good at. What moves do you hit regularly? From there work backwards. Figure out how to get into positions that will lead to those things. Then figure out what takedowns will lead you into those positions.

Right now you're throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Not much will because you have no idea what you're doing and are randomly throwing it everywhere.

>>265005
>solo drills
Not real
>Flexibility
With a good protocol you could go from nothing to nearly full splits in that time frame. Which isn't done by "stretching" you need to warm up the target muscle groups, using a combination of nerve flossing, PNF, and targeted stretching adding up to a full 10 minutes minimum of time under tension per week per skill. Usually no more than 4 max skills at a time. So basically it's an entire 1 hour training session each week dedicated to flexibility improvements just like any other exercise routine, or you can do a little each day, doesn't seem to matter the volume per session as long as it gets done.

Now here the facts about competition, statistically speaking whoever scores the first 2 points wins the entire thing
It's an extremely poorly designed sport

Deficits in jiujitsu are too hard to come back from
You rarely see a back and forth, it's usually incremental progress that can snowball overtime
So all you need to do is bust your nut and get your points first then do nothing for the rest of the match

>>265013
You have any good resources for the flexibility stuff?
>>265008
Hmm I'd say I'm getting much better at Mount and finishing with Americano/Kimura, trying to get better at Ezekial before I get bumped off. But standing is definitely my weak point. Trying to get better but not too sure on what to try out. I'll ask yeah but I also want to read something ahead of time to figure things out so I know what to try.

>>265005
The only takedowns that work as a beginner that takes little skill to pull off are the sacrifice throws like collar drag where you use your weight to fall and drag them down too

or collar and sleeve snap down into knee/ankle pick

Don't bother with shooting for singles etc you will most likely get sprawled on and guillotined

Judo throws take years to actually get at. You might be able to force drop seo nage though. Just remember to dive through the legs. Also I'm refering to gi

>>265037
Doing both Gi and No Gi so that's fun. Yeah one of my coach has been getting me to do a lot of sacrifice stuff but I'm just not a big fan of it since it feels like there's so many things that could go wrong. All it takes is one knee in the wrong place when falling and blamo.

>>265013
>solo drills
>Not real
They are if you can rotate a photorealistic apple with your mind's eye, so for whites and east asians but probably not most brazilians. Solo drills feature heavily in wrestling and judo pedagogy.

>>265045
It's a fake waste of time no matter who's doing it
No amount of kata is going to improve your ability to perform, thats all solo drills are
People do it because they feel like they're supposed to, not because it produces results. It's about motor learning, doing a solo drill gets you better at doing solo drills, skill doesn't transfer from something that is superficially similar looking to live competition.
This is why they don't put training wheels on bikes anymore they take the pedals off of them instead, And kids are learning to ride bikes at 2-3 years old instead of in elementary school

Riding a bike with training wheels on superficially looks just like riding a bike without them, But you're just mimicking the movement you aren't actually developing the capacity to do it, take them off kid falls over
Take the pedals off the bike and let the kid just push themselves along the ground with their feet, It looks a lot different but it actually developed their ability to steer and manage balance.

>>265035
Watch movement by David's videos I guess, he's got big fag energy but is actually concise and accurate when he talks

>>265047
>bro it takes YEARS to learn wrestling takedowns and judo throws that are routinely taught within a semester
>you shouldn't train like they do in those classes though because you won't learn anything
If you were a little less autistic you might be capable of the nuance you need to be a little less retarded.

I don't like the rationalist dorks in jiujitsu it made it unbearable to watch. It's just from tech rationalism too I think -- committed computer guys

Again just asking for resources here lol. Anything helps! I know I could just google but wondering what personally helped you.
>>265047
I'll check him out, thanks!

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>>265048
You're agreeing with me and don't realize it yet
The standard BJJ approach to takedowns is your partner stands there and you rep your little osotogaris and double legs. Maybe you take turns doing that with a person but in effect you're just doing solo drills, it's no different if you were to just do that with a grappling dummy or elastic bands or to the air up and down the mat
It's a total waste of your time

The other grappling sports that can actually do takedowns effectively are doing so because they utilize having a person in front of them to a greater degree. They're actually practicing hand fighting, entries against resistance, action reaction.

If any of them have gotten good and include solo drills in their practice they've gotten good despite the solo drills not because of them

>>265081
I agree that having a practice partner allows for more complete and advantageous drills but I also assert that solo drills are beneficial when a practice partner is unavailable and for certain skills isolation practice. When I wrestled in school the guys who did drills on their own at home between practices made faster progress than the guys who didn't. I've found it helps both when learning new movements at the beginner level and reinforcing learned movements at a more advanced level.

>>265092
....can I KNOW what drills to do at home?

>>265094
For something specific, if you plan on trying to get good at takedowns you can drill them at home so they're smoother when you practice them against an opponent in class.

In general, think of it like shadow boxing. Imagine you're doing a movement against a resisting opponent and practice it the way your coach told you to. Some stuff isn't super practical without another body there but you can mess around with it and work through some problems and refinements on your own.

>>264767
>I'm only around 50 hours into my grappling journey but picked up all sorts of neck and back injuries already
lol
>>265005
get your hands inside of theirs get your head in a better place than theirs and get your hips on top of theirs. you can pretty much do whatever you want at that point
>>265081
>you rep your little double legs
what do you think wrestling practice is? 3 hours of duck walks?

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>>265092
>the guys who did drills on their own at home between practices made faster progress than the guys who didn't
Not for the reasons you think though

There needs to be perception action coupling, you can't remove a movement from the environment where you'll need to express it. Your senses are taking in information from all over the place at all times and running assessments in the background. It can only lock in and make good decisions with accurate information and a solo drill doesn't give the correct feedback needed to perform live.

What's happening with the guys doing things at home is they're exercising, which is good, but that time should be spend exercising then. Their improvements are nothing beyond the benefit you get from doing calisthenics
So you should really be doing weightlifting, plyomeric, and v02 max routines to improve your general fitness

I know it seems silly if you think about playing a ball sport and practicing the movement without a ball in your hand
Well I don't have a ball so I'll practice dribbling the air around imaginary opponents
Nah obviously you should just go for a run or something

For whatever reason when it comes to martial arts I guess it's just this traditional mindset, people resist something obvious to every other sport

Didn't Michael Jordan have a basketball with him at all times?

>>265112
Yep, when he was at the grocery store he just put his basket on some guy's head and dunk on him. That's why he was so good.

>>265112
>>265160
Its never been something intentional in lucid dreams but I noticed when I started hitting heel hooks in ordinary dreams my waking leg lock game improved significantly. Might be something to it

How are gyms generally with having people sit out of doing stuff like drilling throws due to an injury? Are coaches usually happy you turned up even though you might have to skip certain things?

>>265301
Depends on the injury and the coach but in my experience they want you training as much as you can without getting injured or aggravating existing injuries. Even if you're totally out of commission there's value in watching and thinking about grappling (contrary to what ecosperg would have you believe).

Is a dummy worth it? Still a white belt but I notice I do better learning if I can physically drill out something. What usually happens while I'm training in class is
>We drill it a couple of times.
>I get it maybe like once or twice
>write it down in my notes
>rinse and repeat
>do live rolls
>SCRAMBLE - completely forget everything
>come next day I completely forgot what exactly it is I drilled.
I get the theory of something and my brain can go ohh it's pretty much aiming for x and y but my brain freezes the fuck up once I get into that situation. I was thinking of buying a dummy for home and then practicing the scenarios a couple of times every night to really muscle memory it. My only real problem is I live at home and my friends are going to make fun of my "sex doll" when they come over. Oh and it's also kind of hefty and expensive....

>>265301
>>265306
Ive never gone as far as to show up and watch injured but I've seen plenty of people come in and sit drills selectively depending on how its effecting injuries and I'll vouch that I early on I got just as much out of watching higher belts roll as I did going myself.
>>265333
I dont think a dummy is near as valuable as the people theyre marketed to do. Find a partner that you know wants to get as many reps as possible in when youre in class and make a mental note of one thing you want to work on in every roll. Keep it vague enough that you can find it anywhere. When youre standing be it foot work/placement, getting grips; on your back getting an overhook, getting a kimura grip, keeping your legs active; on top balance in whatever position youre trying to hold, catching flared elbows, lazy legs. Pound one thing into youre mind you can improve at at all times. If youre in it for the long haul you're not trying to refine things yet. Wait til its second nature

>>265357
It's more of I want some solo practice at home. I can read, watch and note down a lot of shit but I can't get it going on live rolls. I don't want to waste my partners time in "hey I found this shit on youtube, can I try it on you for a bit?" then waste like 5-8mins because I legit don't know/remember what I'm doing lol.

>>265359
try doing it instead of writing it down

>>265364
I mean yeah but I'll get it once or twice before we move to the next drills then I'll be like "I understand it now" then the next day it's like "lol wut how the fuck do I...", I guess shadow grappling could help but dang the mind body connection would be nice.
On another note, how the hell do I train explosiveness outside the gym? Standup is my worst game and I'm trying to get better at it because I end up just trying to pull guard (they end up side controlling me) and I'm always having to play defensively.... I can do some takedowns on the drills but trying to get space to do so without them just using it is fucking hard lol.

>>265365
I just think youre better off putting pressure on a heavy bag than drilling sweeps or subs against 20 pounds of pvc with zero resistance. Balance on top and start to feel where you can place pressure, visualize their arms. Guard is just mount off your back. Youre never going to outwork the ground. A mongoloid can triangle a dummy

>>265366
I'll give that a try. Just want to know what I can do solo so I can improve instead of being a doober in class.

Do you guys have any good mobility programs? My hips are tight as FUCK

>>265378
Jogging and stretching, it is really that simple.

I guess it can't be helped, I come to spread my wisdom and you all just defy me

Got called back at the end of class.
Apparently I need to stop doing dirty submissions during free rolls.
mfw I didn't even know there was such things as dirty submissions except for illegal shit like ground and pound and throat choke.
uhhh can I get a list so I don't embarrass myself next time? in my defense the other higher belts taught me this and didn't say shit about how dirty it was.

Sounds like a skill issue

Don't tell me /xs/ has a schizo issue as well holy fuck can you losers get a life

A couple of months in and I'm struggling in these situations. Any good athletes to take a look at who do more fundamental slower approach? I guess I'll have to look more in Gi competitions
>I get into Mount, opponent just cross his arms so I can't get the neck nor an arm. I could muscle two of my arms to one of his arms but he'll either sweep or control my arm once I go in. I have no idea what the fuck to do here. I only really know Ezekial/Arm Triangle/Americano
>Starting from sitting, I have no idea what the fuck to do. If I grab an arm and their neck they'll kick and sweep me from there. if we're in standing, I either get takedowned and get into someone's mount which fine I know how to escape or I take them down and I either mount (good but run into the first point) or enter their guard. (bad for me, I have no idea how to escape). I just feel like I have more control on what's going to happen while standing but sitting I blink and I'm in a more dangerous mount position.
>How the fuck do I get out of someone's guard? When I try to standup, they trip me with their hands, when they stand up they're already up before I can grab their ankle.

>>265607
I'm a no stripe white belt but these have worked for me so far

I have 3 moves to pass the guard depending on where their hands are

If I can grab both arms and pin them to the person or to the side, I will then stand up in a staggered stance(they can't grab your ankles then)

If I can get a 2 on 1 on one arm, to the side of the person, I will then start lifting their hips up by getting up slightly, slide their hand/arm underneath them, collect it with my other hand, and then put pressure on that side by putting my weight down and sliding up until they open up

If i can't control their hands then I strip their grips, push down on their hips, slide my left knee to the side, bend my body to that side, and then slide my right knee under the gap which has now formed in between them, the pressure from this should open their guard if you follow all the steps

Does anyone with more experience know if I can use this system forever? Or will this only work on noobs?

>>265607
You're asking about good athletes and talking about muscling out of shit so I'm assuming you're in shape but how do you train outside of bjj? It sounds like you just have a serious disconnect between your arms and legs when you're rolling. Use both
>>265615
>will this only work on noobs?
Roll with more people that are better than you and find out

>>265813
I think it's just beginner nerves. Lots of weight lifting and cardio. It's just when I go against higher belt they're barely trying and I wanna match that rather than having to rip someone's arm off (and I already hold back a lot even subconsciously because I don't want to injure my opponent)

Is it true every 10kg is basically a belt difference

>>265892
you get fatter you need a bigger belt yes

>>265892
Nope, pure cope just like the fake stat that 90% of fights go to the ground
Need proof? Jiujitsu has an absolute division, it's completely open weight and smaller guys win it all the time

There is a blue belt that's literally 340lbs
He's nearly 150lbs heavier than a lot of people
He's so big a lot of moves just don't work on him because I can't physically wrap around him, I still beat him though and I'm certainly not a coral belt

>>262635
death by wizzer

AJJ formerly BJJ formerly CJJ formerly DJJ formerly EJJ formerly FJJ formerly GJJ formerly HJJ formerly IJJ formerly JJJ formerly KJJ formerly LJJ formerly MJJ formerly NJJ formerly OJJ formerly PJJ formerly QJJ formerly RJJ formerly SJJ formerly TJJ formerly UJJ formerly VJJ formerly WJJ formerly XJJ formerly YJJ formerly ZJJ

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Would this count as being "inverted"?

Can they sprawl on you and injure you from here?

>>265978
Don't have your hips higher than your head ever if you can help it
It's a losing position

>look for advice online
>"hurrdurr idk i suck in bjj"
>"lolololol bjj is gay"
>"have you uhmm tried HARDER????"
I'm so fucking tired of these clowns holy fuck......it's fucking everywhere though, why does this hobby have so much ironicfags. Is it just cope for "lolololol yeah I wasn't even trying"?

just keep posting lil bro

>>266069
Different people have different opinions
Ironically it'll be like asking for tech support
>You should know this
Is just reddit people being reddit
>I wasn't even trying
Is 100% the Brazilian in Brazilian jiu jitsu

>>265615
>Or will this only work on noobs
Things that only work on noobs don't work on people who are good because they need to address it or they know how to not have to deal with it
Technically that still means they work if it occupies your opponent's headspace
Your options in a position will always depend on what you can do, it just works on noobs because they only have so little that they can do

>>265814
If you have something you want, keep doing what you're doing to get it
The better they are the less work they'll need to take it back from you and then ideally you'll get a feel from there
If you're new you just need to turn your rough movements into better movements, and you'll only figure that out through repetition anyways

>>266136
I'm just looking for good resources man... seems so hard when there's like 20 layers of irony in anything martial arts related. Feels like a bunch of people in this hobby got sweeped in a tournament so they're permastuck in "lolololol whatever it's just a hobby anyways I don't really care."

I'm 50 hours in

>>266069
You should just use submeta. Lachlan has great organized material for pretty much every situation, and it's a lot easier to utilize vs. a bunch of different instructionals.

>go to jiujitsu class
>black belt shows convoluted guard technique
>explains it mostly by just talking and showing in a kind of A -> B -> C way
>dry drill it against non-resisting opponent
>1hr of this just drilling technique no positional sparring

then just free rolling lol

explain to me what is the point of this? i learned literally nothing and just wasted an hour of my life tho its fun to shoot the shit with the boys

>>266188
bit pricey but I'll look into it

>>266212
why don't you ask your partner to try a little resistance? usually my school has it at 0% then 60% then 100% when drilling but ill be honest most of the time when it gets to 100%, all technique goes out the wall unless you're a higher belt lol. though tbf some classes we do some positional sparring and then reset once a sweep happens or the position breaks

Some days I miss training but BJJ is one of the worst ROI activities there is. Once you have kids/on-site job/family problems it's such a slog.
There's a giant shopping plaza with Costco opening up 5 minutes away from me and I'm hoping someone starts a school in there. Everything else is 30+ mins away at this point.
If you're in your 20s-30s train every fucking day cause it's not going to last forever boyos.

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>>266212
It's not a big deal or anything but having gotten my black belt in 6 years I come around this site and talk about the correct way to train and And why the majority of BJ instructors are morons completely ripping people off and wasting their time
then everyone just calls me a schizo
So that's really all there is to it, You get what you get because blue and white belts feel the need to defend the honor of the scam artist they pay every month.

>>266227
Technique goes out the window as a higher belt as well because techniques are fake, That's the filter. you are bad while you're trying to do the techniques that someone had you memorize, you get good once you realize that was all nonsense and just play the game
You want him on the floor? grab him and throw him to the floor
You want to get past his legs? Grab his legs, throw them out of your way, and try not to fall over while you're doing it
There is no technique it doesn't exist, It's just intention and acting on it

A competent instructor understands this and will design a practice around live exercises to hone your ability to do these things under pressure
If even 1% of your class is spent learning about "technique" the guy is stealing your money

>>266247
I think you're a bit extreme, but there's definitely some truth. Technique matters to the extent that principles matter. A scissor sweep can be done perfectly fine with a cross collar/sleeve, same side collar/cuff, 2-on-1, knee on sternum, shin across waistline, pushing the knee vs sweeping, and so on. Only the principle of getting their hips up, loading their weight up, and taking out a post matters. I do agree that conviction/intent is way, way more important than most people realize. Where most people get lost are getting into autism with needing this exact grip or these exact reactions from uke, and doing things with hesitation.

To say that technique doesn't matter at all at is nonsense though. I've seen JT Torres in person make ultraheavies look like day 1 beginners without breaking the smallest sweat. That's knowing technique/real principles. However, most regular people would be way better suited to a simple game and not chase whatever is trendy. I don't train anymore, but by the end my game was stupidly simple.

Good anecdote I heard back when the UG was around was one of Carlson's Sr's students asking the old man how to pass so-and-so's half guard, and Carlson's response was to grab his head and smash your shoulder in his face as hard as you can, and he'll be easy to pass. 99% of bjjers could probably use that kind of advice.

>>266273
By that logic why not just punch them in the face

>>266286
because theres a difference between discomfort/pain compliance and actual physical harm?

>>266247
I'm interested in your approach of being lazy and laid back and giving low effort in jiu jitsu

Can you give more detail?

Had another opponent who didn't want to roll because I weigh around 100kg. Said he won't learn anything and proceeded to sit on the bench, where he surprisingly learned less had he just done a roll.
I even let opponents start from side control or top mount practically every round while taking out a lot of strength with lighter opponents, yet I still get such a comment basically every time I show up. I get it if you are injured or a boomer but why do fuck do you show up in the first place if you skip half the rounds of sparring?
If you are a compnigger we can just drill or do positional sparring. If you train for self defense then LMAO.
Ironically I lost around 10kg in the last few months but this cope happens a lot more.
Thankfully there are real niggers who will always do a round.

>>266292
>where he surprisingly learned less had he just done a roll.
where he surprisingly learned less than if he had just done a roll.

Any tips on training mobility and plyometrics? I notice I'm pretty damn stiff and it's fucking up my coordination and rolling. I feel like a damn rock when I should be more of a rocket.

>>266291
Many people will tell you to use the minimum effective dose
They are malignant retards
I say you use the maximum sustainable effort

Play to win the game every time
If you're too fat or tired to roll at full power then it's not time to train. This is why rolling with 1 minute breaks in between rounds is stupid. In every competition you will get a mandatory full recovery period in between every match you do. This idea of needing to sustain what's effectively a long slow distance one hour of training isn't realistic. Jiujitsu is interval sprints, not cross country

>>266294
Dead hangs off a bar

>>266292
The only time I feel any sort of success in jiu jitsu is if I can get a heavier opponent off of me and end up on top. Anyone can bully someone smaller or weaker but imo if you can't handle stronger or heavier people then training serves no purpose

>>266307
Doesn't this go against your principle of being lazy and not going hard

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Is anyone making plans to train at Craig Jones' new gym in Mexico?

>>266312
I don't have such principles
When you take it easy you're robbing both yourself and your training partner of a good experience. You owe it to the other person to challenge and push them so they can improve and challenge yourself too

Lazy jutsu is something defeatists that don't believe in themselves push, " If I don't go too hard then the other guy will take it easy on me, because if he goes hard he's in the wrong, he's a spaz, he's a tryhard. he'll lower his ability to avoid being labeled a bad partner in the hierarchy. then I have a possibility of winning because he isn't trying his hardest"
So you get to come out with your ego intact, you either win because he isn't trying his hardest or you lose but it's okay because you weren't really trying your hardest either so it doesn't count.
It's basically the male version of false rape accusations

It's always such cope when new people are coming in with their physical attributes and the upper belts up to and including the instructor are telling them to slow it down, don't use so much muscle blah blah blah
Really, he needs to stop doing that?
so why don't you punish him for it? why don't you show him why it's a bad idea? But they can't, they're not asking him to turn it down for his sake so he can learn better theyre, asking him to turn it down because they're struggling to keep him under control and it's damaging their ego. They're feeling embarrassed that all the students are watching this white belt put up a fight against the supposed expert in the room. Teacher needs to defend his own credibility both as a practitioner and as an instructor, it's a bad look if a new guy is putting in a good effort against people you've been taking money from for years to supposedly teach them.

>>266331
Black belts can handle muscular and strong people no problem. The problem is the strong white belt zigs when he should have zagged with his leg entangled and his knee goes 180° the wrong way. That's what happens if you dont settle down against higher skilled people. I've also learnt the hard way if you go in all crazy and rough they match your energy and you just get smashed. If you go in relaxed and technical you can both get to learn technique to actually do jiu jitsu instead of trying to bully weak and small people. That won't work on someone bigger.

mfw this general finally has a schizo where he thinks he's better than everyone and everything
jesus is nothing sacred anymore.

>>266212
>>266247
>>266273
i think a huge part of it is finding regular training partners with a better understanding of body mechanics than the average mid 30s white collar worker that hasnt played a sport since he quit soccer for his first part time job. someone thats able to communicate what wasnt working less in a fully cooperating uke "two inches higher on the lapel" way and more like"i felt you stop posting mid sweep and took my ground back". i would wager the complexity of peoples jiu jitsu at what ever skill levels theyre ever going to approach is a bell curve. being able to relate cues from lesson to lesson on isolating limbs, off balancing your partner, immobilizing the hips or the spine, what ever has helped me more than any sequence we've ever gone over. im not writing a phd on funneling people into backside 50/50 from k guard, im getting on top and choking you

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>>266338
You can correct dangerous behavior like someone trying to explode out of fully locked submissions they don't realize are in place. Safety is always priority over representativeness (though white belts shouldn't even be getting put into submissions right away to begin with, it's the final skill to learn and what everyone leads with. You do boxing they have you on pads doing drills for weeks before they let you go full live with someone in sparring it's weird we make people do it day 1) the real mess is instructors try to dampen effort, which is a mentality. You should be conditioned to concede nothing from the get go, every inch you take needs to be earned. I cringe so hard when I see upper belts just let a lower belt pass and go yaaaaasssss gooood. It was not good, he didn't pass you just fucking moved out of the way

>>266342
I have always maintained you're perfectly welcome to remain bad at this if you want to be. I dont know who you are and will never know. I've done the dirty work for you, so you can listen to what I say now or struggle for years then realize I was right later.

>>266354
>>266354
i actually really like your posts and i think you should post more, ive gained a lot of useful information from you. what advice would you give to a 25y/o late blue belt who competes?

t. >>266212

this general stinks

>>266362
You have to focus your intention on the outcome you want, and your attention on the invariant features of it
An arm bar for example does not look any specific way, it just has invariant things that need to happen
You block the shoulder from being able to rotate freely, You put a fulcrum behind the elbow, You apply pressure at the end of the lever /wrist/
Your grip doesn't matter, your leg configuration doesn't matter, what part of your body you stick behind his elbow doesn't matter as long as those conditions are met the arm bar is happening, And if any one of those 3 conditions is not being met your armbar is not happening.

So that's what you need to do, focus externally on what the effect is not the internal mechanism. In that sense the omoplata, the kimura, the Choi bar etc. These are all the same move, The conditions met are universal resulting in physical action happening to your partner's body, thats the move. Connect to and mantain isolation of the shoulder, create elbow flexion in the arm, rotate the end of the lever /wrist/ towards the scapula until they tap or the joint ruptures.
the grip you take in order to achieve that doesn't matter, In the example "techniques" I gave, One used only hand grips, one used only leg grips, the other used a combination of both
All of them however put my partner in the same physical orientation with their arm twisted behind their back

Understanding it from this viewpoint will make you into one of those people that can just come up with slick submissions on the fly from all over the place because you're seeing conditions not shapes

>>266376
would it not make more sense then to have skeletons for grappling dummies

>>266383
If you had a skeleton model with the correct ligament attachments it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to play around with that That's what kind of things you can make happen, but I feel like that area of things is pretty well understood at this point

If you're looking to do thought exercises the right place to start is think of a finishing position then reverse engineer and deconstruct it trying to remove as many things as you can while having it still work
Take the triangle. We know posture needs to be broken in some way otherwise the person will just back out of it. That'll be an Invariant feature, whether their posture is being broken by your leg by your hands or they are on their back and the floor is keeping them in place, doesn't matter. /something/ needs to be blocking them from backing away
What's the other condition needed to choke them? Compression of the arteries
In a classic triangle configuration it would be one of your legs blocking one side and one of his arms blocking the other side.
But what if his arm isn't blocking the other side, what if the arm isn't even trapped at all?
You could shove your own arm in there
As long as/something/is blocking the arteries it doesn't matter if it's your arm or his arm or some other random thing just get the compression.

How about the triangle shape?
locking behind your own knee in that clean triangle is a good way to attach yourself to a person. But closing your legs together and locking it up like that has no bearing on how effective the choke is. you can have your legs completely open and just squeeze with your thighs and he will tap all the same because the compression is what we're after.
I have seen so many people focus on making an asthetic triangle shape with their legs while leaving so much space open you could drive a car through it. It's the wrong focus

I don't even try to get behind my knee. I might cross my ankles a little while I pinch, or even just scissor my legs for a squeeze

>>266354
>with someone in sparring it's weird we make people do it day 1
One of my first rolls was literally against another day 1 noob. However we barely have any injuries in our gym and even the injuries we do get are pretty mild for the most part.

>>266376
>>266386
This is great advice.
If you break submissions down into concepts and principles you can apply them outside of what you have drilled more easily. I often get weird armbars from top mount that don't look like like classic armbars but function the exact same way. You can also pull more cursed things like americanas from weak positions.
The easiest way to make this click is to realize that top mount and closed guard are almost the same positions but flipped.

>>266376
thanks a lot. in addition, do you have any sources you'd recommend looking at? been looking at some of ryan hall and priit mihkelsons stuff recently.

i don't know if i should quit or keep going. i'm 5 years in and i dont rly have anything else in my life rn apart from studies so i have time to train

but the whole sport just feels fundamentally silly and stupid. its the ground fighting aspect that i've just never liked and probably never will like. i'd switch to boxing or wrestling but no community for me there

honestly the only reason i keep going is the community, the homies. if i had another social group in some other setting it would probably be easier to quit

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>>266489
Ryan is a smart guy and right about a lot but he bloviates so much (pot calling the kettle black here) it's not worth your time for what you get
His funk roll instructional he literally sits there talking for over 60 minutes before he even shows what the position is
Priit is good, if you're already in that realm Chris paines and Rob cole have good content. Kyvanne, pj barch, caveat dima who's on the right track but not quite there on the theory behind it all yet. greg and the Corbe bros being pioneers in the space
Even John Danaher the "memorize moves and systems guy" is coming around to this way of thinking. He just made this post, echoing a lot of what we've been talking about
It's funny he got here later than a lot of us did but its a good sign

Also try to form relationships with some of these people like I have
Leave them comments on content and shoot DMs to chat

In the jiujitsu space pros share the mats with hobbyists, the community is small enough you can access lots of people down to just chat about this garbage

>>266529
The only question you need to ask yourself is "is this serving my best interest"
If yes because it's enriching your life in positive ways keep doing it
If no because it's costing you money, time, injuries, you don't enjoy it, it's causing you to stagnate as a person
Then quit

As soon as a voluntary activity stops being a net positive you should find something else to do

Any tips to drill takedowns solo or at least practice them? I always lose during standup and it's frustrating because I can't seem to land the technique well. Even when I get a chance to do something I'm always getting guilyyyy'd. Just need to somehow drill the single leg and double so I stop leading with my neck but no matter how many times I practice shooting, I ALWAYS keep aiming with my head.

I was watching a few reels and I saw a black belt competition where the dude just fucking rips off someone's ankle off at full power in a competition and the comment section were like "this comment section is soft, it's a competition you have to do what you have to do."
I'm a little nervous since I signed up for a competition but is the bjj community REALLY like that? Am I really going to be fighting for my god damn life in there?

>>266986
Are you a high level open weight adult black belt or are you a featherweight masters 1 white? If youre competing in a bracket full of locals remember half your gyms probably cross trained with the people you're gonna see there. Your coaches are probably friendly. No ones gonna try to kill you

>>266691
You can shoot on a hanging heavy bag, watch your head placement, drive your hips through, but its never gonna be the real thing. You can work on footwork on your own though. Had a high level wrestler come in and the details he showed helped huge but a lot of people couldn't put them to good use because they had poor coordination skills that never improve with the minimal stand up training you get in most gyms. Another thing you could try is to just be cognizant of where your head is at all times when you roll for the next couple weeks. Piggybacking off a few posts back, when you're drilling something completely unrelated check and see if your necks in a bad position. When good defense is second nature you can really start to open things up
>>266376
>>266424

>>266988
white belt but still damn people just gonna fucking RIP it like that in competition? like that's a-okay? wtf

>>266992
A podium at a major event for them could mean a new sponsor, a better chance to market instructionals, more privates, a name people recognize if they open their own gym some day, a super fight invitation. If they're being paid they're "professional" athletes and that comes with occupational hazards

>get perfect double armbar setup
>Legs won't go higher to finish it for whatever reason

>Get given pendulum sweep setup (one arm trapped one arm underhooking leg)
>Doesn't work for whatever reason

>Gym is closed until Monday so I can't ask sensei what was I doing wrong

Annoying!

>>266993
I mean it's just more of there's getting a clean sub and then there's just fucking breaking someone's ankle and rendering them out of training for a year that's super fucked.

>>266988
in my experience half the guys who have serious ego problems and enjoy cranking subs at competitions and training are 40+ white and blue belts.

I can't get out of any kind of side control or kesa gatame variations

>>267104
what happens most frequently when you try

>>267104
They purposely taught you wrong as a joke

https://youtu.be/-o-jqPJhEtQ?si=B5xt_n46L9L089Yj

>>267115
Nothing.. I try to frame on their face and push their face away then bridge into them to try and get back to guard or just make space, doesn't work

The funny thing is I can escape full
mount even against bigger guys but any kind of side control forget about it

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What's up with these models who have a belt 5 sizes too big

Alright anons, if you had to choose between these three what would you pick?

1. Gracie Barra with some guy in his mid 20s who was given his black belts by Carlos Gracie Jr

2. Gracie Academy with one of Pedro Sauer’s black belts as the instructor

3. MMA school advertising “American Jiu Jitsu”. Instructor is a black belt under Robert Drysdale and had a 10 year pro MMA career.

>>267244
Closest one

>skipped training because of diarrhea
fuckkkk this has been happening a lot more often and it's driving me insane. I hate it since I've been going a few times where it's risky and jesus I'm fighting for my life in a different way. no it's not diet related it's anxiety from work related fuck

>>267344
get some imodium bro
>>267255
>letting anon risk going to gracie barra
bruh

>>267244
All prospects sound grim but anything with gracie in the name is always legitimately bad jiujitsu, no exceptions

>>267244
Gracie barra is giga jewish and weird

>>267137
are you warping time and space? does your failed bridge bring the timer down to 0:00? when you can't escape the round is over? something clearly happens next. do you turtle? do they advance to mount or north south? gift wrap you and take your back? sub you from side? something else is happening more often than not. start with addressing that

>>267244
just name the schools.
definite no to the sauer school. pedro is legit but his bbs are pretty soft
barra has a massive variance in quality, and i really dont like how they nickel and dime you. also idk if its still a thing but they wouldnt let you go to open mats or visit not barra gyms.
the drysdale gym sounds like the best option. id at least visit. drysdale is 100% legit and very much a student of real bjj history. a bb from him is probably very good

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>>260914
Could you beat Jonah hill?

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>>267596
Easily.

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>>267599
Hiyaa!

question for all the bjj practitioners out there

has there ever been a time you grappled with a woman and didnt jack off thinking about it later?

>>267605
never. i dont find rolling with women as satisfying because i haven't rolled with any seriously competitive women. i dont find bodying an average woman stimulating in any manner. why would you jerk off to a rest round?

>>267605
The flexible korean girl that kept pushing my face around with her feet caused a sexual awakening in me

>>267605
I'm a degenerate permavirgin wizard. I have never jerked off to the thought of any woman I've ever grappled with. As much as I shoot the shit about wishing there were more qt girls around, anytime I actually roll with one my mind goes into work mode.

>>267605
im a total dog and would fuck 75% of the legal female population, but i get zero arousal rolling with girls.
i find rolling with girls having to be pretty boring, it's pretty much work a guard, sweep to mount, let them escape. the fuck else am i going to do, pressure pass and crossface the shit out of them? knee on belly? bow and arrow?

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>>267605
you're asking a bunch of niggas that roll around with sweaty men all day if they get aroused touching women?

>>267605
Just once, i spreaded her legs and she giggled, damn.

>>267605
No

>>267642
finally an honest man

>>260914
>cji3 edition
>cji3 is dead

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>>267693
I'm bummed, but it made no money and everyone who is good is signed to exclusive contracts. It will forever be remembered for making the pit the standard arena for BJJ comp and for that wigger's ferrari song.

>>267694
It proved why BJJ athletes don't deserve to get paid a lot of money, They have no competitive spirit they just play not to lose

The quintet was a complete disaster
And the first one was really boring too there were a few matches that stood out as good

>>267697
I thought the first one was fun aside from that one annoying brazilian faggot they kept giving the mic

>>267697
The quintet was just a shit format, cji1 was cool.

>>267719
It always has been, stalling is the quintet meta
The way to make it good is have a score they need to get like 60 points for the team and it keeps rotating until they get it
And if someone gets subbed they're knocked out for their team
So match ups keep changing

>>267643
I meant I didn't jack off

>>267719
>>267745
>>267697
Nah Quintet format is based. CJI 2 was just shit in particular. All the actual Quintet shows I've seen have been great.

Anything you guys do at the side? I mostly run and gym but I'm still getting washed by everyone at the gym. I'm either gassed out or mind goes into overdrive and overheat and I end up getting in a shittier position. I also have troubles struggling on standup (and it sucks since most of my class don't obviously focus on it even though we'll have them once in a while). It's annoying since we drill takedowns and throws but as soon as I get into free roll, I can't seem to just get into the position to get it which makes me end up losing the position and get stuck in mount. Even if I somehow end up in mount or guard my retention on that still sucks ass.
Any good resources to watch at work or something? I've unironically followed a few people and tried replicating what they do but I admit some of these stuff is memey as fuck.... (feels like I need at least ONE gimmick to do a "surprise bitch!!!!" in comp)

>>267605
I recently rolled with one who had a very aggressive style while also pulling a paper cutter or crossface whenever she could. This activated something in me for a while afterwards but I wasn't into her.
The round wasn't difficult but if I ever get to roll with a cute woman who gets a genuine sub while I go 100% I would most likely get a crush on her.

>>267802
Someone said just breathe through you're nose if you're mouth breathing you're going too hard and not using technique

Answer me this, why is that specific discipline so popular?
To me it just look ugly and clunky.

>>267850
Try it

>>267850
you can touch women

FUCK IM GETTING SO FRUSTERATED. I GET I SHOULDNT BE BUT IM GETTING DOGGED ON AGAINST EVERYONE IN MY GYM except for people who I have like a 50lbs advantage on. (even then the higher belts just completely fold me). I know it's just mat time but FUCKKKK I FEEL LIKE SUCH A LOSER LITERALLY

>>267885
>even then the higher belts just completely fold me
That's what is supposed to happen? If people who weigh less than you flip you around no problem then this means the techniques work. Spend enough time you can use them as well.

>>267886
Yeah I know but fuck man it's not even a struggle for them at all and I'm just hella frustrated with myself when I get stuck. I mean they do help me and tell me what to do or what to try but they'll make it pass a few times and then FUCK THEY COUNTERED IT. I just wish I could give a better fight. fricking lost against someone in their first class yesterday (and although he said he was "new", he was built like a fucking tank and he instantly triangle'd me and I was straight wtf). it's not that I even want to win, it's just that I hate the feeling like when you're playing a fighting game and you're getting out zoned and literally did fucking nothing the entire game.

>>267594
Gracie Barra Chattanooga

Chattanooga Jiu Jitsu Academy

Militia MMA (East Ridge)

I've been training a few months and I spam every bjj thread with my hot takes and wisdom as if I'm a black belt who has been training for 20 years

I'm a no stripe white belt

>eat an hour before bjj
>feel like shitting during warm up
>don't eat an hour before bjj
>about to faint mid warm up
HELP

>>268027
Eat a smaller portion than you usually do.

>>268027
Eat a few hours before BJJ so you shit before going to class.
Alternatively just downsize the meal before class.

So you start in a bjj club and you're the new guy

Realistically will you ever beat the blue belts there? As they are also progressing alongside you, so you will never catch up to them, right?

>>267965
based, i don't even train anymore

>>268049
dude...

>>268049
It really depends on the opponent.
I have weight and strength so I was able to catch up on some opponents eventually. There is one guy who is my weight class and has insane strength. He did martial arts for pretty much all his life and currently I manage to consistently draw against him.

>>268027
>warm ups
Lol, lmao even

Here's $180 of my money to teach me jiujitsu
Ayee no you first must run in circle and do the jumping jacks while I look at my phone

>>268049
Look to your left. Now look to your right
100% of those people won't even be there next year

>>268082
>>>267965

>>268083
They're blue belts who have been there for 3+ years

>>268082
I have mixed opinions on warmups. I like ones that involve things you actually need or have actual grappling involved. But in my opinion actual drilling or even 20% intensity positional sparring is far better for all warmup purposes than exercises which remind me of PE classes.

>>267888
>they do help me and tell me what to do or what to try but they'll make it pass a few times and then FUCK THEY COUNTERED IT
If someone's in your in guard in a comp and you try the same sweep four times in a row they're gonna know that's your only move. A training partner shows you an escape from a shitty position after class, they guide you through hitting it more efficiently a few times, what more do you want? Just keep working

>>267912
Militia, no question about it. You will have the best training partners here.
Head coach and a bunch on instructors there used to teach and train under Dan Henderson himself.
Forget the other places.

After about 8 years of consistent training, I think I might be done. Just not really motivated or interested in it anymore. Anyone get this far and overcome this feeling?
I feel like I'd just prefer to put my time and energy into other hobbies.Maybe I just need to change gyms? Idk

>>264961
Get your purple belt.

Leg locks are not a thing to fear. Ironically jumping guard is.

Leg locks are totally safe with mature training partners. Even heel hooks.

Trust me, I get it. But I'm literally telling you purple belt because thats where I think it tapered off for me. There's a lot blue belts dont understand. There's not as much more that brown belts and black belts understand than purple belts. What they have that a purple belt doesn't is usually a true holistic concept of grappling with good stand up included in it.

Because it takes that fucking long for a lot of pure BJJ guys to not entirely rely on pulling gaurd.

I would also slightly, slightly push back on being anti-youtube. Its a tool for mid level blue belts. White belts should be IP banned from the site. They can't see something and intuitively estimate danger. A blue belt who's emotionally mature and thoughtful about mechanics can make those decissions a lot better.

>try a jujutsu class for the first time
>guy spends an hour showing us calisthenics

Fucking hell man if I wanted to do squats and pushups I would go to the fucking gym

>>268301
Sucks right?

>>268276
Sunk cost and you're in it for the belt at this point
But it's because your teacher sucks. People don't feel how you feel when they're actually improving, it's the plateau and grind that makes them quit
You are turning up to class not because you feel like it's going to make you better but because you feel like you need to show your face so you can get promotions. Many such cases

Your instructor has failed you and you should stop giving him money realistically, You're paying for his approval at this point rather than any information he could give you. Any gains you're making at this point is from stuff you're learning outside of the gym through research you are doing yourself and it has been this way for a while I know.

>>268121
Warm ups are a complete waste of your time man, If someone feels like they need to do jumping jacks and run in circles they can arrive in class 5 minutes early and do it with themselves.
This is a transactional relationship for a practice designed around skill acquisition
Imagine you went to a welding class and the instructor said you had to take a lap around the parking lot before we get started

Even when I was on the track team and doing that competitively we weren't even allowed to jog to Warm up. Sprinters are priming to sprint
We'd do a sprinters jog at first which is just like a slow bouncy shuffle no faster than walking pace to prime the nervous system and muscles
Then you run your fucking event at an easy relaxed pace
Then hit it again with a little more of a clip
Then send it
You get your body ready to do a thing by doing the damn thing not by doing something totally irrelevant
Niggas paying good money to learn jiujitsu and spend a half hour doing some bitch ass aerobic jazzercise shit

>>268351
Warm ups prevent injury

>>268351
You think you're so clever but you're actually so stupid lmfao comparing welding to bjj .. does welding need you to spar cranking peoples limbs and flipping around and wrestling people no you dumbass lol
every sport has warm ups wrestling judo MT boxing etc but oh the magical bjj is too good for warmups you just learn teh skill bro oouhh owe why my neck got bulging disk

Also I don't care if you're a black belt, I know black belts who are dumb as fuck

>>268392
Yeah the ones that do warmups

>>268391
Running in circles and doing burpees isn't a warmup, those are exercises

>if you run a lap your neck wont explode when you get stacked by the 250 lb blue belt with something to prove
>if you do enough forward rolls your knee wont explode when señor instagram shotguns a heel hook
lol

>go to class
>spend 25 minutes running in circles and shrimping around to "warm up"
>teacher makes everyone sit in a circle now while he shows moves and goes into a bunch of details that may or may not even be relevant (everyone's cooling down btw)
>rep back and forth
>he does it again
>you do it again
>he does it again
>you do it again
>class has been going on for an hour
>ok time to roll
>you've already forgotten everything you were just shown because motor learning isn't a cognitive process and 100% of science on the topic agrees with this
>basically fuck around and find out for 15 minutes
>go home and watch instructionals because your retarded instructor didn't do the one thing you're paying him to do
>all in spent at least 2 hours doing activities other than jiujitsu (the thing you specifically went there to do)
>go to next class
>anyone remember what we went over last time?
>not a single hand goes up because motor learning isn't a cognitive process :^)

Hey maybe it wouldn't take you 12 years to get a black belt in this if the time you carve out of your schedule to do jiujitsu was actually spent doing fucking jiujitsu and not shrimping and picking at your toes while you stare at the ceiling tiles

Any professional athlete in any sport does warm up, the amount of arrogance and stupidity in bjj is aalways amazing.

>>268455
Ok show me a professional athlete running laps, doing burpees, squats, and pushups SPECIFICALLY TO WARM UP FOR A PROFESSIONAL EVENT.

Go ahead, we'll wait.

>>268461
Football players run, lifter squat with lower weights before reaching the max load, you can see the fucking japanese judo national team running on youtube. Stop sperging on basic little things like a retard.

>>268462
So you cant

>>268465
You will do your jumping jacks and you will smile while doing it.

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>>268462
>Football players run, lifter squat with lower weights before reaching the max load
So you're saying they warm up their bodies to do an activity by doing the activity they are warming up for
So how about instead of being a retard doing calisthenics you just start your jiujitsu cold and ease into it
Look backstage for UFC fighters their warm-ups involve hitting pads not doing fucking somersaults and bear crawls

>japanese judo team
Retards you mean?

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Agh ah I feel it! I'm WARMIIIING!!!!

>>268469
Backstage ufc fighters doing pads is drilling it's not just a warm up but whatever. Yes you can do anything to warm up, you can do push ups or you can pass guard or whatever you want just move your body it doesn't matter. You have this bad habit that comes from watching too many youtube videos of wanting to optimize every little thing and get mad about it. All the world champions you like have grown up doing push ups and squats and running and all the irrelevant things you hate so much.

did this general REALLY need a schizo

>>268482
Its part of what makes a general thread
Theres always one

>>268472
All the non-world championship also did all that bullshit, it's not an argument in your favor

Do whatever mental gymnastics you want to go along with the literal gymnastics your retarded jiujitsu instructor forces you to do instead of actually running the class
I'll keep getting better at grappling
My students will keep getting better grappling
And you'll be really super good at shrimping, seriously the fastest shrimper in the county I bet, nobody can scoot or crab walk to the other end of the mat faster than you

I don't like that anyone who has an opinion and defends it more than twice is considered a "schizo" these days.

hindu squats hindu pushups and neck bridges remain the goated bjj warmup but this most gyms are populated exclusively by people that arent capable of hitting 50 of either. blood flow to the muscles and a little mobility in the hips and shoulders, what more do you need? static stretching before someone reefs on your shit is a terrible idea and youd know that if you played literally any other sport

>>268489
Out of curiosity, what does your typical training session look like?

>>268510
I'll recount todays class
Begin with battling your partner for double inside elbow ties, thats it.
Next, add the additional condition, if you're losing the inside battle and can't recover it get as far outside as possible without losing connection ex; Russians, arm drags, over ties.
So now the person controlling inside position has to consider staying square in addition to winning the hand battle
Next, All conditions are still in play Whoever the first person to capture a single leg automatically wins. Don't need to finish the single leg just need to capture it hug it lift it reset. Now level changing and clearing posts is a factor
About 6 minutes into class at this point
From here on if possible I would like people to switch Partners periodically and gain exposure to different body types and play styles

Next section is head taps and knee taps
Touching a head or knee scores 1 point, once you get 3 points total capture a single leg, Whoever completes the task first wins and reset/switch partners. So we're still occupying the same area as the previous activity but we've taken it one step further out to an arm's length.
Added condition, In addition to the rules we currently have if either person captures a body lock or a head and arm connection they automatically wins, no points required
12 minutes into class now. I'll stop listing that but just assume each focus is running 5-6 minutes

Next we hit the floor. One partner can start seated or in turtle, The other starts kneeling with grips on the ankles.
The seated partners objective is to just try and get both of their feet under them and stand
Attacking partner you are to delay that as long as possible by attacking posts picking the ankles grabbing the arms trying to keep them down without pinning the torso. just managing connections to the floor.
That skill is necessary as we now shift in to guard passing.

>>268542
One player lays on their back the other stands over them
Top player you need to score 3 of our made up points again By touching your foot to the outside of his hip bone and withdrawing it back. Once you do that 3 times Create a chest to chest connection to win.
Bottom player can win by doing any of the following, Retreating backwards to stand up cleanly, Sweeping the top player with open guard, Or wrestling up on a single
That's why the preamble activity was important for this one because passing and pinning need to be done at the same time. you have to be able to hold somebody down in place before you have connection to their torso secured
Constraints are top player you cannot put your knees to the ground to accomplish this if you drop to your knees the other guy wins.
Bottom player you cannot close your guard to hold him in place you have to live in the open guard space and engage with it.

Moving on to the next section
Start in a side control position, Orientation of your choice however you like to do that, But you need to have elbow control. Whether you're doing that with an under hook, overhook, you have your knee in place whatever it is doesn't matter but his elbows need to be elevated off the ground with your body wedged under them in some way.
Top players goal is transition from side control to a mounted position, Climb the body and hold them there for as long as possible.
Bottom player all they have to do is slip their elbows and get them down to the floor to build a frame against their partner. Don't even need to escape just need to build the frame. if the top player allows a frame to be built against them from such a dominant position they have failed. reset and do it again

>>268543
Finally starting from that same side control configuration you now need to maintain connection, Create isolation like we did in the last activity, And attack a submission of your choice.
Again the bottom player doesn't even need to escape, As soon as they slip an elbow and you no longer have isolation over their arms they win, top player has lost connection so their submission attempt is over.
If you are more advanced it's dealer's choice you can do whatever submission you like, If you are super advanced the restriction is you're not allowed to do the same submission more than once if you've had success
If you are a beginner then just stick to an arm bar so you have a clear path forward

Total class time 45 minutes. Bell to bell live work, Deliberate intention led exercises, With high representativeness and specificity for live competition.
At this point the floor is now open for regular rolls for anyone that wants them

My 45 minutes of training has more relevant skill building in it than 90 minutes under the bullshit traditional methods No junk volume, No crab walks, no compliant katas, No sitting in a circle listening to the teacher go on a diatribe.
And you actually get to the rolling before a traditional class has even gotten through their first move.

And the most important part about this is both players are actually doing something at the same time
There's never a moment where someone's just laying there allowing their body to be used as a grappling dummy
You can judge for yourself what style of class you would rather spend your time and money on

people around here might want to go ahead and call me a schizo if they feel like it, Or maybe they consider that I have a formal education in motor learning and athletic program design unlike 9999%+ percent of jiujitsu instructors.

Can you please get a trip

>>268489
>My students will keep getting better grappling
What is the school that you run so I can join?

>>268553
Can you?

>>268497
Stupid people with zero passion for anything can't comprehend people giving a shit about things
It's a wonder they find themselves here and not on /b/

>>268436
At >150$ a month it's insane that we can spend 15-20 minutes doing bullshit calisthenics, with enough at the time at the end for a whopping 3 5-min rolls

why is this guy samefagging

>>268565
Have you considered you're just on the wrong side of this?

Is it normal to spend the whole round basically stuck in someone's closed guard and you are both in a stalemate

(he is trying to break posture and you are trying to posture up and escape but you just keep hand fighting and stripping grips for 5 minutes)

>>268732
If youre bot world class black belts competing in the gi or if youre both retards that wont last the next six months sure

>>268773
I don't really understand this smug reply

It's like, okay so you want me to go 60% so the opponent can sweep or sub me?

Then it becomes aikido tier

>>268774
Youre training. You gain nothing from five minutes of stalling

>>268779
I gain nothing from compliant drilling at 50%

A.i said if you're in closed guard and they can't break your posture you're winning

>ai said if i cant pass guard i win
We're done here

>>268781
I accept your defeat

Fucking retard. Where do you train?

Back from the gym. Passed guard tonight which I guess means I lost. Does anybody have any tips on not passing guard? Ideally I'd like to keep my posture up right and just not pass guard but when I go 100% I pass guard and drilling at 50% is aikido tier. I want to stall at full speed, should I find a new gym?

>>268809
Schizophrenia

>>268824
A.I said if someone calls me schizophrenic I win

>>268829
A.i is clearly more intelligent than you

>Just let people sweep and sub you bro that's how you learn jiu jitsu I am so smart

If you're both stalling that means you're both as good as each other. You won't be able to stall in a black belts guard because he will just break your posture

speaking of aikido, im gonna base my entire game around wrist locks and nothing else

>>268830
i hope you break your fucking neck

>>268859
Why you mad though ?

>I so smart just go 60% so he can go 70% and sweep you haha that's how you learn bro

if the best bjj guy fought the best sambo guy who would win if the rules where no rules no time limit submission only

>>268870
>submission only
Any submission only ruleset is inherently going to favor BJJ since they're the only ones who do sub-only competitions+prioritize submissions in general the most.

>>268869
All I'm saying is if you're there to train and you're sitting in one position for an entire round you're wasting your time. You're there to get better. Id suggest standing up and trying to pass from something open but what the fuck
>>268732
> you are trying to posture up and escape
You don't escape closed guard. You have the force of your entire body working against his ankles and you cant stand up? You seriously think you "won" a roll by camping in someones guard? You'll learn more actively working off your back for 5 minutes then you will hand fighting when you dont even know how to break open a guard. I tried to help you and I'm angry because I've seen stubborn retards like you roll through on three month sign up promotions hundreds of times and the sooner I can demoralize you the sooner a couple dozen people in your life that probably dont even know your name, nevermind give a shit if you get swept, will never have to see you again.

>>268870
There is no choking in Sambo, its a tremendous blind spot for them

>>268892
Blah blah blah . No one cares about your unwarranted self importance. If you can't give some actual genuine advice instead of being a smug troll then just be quiet

Unpleasant guy!

>>268901
Kill yourself you fucking stupid faggot

>>268924
10iq

>blah blah blah
>i cant read
>give it to me in 4 word nuggets like muh ai
You dont want help. You asked if it was normal to spend an entire round stuck in someones closed guard. It's not unless youre terrible. You want someone to tell you you're doing good when you aren't. The better you can get at feeling pressure and isolating limbs the better you'll get at jiu jitsu and you can do that from the bottom. You can't do that when you're grip fighting with another perma white belt retard. Gonna complain this post is too long too?

>>268969
>Willian “Kabuto”, the Brazilian jiu-jitsu athlete who suffered a severe cervical-spine injury after being thrown head-first in a match in Londrina. Recent reporting says he sustained a high cervical fracture, underwent nearly 10 hours of surgery, is currently clinically stable and breathing independently, has some small arm movements, but has no movement or sensation from the chest downward.

From a translation of cnn brazil article

>>268969
It's the vegetables fault
He put himself in that situation and had plenty of opportunity to let go, he chose winning some dumb competition over his own safety and put his faith in a stranger to do be the one that protects his body
And it's not like he was even about to win either, he was just stalling and hanging there like the kid in this thread that's been stuck in guard for 3 days

>>268969
Slams should be legal and not just ADCC cope legal if a subs locked in. BJJ is the only form of grappling where youre penalized for taking the grappling to the mat the wrong way. I was slammed from maybe two feet once in an mma round going for a kimura on someone thats got about 40 lbs on me in my guard and sure it sucked for a minute but it was an invaluable lesson
>>268972
Careful or he'll call you schizophrenic or, God forbid, unpleasant

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>>268969
dont wanna victim blame but that was just a really dumb fuckin place to put yourself in
no idea what was going through the head of the guy on top either

>both presumably black belts
come on now

>>268956
>Never stall too long, it's better to be swept and actively try some escapes from bottom

Thank you for your advice. I hope I am understanding this correctly

>>268969
The psychotic guy knew he was going to spike him on the neck and then sat right beside him to admire his handiwork

>>268976
Both retards but if you're going to almost kill someone for sport you're a psycho.

why do we see so little counteroffense in jiujitsu standing exchanges? i watched nick mataya vs jacob bornemann and this came to mind. bornemann constantly tried different takedowns, mataya pretty much just defended them, disengaged and back to neutral. why not throw in some counteroffense? he did not even try a counteroffensive move a single time. and this isnt the only case, i see this constantly in jiujitsu standing exchanges, one guy will attempt soem sort of takedown like an arm drag, a shot, slideby, whatever, the other will defend it by just disengaging, not even thinking about "staying in the scramble" and maybe scoring yourself. why?

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>>269084
not sure if you've noticed but the level of wrestling in bjj is pretty low https://youtu.be/KzZpDnjtxP4?t=130

really depends on the grappler and ruleset though; if you're in a competition and you know the other guy is better on the feet than you are, then there is no real reason to even attempt wrestling with them if you're in it to win it.

got a huge ass cut during training on my forehead.
what are some fun excuses to say when people ask me what happened?

>>269143
eatin pussy