If it was all the greatest fighters of that time a hobbyist that practices 3x a week today would still beat them all

Nobody knew how to fight until 2015

>>261356
>2015
Have you ever heard of St-Pierre? Or Silva? Or Fedor?
Most retarded take of all time

It'd probably be a wrestler. boxers and strikers would probably lose due to the lack of space.

>>261360
They had that dog in them, but their skills were rudimentary by today's standards

Think about how mind blowing revolutionary it was that GSP would use striking to set up wrestling
He actually changed the game by doing some basic shit like they

Raiden would win, obviously.

>>261356
>ignoring athleticism

lol a hobbyist will gas running a couple miles someone like karelin would rape them without even knowing martial arts at all

>>261356
>Nobody knew how to fight until 2015
Does Pride FC, Pancrase or Shooto not fucking exist for you?
I can understand someone saying that until the 2000s there weren't any real competent fighters. But I can't understand arguing that until 2015 there weren't any real fighters. Seriously what the fuck kind of bullshit argument is this?

>>261704
This is what the "masters" of the previous generation look like on the mat
Their skill are rudimentary and comically bad, a 2x blue belt is better than this

https://youtube.com/shorts/lWQmC3NdKCo?si=xlXgweqfKODzWA9C

>>261705
First of all, I don't see what the fuck this has to do with my point, especially when I cited shit like Pride FC or Shooto. This is some old geriatric BJJ guy, I presume some old Gracie fart, but it's a common fact that the Gracies were jobbers that falsified their records. That's why someone like Kimura or Sakuraba made short work of them. This is a common fact, only BJJ guys and UFC fans worship BJJ.
Secondly, no shit. They are old men now. That's like someone saying no one knew how to fight until Tyson Fury because Mike Tyson now fights like a geriatric.

>>261706
Those guys are the same generation you're talking about from pride
Dudes from pride are in their 60s now

Back in those days everyone was equally bad at fighting so they looked impressive

It would've been interesting to see Erik Paulson fight in UFC 1, since he had already fought in Shooto beforehand. He wanted to, but the Gracies (who he was training with at the time) didn't want him doing it. So he was just in Royce's corner instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FD99xVcibw
fight starts at 8:11

>>261711
That fight was after UFC 1, here's the 1993 one from before it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbwAzPOaAM
15:30

>>261710
>Those guys are the same generation you're talking about from pride
They didn't participate in Pride, did they? Or are you saying those are old retired Pride champions? Cause I don't see Cro Cop nor Don Frye nor Sakuraba in these fucking clips.
Also even if you were correct and these were some peak fucking athletes who secretly dominated the hidden tournament in my 90s, again see again my point of "just because Mike Tyson now fights like a geriatric now does not mean he was never a good fighter" you fucking idiot. But even then, they aren't, these are some random old dudes, unless one of these is a Gracie, but again, they've all been fraud checked in Pride by Sakuraba.
Also what part of most BJJ practitioners being frauds do you not understand? Hell, the UFC is awful now because it's dominated by BJJfaggots and shitty mediocre Kickboxers, the latter of whom would easily be mogged by Andy Hug if he were still alive, or even Nicholas Pettas.
>Back in those days everyone was equally bad at fighting so they looked impressive
Your proof is...a bunch of old BJJ geriatric practitioners? (With no context as to whether or not they are actual veterans or just a bunch of old dudes that started recently)
Jesus christ, no wonder the stereotype of modern UFC fans being braindead still rings fucking true.

Jon Jones
>>261726
>the UFC is dominated by frauds and shitty fighters
ebin. how are they dominating if they dont know how to fight?

>>261711
He's a big fat phoney just like all the rest

https://youtube.com/shorts/wq2-tRa61qk?si=Hm53LcbucUtbvBkk

>>261870
>ebin. how are they dominating if they dont know how to fight?
First of all, nice misquote of what I said. You know what I said was more nuanced than that.
Secondly, the problem is Dana White's low payments and the UFC's low standards.
Look at Rizin, Pride or even Kickboxing places like ONE or K-1. They all have professional well-paid fighters, most of which are diverse in their styles and systems as well.
Dana White pays his fighters peanuts, as such desperate tattooed low-income men who speedrun their skills get in to get some sort of quick buck. Sure there's a few great fighters here and there. But the majority of fighters that get into the UFC nowadays are just very meh.
This should be obvious to anyone who actually watches shit other than the UFC.

>>261875
Nah. Despite posting some weird stuff on his instagram/youtube like that, and having some weird beliefs outside of martial arts, he's extremely legit.

>>261435
gsp won his second belt in 2017 retard

>>261440
Karelin knows wrestling the oldest martial art and still only did a MMA scripted fight ....

>>261355
I think probably Tyson would win
stretching back there are warriors of old that
would probably rek everybody
like giants and stuff even if you want
there is no competition
David even if you want to understand like that
about purpose; or even his lion like men later
if you want to return to pure physicality.
there are people we have never seen
i dont know but i do almost guarantee they
are a lot tougher.

however for our approach
i think tyson would knock the Gracies out or
whoever Karelin is.
the guy was 5'9" knocking people out a foot taller
than him constantly in his prime.
he was very humble in the beginning and in that
stage he was probably "the baddest man on the planet"
that said id fight him purely for fun in his prime

Lennox did beat him but he also said(even though they were
around the same age) that Mike in his prime would probably win.
he did say that right? i cant remember but during the post fight
interview in the ring i think he said that.

Mike needed that speed of his teens and early twenties to
match his peekaboo style.
and that lost its edge by his 30s because also Mike lost his
edge.
he needed the clarity provided by Cus.

an awesome warrior and a cool guy.
primarily just as he was, a cool boxer. a great boxer.

Foreman also had a huge knock out ratio and is a legendary
boxer in his own right.
he could take a beating. and if he caught you then anyone would
go down if he got you right on the chin with a clubbing right.

i think you have to give it to the boxers.
while grappling is awesome in its own right because it works
and as a fight science its awesome to level the playing field
like that. its really funny. to nullify someone like that.
but if the boxers hit you its over
if they could
and if youre knocked out youre dead
its like the rock shrimp. a tiny sucker but i do think
that velocity and precision outmatch physicality in the sense
of brute strength because we all have a tiny compiler segment
sitting about on our shoulders and knocking it around sends
an overload of signals causing the brain to shut down to just
probably sort things out as an extreme precaution.
its the best buts nothing is perfect, if they missed or didnt get
the hit in then they could be grappled and torqued.
then you could give it to someone with raw body mass and
strength like Hapthor.
Id fight Hapthor too but man would it suck.
its like a last stitch effort for all these great warriors.
one huge battle and man UFC 1 was brutal.
Gracie had that going for him
he could control the battle well.
and really i think he could do the same to Hapthor.
and also that Hawaiian preacher was awesome.
did he win UFC 1?
its really a standard for debate.
there are some Hawaiian warriors that have an intense fighting
spirit.
id love to see the progenitors of that genetic memory progenitation.
itd be cool.
strange warriors.

i dont know of many great fighters thats my problem
but also i would fight all of them

make a punch like the rock shrimp on that 6 inch dome
Mike Tyson trained his neck for this purpose.
click that around and you win.
its possible to knock people down much bigger
absolutely max that peekaboo style one punch click and get
a few of them in
really like velocity energy equating to broken jaws and teeth
but you have to be able to deliver it
not many people could generate the fighting spirit
required to hit the spirit that hard.

>>268850
Clueless

Was ground and pound allowed? If so, Karelin, would just throw people on their stomach, sit on them, and punch head. Though I suspect Karelin's success is mostly due to nobody giving a crap about greco, and russians pumping him full of steroids when everyone else in his weight class was just a fatass.

>>268868
im not talking about sustained competition
only a gauntlet with people picked out of time
for one tournament

>>268979
Karelin couldn't even do 1 real MMA fight it had to be a staged fight

He's a wrestler, 1 leg kick and he's limping and crying