Do you guys make notes and diagrams for your martial arts and have reference books?I have been thinking about getting the Kodokan book since I won't be doing judo for the foreseeable future and also making notes for my karate and judo.
Nah It's a rookie mistake to try and turn a physical activity into an academic one This in the literature is exactly what causes people to choke, They spend too much time thinking about what to do and not enough time just doing it reflexively You can't summon skill through a cognitive process, you have to just move and let your nervous system go on autopilotYou can't think faster than your senses
>>261823Just watch footage. You can find videos on any particular fight/technique/martial art, helps a lot with development and applying skills. Plus I feel like visuals work much better then a book or something.
>>261831>>261872Fair points. Though do you ever keep diagrams for reference or have a playlist of videos? I tend to save videos and rewatch ones that I feel I need more practice on and mimic what I see. For diagrams I pretty much just use for kata
>>261823Ive made an effort to incorporate reading books from old masters and modern academics as part of my training which has helped me greatly in advancing my skill. Just like the first anon said though if all you do is read and dont get dirty on the floor then all of the information is still useless
>>262207Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of getting pic related for my judo and maybe "Best karate" for my Shotokan training or even "Karate-do my way of life".What have you read/recommend?
>>262360I can't give any thoughts on Kano's books but I think Funakoshi's book is a great book for looking into his philosophy and methods on Shotokan pre complete Japanization. From what I've heard Nakayama's Best Karate book series are mainly for fundamentals and the technicality of kata. Most of the reading I've done is for Goju Ryu but I think the concepts that they teach can still be applied to other styles. Iain Abernathy and Lawrence Kane are good if your goal is raw self defence but there are many other good authors as well.
>>262850Is it safe to assume Funakoshi's book deals more with history and philosophy rather than being a "textbook" on pre Japanisation-Shotokan? Either way that seems interesting. Weird question, but, did you feel you were a better karateka after reading the book?
>>262966Pretty much. Most old Karate authors books are like that. Reading the book won't suddenly imbue you with some ancient secret though. In my view books are there to aid you when analyzing or critiquing your Karate. In the end it all falls on you to come to an answer that makes sense and works for you.
>>261831Wise words
>>261831Study is useful as a starting point and for refinement. Thinking about what to do and doing it reflexively are two different stages of the learning process. Kano developed kata guruma from reading about the fireman's carry in American wrestling and used it to great effect. When switching from wrestling to judo I turned my fireman's carry into kata guruma (back when you were allowed to do it properly) by studying the textbook. I've found a number of unfamiliar techniques, interesting variations, and helpful optimizations from reading books and watching videos pertaining to judo and other disciplines; anyone I've known who is competent and trains seriously does this or has coaches who do it for them. >>262360I've referenced that book enough times over the years that I'll be getting a second one in the next year or two for when the binding finally fails. You can find scans online to screencap for internet discussion of techniques. You'll get a lot more mileage out of it once you're actually training but it will still be interesting as a primer on judo.
>>263013Interesting. Well the history is interesting though I wish some mythical ancient secret knowledge would appear to me>>264640This is what I was thinking about. A few at my dojo will watch videos/tutorials on technique, others not as much. Reading I don't think many do. For kata I have some diagrams of the steps that I have attempted to draw and others that I have found online and I think about this in the same regard. I should definately look into those Shotokan books and the Kano bookFor "study" and training outside of the dojo, do you ever write down what you will focus on for the session or week and steps to a technique or anything that you have figured out on your own? Pic related is what I put together from online diagrams for when I practice at home as part of kihon on my boxing bag or judo resistence band stuff
>>264640Kano came to a lot of wrong conclusions and people base their research on his poor findings. That's a problem
>>264712>For "study" and training outside of the dojo, do you ever write down what you will focus on for the session or week and steps to a technique or anything that you have figured out on your own?Back when I was in the habit of keeping notes (a good habit, I've just gotten lazy) I would write things down immediately after a session, taking note of new things I learned, mistakes I needed to correct, or problems I needed to optimize or solve. I would have these things in mind while reading relevant pages or watching relevant videos in between training sessions, occasionally amending my notes, and right before the next session I would read my last few pages of notes as a reminder of what I'd been working on. I've never taken the time to get good at figure drawing (I downloaded the Loomis figure drawing books from >>>/ic/7550155 over a decade ago but haven't spent more than a couple hours with them since; I like the idea of being able to draw pretty judo notes but I don't actually care enough for the time investment) so it's all stick figures and descriptions but it works well enough. I also use a lot of bookmarks in any books I may be referencing, and if what I'm doing differs from the textbook version I'll either keep that in the front of my mind when reading or actually write out some brief notes on the bookmark. Some people might write in the book directly but I don't like doing that. >>264741Publish a rebuttal. Add your superior research and findings to the knowledge pile. One of the advantages of studying past works is learning from past mistakes.
>>264779 Problem is people just appeal to tradition, For whatever reason they've decided what a geriatric manlet said 150 years ago is now the word of GodI don't even want to shit on him but it's the idolization of historical figures and the pseudo-religions formed around themFor example, step one "kuzushi" break the balanceOk so how should I do that? With mind bullets?Obviously to any reasonable person step one is create connectionThe whole 3 step system is flawed which is just the tipThe entire way techniques are categorized is equally incoherentThere is functionally little difference between an uchimata and a high crotch In both cases connect to your partner's thigh, lift and split their legs, Rotate them over The orientation of your body in relation to them is actually irrelevant The external effect on the other person is what we're trying to achieve doesn't matter if I use my arm to do it and I'm facing them or if I use my leg do it and I'm facing away from them, If I keep in mind all I have to do is lift one of their legs and rotate them around I could do so in various ways They might look different but mechanically they're the same technique
>>264800>For whatever reason they've decided what a geriatric manlet said 150 years ago is now the word of GodI don't get the impression you discuss judo seriously with many serious judoka. Kano's direct students were publishing their own variations and made-up techniques and people still do today, particularly with the changes in competitive rules requiring new optimizations. >For example, step one "kuzushi" break the balance>Ok so how should I do that?This is taught immediately, repeatedly, and extensively. Pic related is from what's probably the most common judo textbook. >Obviously to any reasonable person step one is create connectionThis is step zero because you can have your grip established without working for a throw. Posture and grip are taught, necessarily, before kuzushi. >The entire way techniques are categorized is equally incoherentI can agree it's an imperfect taxonomy (as most are) but it's coherent enough to be useful for discussion. >I could do so in various waysYes. There are many variations off of the core curriculum and have been from the very start. The
>>264802There can't be a step zero, establishing connection is a step and more precisely a skill judo doesn't teach And they have to compensate for that in the rules by making it so you are not allowed to deny access to grips, you have to let the other person touch youWhich is of course ridiculous
>>264804>establishing connection is a step and more precisely a skill judo doesn't teachGrip and gripfighting is taught in every judo program. I say it is "step zero" because it's an assumed prerequisite for push-pull kuzushi and generally discussed as a different skill subset. >you have to let the other person touch youThis exists in every grappling sport because the alternative is to allow stalling which is a waste of everyone's time.
>>264806 Kuzushi is fake though If you go for a double leg, You are making a connection and "creating the shape" before doing anything to his balance And that's the case in reality for almost anythingWe've all seen the connect then hop hop hop until he falls over People deliberately practicing the sticky footIf you can do the steps out of sequence then the steps don't exist
>>264808>Kuzushi is fake thoughMCMAP just calls it "unbalancing" if the Japanese term is confusing you. They teach throws with the exact same system, same eight directions of kuzushi/unbalancing. >If you go for a double leg, You are making a connection and "creating the shape" before doing anything to his balanceYou are not a wrestler. There are a multitude of tricks and setups to fuck with someone's balance and momentum (kuzushi) before attempting a shot.
>>264809Unbalancing someone isn't a step in the process, it's the end goalThis is why people have so much trouble knocking each other over when its the most piss easy thing to do, they're not focusing their intention People practice this shit like it's a waltz they actually count it out 123 123 step turn lift step turn lift That's not real, it's barely a step above chi blasts. I can't even talk to judo people about this because I'm dealing with retardsThis guy who is a physican mind you said not to lift weights "that's time you could've spent training"
>>264814>I can't even talk to judo people about this because I'm dealing with retardsI've been genuinely wondering if you are low- to mid-functioning autistic because of the way you hamstring yourself with asinine absolutes and don't seem to grasp abstract concepts.
>>264815Abstraction is exactly what Im trying to avoidI'm rejecting judo as a philosophy and a system"maximum efficiency, minimum effort"I say "maximum effectiveness, efficiency is irrelevant" if it was effective then it was exactly as efficient as it needed to beI reject 8 directionsA circle isn't 8 directions, why only 8, why not 16, why not 137? Because 8 is important in Buddhism and the old midget in a dress said soAnd then there's the clasifications, Nami, kata, and gyaku jime are the same exact move for example The direction your thumb is pointing is wholly irrelevant to mechanically choking someone You could even complete that choke without gripping at all because the wrist bone is what's applying the pressure There is too much internal focus on what your body is doing and not enough on the external of how is it affecting the other person How often have you seen people fumbling around because they can't finish these basic ass collar chokes and it's because they're so transfixed about having the precise correct grip, making sure that their 4 fingers are hooking just right, and their thumbs aren't facing the wrong direction, Meanwhile they have no pressure on the arteries
>>264819>I say "maximum effectiveness, efficiency is irrelevant" if it was effective then it was exactly as efficient as it needed to beNobody who trains seriously in any fighting discipline thinks this. You can easily gas yourself out prematurely with effective techniques executed inefficiently or with excess force. >A circle isn't 8 directions, why only 8, why not 16, why not 137?The same reason a typical compass rose is in eight directions: straight, sideways, and diagonal are good enough for a coarse description of the direction in which a human body is moving across the ground. Sometimes a specific direction between the eight is discussed for some niche application just like sometimes north-east-east is useful when giving a more precise heading but usually the eight are specific enough. >And then there's the clasifications, Nami, kata, and gyaku jime are the same exact move for exampleThese are similar choke variations but are not the "same exact move," which should be obvious to the guy who needs all 360 degrees of kuzushi defined for him. >There is too much internal focus on what your body is doing and not enough on the external of how is it affecting the other personEvery submission grappling school I've visited, judo included, explains how chokes work to the students so that they understand what they're trying to accomplish with the techniques they're learning.>How often have you seen people fumbling around because they can't finish these basic ass collar chokes and it's because they're so transfixed about having the precise correct grip, making sure that their 4 fingers are hooking just right, and their thumbs aren't facing the wrong direction, Meanwhile they have no pressure on the arteriesBasically never, but perhaps that's because I've never coached the special needs class. You teach people the objective and then show them some tools with which they can achieve that objective and they usually figure it out pretty quickly.
