How goes the training bros? Im workshopping a crescent kick -> sideswing combo. Just learned how to do a roundhouse with my front foot and it is incredibly awkward. I also keep dropping my arms or raising them too high like a muay thai fighter when sparring. Im thinking of trying resistance training in the water now that it is summertime. Any tips for that?Remember you must never use it unless you know how to incapacitate without evidence.
>>263630I tried watching some Karate matches from a bunch of different years and still don't fully understand the rules.Seems like it's fencing where all you have to do is tag the opponent with a clean strike regardless of how hard it hitsWas also surprised to see in a match where a fighter got fouled for "too much contact" which seemed strange to me since iirc Karate had grabs
>>263635It wasnt designed for tournaments so thats probably why the rules are fucky. Its about control of the body and ending a conflict as quick as you possibly can, and most people dont want to legitimately hurt other practicioners of the art. If its a thing of too much contact thats probably like in boxing when they hug eachother and the ref breaks it up. It doesnt film well, but from what ive seen in my own real life experiences it is positive in a shitton of ways.
>>263635As far as points karate goes, there's 2 main orgs with different rulesets: JKA and WKF. Both are gay, but the WKF rules are gayer. WKF was the ruleset used in the Olympics, where the guy who got knocked the fuck out out was the one who won gold. JKA isn't full contact, but seems to allow incidental knockdowns at least.
>>263683This is just bare knuckle boxing with kicks to worry about.. why aren't they wearing gum shields Idiots
>>263683Is that the dude from kuro obi?
The only kumite rules worth anything are Kyokushin rules.
There’s no full contact karate near me so I’m going to kickboxing classes at an MMA gym. Feels bad bros. At least the kickboxing coach fought professionally.
I guess the other karategen must have died...Anyway, does anyone know about "Mumonkai Karatedo?" It looks like someone reinvented Kudo from first principles. https://youtu.be/Hs72DkOCXuc?si=WaO9YJ2TJBR89H_g
>>264565They have this weird signature stance/kamae-dachi, it's kinda like some kind of sword and shield style stance
>>263637>and most people dont want to legitimately hurt other practicioners of the artwhat? that's so weird for a combat sportlike, you don't see Muay Thai fighters worrying about things like thisalso from what I've watched there doesn't seem to be any mouth guards despite head strikes being legal so like idk, is there any reason they're not using them?
Are you part of JKA? Whats your experience like with it? My dojo does not do a lot of kumite, though I am not part of the brown+black belt class. From what I have seen they do more sparring there
>>264594>what? that's so weird for a combat sportIt's pretty common and why rules exist. You don't want to break your fighting buddies or they can't fight with you anymore. You'll see it sometimes in MMA matches where the ref is slow to call a match and the guy winning is asking for permission to stop beating a defenseless man he doesn't want to permanently injure. It's one of the core tenants of judo and generally just a good utilitarian policy and natural non-psychopath mentality.
>>264594>that's so weird for a combat sportYou can't win without there being someone who loses. Yes we train to beat the brakes off each other (well I do at my Kyokushin class), but ultimately we all want to become stronger.
Anyone have any of these DVDs? or know where I can download them?
Never done karate before, but there's a Meibukan dojo near me (whatever that means). What am I in for?
>>265055It’s a Goju Ryu branch. It’s legit.
>>265097Have any more details off the top of your head? What I've found online makes me think they're a bit off the beaten path.
>>265101If it’s the Meibukan I’m familiar with then it’s traditional Okinawan style Goju Ryu. I did a two week trial at one of their dojos and it was a good experience. There was a huge focus on self defense applicable techniques and a nearly nonexistent focus on competition. The school near me flies out to a huge knockdown competition halfway across the country once a year but that’s it. I’d recommend it if you want the traditional karate experience. They still do katas but they’re less kata heavy than something like Shito Ryu. I didn’t continue going after the trial because I’m interested in full contact competition and sparring and the school didn’t do kumite that often. Most schools in the organization will do kumite more than the one I tried.
>>265105Very good to know, thanks! It seems it's an org related to the first north american black belt that's split off? Seems interesting if nothing else.
>>264893>know where I can download them?hahahahahahhabe thankfull youtube still have LOTS of videos from the kyokushin craze the late 80s until the normalization of early 00s.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbvXzJ2j3Kc
>>265369already have that one, but there's a few clips from the IKO stuff I posted on youtube, so I was hoping someone had the full dvds, I actually ordered some off Japanese Ebay so I might rip them myself.
Cant get over over my mental block. I reached 8th kyu and kind of just stopped going. The longer i stay away the more i fear shame in going back. What keeps you going to the dojo week over week?
>>265955It's fun, I like everyone there, and people actually respect my commitment. I've spent most of my professional life having people talk down to me because they disrespect me, so having the new guys ask me for advice, help, and inspiration pushes me to improve myself so that I can continue to foster their growth. And I like hitting people.
How do i punch faster without losing power?
>>266209Point at something in front of you quickly. Repeat the motion with your finger tucked in/making a fist. You're now throwing a fast punch.Doing quick snap push-ups, throwing punches on a heavy bag wearing 16 oz. gloves, or shadow boxing with 1 lb. weights.Also look at this guy's technique in terms of keeping his hand loose. You don't need to ball your hand into a tight fist the whole time, you can wait.Timestamp 6:45https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhTwTfQrx5s
>>266221A key point of martial arts it being relaxed until you hit or act. My issue is im tense the entire time when practicing. How does one separate the fight from existing? Should one make that separation? Should i always be ready to fight
>>266228You can be ready to fight while still being relaxed.
What is the ideal style of karate to train?
>>266252The one you'll show up to the dojo for, week after week, month after month, year after year.
>>266252Goju :^)
>>266252Shotokan for long range sniping and blitzesKyokushin for close range swanging and bangingShinBoxingKan for defense against head punches
>>266252Shorin-ryu. Learn how to move through the world and only attack if you need to. Most practical style. >>266256
>>266209resistance bands, throwing/bouncing medicine balls, clap push ups like Beterbiev, PUSHING your fist into the wall for 30 seconds or more, reaction drill exercises like dropping a kettle bell and catching it as fast as you can. You want to build up the mind muscle connection so reaction based drills are probably your best bet, anything involving catching something or maybe stepping in and throwing a punch the moment your foot lands in the new position and then immediately stepping out. You almost want your fists to react to your feet hitting the ground.
>>266252Kyokushin at my dojo because we want more members cheers
>>266252I would say the best karate is taking as many elements as possible from multiple styles and constantly doing full contact sparring in mma/kickboxing/muay thai.Imo the best elements of each karate style are -Shotokan has the best tsukis and the blitzing step works even in high level boxing as it shortens the distance faster than most people can make.-shito ryu is the fastest karate, the bladed stance allows for fast sliding in and out and can be used to the sides aswell.-kyokushin makes you a tank and has the best kickboxing combinations.-seido/enshin/ashihara are all great for using angles and footwork -shidokan/kudo all well rounded with striking, takedowns and submission, best thing about this styles are the use of gi grips for dirty boxing, you can use wrestling grips for the same purpose Goju ryu- excellent for mixing strikes into takedowns from short range Uechi ryu- excellent for short contact striking and clinch fighting There's many other styles but these are the ones im most familiar with, that said whatever style you pick you need to do full contact sparring regularly along with whatever style you like.
>>266209There's multiple things to consider.-techniqueWhen striking faster is very easy to butcher your form to get to the end point faster, make sure your form is solid even if it means going a bit slower.Some punching form things to consider to hit hard are leg drive, pushing off your rear leg, weight shifting, elastic recoil, pushing your shoulder forward.Assuming it isn't your punching form then you can look into timing and precision, you can strike a bag by pushing it and when it moves to you then you strike it, then do the same in a double end bad to build precision and timing.Next is athletism.First there's relative strength which is how many times your bodyweight you can move, if you get stronger without gaining extra weight you will become faster and more powerful as well without doing anything else, of course not as fast and powerful as if you train those qualities directly but still.Power is the ability to express strength in a quick move, the speed of the move itself is not relevant here, as you might have noticed already if you move faster there is less power, this is because the more strength you try to produce the more time it takes and the faster you move the less time you have to produce force.To hit harder without being faster you need to move heavy weights as fast as possible like with oly lifts.Now for speed you need to move as fast as possible with as little resistance as possible, using very light weights and moving them as fast as possible, then shock plyometrics, there's slow stretch and fast stretch plyos, what these do is that it allows your tendons to store and redirect energy as fast as possible which means you can move and kick of the floor producing force with punching form faster.Note this is not as powerful as rfd/power but is exactly the thing you are asking.1/2
>>266454The absolute best approach is to train in ohases6, first strength, then power, then speed, always with very low volume and very high intensity but you can also train them all in a day using whatever gym split you prefer and do first plyos, then power and finish with strength.Now if you don't want to spend a lot of time on the gym you can focus on speed and plyos along with precision and timing, each individual shot won't be that hard but if you use counters and pick your shots you can still produce a lot of damage.If what you want is to cause as much damage as possible then focus on rfd and timing as well, each shot won't be that fast but you can still land and everytime you do it causes a lot of damage.If you pick speed you can use a more open form swinging your punches so your shots have more power but this leaves you exposed.If you pick power then using less telegraphed shots allows you to land more often but the shots are weaker so you need to be very strong and powerful.If you want both then you need to do all the steps i told you, punching form, precision and timing, train strength, power and speed and this will give you the most results and allow you to switch between speed and power as you see fit.
>>266252It depends on what you want out of it. Really, it's probably going to come down to whatever is available in your area that has a good instructor and curriculum. Let's say you want a style/dojo that's got a more practical self-defense application, it's still going come down to who you are facing when you have to apply what you've learned. It's like a game of rock, paper, scissors. Each style has something that will give you advantages over other styles but may also open you up to attacks in other areas.The elephant in the room, that is thankfully dying was the big emphasis on "going to the ground" and grappling that BJJ brought to the fore. Some dojos have added BJJ classes to fill in that gap. Or even incorporated some of it into their style like Kudo, which is Kyokushin and Judo. A lot of legit Karate dojos have chosen the unfortunate branding of "Krav Maga" to try to appeal to a more adult crowd.Some dojos have produced great fighters, but their lineage is murky at best. This is a bigger issue for America than other countries I think. And it may be a case of great artists being able to transcend whatever system's constraints they're put into.IMHO, depending on what options you have available: a good Boxing, Kickboxing/Muay Thai or Sanda gym are preferable to a McDojo. Likewise a shitty Boxing gym where you get your head stoved in, or a Muay Thai and Sanda gym that are shit are worse than a good Karate dojo.
Is it worth joining a JKA dojo? I don't know much about karate, and the guy running it appears to be 5th Dan.
>>266620One of the more prestigious Shotokan organizations. If you like the Shotokan style, which focuses more on long-range, you should get a pretty good education in that. Good organizations can still have bad dojos, so you'll still have to suss out if it's a good or bad one.
So I have an internal defibrillator and recently got told I couldn't join a school near me. I get it, it's their call, just feeling bummed about it. I've wanted to do karate since I was a kid, am cleared for strenuous physical activity (and do a decent bit of it as well, as well as train BJJ) and have a small guard for the device I can wear underneath a gi (that's barely visible). They said their organization doesn't allow chest protectors. I guess I'll stick with BJJ. Karate, seemingly, isn't for me.
>>266771Then lie to them or dont tell them. How in the world would you be less likely to have that shit knocked off in a grappling leg cuddling school? In what scenario does having a man rub all over you be less likely to murder you than practicing kata or tummy punching
>>266791Also that school is fucked. Every single dojo ive ever been part of has had at least one retard or cripple in their ranks. Shit, the dumb brock breakong garage dojo i joined in the 90s as a teen had a downie wheel chair MS as a fucking 6th kyu. A good school teaches people to work with what they got. If that dojo denied you theyre either not actually about self defense, or their insurance is crap, or you creeped on the female students.
I tried Okinawan Karate and after six months of consistent training I was no better at defending myself than when I started. Which wouldn't be as bad if they hadn't explicitly told me that it was for self defence.
>>266791Oh I don't wear it during BJJ. According to my cardiologist I'm not at high risk from chest-to-chest pressure (the unit and lead are tougher than most realize) and if I feel uncomfortable to just tap. Basically I just avoid getting taken down and sit to guard a lot (I know I know). I still have pretty intense rounds with the team. >>266792It was actually a JKA dojo that I emailed a little while back. I described my condition, mentioned I was cleared for strenuous physical activity, mentioned the chest guard, and they said they couldn't take me because they didn't wear chest protectors in their org.
>>266809Thats a damn shame anon. I hope you manage to find an alternative
>>266800How do you even measure that? What made you feel as though you gained nothing from it?
>>266800The problem with strictly self defense based arts is, usually, a lack of general sparring. I know I know, "people don't abide by rulesets in real life", but what sparring teaches is an ability to be composed under pressure. I'd take a boxer or nak muay who spar, even lightly once or twice a month, in a fight any day over literally any martial arts practitioner of comparable size who trains something without sparring. Knowing what it feels like to get hit, and becoming inured to the fear of being hit, are real and important skills in a fight.
>>266819I appreciate it. There's a Goju school nearish to me who I emailed not long after. They got back to me this morning and want me to come in for a class. Fingers crossed.
>>266820Having done other arts like boxing before, the trajectory of my skill I gained and the confidence borne of that was drastically worse. There's a certain point where you realise, "Hmm, these people aren't actually teaching me how to confidently defend myself. We're just practicing moves on people who don't fight back." Which additionally, no sparring. I was told only the higher grades were allowed to spar. I didn't really agree with the policy, but it also wasn't my dojo. So their house, their rules. Except those people didn't spar, either. I went to every weeknight class for over six months and never saw anybody spar even once. So there was no actual pressure testing of the overly complicated techniques they only practiced against training partners who were almost cooperating with you at that point.>>266821Exactly. And that was the background I had come from. I trained at a boxing gym for probably about 18 months or so before I tried karate. I never actually fought while I was training, but I sparred fairly regularly. Usually against guys in the gym who did actually fight, too. My skill and my confidence to deal with a person who was actually trying to hurt me improved significantly while training with those guys. With the karate dojo, it didn't really improve at all. There were BJJ classes held at a the dojo after karate, and I started doing those after I'd been going to karate for a few months. First night of BJJ you're basically sparring almost right away. I didn't learn much there because I wasn't there for long, but they probably instilled more confidence in me than the karate school ever did. And I probably did that for less than half the time of the karate.
>>266985Sounds like a shitty dojo then anon. Find one that has good insurance because that means they fight regularly. Find one that has a sensei who likes guns, and did full contact kumite in the 70s/80s and has a permanent injury as a result. Find one that isnt just a history lesson and that has summer cookouts with the dojo. You had one bad experience with 1 bad dojo. Now you know the red flags. What particular school was it? And dont say "i dont remember " because since you apparently spent six months doing it i would think you can recall which particular ryu it was, otherwise you might just be retarded
>>267023Okinawan Goju Ryu. There are no other dojos like that in my area. The rest are more like the crappy kickboxing variation styles of karate that a lot of places peddle. Which is fine, but just not what I'm after. I've found something else I'm more interested in now, anyway.
>>267043Goju is fucked on the knees. What alternative did you find
>>266800How good do you expect to be at golf if you only trained for six months?
Can someone please explain syeps 7 and 8 of tai kawashi (sabaki)
do you think you will be a karate master one day?
>>267068Probably going to go to a judo dojo across town. That or possibly a muay thai gym a little bit closer. Maybe try both and see which one I like more.
What is your view on weapons? Are they important to train? Why would they matter? When should someone start training with them? Yes obviously gun beats sword and no one walks around with a katana
>>267666They are cool to train even if you aren't training for Le self defense. Kobudo is typically taught separate from the empty hand stuff, but sometimes you can train both at the same time. I don't think there's any prerequisite to start learning weapons it's pretty much just when your teacher wants you to.
