Abstract art is art insofar as cultural institutions say that it's art.To create art is to create harmony. It is to demonstrate a relationship between the disparate elements of a thing by which those elements all accord with one another. This harmony is beauty.The way abstract art works is that the artists take a quite random jumble of things, and assert that they are in fact harmonious in some way. This is different than traditional art, which tries to make things actually visually harmonious; it's not creating harmony, it's ASSERTING harmony.Abstract art is inferior because it relies on the viewer knowing and caring about the assertion the artist makes regarding the beauty in the piece. Generally, abstract art has accomplished this by leveraging institutions (museums, galleries, magazines, etc) to give their assertion of beauty more impact. That's why abstraction didn't really take off until the CIA astroturfed it into existence, by the way. At any rate, once these institutions lose their cultural force, so to do the claims of the artists. If someone who had never heard of abstraction found a Pollock in the trash, he'd think it was some sort of test canvas. It's art that can only exist within a limited cultural context.This is distinct from art which is too intellectual for the average person to comprehend. Monet wanted to capture the particular character of light, and pursued that goal (showcasing the harmony of light without strict form) intelligently. An intelligent observer can decode Monet's work without knowing anything about Monet, and perceive that value.Pollocks work, on the other hand, cannot be decoded. Even if it does, as he alleged, create beauty by displaying his subconscious urges, those urges can't be detected by someone viewing the art. If he wrote a description of what he felt he had imparted in a particular painting, the reader would be as informed by the description alone as by the description combined with the painting.
>>7151899So surrealism is obsessed with the idea of the subconscious mind, in order to use that, they put together objects and scenes that make no logical sense together. Your brain forces a meaning on to it, but it thinks there must be a pattern there. This was called Automatism. Abstract expressionist did the same thing, but believe iconography (renegotiable subjects) distracted from Automatism, so they want your brain to have no bias to objects to get in the way of free association.
>>7151903would you consider Transformers, one of the best movies every? it made a billion dollars.When you blew off the "magic all powerful people" you made a new set of magic all powerful people, that are in control and are the reason the some people like the art you don't like.
>>7153101I have already addressed your transformers objection about elsewhere. Accessibility isn't the only category we can use to judge the quality of art. But art which is not accessible to literally anyone isn't meaningfully art. Look at a Pollock and tell me what it means. Compare it to what he says it means, then compare it to what a gallery says it means. You'll get three different answers. The artist isn't really doing anything.People who claim to like abstract art don't actually like it, they're just playing out a social convention. They're lying about the beauty they infer in it to avoid seeming artistically illiterate, because institutions told them the paintings were beautiful.
>>7153119Automatism is the idea that art isn't complete until its in a persons mind, The goal of an abstraction is to not explain what it means, so that each individual person free associates their own thoughts and emotion when looking at it. look at abstracts like you looked at clouds when you where young.also your ego is enormous to think no one can like something cause you don't
>>7153086>penis jokelmao
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Previous thread >>7075266If you're looking for a place to practice and post all sexual works, from pinups with exaggerated proportions to pornography, then this is the right general for you. Both Eastern and Western styles can coexist here.>Rules & Guidelines1) All forms of cartooning styles are welcome; submit and receive feedback from others.2) Please resize your images below 1000x1000 before posting.3) Share your knowledge, any tips are certainly welcome for all beginners.4) Do to not be afraid of asking for critique, please be specific on what help you need.5) Remember all GB3 related content such as LOLICON, SHOTACON, FURRY pornography, FURRY and BESTIALITY are banned on ALL boards, including red boards, except /b/ and /trash/. DO NOT post that content here.6) DO NOT reply to AI bait posts. Report and hide, then let the janitors and moderators deal with the problem.>Community Resources>>>/ic/courses>>>/ic/artbookComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7115900nah
>>7117278nice, very r.crumb
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>>7153476Thank you!
>>7151876i knew a girl with skin like that and i love it
Do you believe this is one of the major reasons as to why Dandadan looks significantly better than both CSM and JJK?Not to mention that he had all the time in the world to grind considering he only got his first serialization after a decade of being an assistant.
>>7152061Making that story in a succinct 1-2 page drawing or 4koma is a lot harder to do desu. I don't know how people continuously come up with ideas that arent just overdone or too corny
>over a decade's more worth of experience>has to settle for Jump+If anything this should prove that good art alone is not enough to make a good manga and shows why CSM and JJK are superior
>>7152072On most of the big sites, it's all the same jokes, just different presentation. Overdone doesn't really matter, overdone is what gives jokes meme status because everyone gets to be in on the joke. That's a plus.The comic I used as an example has at least 5 similar comics with exact same joke with similar numbers of upvotes right now.There's a new person who hasn't seen your joke yet every single day. There is no such thing as over done on the internet.Picrel.There's a charm in corny too.>>7152071People still disdain ai art. The story of ai art is "there is no human behind this, it's soulless". Most people refuse to engage with it unless they're facebook boomers.Still make your 4koma.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7152108>There's a new person who hasn't seen your joke yet every single day. There is no such thing as over done on the internet.>There's a charm in corny too.You're right, i dont know why I didnt reaize that its so obvious that the more people are in on it the better it is because they'll actually enjoy being a part of it.>People still disdain ai art. The story of ai art is >"there is no human behind this, it's soulless".I dont know how people can genuinely be okay with the idea of turning to AI for the creative works we consume. It feels so obvious it should be rejected.>but to also consistently practice writing, >communication and storytellingI know I fell in love with manga because of the combination of art and stories, but you're right as well I shouldn't neglect the storytelling because ultimately it's just as important if not more so even if I do enjoy the drawing side a lot more.
>>7152124>It feels so obvious it should be rejected.Same thing can be said for majority of popular ‘contents’ on the internet.Many, I mean MANY people right now are basically junkies who crave for endless waves of digital content that would distract them from their boring real life.E.g. people voluntarily fixate themselves on stream of shorter-than-a-minute, fast-paced videos for HOURS even though they are completely aware that those are some of the lowest-quality, least-time-worthy stuffs on the internet and frankly not that interested in their substance in the first place. They just like to be distracted.Generative AIs are basically perfect invention to exploit that massive, not-picky-at-all audiences. Yes, a piece of media would be much more interesting and engaging if they were made by a bunch of talented, real artists… But the promise of literally never ending stream of contents is too good to pass for those people.My humble advice for artists? Aim higher. Higher than constantly chugging out low-grade ‘contents’ to get people’s fleeting attention to get by on. Don’t drag yourself down to the same level as literal piece of softwares designed to exploit people’s poor choice of life style.
Do you find being hypercritical of your work useful in improving? Or is it a useless trait that should be phased out
nice detailed torax, not exagerated with AA-12 proportions, obviously cute girl with cute boobs too
>>7148718Normal criticism (I didn't flip the canvas, I forgot to add shading, I draw too many anime girls, I never draw anything new etc.) is valid.Hypercrit is fucking worthless and useless. It's brainworms and mental illness that leads you to self-sabotage or demoralization.
>>7148718That sort of mentality has its place when studying, but you're going to demoralize yourself if do it for every single drawing.
I dont crit myself because nothing I draw can be good, it just goes against the laws of physics. I aim for "good enough".
I hate everything I make and I hate seeing art so much. It's like a knife in my heart. I dont understand how to study or improve. I work at a fucking glacial pace. Any improvement I make is hard earned over years. I don't understand how everyone seemingly becomes a master in 2-3 years. I hope someday I'll feel less intensely towards familial obligations so that I may escape this torture with the only inheritence to my name (a Ruger P90 .45)
Why is anatomy so hard to learn? >Video courses that seem helpful are way too long>Art books full of rambling >Never feel like I'm understanding what I'm drawingDoes anyone have an absolute braindead guide to it? Something like 'anatomy for dummies' that isn't 5 hours long.
>>7151954the thing is, ass-wiping can and has been reinvented, with the bidet
>>7149550Watch nude pose videos by Ballerinas and Bodybuilders.
>>7149567Not OP, but what would you say is a good way to fast track improvement in this area? I'm at a point where doing basic shit like lines, elipses, boxes, etc. is braindead easy, but trying to move into even the most basic figure construction and it's real fucking hard to get my lines to go where I want them to, and there's lots of trial and error and erasing.
>>7152218been having the same issue and ppl said to just draw more and don't mindlessly copy do it with 100 % concentration while comparing the line to another line or angle or parallel like or half ratio etc etc so just do that i guess
>>7149550Skill issue anon. Smart people don't bother with school, so why should you bother with video courses, "how to draw" books, anatomy courses, etc? Learn by doing, not reading.
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>>7153573Wrong post?
>>7121414all my fountain pens are dry and don't work randomly 90% of the time even after cleaning them, get a new pen with ink, it doesn't work. Holy fuckkkk just fuck my shit up lmao
>>7155162How grimy is your room?
not sure if I can expect an answer here, but do you figure indian ink and graphite are safe for composting?basically I'm thinking about using all the paper waste I create for compost and I don't know if I'd be poisoning myself and/or the groundI figure paint is a nono because heavy metals, but I'm not sure about indian ink and pencils
>>7155529I mean the carbon itself is fine but I'm not sure about shellac or whatever else might be in there
>artist significantly less skilled than you has 5 times more followersIt hurts, ngl.I busted my ass grinding fundies yet some fag who draws like a toddler can get 30k followers from his scribbles.
>>7150671I draw box porn
>>7150572starting from 0 is the hardest, you need to follow artists and post art with tags of current trends so people see it, then they'll see your other work and like/retweet. It all snowballs but you gotta play the algorithm game when starting from 0.
>>7150734I like them when they're in five point perspective and non-consenting.
>>7150571You won't post your work, wojackfaggot.
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>make pencil drawing>do a clean trace of it with a pen and a lightpad>inevitably fuck it up because shakyhands and do multiple traces>scan onto my computer and combine the best parts of each in bw>print it back out on my (old monochrome, no glowie dots to ruin the artwork) laser printer at 1200dpi>color it in>scan it againAm I insane? I don't have an example to share because my characters are super secret but picrel is the printer
>>7153191Masamune Shirow got up to shit like this all the time.
>>7153194And now he draws BLACKED porn. Stop while you still can, OP.
>>7153191I do it all the time a few years ago, its just easier to draw on paper, and its easier to iterate when you do this.
>>7153198That's just the final destination of the porn coomer.
Could anime have formed in the west under the right circumstances? I've been looking into Tezuka's life, works, and influences, and it outside of the typically straight hair of most early anime characters, they could just as easily be identified as "western" character designs.I've also seen other western cartoons from the early-mid 20th century and some come in close proximity to anime but they just never quite got there. How was Tezuka able to hit the nail on the head? Do all templates for manga and anime really come from that one man? For example, the girl in Don Dracula or any of Tezuka's early cute designs I feel could have easily been created by a westerner, but I guess he got there first. That character doesn't look asian on her own, it seems only the cultural context makes people think of manga as Japanese.
>>7150268If you're talking about art style, there were and have been art styles very similar to different 'anime styles' before anime or manga ever became big (or a thing at all), but there could have never been a singular recognisable art style like there is with Japan - the west is just too individualistic in that regard.If you're talking about tone and topics - absolutely. America, in fact, had plenty of diverse interesting comics going on (as did Britain), but then there was a massive backlash and the comics code authority happened, basically causing the medium to become massively stunted. Animation is much the same story, though for quite differing reasons. Hopefully one day animation is treated as a medium, and not a genre.And finally, if you're talking about industry, then America was previously the big animation and comics country, and eventually (though perhaps not in our lifetimes) Japan too will fall and give way to some other country. No king reigns forever.
Totally organic discussion going on here fellow reptiles
To develop a 'superstyle' and subsequently a 'macrostyle' you only need to obey certain congenital psychological laws. When a society is strongly united (nationalism over globalism/multiculturalism) it is easier to share and replicate these discovered laws over the decades.This is why I advocate the development of a new creative approach called 'theoretical creativity'. I passionately believe that if we rigorously study these laws we can create something much more efficient than 'tezukism'. It would be like creating an axiomatic nuclear bomb to defeat practical gunpowder of random origin.
>>7150268>Could anime have formed in the west under the right circumstances? I've been looking into Tezuka's life, works, and influences, and it outside of the typically straight hair of most early anime characters, they could just as easily be identified as "western" character designs.considering anime style was originally influenced by disney, yeahanime style is essentially just characters with big eyeslots of classic pin up comics were designed in such a way lots of anime styles push that further by making the eyes even bigger and prettier and other facial features even more simple western styles didn't turn into anime because mostly capeshit became the only comics that could be sold for a long time. the reason why thats significant because capeshit fans will only go to comic book stores for acpae shit and eventually the audiences for that stuff have an expectation for how the art should look like
>>7150375>but there could have never been a singular recognisable art style like there is with Japan - the west is just too individualistic in that regard.Disney films are globally recognized just at a glance
Why does no one ever say that painting is a three dimensional felt thing in the same way that contour lines and perspective is felt?It finally clicked for me today as I was painting that I was sculpting three dimensional forms as I was painting and that it was painting. This whole time every teacher described painting more like fusing together 2D shapes until it magically looks 3D at some point
no one """feels""" form with lines either. They just pretend they do because Papa Vilppu gaslights you into it.
>>7152916You can't feel contour lines? How do you even draw?
See this is why everyone here says "just draw!!!" 90% of the time because when learning to draw you need to come to most of the conclusions on your own and you do it by gaining experience. Your teachers could guide you but they could never make it 'click' for you, you needed to get there yourself
I want to become someone akin to Joel Jurion, a comic artist who also draws a lot of sexy women. How does one practice efficiently to be that kind of artist?>just drawI do, but I feel like I'm not making much progress because I'm not doing anything structured or focused. Basically I need to have a process that guarantees improvement
>>7150524It's loli too. That's how I know him. He has a loli manga on his fanbox right now.
>>7152522Now that's a little b
>>7152522what is his fanbox?
JJ drew my characters onceproudest achievement ever in my smut career
>>7152581https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/118024725
What is the fastest way to become popular online in current year as an intermediate amateur artist with poor social skills? Even simply trying to reach 1k followers on twitter with SFW art is hard, though thus far I've only been drawing OCs.
>>7152895draw fan art and fotm
I just like making stuff
>>7149033Waste of paint.
looks like AI
>>7149671
>>7149033i like it :)you should try doing graffiti. feels like it could be a good medium for you>>7149671>>7149672what happened to this board. look at yourselves and ask if this is what you want to be. because you can be better
>>7152845pleaaaaaaaase please stop replying to bait
Why You Should Copy Anime:https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpgNaoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12AnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw**Strive for quantity AND quality.**Anime Studying:>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7153240Nigger killed the fucking lsg and now came here too>>7153379This avatarfagging troon manhating freak killed it with endless drama.>>7152949
>>7153384Proof?
I am not going to engage with you disgusting freak any longer. Fuck off.
>>7153384Yes, it's all me. Every thread I've posted in has been deleted. Don't piss me off or I'll dumpster this one too.
>>7153379>Why was it banned?because of people like you, that entertain this avatarfag's shenanigans.
