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>be me
>want to learn drawing
>no clue how to start
>no talent
>everyone is sucking off that Loomis fellow
>download "Fun with a Pencil"
>first exercise is literally the the old "draw a circle, draw the rest of the fucking owl" joke, except that faggot is being serious

Well, I tip my hat to you, you sure got me good.
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>>3484461
Look anon, the only reason why you are so butthurt about Loomis is because someone told you that you need to study more Loomis. They wouldn't have said that if your work looked actually good. Yes, you don't have to study Loomis, he's just one of many decent options, but you do need to do soemthign, because your art is fucking garbage and if even Loomis is too difficult for you, then you will never make it.
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>>3484461
>There's absolutely nothing special about Loomis, he is not the be all end all to art instructions

literally nobody says that he is. He's just a convenient choice to point beginner like you to because his books cover most of the fundamentals in a very easy to understand way. Why does that make you so angry? If someone told you to study Loomis, it simply means you lack the fundamentals, they don't actually care if you learn those from Loomis or from anywhere else, they just point out that you should learn them.
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>>3483475
Ughhh. ARRGH! Oh no! This Loomis dude is not cool... Eek! I just. Can't. Wrap. My. HEAD AROUND THIS!!! I AM GOING INSANE!!! I... I think I'm gonna kill myself...
*floats in air, dark spheres form in my palms*
Goodbye... Cruel world...
*blasts world away and dies*
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>>3484448
>Construction drawing
>Counterintuitive

The absolute AUDACITY of this nigger.
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>>3484461
Sure, Loomis and experienced artists can do that, but beginners can't. Telling a beginner to do that would literally be the "draw the rest of the owl" meme. That's what all that construction drawing stuff is for. After a certain point you get so good at doing it that you can merge several steps into one, but that construction drawing knowledge is still working in the background, in your mind. That's called proficiency.
Even then you'll sometimes need to block things out the old fashioned way to solve a tricky drawing problem, or revisited from time to time to sharpen your memory.

Honestly, you are extremely ignorant.

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Q&A thread

ask questions
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I have a question regarding dynamic sketching vehicles, especially when drawing with a side view

It seems like a lot of artists are just drawing a flat box, and breaking down that box into smaller sub boxes to draw their vehicle

I'm having trouble with that method in that sometimes the box just ends up being a bit long or shorter then it needs to be

Would it be viable instead split the vehicle I'm trying to draw into individual shapes, using the wheels to measure proportions and designate landmarks?
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>>3487050
The problem you get by drawing wheels first is that you make it way harder to get the general proportions of the vehicle because you don't have these big shapes to help you visualize the entire thing. Its like drawing a face by starting with the eyes or the mouth instead of the general shapes, its very counter intuitive and restrictive. The reason most artists start by drawing with big forms is that so they can visualize whatever they're drawing inside of it in its entirety.
The best would be to draw a box you think encompasses the shape of the vehicle you're trying to draw and narrow it down in more precise shapes and put landmarks as you detail wheels, the frame, etc., you can always enlarge it if it seems too tiny. You can't go wrong with the box method, just practice every day, experiment a bit with it and you will get better.
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>>3487093
I'm not really drawing the wheels; I'm more like using them as unit of measurement the same way you would use heads to measure when figure drawing
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how do i get a better workflow
i dont know how my backgrounds should look like
so i keep looking at them as they look now (shit unfinished) and i know they need work but i feel like the global image is wrong
any tips to fix this mental problem
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>>3461987
I've had the ctl480 for about 4 years now looking for a new tablet, should I just go with the ctl4100? Does anyone have any other recommendations?

Vent thread
Post what’s bothering you (art-related)

I’ll start:

I was making good progress over the past year but feel like I’ve hit a bump and can’t improve. I’m becoming increasingly more impatient and feeling like I’m NGMI.
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>>3486555
>Redlines u from behind x3
>*notices symbol drawing* Owo what's this..?

>>3486554
>Jealous
Wew lad
>>3486586
>"I want critique but I don't need to improve, also I want to sell my art ~(◡ω◡)"
WEW
E
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Wow, looks like I got a writing prompt for my vent! Thanks, anon!
I mean, where do I even start? Do you understand the purpose of 'critique'? Do you even know what it means? 'Critique' means "Hey guys, tell me what's wrong with my work and what I need to do to improve, because boy howdy am I some fresh hot garbage right now and I want to do better." Criticism does NOT mean "Give me buttpats and don't tell me I'm bad, it's my style and I have a bajillion-mcsquillion basic white girls and post-menopausal housewives following me on Instagram, so I'm already perfect UwU".

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>>3485145
I have forgotten how to teach myself to become better at drawing. I forgot how to grind since I have this need to "I want to draw this and I'll improve it this way.". I don't sketch unless it's on paper and I never use an eraser when I do so. I hate myself because of that and now I am stuck since the ideas I have in my mind are out of my reach and I can't make them real.
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>>3486555

Good job, Anon. I really like the way you painted the head. You're choice of colors are really nice and the small symbols throughout add a nice touch. Adding the flowers to the canvas really takes drawing in 3D to a whole different level, giving people the opportunity to actually feel the forms.

You don't need to change anything, Anon, nothing at all...
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>>3485145
I want to make a comic and ive been thinking of the way the story is gonna go and creating refrences for characters but i cant shake the feeling that ill never be able to see it through and get bored of making it or even make it at all.
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>>3485338
Quite similar but more with a visual library issue.
I feel like my visual library is decaying overtime and it's hard to come up with anything original.
Despite reading various novels, manga, comics and watching movies, tv series, anime etc. It's hard to come up with something without falling into some trope or artist copycat.

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I'm using Fireapalca atm, but I can't find how to make the brush strokes/lines opaque. Right now, the brush stroke is transparent and I wanna make it opaque, but I can't find how to do that. Can anyone help?
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>>3485481
Get job.
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>>3485187
It says watercolour on the left so that might be your problem. I don't use Krita but in SAI it would be "persistence" and in CSP it'd be something like "paint weight" or "paint opacity". Something having to do with how much paint is used or persisting
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>>3485481
> cost money
is Photoshop free?
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Thanks for all the help. I think I'll just try using Krita for now.
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>>3485187
Firealpaca is great for drawing but bad for painting. Use krita if you want free painting software.

>Sakimichan is a bad arti-
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>>3486954
Will never happen because the brainlets trying to copy can’t do it right because they lack sakimichans foundation in form and years of mastering her technique. Her anatomy isn’t realistic but it’s believable (as in you could believe it exists in some dimension) because she knows how to build form. I don’t think I’ve seen any copycat emulate that perfectly
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>>3485372
She's at the level of money where the normal rules are inverted and she can pick and choose to a crazy degree.

She can afford a harem of male models to pose for her and then some.
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gonna use sakimichan for master studies
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>>3486605

Are you the same faggot in the mullins value excercise thread who said specular highlights are "special effects"? Lol
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>>3486902
Not him, but I figured he simply meant commercial artists, like illustrators, concept artists, animators, art directors etc.

Hi /ic/ I recently lost all my reference files on dead laptop but was wondering what decent sites there are to find various poses pics I can use in meantime until I retrieve files. Thanks
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>>3486877
This is an relatively easy pose for me to work with. Im currently drawing some rough studies of this figure in charcoal, its easier than other nude male figure poses I have attempted at I have trouble with getting the torso and shoulders right. Im used to female figures so its a new challenge for me
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>>3484723
holy shiii. gold mine! thanks!
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>>3482773
oh wow didnt know this was a ylyl thread

last thread that was final >>3475786

>What is /ALT/?
If you're looking for a place to post your cartooning then you've found the right general. This is /ic/s 1st and only merged hub where both Eastern and Western stylization can coexist peacefully, hence the double title. However, by community demand and long history, this is favorably an Anime general.
>Rules & Guidelines
(1) Any form of cartooning is welcome; so submit and receive feedback from others. (2) Please resize your images before posting. (3) Share your knowledge and (4) Remember to not be afraid of asking for critique. Most importantly I encourage you to keep discussion at a civil level, but you're more than welcome to share your opinions.
>Where do I go to learn to draw Anime?
You can't. You have to be Japanese born.
>Can I ask again?
Try killing yourself to become Japanese.
------
>Community Resources
Hitokaku Index
>http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/
List of active livestreams

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>>3487001
:ghost:
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>>3486608
Thanks for the crit anon. Mind elaborating on
>along with the blur and a shadow in the shape of the stuff above
because I'm not really sure what you're trying to say there
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>>3487110
He means a cast shadow from the tree branches/flowers. By lens flare and blur he might mean light bloom.
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>>3487001
Faces seem better this time.
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>>3487113
Ah, something like in pic related?

Yeah, in retrospect, that would've looked nice. Oh well, I'll remember it for the future.

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Does anybody have a semi-skilled and dedicated study group discord I can join? Heard its the best way to improve and all I can find are aspiring animator and waifu drawing groups
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>>3485572
forget about these guys. Such discords are filled with normies and underage meme faggots who only talk about stale memes, e-celebs, plebbit tier muh anime waifu, and fortnite.
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>>3485842
PAID DISCORD I’ve heard it all, I’ll look into art lounge thanks. >>3486016
I wonder why most people gate keep there little communities , seems like a elitist attitude
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>>3486276
Because open borders is a retarded idea. You need to maintain your culture and only bring in quality people who fit in.
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say, what the heck happened to the Draw Party discord?
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>>3485572
Used to be a gains discord for /ic, where you would have to post every week or be kicked. I think its gone now though, i posted progress and was kicked anyway this week. Mustn't have been enough people posting or something, if anyone knows what happened to that discord, do tell.

I would recommend creating a discord like that, where you drive people to study each week by making them make the commitment to draw each week. If they can't make the commitment then they get kicked

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Ho, ic! first time poster, i've been working on some wood burning recently, I want to improve, and depart this plateau I've been on.
feel free to tell me the good, but please feel free to be brutal and honest, what do i suck at, what do i need to improve?
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>>3487046
dude..
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>>3487049
yeah tell me about.

Fucking end this horseshit already. Even if it means beginning something new, at least let me fucking do something.
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>>3487055
you think i should burn this medium to the ground to pursue something real?
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How to get faster at painting? I'm very embarrassed to say this took hours to get to pic's point, (and I'm still working on it) but in my defense this is the third time I've ever tried to paint something. And while you're at it, roast me with directions on how to improve, would appreciate. Away from reference atm.
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>>3486876
Yeah I sketched it first, it's on the top layer
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>>3486975
(hidden tho, so I could screenshot what I'm getting at)
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>>3486537
Dem layers name are gay son
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>>3487080
Umm homosexuality is a sin
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>>3486868
Ya maybe with that attitude

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Post your desks/studios.

Pic related is mine.
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>>3486089
What do you recommend then? I don't think I can justify $500 for a gamer chair. Plus the Ikea one has so many good reviews
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Anyone use an Ergotron? What's a good versatile model to buy?
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>>3486731
What’s a good monitor to buy?
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>>3485601
I had one like this, hurt my fucking back. Don't.
>>3486536
Had one of those too, for 2 days. If you live in a place where the weather is hot, forget about it.
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>>3486733
Just did a bit more research. Looks like I want the Ergotron LX desk mount single monitor.

But it also looks like I'll have to make a DIY bracket for it to rest my Surface Pro on

Old Thread: >>3413843

Immortalize your girl in your portfolio, and at:
http://tower-girls.booru.org/

Post-free dice rolling tool:
https://www.random.org/

Book Mobile: https://mega.nz/#F!es1BSKQR!spODyd0iaQmMelGA2GscFw
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>>3481586
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>>3466846
>>3468138
how do u know i didnt give her a penis under the dress?
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ok!
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rolling
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>>3484468

Is the perspective in the top panel fucked? I’ve been looking at it and flipping my canvas and it feels like somethings wrong but I can’t figure it out.
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>>3484108
I’m not liking the line weight. You basically just outlined the guy’s silhouette
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>>3484173
>>3484189

Thanks this is great. I'll definitely be fixing this stuff. You know, /ic/ is a pretty cool guy sometimes, not everyone is a crab.
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>>3484108
The wall is much too big is it supposed to be far, or just behind?
The guy pouring gasoline on the right is too big-i don't know what's that under-supposed to be a head from the back?
It is weird because seems he's really tall.
The guy at the back too-the gasoline pouring guy on the left.
The perspective is fucked because the depth is fucked.
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>>3484108
To add the fence and the left guy is too front up-it's really near the viewer-the scenes are behind, but it feels disjointed.
And the proportions of the girl on the bottom panel-the foot is off
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>>3487068
Sorry I meant leg

Where is a good place to find side work of doing comic flats and how do you make a portfolio of flats to show you can do them correctly if you dont make lineart yourself?
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You’ll probably have to do more than that to land a job like that. Even though the job itself literally sounds like you do coloring books for a living which is retarded
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>>3486958
Show me a comic book with flat colors.
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>>3486958
Digitalwebbing, Gutterzombie and Penciljack used to be the goto places for that, perhaps Boardgamegeek has something in that line of work but they're a good place to start before messaging people more directly on DA.
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>>3486958
I used to be a colorist for a indie studio, that deals with printed comic books, and ooh booiii, I gotta say. I didn't like it, but at least I got a chance to try it. But, If you really want to be a colorist for comic books, ya gotta know a ton about color, light, relativity etc. I suggest you start studying as early as know, cause you're required to know the science of how color and light work. Good luck OP!

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Am I using my small wacom correctly? I always try to go for long strokes but it still only uses 10% of the tablet it seems like
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>>3486491
Seriously? You people keep shitposting about other artists, ranting about your precious feelings, and just being in general useless walking waste of resources on this world but nobody can answer this simple question?

No wonder this board is a joke by anyone serious about drawing.
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>>3486491
tone down the speed setting then? It automatically does some weird tablet magic where the small size is upscaled to the size of your monitor so thats why its pretty fast by default. Personally I like it at its speed, if you miss your stroke, just ctrl-z.
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>>3486491
The only thing that matters tablet wise is grip. Caring about stroke length is autistic, just do what feels comfortable
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>>3487032
I only browse here for the shitpost, artbooks as well as random anons posting premium tutorial link. Other than that this board is bad, especially with the anon crabs posting replies.

But if you really want to improve your art, and get accurate feedback/C&C. Welp, art forums, and moderated fb art groups are your best bet. A majority of people here are in it for the anonymity to say good and bad things about a artwork.



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